At least FIVE major things wong with finale - any more?, Things wrong - like why didn't Peter just cary a knife to stab hi Options

[Rick_R]

Several things really bothered me about the finale...

1) Claire and Peter both know about their 'Achilles heel' - a stab to the back of the neck - (and I'm sure they would have told others about it). This apparently knocks them out until the object is removed. Why didn't Peter just carry around a knife and jab himself
with it? Or even have someone else do it if he couldn't muster the
courage.

2) Also what was Claire trying to do shooting him from that angle?
And why were Claire and Peter acting like it was a big deal if he was shot?
Peter can heal and they all knew it. Also, shooting him in the chest might not have done anything since he might have instantly healed quickly and gone back to his explosion routine. She would have had to shoot him in the neck to make it be guaranteed.

3) Sylar saw Hiro coming and didn't even do anything! That was just dumb, considering every other time they've encountered each other, Sylar managed to do something.

4) The illusionist chick should have faded into her fat self not the skinny illusion she was using. When Niki/Jessica knocked her out, the rest of the illusion faded so they should have shown her in real form lying there on the floor as well.

5) Also why didn't Peter just fly away himself after Nathan gave him the idea? Why did he even Nathan? (The only possibility there is maybe you can't really use another power while another one is active, which would explain Peter's limitation - but if that was the case, they should have mentioned that in one of the episodes.)

[Cloud_Strife]

the finale was alot of ******** plain and simple it felt more like a filler then what we have all been waiting for i got a suggestion for who to kill off in season two......the writers

Reason for edit: launguage

[IamPeterPettrell...]

All the same problems I saw. No good explainations, or at least truly logical ones. Bottom Line: IMO they could have done much better and failed.

[Rick_R]

the finale was alot of ******** plain and simple it felt more like a filler then what we have all been waiting for i got a suggestion for who to kill off in season two......the writers

Has anyone heard any commentary by the writers on the ending? Were they rushed? Out of budget? Sleeping?

[Kaisar]

Several things really bothered me about the finale...

1) Claire and Peter both know about their 'Achilles heel' - a stab to the back of the neck - (and I'm sure they would have told others about it). This apparently knocks them out until the object is removed. Why didn't Peter just carry around a knife and jab himself
with it? Or even have someone else do it if he couldn't muster the
courage.

1) Stabbing him or shoothing him in the heart even, i dunno... was wondering that myself as well

2) Also what was Claire trying to do shooting him from that angle?
And why were Claire and Peter acting like it was a big deal if he was shot?
Peter can heal and they all knew it. Also, shooting him in the chest might not have done anything since he might have instantly healed quickly and gone back to his explosion routine. She would have had to shoot him in the neck to make it be guaranteed.

2) Bullet ricocheting in ur head, not good! Brain completly smushed is something else than having a small part be broken. the powers from the Heroes come from the brain, so it must remain at least partially intact to maintain their powers.

3) Sylar saw Hiro coming and didn't even do anything! That was just dumb, considering every other time they've encountered each other, Sylar managed to do something.

3) Hiro can stop time, who says he didn't stop or gravely slow down time there?

4) The illusionist chick should have faded into her fat self not the skinny illusion she was using. When Niki/Jessica knocked her out, the rest of the illusion faded so they should have shown her in real form lying there on the floor as well.

4) True, but could be explained very simply! This is her true form? She hinted that she IS or WAS fat and not accepted by 'people', it could be that she WAS a fatty!

5) Also why didn't Peter just fly away himself after Nathan gave him the idea? Why did he even Nathan? (The only possibility there is maybe you can't really use another power while another one is active, which would explain Peter's limitation - but if that was the case, they should have mentioned that in one of the episodes.)

5) He had a hard enough time controlling his Induced Radiation, controlling flight could've released his control on the nucleair powers thus setting them off rapidly. He couldn't take the risk i reckon

[gourry187]

The only thing 'missing' if you will is the resulting EMP from the nuclear explosion in the atmosphere. I can overlook that.

[President Sylar]

Several things really bothered me about the finale...

1) Claire and Peter both know about their 'Achilles heel' - a stab to the back of the neck - (and I'm sure they would have told others about it). This apparently knocks them out until the object is removed. Why didn't Peter just carry around a knife and jab himself
with it? Or even have someone else do it if he couldn't muster the
courage.

2) Also what was Claire trying to do shooting him from that angle?
And why were Claire and Peter acting like it was a big deal if he was shot?
Peter can heal and they all knew it. Also, shooting him in the chest might not have done anything since he might have instantly healed quickly and gone back to his explosion routine. She would have had to shoot him in the neck to make it be guaranteed.

3) Sylar saw Hiro coming and didn't even do anything! That was just dumb, considering every other time they've encountered each other, Sylar managed to do something.

4) The illusionist chick should have faded into her fat self not the skinny illusion she was using. When Niki/Jessica knocked her out, the rest of the illusion faded so they should have shown her in real form lying there on the floor as well.

5) Also why didn't Peter just fly away himself after Nathan gave him the idea? Why did he even Nathan? (The only possibility there is maybe you can't really use another power while another one is active, which would explain Peter's limitation - but if that was the case, they should have mentioned that in one of the episodes.)

1) they don't know if he would still blow up or not, and it has to be perfectly wedged in

2) If his brain is destroyed, he dies

3) He was suprised, preoccupied, and was confident he wasn't a threat

4) You don't even know if she is fat, it is just a theory you had and you are mad it didn't come true

5) It would be hard to do at the same time, it would be like running when you have to go to the bathroom, it is bound to come out (sorry its the only thing I could think of as a good comparison)

[Kaisar]

The only thing 'missing' if you will is the resulting EMP from the nuclear explosion in the atmosphere. I can overlook that.

We dunno the power of the explosion nor the length to which the blastwave travelled. In the future it shows more than half of Manhatten NYC being blown up... now i don't know the radius but he'd have to fly REALLY high for the EMP/Nucleair Blastwave to NOT hit the city what so ever... but then again, if the story says they flew high enough to avoid any damage, than that's that. 30 miles into the air should work pretty well!

[JohnnyO]

Several things really bothered me about the finale...
3) Sylar saw Hiro coming and didn't even do anything! That was just dumb, considering every other time they've encountered each other, Sylar managed to do something.

4) The illusionist chick should have faded into her fat self not the skinny illusion she was using. When Niki/Jessica knocked her out, the rest of the illusion faded so they should have shown her in real form lying there on the floor as well.

3) I knew this would come up today. Remember that the title "Heroes" is tongue-in-cheek. These are all oridnary, insecure people who are just trying to deal with their abilities. Remember that Sylar had just seen Issac's comic book where Hiro stabs him. Knowing how insecure Sylar is, it is totally within character for him to freeze and accept Isaac's inevitable prophecy, especially since Sylar never wanted to blow up in the first place.

4) I have not seen it established in the show that Candace's true self is fat, only the speculation on these boards (unless there is another source I am missing.) My conclusion from watching the show is that the skinny Candace is her true form. It is possible that her "fat" claims are just another common everyday insecurity of a "Hero".

[IamPeterPettrell...]

1) they don't know if he would still blow up or not, and it has to be perfectly wedged in

2) If his brain is destroyed, he dies

3) He was suprised, preoccupied, and was confident he wasn't a threat

4) You don't even know if she is fat, it is just a theory you had and you are mad it didn't come true

5) It would be hard to do at the same time, it would be like running when you have to go to the bathroom, it is bound to come out (sorry its the only thing I could think of as a good comparison)

Not sure about number 2, destroyed is a hard word to desribe, if the huge log in Claire's head and the big piece of glass in Peter's did not "destroy" their brains I dont know what can.

[cold]

I agree with the list, especially about Peter not flying away by himself, and healing himself if Claire shot him. I also thought the fight scene with Sylar was lame. Like you said about him not stopping Hiro.

I thought Sylar and Peter would really be going at it . For months I was picturing this finale. I thought Peter would be the only one who could match Sylar, since they both can absorb other people's powers. Yet, there was no fight. Then with other heroes there I thought, well this could be interesting. Nicki got in there for a swing, then Hiro showed up. It could have been all of them standing up together to fight Sylar, like real superhero stuff (minus the capes and tights.)

Also, someone explain to me why Nathan said, " You saved the cheerleader, so we could save the world." What was her importance again? I remember she saved Ted when he was at their house. I'm thinking that was actually a mistake.

The illusionist was fat?

And the beginning of the second chapter?? Now they (or at least Hiro) will be fighting bad guys in history?? Time travel is tricky and can get a story out of control in a hurry. What's next they'll be told if they don't personally go back to WWII to beat the tar out of Hitler, he'll really rule the world?

[broke]

Several things really bothered me about the finale...

1) Claire and Peter both know about their 'Achilles heel' - a stab to the back of the neck - (and I'm sure they would have told others about it). This apparently knocks them out until the object is removed. Why didn't Peter just carry around a knife and jab himself
with it? Or even have someone else do it if he couldn't muster the
courage.

2) Also what was Claire trying to do shooting him from that angle?
And why were Claire and Peter acting like it was a big deal if he was shot?
Peter can heal and they all knew it. Also, shooting him in the chest might not have done anything since he might have instantly healed quickly and gone back to his explosion routine. She would have had to shoot him in the neck to make it be guaranteed.

3) Sylar saw Hiro coming and didn't even do anything! That was just dumb, considering every other time they've encountered each other, Sylar managed to do something.

4) The illusionist chick should have faded into her fat self not the skinny illusion she was using. When Niki/Jessica knocked her out, the rest of the illusion faded so they should have shown her in real form lying there on the floor as well.

5) Also why didn't Peter just fly away himself after Nathan gave him the idea? Why did he even Nathan? (The only possibility there is maybe you can't really use another power while another one is active, which would explain Peter's limitation - but if that was the case, they should have mentioned that in one of the episodes.)

6)

Why didn't Hiro just stop time when he was facing Sylar with Ando pressed against the wall? Sylar seriously thinks he can kill Ando before Hiro and stop time? Hiro teleports twice which takes much more time than stopping time once. He could have stopped time, killed Sylar, and freed his friend.

7)

Niki was easily defeating Sylar and was told that her husband needed her? What was with that? "Your husband is bleeding to death, and he needs you to use your super strength to..." What? Did she tie his bones into a knot to create a tourniquet?

You certainly don't remove your most powerful hero who is doing the most damage from the battle at that moment in time.

8)

Why did Peter punch Sylar instead of using his powers on him? Why not stop time and then beat him to a pulp?

9)

If you're Claire's dad, why not just use the Hatian against Sylar? Why not use him to disable Sylar's powers while you shoot him?

Re 1 & 2: My real problem with Claire pointing the gun at Peter with him facing her is that it would not have accomplished their goal. It appeared as if Peter was not really serious about stopping the threat. He was on his knees with his back partially to her at first, then he stood to face her.

Re 4: I completely agree that the illusionist should have become a more average looking person after losing control of her powers.

Re: 5: I agree, why didn't Peter fly away instead of making his brother sacrifice his life to save him? Why didn't he just teleport to the middle of the dessert? We already knew from earlier in the episode he could use two powers at once. He time traveled while being invisible to the roof of the loft with no problems.

I am sure there were even more issues with the show that we have just forgotten. The writing has really gotten bad the past 4 to 5 episodes. I think the original episodes were well done, but someone who is now on the writing staff is destroying the show.

Including time travel in any bit of science fiction always destroys the plot. It always raises the question, "Why not time travel five minutes earlier and kill the enemy? Why not travel back in time several times, creating clones of yourself, and fight with an army of yourselves?"

Arghghgh

[Rick_R]

1) they don't know if he would still blow up or not, and it has to be perfectly wedged in

That doesn't make sense. In a previous episode Peter told Claire to shoot him if things went badly. Mr Bennet as well thought he might have to shoot him. So they oviously 'thought' it might work without him blowing up. Second, what makes you think it has to be "perfectly" wedged in? Claire's incident and Sylar's glass shard into Peter I doubt were exactly in the same place. At least it would have been worth a shot to try the neck thing first? Heck, they might have even tried to practice it a few times to see how it worked. If they missed the spot, they'd simply heal up. Seems like an important thing to practice to me.

2) If his brain is destroyed, he dies

You sure about that? I doubt a single bullet would be enough to destroy his entire brain to the point that he couldn't heal up.

3) He was suprised, preoccupied, and was confident he wasn't a threat

How did he look suprised or preoccupied? That's what bothered me. Sylar seemed more preoccupied in other scenes where he managed to just fine use his telekinesis. He stopped the cop's bullets in a fraction of a second - but he couldn't stop the sword? To the other poster, that mentioned that Hiro must have froze time - that's BS because every time they have had him freeze time they 'showed' it frozen - it's silly for us to make that assumption considering they never showed it being done that way previously.

4) You don't even know if she is fat, it is just a theory you had and you are mad it didn't come true

Ok it's "possible" that she was no longer fat - BUT that totally goes contrary to what they were portraying with her words and actions. They showed here eating all the time - an indication she loved to eat and was probably fat. Her dialog with Micah on the couch showed her distraught over her real appearance and why she turned to Linderman. True, she might not still be fat but it doesn't seem to fit. Overall, I wouldn't be the upset if I was wrong here and this one scene alone wasn't a big deal.

5) It would be hard to do at the same time, it would be like running when you have to go to the bathroom, it is bound to come out (sorry its the only thing I could think of as a good comparison)

Right, that could be a possibility. I think it might difficult for him to concentrate on other abilities while this explosion thing was in the making. I could see that, so this point doesn't have me that bothered.

Not related to plot problems, I'm also upset that they didn't show Peter and Sylar fight some. At least have something... maybe have them both invisible for a bit, but Sylar able to hear him so he gets a good wack on Peter, but peter heals up, etc. Then maybe while they are fighting and he's distracted THEN have Hiro get him.

[Itsgood2bebadd]

Another thing wrong with the finale is that when all of this was going on there were no civilians walking on the street. Its NYC!! Cmon! Then when its over, All of a sudden, cops come and its this aftermath commotion. That was stupid how no one was there...not even the usual homeless person walking the streets at 3am.....I dunno what time it was when it happened but still...

[JohnnyO]

It could have been all of them standing up together to fight Sylar, like real superhero stuff (minus the capes and tights.)

Except they are not really Heroes! None of them are! That is the whole point of the show! "Ordinary people discovering they have extraordinary abilities." The show's gimmick is to show ordinary, insecure humans dealing with superpowers. These are not justice league types. (That angle has been done to death.) Don't forget what show you are watching.

[JohnnyO]

Another thing wrong with the finale is that when all of this was going on there were no civilians walking on the street. Its NYC!! Cmon! Then when its over, All of a sudden, cops come and its this aftermath commotion. That was stupid how no one was there...not even the usual homeless person walking the streets at 3am.....I dunno what time it was when it happened but still...

Great observation! This is what makes the show so unrealistic. (not the TK, time travel, flying, mindreading, etc.) LOL

[Dalghryn]

Great observation! This is what makes the show so unrealistic. (not the TK, time travel, flying, mindreading, etc.) LOL

Oh. My. God. Nitpick much?

I'm really very articulate, but I'm reading through all this claptrap and just going nuts. For all the time and effort folks are putting into picking stuff apart, they could invest the same time and effort into coming up with quite plausible reasons why the issue they're getting aneurisms over works - and enjoy the frappin' show.

For example:

Why didn't Peter just fly himself away? Hm... Let's say you're concentrating on walking a tight rope. Now, let's toss in juggling, chewing gum, and reciting the Gettysburg address. Maybe you can do each of these things by themselves if you concentrate on them, but until you practice them all at once, you can't possibly do them all together - especially when you're really not all that great at walking the tightrope, yet. Now substitute being a nuclear man, using TK and flying. Same difference.

Would you like me to do this with every complaint? Throw them at me. I suggest you use your own imagination and do it yourself, though. Help yourself enjoy the show instead of finding reasons not to. You can do it. You watch HEROES, for Heaven's sake. You wouldn't be doing that if you didn't have some kind of imagination and willingness to suspend disbelief.

[Itsgood2bebadd]

I hope you arent saying IM nitpicking...The streets were empty. Totally unbelievable while taking place in NYC.

[Dalghryn]

I hope you arent saying IM nitpicking...The streets were empty. Totally unbelievable while taking place in NYC.

Hm... I'm assuming you've been to NYC. Even if the square had been crowded to start off with (and I've seen parts of NYC that weren't packed with humanity, even parts that you might expect to be), gunshots and people flying through the air and smashing into buildings would tend to send crowds running the other direction. Try going to Times Square and popping off a few rounds sometime.

With the focus of the action on the heroes/villain, the few people that are still hanging aren't going to get a lot of camera time. If they did, people would complain elsewhere in these boards about how the director wasted time on the crowds when he could have been showing more action.

It still seems to me people spend way too much time finding something wrong when they could be making it plausible. But, that's obviously just my opinion. I prefer to find ways to enjoy. Others prefer to find ways not to. To each his or her own, I guess.

[rezi_arnez]

HOW CAN YOU FORGET THAT WHEN THEY ALREADY TOUCHED IT ONCE WITH THE PARKMAN HRG TED ESCAPE FROM PRIMATECH .IF THEY REMEMBERED IT ONCE WHY WOULD THEY FORGET IT THE SECOND TIME.THEY DIDNT FORGET IT .NATHAN AND PETER WERE TO HIGH FOR IT TO BE A FACTOR.ALMOST AS HIGH AS I WAS WATCHING THE FINALE LAST NIGHT

The only thing 'missing' if you will is the resulting EMP from the nuclear explosion in the atmosphere. I can overlook that.