first off ethan woudl have never took teresa to court for custody of jane if she would have just dropped the charges against gwen, ethan begged her to stop the fued and she wouldnt, all she coudl think about was putting gwen in jail and then when ethan became lonley he would come back to her, ethan told her he would sue for custody of THEIR DAUGHTER, if she didnt stop but NO, ethan was more important to her than jane, so ehtan gets gwen cleard and takes teresa to court for jane, teresa actd like a DAMN LUNATIC, no wonder the judge awarded custody to ethan, she was screaming and hollering at the judge and attacked gwen in front of the judge, he found teresa in contempt of court and gwen asked the court graciously to not lock her up, teresa lost custody all on her own gwen didnt make her act like a jelouse bi##c in court, instead of acting like a desperate mom trying to get her baby, she acted crazy like always and now shes paying for it

why cant teresa fans admitt her behavior in the court was unnaceptable and she lost jane on her own! teresa fans are delusional, teresa was warned to let things die down but she wouldnt so ethan sued for custody of THEIR CHILD and ethan won custody of HIS DAUGHTER, how is that so wrong

It's clear that you aren't a Theresa fan right? So why is Theresa the main topic of all your discussions?

And all that stopping the feud crap is a bunch of bs! Gwen is a vindictive [censored] and would have continued to come after Theresa! Not to mention she's as crazy as they come, so I see why Theresa took her to court!

And she took her to court knowing full well that Ethan was going to seek custody. She just once again THOUGH she would win!...But her GAMBLE backfired and she lost! then acted like a child having a tamtrume and attached Gwen in Court!

What if it was you would you just let Gwen almost kill you and run off with your baby and not do any thing. All I know if it was me I would fight for my kids to.

The whole court scene was just ridiculous because it's not even Theresa that has to press charges. The DA's office would have pressed the charges not only for attempted murder but for kidnapping a child. But that storyline again wasn't written the correct way. The court system in Harmony sucks and is stupid!

Everyone thought that Theresa was evil by using Gwen/Ethan's baby as a pawn to get Lil E back, but Ethan was doing the same thing as Theresa by using Jane as a pawn to get the charges against Gwen dropped. Besides, the custody is only temporary and I hope that Theresa gets Jane back. And to answer someone's question about the way Theresa acted in court...of course she shouldn't have acted like that, but she was upset. I would have been upset to if the woman who tried to kill me and who kidnapped my child was set free. And Theresa fans know when to say Theresa is wrong and we call her on her [censored].

I agree. Gwen would still try to get rid of Theresa no matter what. I want to see Gwen lose everything!! And Ribecca!!!!

I used to feel sorry for theresa after Gwen and Rebecca sent that email about Ethan, but sinced that happened shes been on a downward spiral and anything that has happened to her is HER own fault

This whole T/E/G Thing needs to stop for i think that both of T's kids are E and Gwen knows that e heart belongs to t and is furiated about it so that is why she is mlking this as much as she can i think that eathen should get with the program and realize that gwen is at fault here and i also think when the paternity thing comes at ( & i hope soon) ivy will have a total change of heart about T.

and as for sam and ivy well i know ivy was rong for the way she took him but i never realy likes grace anyway i found she was to good to be true same for charity

and i do miss timmy as well

as for sheridan and louis well i hope he aint dead after all and comes back along with marty

mr. walice well i thought she was funny i hadet to see her surf out of harmony i though she was putting tabby in her place

kay and fox belong together and i hope andora does something to help that along

i would also like to see rebeca's secret about poisoning eve come out and get sent away so eve can finally be with julian

and mabey liz can have TC although i am not sure if i like them together or not yet?

well that is my theroy and i would like to see that red fingernails lady is rachael as i expect it to be and kill al to relieve t from him! and i would like to see t have all the power so she can send rebeca and gwen packing i think that would be hilarious!

Thanks, that was great. This bytch never shuts up she is always running her mouth.

Theresa had every right to press charges on that kidnapping psycho. It wasn't Theresa gambling with Jane, it was Ethan playing let's make a deal. He wanted to give Gwen a baby to make up for the one she lost, all on her own. Gwen wants Theresa's children because she is obsessed with her and wants what Theresa has. Problem with that is that Gwen may have her child and Ethan, but Theresa has what counts. Jane will never be Gwen's and she will never really have Ethan's heart. While I think Ethan is a [censored] if he had a choice with no strings attached he would pick Theresa everytime. Gwen may win the battles, but she will never win the war, she's just too pathetic to see that.

Lets be realistic here and realize that the real reason Teresa lost her daughter is because Ethan unrealistically requested that Teresa not press charges against someone who tried to murder her twice. As an American citizen she has that right...and people don't lose their children over it. Ethan was talked into taking Teresa to court by Gwen and Rebecca and on this show (and it's obviously a JOKE) Ethan is a "brilliant lawyer" (He sure showed his stuff during the Eve trial didn't he! LOL) Yes, I agree Teresa acted like an insane asylum patient during the trial, doing anything and everything to prove to the judge that it was right to award Jane to Ethan....however it is Ethan's fault that Jane was taken away from her. Ethan "loves" Teresa supposedly, but has the worst way of showing it. He is a pushover...I am not a Gwen fan or a Teresa fan. At this point they both get on my nerves, I'm extremely tired of this storyline and have been watching since the beginning. Ethan needs to pick one of them and stick with it, or for the love of God JER needs to let Teresa just move on. I can't deal with another six years of Teresa fighting for Ethwit.

PERFECTLY SAID

the only reason gwen didn't press charges is so she looked good to ethen. she knew that if she pressed charges ethen would be mad at her just like he was teresa for prusuing the charges against gwen!

Lol, I didn't notice!

What could Gwen have pressed charges for anyways and who would she have filed them against?

that's right i'll do the same

ethan needs to leave gwen and go back with teresa or please fix teresa up with another man iam tired of this storyline too. but my favorite character is teresa,kay,whitney

also just give jane back to teresa so this could be all over, and ethan needs to stop being a pushover he needs to stand up to his wife and mother in law.and tell his wife gwen that he really loves teresa and get a divorce,because he only married her because she was having his baby,and that is not love , like how he fell for teresa,gwen is a butt for being with him

I agree. She's trying her hardest to make Gwen a saint, well the bi*** ain't! She doesn't realize that every time she tries to prove this, Theresa fans come up with a counter example

Gwen will get what is coming to her one day. she doesn't deserve to have jane, and ethan is just too blind to see how horrible she really is. he, also tho, is no better than her, because he was only with her out of pity. he just needs to face up to theresa and his feelings for her. theresa shouldn't have acted the way she did in court though, and if she would have beed better about it, she would still have jane.

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I am a Theresa fan and I can admit that she lost her baby because of her stupid actions in court. BUT Gwen is a phyco, and has a pathalogical hatred for Theresa, and if she didnt take Jane from T that time, it would have only been a little while before her and her mother had a brainstorm on how to get her away from T. Remeber little E! The way I see it Gwen fans are dilusional! Sence we are resorting to name calling!

At least Theresa only wanted Gwen in jail. Gwen and Rebecca want Theresa to get the death sentence for trying to kill Alistair.

I think that is the reason why Theresa hasn't pushed the subject of getting Jane back in a while. Or when at the breakfast table before Luis's funeral Theresa didn't fight back when Gwen said "there's my girl" when she was handed Jane. At least I hope that Theresa realizes as long as she is married to Al, that Jane is safer with her father, even if it means she is with Gwen. She still points out to Gwen that she is Janes mother, but hasn't fought to get her back since her wedding to AL.

Yeah but you still just sound crazy...GWEN IS AN ATTEMPTED MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And not just bad folks like T, but she tried to kill decent people...whitney, pilar, and T! I bet youre one of those people who would let Michael Jackson babysit your kids. shaking my head...boy you can give someone the facts but you sure cant make em read

Piont is GWEN is the reason she lost the baby not Theresa and Theresa wouldn't be acting like a luntic if Gwen hadn't done what she did. If i were Theresa i would have killed gwen and Rebacca when they took her son. It's time Gwen finally realize that Ethan loves Theresa and not her. I think the only reason Ethan is with Gwen is out of pity.I think Gwen is a Bi***.

[quote] no information would have been available to send to the tbloid if teresa wasnt being nosey downloading personal letters belonging to ivy addressed to sam, why did she have to download the papers, reading them would h ave been enough for me, but not teresa she downloads them making herself look guilty, if she hadnt downloaded them, then when rebeca stole her laptop, there wouldnt have been anything to find to use against her!!

that is NOT TRUE!!! T was NOT snooping around in Ivy's things. What happened was that Rebecca made T believe that E did not really love her (after he had chosen her) so T was going to go away to Australia. She was packing when she found the papers that Ivy's told Pilar to hide for her. Granted it was a bit weird that she would scan them but she didn't know what to do. Once again, it was indirectly G and R's fault that T even found the info to begin with. They're almost always to blame.

Okay for some reason the Gwen fans seem to forget a few things. 1 being Theresa flew away to give Gwen and Ethan space and just so happened that they ended up in the same place. Theresa didnt know they were going there. Gwen should have stayed in bed as ordered. Another thing I dont give a rats azz in hello who you are no one NO ONE has the right to use children to get what they want. Gwen and Rebecca have done nothing but use Theresas children!!!! I am not hating on Gwen I dont think shed be like she is now if her Mom wasnt around.

I am! SHe is a grown woman. My mommy couldnt make me be like that. I dont think Gwen is a smart as her mom, but every bit as cold and calculating. If she was a good person her mom couldnt have had an influence on her to do the things she has done. Her mom is just the brains of the operation. Love Liza though!

There are people out there that do things to please their mothers though. My best friend is a fully grown woman and she listens to her mother all the time. Her mother runs her life. I think its wrong and she needs some ground to stand on but the point is there are people out there that do things to please their mothers. Plus bear in mind Rebecca is VERY annoying. If Gwen doesnt do something right away Rebecca annoys her til she says "fine". Yea Liza is awesome . Could you imagine meeting both Lindsy and Liza in real life? Id be watching for them to start yelling instead of laughing together lol!

It would be the coolest to meet them both together. And I do understand what you are saying about pleaseing the mother, but I think this goes a little to far. I know some people who do alot of what their mom says, and act like they are still dependants at times, but I dont think they are causeing serious trouble like this greusome twosome. REbecca has influence, but Gwen has her own mind, and I cant beleive that she would do somthing just because her mother tells her too if she knew how wrong it realy was.

Yea I know what you mean. yea it would be cool but I wouldnt be able to watch the show the same again lol. Id be like "wait a minute they were hugging yesterday today their slapping each other" lol. I kno the diff. between show and reality but it still gets to me lol.

well im still gonna be for gwen because teresa was acting crazy in the court room which caused the judge to give temp custody to janes father ethan!

you obviously dont like Theresea so y do u keep talking about her? ur not to bright if you think that you and everyone else in this world wouldnt do what Theresa has done if some witch like Gwen took her kids away from her! shes not the crzy one, gwen is. do i need to remind you that gwen weant crazy and alomost lost her mind?

Yeah, I wanted to smack Theresa in thne court room. She could have keept in undercontrol. I just think that Gwen is Gwens worst enemy and Theresa is Theresas worst enemy at times. Gwen is pathalogical, and Theresa is paionate to a fault.

She was acting crazy because she knew what they were out to do! Id jump over all them people and podiums and strangle both Gwen and her Mom for trying to take my son away.

I understand what everyone is saying, but jumping up and down and trying to attack someone in the court in front of the judge when you are defending yourself as being a good parent wasnt the right thing to do, again if teresa had have thought before she acted mabie she wouldnt have lost, i believe she may have won, but she attacked someone in front of the judge, no judge will give custody to someone who obviously cant controll their anger enough to win a court case! Teresa painted an accurate picture of herself when she was in that court room, she really has to much going on with her between her obcession with ethan to her putting out for gain to alister ,, how is someone who can use sex for gain and trying to kill someone fit to raise a child,,, not saying that gwen is fit,,, neither are fit, the baby should go to pilar!

I totally agree. I seriously would have pressed the charges. I can't believe that Gwen got away with the kidnapping. I mean even if the drugs made her stab Theresa (which I am SURE they didn't since she is all the time threatening to kill Theresa in front of COUNTLESS witnesses) the drugs did not make her STEAL THE BABY... The Justice system is really crappy... BLAH!!!!!

The BIG difference between Gwen attacking and Theresa attacking is that whenever Gwen attacks Theresa, hardly anyone sees it, or it's blamed on Theresa or some other problem. Theresa is always seen as violent towards Gwen. Just once, I would love for Gwen to get what's coming to her, to be punished in any way for her behaviour and actions towards everyone, not just Theresa. She's part of the reason Pilar and Luis lost their jobs, and she's partly to blame for Ethan's current situation. And she has the nerve to have Theresa arrested for attempted murder when she KNEW what was going on! That makes her a party to the crime, but no one will ever find that out. It's all just so frustrating!

And Theresa didn't lose Jane on her own, Ethan just couldn't say no to Gwen and tried to use Jane to convince Theresa not to press charges. So it's technically Ethan and Gwen's fault they have Jane. But hopefully not for much longer...that little girl needs her mother!

ya right teresa is an attempted murder and no child needs to be with someone who puts out for gain and has almost killed a man... jane needs to be with her grandmother pilar cause she is the only one with a clear head at the moment!

good idea, the baby does need to be with pilar...but come on Gwen tried to kill thrice. Veryfine I like debating with you, but the whole "she's crazy, and tried to kill someone" is my line for gwen.

theresa might act a little crazy and not thinkv before she does something but she def is a good mother. She LOVES HER CHILDREN TO DEATH SHE WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR THEM. If she didnt love her children then when alister told her that she was free to go she would of walked out the door but no she is staying in that marriage from hell to protect her son from growing up to be evil like alister.

I a gree with you there. maybe Jane will keep pilar busy when Martin leaves her for Katherine

hahaha...put a little stank on that one huh. Pilar is getting on my nerves.

Sometimes you should think before you write because every time you write something bad about Theresa, you describe Gwen! Have you forgotten that Gwen is also an attemped murderer! She has tried to kill Theresa on more than one occassion, so please stop using the excuse that Theresa lost Jane by attacking Gwen because we both know she would have lost her anyway because Rebecca/Gwen would just bribe another judge!

I totally agree with you, but you can't talk that harsh to veryfine...she'll be all "mods so ans so is personally attacking me for my opinion" it's very risky...but you are so right. It would be like me saying Gwen doesnt deserve Jane because she's always scheming...but Theresa schemes too. It just invalidates your "opinion" when you use lame excuses that are hypocritical...Isnt everyone on this show an attempted murderer? Veryfine wants to act like Gwen is the only one fit to raise Theresa's kids when she's as fit or unfit as Theresa. I wonder what will happen to Jane when Ethan dies. I bet Gwen tries to keep her just because she want to hurt Theresa, and thats just wrong!

I agree with you EricaKimberlee. Gwen, isn't even a fit mother. Think about all of the episodes after custody was awarded to her and Ethan. She BARELY spent anytime with Jane, she simply checked on her from time to time and if you noticed, the nanny or what not is always stuck caring for Jane. Gwen is an unfit mother. At least with Theresa, you see her spending time with her children -- Gwen is barely spending time with Jane.

In my opinion, Theresa should get it as long as she starts to calm down. Until then, the baby should stay with Ethan and Gwen. I'm a Theresa fan but she needs to stop thinking irrationally.

If ethan dies then baby jane goes back to theresa. do you really think alister would let his wife go down for that mistake that put ethan in that hospital bed and coma the answer to that is NO WAY. Gwen has the parenting skills of a snake if she could have anymore kids that is she would have em and leave em.

mabie u need to realize that i can post how i feel and who are u to say what i am thinking about..... dont be upset because i dont see eye to eye with you!! i stand by how i feel,,, teresa is crazy that is why they had to drag her outta ethans hospital room screaming,, doesnt she know this is ICU and people are trying to heal... of course not all teresa cares about is herself!