I know this is a BL message board, but I just had to vent.

I liked Randall and was happy he won until his ungracious attitude about not wanting Trump to give Rebecca a job as well. I really did want her to win, but understood why Trump picked Randall. However - he turned out to be a bad winner. He has now lost my favour! Rebecca is a class act and Trump should have another show and fire Randall and hire Rebecca!
Booo hisss Randall! Learn that the most successful in business are also generous and help others too!

Feel better?



mel

yes I do! thanks very much for caring!
LOL

I couldn't agree more. It would have affected his life in no way whatsoever to tell Trump that he should go ahead and hire Rebecca too. They even both wanted different projects. I lost a lot of respect for Randall right there.

I've never watched the one w/the big D. eeewww, that hair. I did try to watch Martha's, but I quit because she told the women that "women in business don't cry". And then she said something about her going to jail and she didn't cry...yeah right! You know she was balling like a baby.

Anyway, my vent is over.

I was glad to see Randall win. Personally he much better suited for the job then Rebeca. I think he handled it very well last night when Trump asked him about hiring Rebecca. There is only one apprentice. Besides who knows, Trump might have hired her anyway, once the show was over.

Congrats to Randall!!!

Totally left a bad taste in my mouth. She was nothing but gracious and complimentary of him, even in the face of the competition. They were both qualified for the win.

I lost my admiration for Randall (and I had a lot for him), and was completely shocked by his response. Apparently he didnt learn anything but a "it's all mine" attitude with all those degrees.

In the end however, I dont think Mr. Trump shouldve posed the question to begin with. I think he wanted both of them, and should've just hired both of them. There was no point in consulting Randal about it in the first place.

Rebecca showed nothing but class, even in the end. She'll go far.

I'm glad to find this thread here, because I had a strong feeling that many people felt exactly as I did. I was rooting for Randal from DAY ONE and thought it would win. I liked Rebecca a lot, though, and I thought Randal did, too.

I also had a feeling from the beginning that Trump wanted to hire them both. The Trump Org. is SO big and there's room for BOTH. I guess Randal wanted that shining moment for himself, problem is, he didn't shine after what he did. That gentleman everyone admired so much took a big fall from grace. I was just so disappointed in him.

However, I do think that Donald Trump will do anything he pleases, and he can still hire Rebecca if not ON the finale.

I thought Alla made herself look horrible by trashing Rebecca like that. I didn't like her when she said that she "just laughed" when Felisha cried. She's smart, but it takes more than just "smart" to work well with others.

Anyway, I hope Rebecca will still get a job w/Trump.

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Randall was right. Has Trump ever, ever offered a 2nd job when he hired the past 3 apprentices, no. Kwame was qualified when he hired Bill, but he did not turn to Kwame and offer him a job. It was totally inappropriate and disrespectful. On the view, Star Jones talked about the fact that she discussed the incident with Donald Trump, and she said that he is thinking seriously about what he did. As she said, would you have 2 Miss Americas, would you have two presidents? Also, the girl finalist raised no money for her foundation, which is a Major Major slip up. Yahoo had to put their own money in. That makes Yahoo look bad also. She is not on the same level as Randall at all.

Hey DaraCat, I am totally with you on this. I was SO disappointed in Randal. And I really think he let Mr Trmp down too. He did so well and maintained such a great image throughout the whole interview process right up until that last moment where he let his ego and his greed totally grab hold and take over. I thought the look on Mr Trump's face said it all--First when he couldn't get Randal's attention and had to scream his name several times in order to get acknowledged. And again when Randal spit out his little BS response on how there should not be any more than one apprentice as the show was not called "The Apprentii" (or something to that effect). I thought it was so rude and just outright nasty for him to have done that. Rebecca wasn't even going after the same project as he. They could easily have both been hired. I know that Rebecca would have allowed Randal to be hired if the tables were turned. You're all right about her, she is an awesome person and SO smart. I think Randal would have felt threatened by her if she had been hired as well. He would have had to share the spotlight with a woman who could quite possibly do better at the job than he could. To me, Randal took the coward's approach and made sure that there was no way for Rebecca to outshine him. Sad really after how great the two of them got along and how they even motivated eachother to do well. I thought one of Mr Trump's major indicators when hiring an apprentice was how well they could work with a team? That was NOT a team move, Randal. That was pretty selfish if you ask me.
NBMG

People who think Rebecca should have been "given" the job must have only watched one episode because Rebecca was 1-2 as PM. Yes, she did a good job on the final task but it's a 13-week interview, not one week deal. Plus, some of you fail to understand the task -- to raise money for the charity. Rebecca raised ZERO dollars for the Glazier Foundation. Let me repeat that: ZERO dollars. Would it have been nice if Randal recommended her? Yes. Trump was wrong for putting Randal in that position.

O.K. thought I would weigh in. Randall had every right to not hire Rebecca at that time. He won, fair and square, get over it.

You are absolutely right when you say that she would have hired Randall had she won, and that is part of the reason why she did not win. Example: Do you think that when The Donald picks a construction company to work on one of his projects that he feels bad for the losing firms and gives the jobs too??? Nope.

It's the world of big business, there are winners and losers every day. Were both of them qualified? Absolutely!! Randall, was just more qualified then Rebecca. Bottom line.

He is the Apprentice!!! She is runner up... Did he probably offer her a job off air. I would say, yes.

Leave the guy alone, he clobbered the competition and won fair and square.

Geez, such bitter people.

All the best,
Stu
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Couldn't have said it better. Business is cut-throat. And some folks obviously have forgotten Trump's own words in the opening "Money" segment, "It's not personal. It's business."

hey Misty Girl & DC: I'm w/you guys. I happened to catch this show last night. For one as Trump said it wasn't just a reality show..............it was business!! No, you can't have two Miss Americas but hey, this is not the same thing!! Fact is, this was the first time Trump really wanted to hire both!! Two people doing two diff jobs in a humongoid organization............and that would have hurt Randal HOW????? Sorry I'm not buying that Miss America analogy! Doesn't wash........

You are SO right NBMG.................i'll betcha that Rebecca would've totally said YES to hiring Randal..............it was not a team move and having her in the Trump org. in a totally diff capacity wouldn't have taken away from him. I hope when he thinks about it & hears what people have to say he might regret what he said in his "moment of glory." What goes around comes around! I agree w/DaraCat.........wouldn't surprise me at all if Rebecca ends up working for Trump..........and i'm totally in sync re Alla..........that chick needs to lose the 'tude fast!

keeping it real in an unreal world....................................shay

If anything Randall garnered even more respect from Trump after this incident. Trump seemed a little bit unsure as to whether Randall was, for lack of a better word, cut throat enough to handle a job in his company working with the "big boys." He showed right there he is very strong and he's not going to cave in.

There is only one apprentice. Trump should not have put the ball in Randall's court in the first place.

I was shocked when Joe cancelled and then they were trying to find a replacement, and someone said they didn't have enough money to hire anyone good. So, someone else said that comedians would do it for free. So Rebecca says "sure, they would do it for free for a good cause, but this is for Yahoo."

What???

sigh...that was only one incident, but I think it certainly explains why they were so weak and let Yahoo run all over them to the point they made no money at all.

She didn't deserve to win period. His record was better from beginning to end.

She's a brilliant woman and she's only 23. She'll do great on her own. Randall is the Apprentice and he should not have to share that. What is the point of the entire final project otherwise?

Business is business and no way would Rebecca have given him the job if it were turned around, no matter what she says now. She already stabbed him once earlier in a bit of a white lie a few tasks ago.

In addition, nobody makes it to where those two made it by being pushovers and "sweet" all the time.

Emperor Trump told Randall:

"Arise my apprentice! You are now Lord Randall! You will serve me well as a Sith Lord!"

Fair and square?

I'm a few episodes behind (surprise surprise) and bummed that I didn't have the self control to not look at this thread, but after a couple of days of it staring me in the face I couldn't help myself.

At the stage I'm at I would be hiring Rebecca, but really that's beside the point.

I just thought the fair and square comment was kinda funny because the process is so intangeable. Was it fair when Rebecca and Randall went in and basically stole the other teams order of mega phones. I didn't really care myself, I thought it was funny tv.

I thought that was funny too Oz! LOL as to Trump himself, you have to either get past the ego or laugh at it to enjoy the show.

I saw him on Donny Deutch (sp?) last night and he knows very well most of those people do not need him or his job. Randall is already a millionaire and Rebecca will be one day. Its just another challenge those types of people love, and it can open doors quicker maybe. He knows this and he admitted it.

Its just pure entertainment to me. Fun to see how those folks handle the tasks.

Hey Mary, long time no see.

Have you seen the Tommy Hilfiger one? That's even funnier.
Such and such you are out of style go and walk the runway. Ha! Firing someone with *flair* as Bootcamp Bob would say.

(((((Oz))))) I was off staying with my parents and helping them decorate and Christmas shopping for a week. It was fun!

I have not seen the Tommy show and in fact until Trump mentioned it on the Donny D show last night I had never heard of it! I got the impression it has been cancelled. Is it still running now? I'd love to check it out for fun.

I'd love to witness a "firing with flair!"

That does sounds like fun... shopping shopping shopping.

It's possible that we're watching an old Tommy H one here, but the drama and suspense is a crack up. Fashion people don't do drama and suspense very well.

The two teams are judged and Tommy asks a few questions of the losing team and then tells anyone in the 'firing' line to move into the pitt. Yes the pitt sounds scary but really they just take a step forward and go down one step in front of the others. And once the decision is made the fired employee walks the runway.

I am making fun but I do enjoy the show.

I like to watch!

<,Geez, such bitter people.>>

I for one, am not bitter. I just have an opinion different from yours. Trump looked disappointed tht Randal said NO. And yes, it is RANDAL with one "L."

This is not important enough in my life (BY A LONG SHOT) to make me bitter. I try not to even be bitter about what does matter because it just eats one up inside. That's all.

What do you think he was disappointed about though? He can hire Rebecca if he wants. I doubt Donald Trump was disappointed in RandaL as a person/employee because of that. Trump would let no man, woman or alien be given equal credit for something he did himself, why would he expect RandaL to?

I say that because he looked disappointed when Randal said no, and then Trump said, "Well, I could have been convinced." I do believed he would have liked an Apprentice first and hired two people because he really liked them both. I got the strong feeling he would have wanted Randal to say yes. However, Donald Trump can hire anyone he wants ANY TIME he wants.

In my eyes, Randal still would have been the WINNER. I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't have seen it as "equal credit." Again, that's only my feeling. I'm not inside the heads of any of those people to know with certainty what they're thinking or feeling.

By the way, I liked your "firing with a flair." Very funny.

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My hubbie and I totally felt Randal could have have YES to Trump hiring them both. He had a chance of a lifetime to help someone and give them a once in a lifetime job. I liked them both BUT in the end felt Randal was very selfish. I see so many comments about Rebecca not raising money....when you watched the show prior to that final one YAHOO made it clear they REFUSED to allow them to ask for donations....I felt it was made yahoo look bad...not rebecca. Seemed to me they only called it fund raising to look good and maybe cash in on writing off a party??? Who knows....
Randal had a shot to change someone's life forever and his choice was to throw that away....too sad....
just my humble opinion....please don't trash me:)

sunflower, I am *totally* with you, Nightingale, Flemba, Misty, CAShay DaraCat & all of the others with this opinion. And you are so right, the Yahoo people were adamant about *not* asking people for donations. Also, I was wondering, does that mean that not *one* person who came to the fundraiser actually sent in $$?

I could really understand Randal saying no if it meant he were to work directly with and compete with Rebecca. But that wasn't the case: there were two positions available and they were entirely different. Randal got to choose because he was the winner. I can't see why it would have hurt him to say *yes* to Rebecca, especially in light of the solid working relationship and respect that had as team members. Maybe if it was someone besides Rebecca, I would've understood better. To me, saying yes would have only enhanced Randal. I would have liked him even more had he said yes, and that's just *my* opinion. There's room for both of them. Lots of it.

I still like Randal and I congratulate him. From the moment I saw him, I told my boyfriend, "He's gonna win." I just felt it in the way he carried himself, spoke, etc.

I've read several articles on this posted elsewhere, and there's definitely a very true split of opinions. That's fine. I love diversity. I just don't like it when people name call because someone feels differently.

I congratulate both Randal and Rebecca.

Cassidy

My disappointment is that I thought Randal was a different person, but his true jerk went to shining at the end. He forgot about the cameras being on him or something. ;-) That probably told Trump a lot about him, too. Yeah, Trump will probably hire her, anyway.

Did anybody see Donny Deutch last night? The entire cast was on and they all pretty much dissed Rebecca. I don't think she and Randal or she and anybody were a "team" other than when they had to be. I don't think she was a person well liked.

So you guys think that any of these reality shows should suddenly have more than one winner at the end? Especially if one was so much inferior and didn't even do the job? I don't get that.

Yayoo was adamant about not asking for donations true, but it was not Yahoo's call (as Carolyn or George pointed out. I can't recall who said their word was not gospel). Also, in that case then Rebecca should have asked Yahoo to make a generous donation. That is how those celebrity fund raisers go. You can't be wishy washy about asking for donations at a FUNDRAISER. Yahoo realized their huge mistake and saved face in the end.

After people get home with their goody bags, I seriously doubt many would send in money after the fact, which is just what happened unfortunately.

The mistake was they kept thinking Yahoo was the main focus, and their JOB was to run the fundraiser, which was the Elizabeth Glazier Foundation.

Rebecca is very smart, and is a hard worker. Her record was not as good as Randal's though. Why should he have to share the spotlight? None of us knows the sacrifices any of them made or why they made the choices they did, so we don't know really what went on.

jmo

Oh, you guys might be interested in this. LOL remember when Randal's team (I think he was the leader) was giving the workshop on Sex in the Office? Well, remember how Clay went on and on with the gay stuff, and everybody was uncomfortable? Well, they talked about it last night and it turns out someone in the class actually asked them about gay relationships in the office.

So, they all deferred to Clay, since he is gay, to answer that question.

Editing editing editing. We never know what goes on! Although, personally I think he could have done it differently, and that still doesn't explain his obnoxious Jewish remark, but anyway I thought that was interesting.

It was a good show.

I do want to correct my exaggeration when I said that "everybody" was dissing Rebecca. It was more of an argument between them all.

Yikes! No, Randal was the leader of the other team.

Sorry to Randal fans. Myself included.

There R valid points to be made on both sides but I still would have liked to see Rebecca get hired. My favorite part was when Trump told Toral, "Tonight is the first time I've liked U at all!" And I liked it when he got so disgusted at Alla for garbage slinging toward Rebecca. Sore loser -- WOW!

I didn't watch Season 1, but I watched all the others. Last year, I had NO favorite but did find Tana really obnxious at the end. No WAY Trump would've wanted her.

Did anyone see Kelly in the audience? I saw Bill & Kendra but not Kelly.

Well -- i hope it works out for the best for all of them. What I would've liked to see isn't what matters.

Kresine

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In addition, nobody makes it to where those two made it by being pushovers and "sweet" all the time.>>

That is why -- in the real world -- Hansky is the CEO of several corporations!

Neither Kelly or Kendra are seen during the season, but the finales all of the winners make an appearance. However, I'm not sure why Kelly wasn't there -- or maybe the camera didn't show him in the audience.

Kresine, I didn't see Kelly! I wish I had.

I could not believe Alla said that. Not the time or the place. I felt so bad for Rebecca, although Alla is just a B*tch and everybody knows that, but still in front of Rebecca's family and there Live it was just horrible for Alla to be that way. Sour grapes. I was glad none of them picked her to help them in the end.

Found out last night they do it all in 6 weeks. That explains why Rebecca was on crutches the whole time. Can you imagine the exhaustion doing 13 tasks in 6 weeks!? (I think there are 13 tasks).

I'm sorry I misunderstood. I thought you guys saw Kelly.

I wholeheartedly agree regarding Alla's actions. I can only say that she did not make Rebecca look bad; she truly demeaned herself and all the credibility she had earned during the various tasks. She showed her true colors in a startling rainbow of muddy colors, which I've no doubt, will come back to haunt her.

I agree it was "horrible" in front of Rebecca's family, but I do like to imagine how proud they were when Donald Trump interrupted Alla's jealous rant to defend Rebecca.

I appreciate the different points of view from all who posted.

H.

I agree! I was so happy that Donald interrupted that rant and made Alla look further the fool! You are so right, she lost all credibility she had gained.

I actually liked her until near the end.

I live in western Wisconsin where we get Minnesota news stations. Rebecca is from Minnesota and did an interview with one of the stations. I only caught part of it, but Yahoo has offered her a job...along with many other offers. I think that shows something when Yahoo offered her a job after working with her! I too wanted Rebecca to win but understood why Randall did...but was also disappointed with his reaction to the question! Oh well, Rebecca will go far and has a ton of class!

I saw that when Rebecca got offered that job. I was staying with my mom and I think it was on The Today Show. One of those same women she worked with gave her the offer. I agree she won't hurt for offers, and probably wasn't hurting before she did the show either.

I agree that Rebecca, or several of the candidates, will be hurting for jobs. And Yahoo definitely needed to offer Rebecca the job since they were responsible for her defeat with their demands.

Well, I see the Radio Awards are featuring winners from the various reality shows, starting off with Matt & Suzy. But what a surprise to see ALLA next to Randal & not Rebecca! I have no way of knowing why, but it seems that maybe Rebecca didn't want to be around Randal . . .or not.

Who knows??

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Alla said she didn't think Rebecca could cut the mustard in Trump's organization, so Alla appearing with Randal isn't a surprise.

I don't care what Alla said: she isn't the authority. I think she likely didn't appear because she didn't want anything to do with Randal. That doesn't translate to Alla being right about Rebecca's ability. Alla isn't much of a team player and for all of her smarts, if people don't like you, that isn't "cutting the mustard" either. Alla acted like a petty, jealous child during the finale. I have absolutey no respect for her.

P.S. "she not appearing" referring to Rebecca, obviously.

Who is Alla? The Queen? Seer of all that is correct? Omnipotent? Obviously, Trump liked Rebecca FAR FAR more than he liked Alla! I agree with DaraCat. I think Rebecca had her own personal reasons for staying away which are separate entities entirely from Alla's petty analysis. Remember how Rebecca stood up for Toral, even though Toral didn't deserve it? Trump didn't agree (and he hated Toral), but he really respected Rebecca standing up for what she believed in. I think Rebecca does have what it takes. She HAS backbone and fortitude. And I fully believe she would have opened the door for Randal had the situation been reversed. Maybe, she just couldn't make it for logistical reasons. Whatever, her absence is not related to Alla's judgment of her, not in my opinion.

Cassidy

P.S. I only happened to see the Radio Music Awards show is because my nephew came over to spend the evening with me and he is so into music and begged me to watch with him. What's the perfect aunt to do?? :-D

He was bummed that his favorite group, Maroon 5, didn't win! But he loved the show & it was great together time! That's all that counts!

Yeah, I agree that Alla was a bit over the top. Rebecca was a good candidate, who will get a solid offer elsewhere.

I agree with everything you said except Rebecca would have opened the door for Randal had the situation been reversed. Seeing how wrong many of us were about Randal extending the offer to Rebecca, who's to say things would have been different if Trump hired Rebecca first -- that is, unless you're Rebecca's best friend, family member or Rebecca herself.

I agree with you. It is only *my thought* that she would have done so, but you are absolutely correct that we have no way of knowing. I would have expected Randal to act differently. I don't profess to know any of them. It's only a feeling. I feel that Rebecca would have "opened the door" for Randal simply based on her loyalty toward Toral, who didn't deserve it, so my thinking was that she would have been loyal to Randal, who she *had* far more respect for. Nobody really knows. In fact, maybe Rebecca doesn't even know because she wasn't given the opportunity to see how she would've reacted. You make good points.

Cassidy

Thanks (good points). That's all I wanted to do is provoke thought. You, too, make a good point about the loyalty regarding Toral.
I still wish we knew if Trump offered Rebecca the job the day after the show ended. Randal's point about being named the only Apprentice related to the show (at least what he said during interviews), but not the other job offer per se. In other words, he's saying Trump shouldn't give Rebecca the job on Thursday, when he can offer her the job the next day. The questions are 1) will Trump make the offer and 2) will she accept?