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This thread has been created as a place to discuss the character of Nicole Wallace and how Olivia D/Abo brings her to life onscreen. Thank you to affect for starting the topic.

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I enjoy watching goren and nicole engage - a rather cold respectful relationship is being developed, this is the only instance in the series where goren is tested psychologically, where the tables turn, and the interviewee becomes the interviewer. Both characters were abused as children..is this what Nicole meant when she said.."You and I are the same, Bobby"

I want her dead... Way too over the top way to reveal Goren's background. Nothing against Ms. D'Abo...







...or Mimi

I completely agree. Gotta bring back Nicole. Come on!! We all know Rumors of her Demise are greatly exaggerated. She is delightfully devilish and evil. And yet...so vulnerable. hehehe And, I just love the way she calls Goren, "Bobby".

We want Nicole!

just watched usa and i agree that olivia and vincent create great characters who bring out the deepest thoughts and feeling of each other--its good to see how each character brings out the fear each other and the need to just strangle each other--love to see them go at it--way to go olivia and vincent--klc

Nothing against the actress or the episodes themselves but, Nicole isn't even a character I love to hate anymore... it's just enough already.

The first episode with Nicole, (ANTI-THESIS) I thought was great.
The second episode, (A PERSON OF INTEREST) with it's little vindictive payback at Goren's expense - okay....
The third episode, (GREAT BARRIER) enough already. Why did you people vote to keep her alive?? That's not going to stop me from watching it -it's just staring right now...)
The fourth episode, (SLITHER) (with just its mention of Nicole) more than enough already.
It's just time for her to go....
Having said that, I don't think it should be Bobby who makes her gone.
What a twist it would be if the Goren/Eames team had to investigate her murder..... hmmmm

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oooo - I like that idea Urban Myth!!! I'm hoping the powers that be wouldn't think of having it be Goren or Eames who takes her out, but you never know. Having them try to find her killer, thereby satisfying those of us who've had enough already as well as those who are intrigued by the character's backstory - That would be fantastic!!

I agree with Naydi and Urban Myth. I would love to see them investigate Nichole Wallace's death or, in a real L&O twist, show the episode backwards like they did with Countdown in SVU (I believe it's Countdown.)

Example:

The episode opens with Goren is face to face with Nichole. The next thing you see is her falling over dead, his gun with smoke. He leans back against the wall, relieved that it's over. Eames runs in saying, "Are you ok?" He nods as the police and paramedics tend to Nichole. They say that she's dead.

*fade to CI theme song*

Then we see how Goren got to the above event and then the aftermath of the event: his captain giving him time off or even Goren having to face the board. I'd love to see it go something like that.

Nicole is on the run and KNOWS that she really might not make it this time and she leaves clues that the killer will miss, but that Nicole KNOWS Goren will find and understand.....

I confess that I really like the sparkling little sociopath. I also like the D'Abo/D'Onofrio chemistry.

Clearly, though, the character hasn't been given much traction in recent scripts - or at least that's what I'm guessing, because I haven't seen Great Barrier or Grow. Both sound preposterous, going by the synopses.

I do think Urban Myth's scenario is a first-rate exit strategy. Sounds intriguing, the basis of a great script. Me, I would not like to see her killed off, though, perhaps safe in a cell and available for perhaps one more mutually tortured tete-a-tete with Goren. In any case, I would hate to see her either 'redeemed' - blerg! - or totally obliterated. My opinion, and I'm sure it won't be popular ;-0

oh yes!
i absolutly loooove the nicole episodes...
i don't really know why
i guess because you see a different side to goren...
you know?

I'd watch that

I always like it when she's in it.

I would love to see the return of Nicole. Especially now that "Bobby" is facing some serious personal turmoil. It's the old Sherlock-Moriarty conflict. The timing would be perfect. I know Mr. D'Onofrio would appreciate it, having played Moriarty in "Sherlock" from 2002.

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No, No, No, No Nicole. She's done. If I have to see her overbite and hear that annoying accent for one more show I swear it will send me over the edge.

The way she says "Bobby" suggests admiration?

I think it shows admiration. I also think she's trying to "disarm" him in a way.....trying to invoke feelings about his mother, a troubled adolescence....to disrupt his process so he'll make a mistake.....

It's the Holmes-Moriarty classic relationship....super detective vs. super criminal...their mutual respect drives them toward conflict...trying to destroy one another...but both, ultimately, not wanting it to end because each one represents to the other the only real challenge of their abilities.

Well said brcrazy! That's it in a nutshell! Goren needs a nemesis or several of them to challenge his intellect and skills. The N. Wallace character gave Goren a run for his money and bested him. Watching the two characters mentally tackle each other was enjoyable. These episodes were the ones that my husband liked and commented on with a "Goren's finally got somebody to match wits with!" The other episode hubby liked was "Jones." The shoe size, hand size, titan missle episode. LOL He got a real chuckle out of that one.

I remember that episode. Classic L&O form. The more complicated the mystery, the more complex the criminal, then we get the subtle insights into the detectives' character that makes the show so appealing. The bits and pieces of their personalities that helps them solve a crime or keeps them at bay. I can't shake the last shot from the last episode when Goren is asked "Are you OK?". Such a complex character, such personal turmoil. I can't wait to see how it will evolve. I and I see now more developement of Eames as well. It is overdue and welcome.

I think Goren wants it to end, I also agree he relishes her intellect, while, of course, despising her behaviour, a love-hate relationship?

When I originally posted in this thread, I mentioned the Nicole episodes I'd seen. GROW was not one of them. Now, having finally seen it, (thanks USA Network!) I find I still want her gone. I'm hoping she stays in Arizona for good.

Not to say there are not elements in the Nicole episodes I don't enjoy. She's quite cheeky with Goren, and their scenes together are great fun to watch. It's the whole nemesis concept that seems out of step. I think it worked better in Victorian London for Sherlock Holmes than it does in present day New York City for Robert Goren.

Your description made me laugh, I think you got Nicole down pat.

YAY! I finally got to see the first episode that had Nicole Wallace in it. lol. It was awesome and the last scene where she and Goren are interrogating each other was just amazing! I almost had a heart attsck when Goren smacked his hand down on the table. lol. I honestly thought this woman was going to try to seduce him in that room. She kept looking at him in a way that made me think she was going to try something. lol. I was impressed that she maintained her name was Elizabeth Higgins, or whatever her name was. I really like this character. I think it's good to throw someone in once in a while that Goren just can't trap. I saw an interview where VDO mentioned they showed two different endings one on the West Coast and one on the East coast and they let people decide if Nicole should live or die, or something like that. I remember seeing the episode where Nicole jumps out a window and they never find her body. So since one part of the country saw her live and the other part saw her die does anyone know where that leaves us? I mean can Nicole ever come back for another episode? Would that mean the West coasters wouldn't see the ep since she died on their tv screens? I really want to see Nicole come back! But I just can't see how she could at this point.

She jumped into the river and survived (much to my dismay) in GREAT BARRIER in Season 4. In season 5 Nicole and Goren tangled again in GROW. And there was a reference to and connection to Nicole in another Season 5 episode, SLITHER.

I wasn't always anti - Nicole, I'm a big fan of ANTI-THESIS and PERSON OF INTEREST, but after, enough is enough. I hate to see Goren 'bested' by anyone, but to continually have the same criminal beat him just drives me nuts. The Holmes/Moriarty corollary/ nemesis argument just doesn't cut it in the 21st Century.

It is my great wish there be no Season 6 appearance of Nicole. But maybe that's just me.

I am torn about the Nicole character.. I like her, but I don't... she does not need to be the proverbial "thorn" on Gorem's side... Then again, it makes him appear human, when he tries to keep his emotions under control.. I guess I would not miss Nicole if she went away, but if she did, then there goes Gorem's nemesis and we will not be able to see his vunerable side...? HUMMMMM??

I totally love the episodes with her in them..she is an awesome character and you have to give props to Olivia D'ablo for portraying her so awesomly!!
Cool thread!!

I totally agree. I love hating that character so much. It's cool to see how far they've come since her first appearance. It's almost like she's got alot more 'affect' and empathy cause of Bobby as time goes by. Well, maybe not alot, but more than she did before anyway. Plus it's a cool way for us to get more personal info on Bobby's life. "tit for tat" remember.
I think she's a very cool character. So many demons. So manipulative and calculating, but extremely intelligent. I love her accent as well, and the way she says Bobby. Plus she doesn't only hit on him, she hits on Eames as well. She makes an awesome villain. She's just an all around great character and actress, and I'm looking forward to seeing her again.
Also as far as the episode where she jumps in the river, even though we now know she did make it since they've shown her since, they did elude to it, even back then. I remember Bobby saying something like, how long do you think it would have taken Nicole to save a quart of her own blood to Eames. And Eames says, but why didn't the other girl (I don't remember her name) say anything if she saw the blood all over the floor? Bobby says, maybe we never really turned her. Then he says, it's just a thought. Of course, he was right in the end.
Vurtgirl

They need to kill her off for good, and hopefully in a decently written episode. The first couple eps were good ('tit for tat' is like watching a strip-tease on the hood of a fatal car wreck - erotic and revolting at the same time, and you can't help but look). But the subsequent eps went downhill fast. They've used it too much.

Come on now, you want her dead! Why? Just cause she's killed so many innocent lives?
Actually if she really was real, it would be kinda creepy if I was cheering for her wouldn't it?
Vurtgirl

It's not that I want her dead per se, it's just that the plot device has worn thin. Yes, the first couple of times were great (and yes, every Holmes should have a Moriarity), but it's been overused and now it's gotten old. And grating. Killing her would just be a way to gain colosure on the entire story arc. Of course, the writers have bigger fish to fry this season than closing out the Nicole storyline.

I didn't mean to make light of your opinion. Just a dumb joke, but I definitely respect your point of view. I think you probably will get what you want as far as if they show Nicole again. Even though I do enjoy her character, I think they will make closure of it in one way or another the next time they show her, if they do. Like you said though, they do have alot bigger fish to fry. I just hope VDO stays long enough for us to even have a chance to see her or any other character to be honest. (I really do worry about that.) As long as he stays on the show, I'll be happy with whatever characters they decide to show.
Vurtgirl

'S'okay. Wasn't taken that way.


Same here.


Well, maybe not that happy. But then this board would get really boring.

Hello everyone, does anyone else think that Nicole might pop up after Goren's mother's death? I mean, just to torture the guy. It would be a gut wrenching episode.

Personally, as far as an ending to the character is concerned, I wanted Nicole to meet her maker in one of these three ways:

1. Goren kills her (a la the alternate ending of Great Barrier)
2. She is murdered and Goren & Eames must investigate
3. Or she kills herself and frames Goren for her murder

Of course, I'd hope her death wouldn't come until the end of the series. Despite the ridiculousness of a mass murder always eluding conviction / capture (what's her body count up to?), I still like her a lot.

-Sld84

I'd like door #3, but I have trouble thinking of a scenario that would lead Nicole to commit suicide. Much as she wants to get even with Goren, I can't see her killing herself just to do that. How about she fakes a suicide/homicide and frames Goren, and that somehow leads to Goren having to kill her.

I wouldn't describe the relationshp as "Holmes/Moiriarty". Nicole is almost played like Irene Adler, the only woman to stump Homes in a mystery. (The Bohemian Scandal, by A C-D)
Nicole enjoys the cat and mouse against Bobby.

But Irene Adler was a wronged woman protecting herself. Nicole is a psycho.

Patcat

Wallace and Goren (and Eames) have such a weird relationship! It seems like Eames is a kinda jealous of her but i might be toatally wrong about that. Goren seems like he is sympathetic to her because they both had hard childhoods. She is interesting...

I ca'nt really comment on this cus i've never seen her ! lol

NEVER?????? Wowzer....

Thanks vurtgirl, my friend - I've merged the topics.

CILover - I for one love to hate Nicole and would like to see her back for one final go-round with Goren. I don't think I want her killed off, but I would like her to finally go to jail. Goren seems to really identify with her (to a point) and she plays off of his empathy toward her. I'm not sure I see Eames as jealous so much as protective of her partner and how Nicole gets under his skin.

I do think there's a little jealousy on Eames' part. Goren can relate to Wallace in a way that he can't relate to Eames. He opened up to Wallace in one ep more than he was able to open up to Eames in 5 1/2 years. Even though it was through devious manipulation and Goren's intentions were to get a confession, I think Eames sees a connection btwn G and W that she is unable to attain.

Of course we can say that it's easier for Goren to open up to any perp to illicit a confession. TWSH, Siren Call, Anti-Thesis. But Eames must feel like an outsider during these events, especially in light of TWAH. Bobby can't let the person closest to him too close.

You're so awesome, rowenaaine, my sweet friend, you're always there when we need you. Thankyou, I'm glad we have you.
I love the topic of Nicole. She's a very complex character, and I think alot of people have some good ideas on what should happen to her, and some crazy ideas on how to 'rid' her...lol..
Vurtgirl

Ah Nicole Wallace. I have a love/hate relationship with this character. I loved her in Anti-Thesis - our first introduction to her. Even liked her during A Person of Interest. After that it all just sort of became too much. The story lines with her seemed just too contrived and the way she managed to get away with just a little too much by the time of her last appearance.

I don't think Eames is jealous of Nicole at all. I think she just hates her. LOL She is the one perp she and Goren can't catch, she flaunts it in their faces and she unbalances Goren. More than enough reason for Eames to really hate her.

i agree with you. i think Eames does hate nicole. i think part of that hate is coming from that nicole is completely crazy and insane and has killed many people. another part is coming from how nicole makes Goren weird and gets under his skin. she is nervous for him which end in her hating nicole. but i also think another part is jealously. Nicole get Goren to tell her things that Eames doesnt know about him. Goren has this twisted relationship with Nicole that Eames cant understand. Goren is not willing to get close to Eames most likely because of his childhood. But then Nicole comes, she understands Goren and through this, get him to tell her things that Eames is unaware of... jealous...

couldn't agree more...I like the fact that he has met his match.

Cool Avatar, jerron. Is that you in one of the pictures? Or is it some really famous new actor or singer & I am showing my old age?

The Nicole episodes were pivotal in flushing out the Goren character in a subtle & provocative way. Using this character to find out little tid bits about Goren's batcave was a great concept devised by Rene Balcer, the former showrunner. Now, the new guy( Warren Leight) just dumps the personal info into the plot. Sure, it's easier that way. But, I feel that it caters to the dumber, fly by night viewer, not us true CI fans.

What I would like to see is Nicole come back into a storyline. Not one with Mom Goren (toooo soapy) but as a criminal doing another murder. A really good plot with an aria between her & Goren in the interrogation room with tempers flying & fists pounding the table galore

no..lol it's an actress on Days

i just had this idea. what if nicole was on a show with logan/wheeler?! that would probably be a toatal waste of nicole, but i think it would be really interesting and possibly hillarious. i dont really know how they would do it though. would nicole only do that background stuff with Goren or would she be the exact same with Logan? i dunno.

I think that could work .

here's logans comment last night when he was being shown her file .







He's face when he said that was so funny . lol

I didn't get an admiration vibe from Nicole when she calls Goren "Bobby". It's sounds and looks more like an attempt to irritate him or unnerve him. Like a challenge. Defiance.