HAHA...

I do have to say I felt bad for Karen... I feel for her now... she really has seen that she has no future here... this parallels Jim in Conflict Resolution.

Karen, is starting to see for herself... just watch her eyes this whole episode they tell the whole story!!

Careful, PH, you're becoming the ScrantonBranch of the Karen Conundrum

Karen didn't have a lot of screen time, but she certainly spoke volumes. Lots of subtext in her talking head, if you ask me.


Bravo for catching that. You are very right about the parallel.

Just for you to even suggest that I would be like SB makes me smile

Karen was also very civil with Pam.. almost to the point of not caring anymore... like she has given up, if Jim is going to go to Pam Karen can't stop it..

In TN Karen had some tough revelations about Jim and her relationship with Jim. Jim's response to Roy's attack slapped her into reality. In ST she has decided to distance herself from Jim as her illusion of Jim continues to crumble. Jim's physical closeness and growing openness to Pam gives Karen very little reason to invest anymore energy in JAREN.

I don't know - I still saw a couple of territorial moments with "Grumpy Ms. K".

1. Warehouse - she was by Jim until he moved over, away from her, and toward Kevin.
2. Pam's desk - even though Karen wasn't standing right next to Jim, her bet was one that closed in on his bet (and Pam "charitably" said that Karen was just being smart - love that Pam... so sneaky!). Yet she didn't like it one little bit when Kevin kept emphasizing Jim's time at the desk.
3. Kelly's "explanation" - Karen's rear was planted firmly on Jim's desk every second (except when she was sullenly tossing down her money).
4. At the end, when the staff is applauding Michael's triumphant, Braveheart-y return to ground level, Karen was right back next to Jim (and Pam was on Jim's other side - SO symbolic).

No, Karen isn't a happy gal, but it doesn't seem like she's throwing in the towel yet. I'd love it if she made a play on macho, oh-so-cool Darryl to make Jim jealous. That would certainly spice things up!

Me too! . . . Well, sort of  . . .

I definitely feel like Karen realized in ST what a horrible situation she's in:

She has no friends at the new office, especially since her old co-workers are mostly gone (and it's not like she can lean on Andy,) and not even any friendly-acquaintances, really. And even if she were to try really hard to be ingratiate herself with them (unlikely, considering her personality) she has no way to make up for all of their history together. Plus, her one support, Jim, is very obviously deeply entangled in this whole history, and that will always draw him closer to Pam, his (former?) best friend.

It must have been pretty disheartening for her to see not only how little she really was integrated into the society of the Scranton branch, but also, more specifically, the way Jim and Pam (once they identified what Michael was planning) quickly rushed together to cooperate almost instinctively. There's just no substitute for that sort of long-standing relationship.

And that will be the major factor in Karen's demise. No matter how hard she tries, she just does not have all that history that comes from a long standing relationship

and she is starting to see that fact clear as day now!!

Excellent points as usual! I agree that Karen has one more fight left in her, but unless Jim chooses her unequivocally she will be D-U-N. The reality that she is a rebound is smacking Karen in the face. I thought is was possible that Karen might start to distance herself after TN, but seeing it on screen was still a little shocking. She allowed so much non-verbal interaction between Jim and Pam. It was like she was watching them to get a better read on Jim. She made some passive-aggressive attempts to redirect Jim's attention, but she did not really fight for that attention as she so successfully has in the past. Karen is off her game.

I just watched ST again and ran to this thread to make a post. PH, you sort of beat me to the punch, but let me elaborate. After seeing Karen's face when Kevin made the comment about Jim spending hours and hours at Pam's desk for years and years, she realized that she will never be able to win Jim's heart from Pam. She looked so defeated, but she also looked somewhat resigned. I think I know what will happen. Here is my prediction:

Starting with PH's quote above...Karen will realize that Jim truly loves Pam and that she likes Pam and that Jim and Pam belong together. She will bow out gracefully and tell Jim that he should be with Pam, not her. (Kind of parallel to Roy's coffee shop realization to Pam.)

JAREN will split amicably, She will leave Scranton and Jim will go to Pam with Karen's blessing.

I think that this will happen almost immediately after the big JAM "talk" or "cage match"--whichever terminology you prefer.

In one episode, Pam and Jim will have it out. Pam will confess her feelings, but Jim will not go to her right away out of loyalty to Karen.

In the next episode, Karen will see the look on Jim's eyes and just know it is time to let go. He will be appreciative, hug her and let her go and then he will make a beeline to Pam.

This will be the finale! This way Karen will save face and Jim won't look bad by dumping her. And everyone will live happily ever after.

I agree that I think Jaren will spilt amicably.. ( I always have!!).

I also liked your prediction.. and really want to elaborate on it!! ( I am going to catch up on my 4 nights of non-sleep, it hit me this morning in class.. now I am just trying to wake up so I can drive home lol)

I really feel the need to analyze Karen today, so after a nap.. it is over to my ipod and Karen and I are going to hash it out!!!

Tonight ( I hope) I will be back to fully reply to your wonderful and insightful post!!

Plus, give Karen the atten she deserves.

( and don't worry, I am not going to make Karen all nice.... She is still not going down without a fight! I am going to go out on a limb and predict that Even if her and Jim are on good terms... the "other" woman and her.. will not be)

Seeing Karen's expression after Kevin made mention of how many times Jim has been at Reception was priceless.

That is all.

I watched that "part" ummmm way to many times to count.. each time giggling just a litter louder and harder than before!!

At the end of the night whenever Kevin started to talk I would start laughing so hard out of pure Joy...

Sorry Karen as much as I stick up for you and all.. it gives me great pleasure to see you squrim!!

*rubs hands together* Can't wait to hear your thoughts, PH!

It's interesting to see that, despite all her hard work to try to reel Jim in, Karen keeps bumping up against the reality of Jim and Pam's past. In her mind she has done everything she can to foster a tight relationship with Jim, but it keeps slipping away. It makes me suspect that she is close to the point of understanding Jim and Pam's relationship better than they do.

That is a perfect way to state it. I agree completely. Wouldn't be ironic if Roy and Karen's encouragement is what brings JAM together?

That would be ironic indeed. I'd love to see it happen that way.

We are all of one thought! Karen has tried many times I think the count is now at three and everytime she runs into Jim and Pam's past. I think she will just tell Jim that her heart is not in this relationship and it is clear that his heart is not in it either.. something like that. She is a warrior and will fight, but she is logical to know when to back down.... that being said I think that she will want to go down fighting.... I am conflicted about this but I think Karen is going to take out her frustration on Pam. Pam is going to have to climb over Karen to get to Jim, the more Pam gets to Jim he more frustrated and arngy Karen is going to get at Pam. I think Karen will hang on to Jim until the finale, but I think she might focus on trying to scare Pam away... If she can't have Jim no one will

The truth is that while I have been able to predict the gist of what is going to happen episode by episode..those writers throw us curve balls. Karen is going

I am going to predict that next episode deals with Karen and Jim

the episode after that deals with Karen and Pam

and then the fianle can deal with them all

( This might not be, because they might just decide to deal with each three every episode I guess we will have to see!)

Oh and this is not my "big" post lol... I just can't stop talking about Karen today

PH, I agree with so much of what you say about Karen; however, I have to differ with you on one point. I don't think it is going to be a bitter fight until the end and I don't think she will antagonize Pam. I think she will rise to the occasion, realize her defeat and give Jim and Pam her blessing. She is not pathetic. I don't think she is going to keep chasing Jim when she knows in her heart that Jim and Pam are truly in love with each other. She has more class and more self-esteem than that.

I didn't feel this way until watching last night's episode (ST). The look in her eyes at the reception desk after Kevin's comment was one of someone who has been beaten and knows it. I think she will take her lumps and move on.

If she were truly in love with Jim, I might not feel so strongly about this, but she isn't and I think she will respect the love that Jim and Pam share and will leave being happy for them.

I want to hate her, but I just can't right now b/c I think in the end she will redeem herself.

BTW, still can't wait to read your post later!

I don't think Karen will be horrible... just a thorn in Pam's side.

With that comment this episode through me for a loop, I can really see Karen doing the nice thing. I can see her redeeming herself as well!! I would really like her to do that. I am conflicted because it seems odd that she would just give up ( which is why I really want to see the next episode).

In the end I want her logical side to come out, and like I said tell Jim that their hearts are not in it.

Something SB said to me made me think tho.

As for Pam and Karen, I think their behavior towards one another should be expected. Karen is probably irritated with Pam because of Roy attacking Jim and Pam's aggravation from last week is still playing out. I expect Pam to have more "issues" with Karen seeing as she has reached emotional honesty in her feelings about Jim. Pam may like Karen as a person, but she is an obstacle in Pam's way to Jim.

I think that while Karen feels defeted, she is not going to just let Pam walk all over her. I just don't think Karen would give up that fast. She might know, but like many women she is also going to give major thought before breaking up with Jim ( which is why I think this wont happen until the finale, even though I think it will happen within the first 30 mins of the finale.

I really do see your pint , and I for one felt very bad for Karen this episode. I do think that in the end she will bow out and take another job far away from all things scranton.

who knows maybe next episode we will see her talking to Jan about a transfer.

I don't look at it that way. I don't think she would feel Pam is walking all over her..really it has very little to do with her. It's all about Jim and Pam's love for each other. I think she will realize she can't compete and rise above any petty tactics. I really think she will see that they belong together and will gracefully step aside and let the planets align!!

I'm telling you, that look after Kevin's comment was a HUGE turning point. At that moment, IMHO, she realized what the true reality of the situation is and that five nights or five years of talking will not change it.

I think you are just reading what I am saying wrong ( I do not look at it that way, I was just giving a possible different option)

I don't think Karen is going to use petty tactics or anything. I was just saying that I was conflicted as to what she was going to do. On one hand I don't see Karen giving up ( this just means that Karen will take control of the situation and tell Jim she is done.)

On the other hand Karen has gone through a huge change the last two episodes, and I think she had come to the conlusion that the relationship was not doing so well when Roy came to get his paycheck ( the jellybean scene just smacked the reality into her face, that she is not going to overcome it. Watching the scene agian, she rolls her eyes at first as if to say, yeah we know they were close, but then looks like she wants to hide because she then sees that the truth that Pam has a history with Jim that Karen can not compete with.)

Most of this episode Karen was seeing just how much she did not fit into this group of people. In the long run, Jim is the heart of Scranton, and if Karen does not fit in with scranton, then she does not fit in with Jim. At the begining of TN Karen felt comfertable with everything Jim was actually playing with her, and He seemed that he really was over Pam, and then Roy came in and brought it all back up. Karen saw that no matter how much she tries Jim's past is always going to come back. She then sees that she might not know Jim as well as she thought with the 5 nights of talking comment.

This episode added to the fact that Karen does not belong/get Scranton. ( she just looks very bored and anoyed and sad the whole episode. She sees that she does not fit into Jims life.

This is why the jellybean scene is big, because she sees that Pam does fit into Jims life... for hours and hours for years, she has.

Outside Karen just looks like she has had enough and can not believe that she is even standing outside, I think this really sets up the stage for Karen transfering to another Job, Karen will change/fix something if she is not happy with the situation, which is why I think she will break up with Jim... it is not working so she needs to fix it.

What I am saying about Pam and Karen, is just the fact that Pam is going to be pushing, and no one likes that kind of situation. I would really like to know what other such as WOS ( the "warrior Karen" spokeswoman.) think about this

We said Karen was a warrior.. will she go out fighting or surrender?

What will be the relationship between Karen and Pam over the next 4 episodes

When will Jaren end? Will it be sooner rather than later and who will end it?

^^^

A word from your local Spokeswoman of Warriors:

PH, having read your post, it is hard to come up with a "Karen will fight to the bitter death" argument, because you set out your position so beautifully.

I totally agree that Karen is conflicted, but recent history has shown her that Pam is not acting like an active threat. Even before PW, Pam wasn't making any overt moves toward Jim. Then Pam goes off with Roy (leaving Jim "really happy" to be with Karen, and I'm sure not having anything positive to say about Pam. At all.). Now that Pam is free from Roy, she and Jim went through a phase where Jim almost seemed to loathe her. Up until last night's episode, there haven't been any warm-fuzzy moments between Jim and Pam to even worry about.

Then comes last night's episode. Because Pam, again, wasn't doing anything overt, there really wasn't anything in her behavior for Karen to lock in on. Jim's behavior was open and friendly to just about everybody - nothing special seemed directed at Pam (up to a point!).

In fact, cute little Pam displayed the classic technique of "keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer" by giving Karen a very nice compliment. Might have been the first kind thing that Karen heard from another office-mate all day, or even in a long time. Pam seemed to be saying "I'm not a threat. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along."

Kevin, on the other hand, brought a different energy to the table. At that moment, things started to change. This wasn't any fun for Karen any more. Her "let me in on the action" energy started to dissipate and she became much more watchful, much more wary. She didn't let a couple of people get between her and Jim during the Kelly prank. No, she was plonked right there next to him, protecting her territory.

Outside, Jim walked to where Pam was (almost unconsciously, I think). You know that Karen was watching them like a hawk. And sure enough, by the end of the episode, she was right there next to Jim again, claiming her space again. She saw something that hustled her right over there.

At Pam's desk, and during the Karen talking head, I didn't see real defeat in Karen's eyes - I saw sort of a bleak resignation. But there was also a set to her chin that makes me think she isn't just going to fade away. If Pam were to do anything obvious (even to do something as seemingly innocent as to approach Jim to tell him about her art), I think that would trigger a much more decisive response from Karen.

Just watch her if she gets pushed - the writers wouldn't have shown us this super-competitive, aggressive streak that she has unless there was some reason. I just think warrior Karen hasn't heard the call of battle begin. Yet. Pam makes a move, and it will move into Defcon 1.


(This was a message from your local Spokeswoman of Warriors. Thank you.)

You and me, we make a fine team!!!

You put into words just what I wanted to say!!

Agreed, she just has not been pushed yet. ( she was in a group setting as well, she was not going to act out or anything)

Like I said I think Karen was defeted just to the point that she sees she really does not belong here!!

This makes my theory complete.. Karen will only "back down" so far.

WOS and PH, First, let me say I love, love your posts and I agree with you guys to some degree, but I have to add that I just don't see what is in it for her. Why would she want to fight a losing battle? Yes, Jim is a wonderful, attractive, quasi-successful guy, but there are other guys like that and she is not a Cyclops--she could easily meet someone else.

She is not in love with Jim and therefore, I don't think she has it in her to fight for him knowing that his heart is taken by someone else.

I don't think she realized the depth of Jim's feelings and history with Pam until it was thrust in front of her in TN and ST. I think she suspected based on minimal information and was trying to get a better handle on it; hence, asking Jim if he "still has feelings for her" in TR and confronting Pam in BF. But the events of TN and ST really gave her a clear picture of what she is up against.

If she is truly honest with herself and wants to keep her self respect, I think she will walk away. I also think she will ultimately be happy for Jim and Pam.

Even a true warrior would know when she's been beat--I think! It's time for her to cut her losses and move on with her head held high.

I think this is why we need the next episode! Akward brought up a good point on the JP!!

So back here in two weeks??

It's a date!

Let's make it a potluck. I will bring the homemade potato salad.


This is what I posted in regard to Karen, Jim and Pam on the JP thread.

ST sets up a very sticky situation for the remainder of the season. Jim has let Pam back in. He thinks he has let Pam the friend in, but Pam is evolving into Pam the soulmate or FNB. FNB is not going to just let Jim go this time without a fight. Karen is not quite ready to give up either. At the end of ST Jim is standing with Pam on one side and Karen on the other. This symbolism is important. Jim let Pam in so he now has two women in his life and he is trapped in the middle. Getting out of this one will be interesting, especially when he still has all those unresolved emotions to work through. It seems like a break from the angst, but it is really just setting up the trouble to come.


I do not think Karen will attack Pam overtly or covertly. If she intended to do so I think she would have during ST. At the end Jim is trapped between Karen and Pam, not Karen standing between Jim and Pam claiming her territory. Karen's last stand will be directed at Jim and forcing him to make some tough decisions. In true warrior form she will demand terms.

OO, you make a very good point here and it did occur to me as I was writing my "Karen the Warrior" post above.

Then it occurred to me that Karen may just be one of those people who fights the fight because they don't like to lose.

Having Jim run back to a "mousy little receptionist" (no awesome career potential, no fabulous suits, really ugly shoes, going nowhere fast) also means that he is choosing to leave "fabulous, career-oriented, upwardly mobile, gorgeous, well tailored Karen." Karen doesn't like to lose, and losing to an enemy that seems "lesser" in so many superficial ways would rankle.

Remember, she was inclined to tear down poor little Pam's art flier - just because. At that point, Pam was with Roy, so she was even less of a threat. But Karen doesn't like the idea of Jim feeding into Pam's hopes at all. I just think there is more than jealousy there... even if Karen knows she isn't winning with Jim, she sure doesn't want to lose.

I kind of agree with both WOS and OfficeObsessed on this one. Karen is definitely not a big fan of losing, and to have Jim ditch her for someone, who on the outside is not suave and sophisticated (regardless of what's on the inside) is going to be a big blow to her ego. I think the self proclamed "awesome girlfriend" is going to have a hard time accepting that Jim would rather be with quiet, sweet Pam than with bold, aggressive Karen. When she called Jim agoraphobic because he didn't want to deal with the Friday night crowd, I think that was an insult wrapped in a joke. She's not interested in a man who would rather stay home instead of going out and displaying to the world they are a couple. She has called all of the shots in the relationship, simply because Jim has needed her to. He was living under the illusion that she was good for him because he was not yet ready to see the truth or face the past. If Jim had been himself when he was with Karen, he would have broken up with her months ago as simply as he did with Katy. So she has stuck around, trying to goad Jim into being who he isn't and now that Jim is ever so s-l-o-w-l-y emerging from his Casino Night coma, she is realizing she is fighting a losing battle.

I agree with OfficeObsessed that I saw resignation in her face and eyes during the jelly bean betting scene. As others have said, Jim didn't appear all that embarassed by Kevin's comments. To me Karen's face look read something like "wow, he really did have something special with her, there is no way I am going to be able to compete with the past, maybe I should let him go" I think that might be the reason why she not only didn't velcro herself to Jim's side during Michael's time on the roof, she no doubt watched him stand with Pam the whole time and in order to get an "outside perspective" of the two of them together.

I disagree and I agree. I disagree in that I feel that Karen's heart is totally into her relationship with Jim. She has put an awful lot of effort into it and she won't let it go easily. I do agree that she will put up one heck of a fight.

Wow, reading these posts makes me realize what a complex and unpredictable character Karen is... I think it's going to be really difficult to come up with any concrete idea of what the writers have in store for her.

I think Karen is, without question, the most motivated and driven person on the show. She is also among the more intelligent. I may be shooting in the dark here, but I'm pretty confident she recognizes what Pam is doing, and she is mimicking her passive behavior. She understands she can't win this with brute force and overtly claiming her territory like she did before, and so she's changing it up. Standing in the parking lot away from Jim allowed her to observe from afar and calculate exactly what she's up against... as much as it would be a good idea for her to move on and although she probably even knows that, she's a winner and she's not going to back down like a beaten dog.

If she has a heart she will back down and I think she has a bigger heart than most people give her credit for having.

I feel so hypocritical because I was definitely on the "Karen Bashing Bandwagon"...before ST. I don't know, but it was something in her eyes or just the look of resignation on her face. It was like "I give up." IMHO, I think we will see a softer side of Karen soon and that she will leave quietly and on good terms with both Jim and Pam.

Only time will tell!

I agree that Karen is probably more driven than Pam. But something makes me hesitant to predict that she'll fight for Jim.

Remember when she was looking for the Herr's chips? She gave up pretty quickly, and in fact kinda made fun of Jim for his persistence. I think Karen likes Jim and would like the relationship to work. And she may be willing to do little things to keep the relationship going (pulling down a flier, which is like the couple calls for Herr's chips that she and Jim made), or even mid-level things (like confronting Pam in Ben Franklin, which parallels calling a place in Canada and speaking in French). But at some point, all the time and effort is going to drag her down, just like she got tired of hunting chips and just wanted to get back to her job.

I am not saying that Karen won't fight for Jim - she showed it by doing the territorial hug and what I mentioned above. But just like she got tired of looking for chips and didn't want to take extra steps, she'll get tired of fighting for Jim and, IMO won't go to great lengths to keep him.

OfficeObsessed! I see what you are saying. I saw the realization in her eyes in TN and the resignation in ST. Karen is close to giving up, but she is not quite there. I think she watched Jim and Pam in the parking lot assessing the deepness of their connection. Whatever she saw it was not enough to discourage her completely. The last time we see Karen she is standing next to Jim making a subtle play for his attention. This is why I think her last stand will be with Jim, not Pam. If she were cold hearted, she would go after Pam and try to destroy the enemy. I do not see her doing this at this point. She does have a heart, as you suggest, and she will put herself out there one more time with Jim. She needs to do this so she can walk away knowing she has done everything she could to make it work with Jim.




This is an excellent point. Karen is getting tired and she will want to get back to her life outside Scranton.

Wow! Lots of great stuff going on in this thread. I have not been here in a while.

Sorry, there just aren't that many Jims out there.


Yeah, I think she could possibly give him an ultimatum.


Great insight on Karen's competetive nature. And I love the "ugly shoe" comment! But you forgot her Grandma cardigans.


Yeah, Jim has been kind of numb, and this is really the first episode where we've seen something of the real Jim since CN. I love the metaphor of the CN coma - good call. One of Karen's problems was that she thought she was getting to know the real Jim - the Jim that likes to do all the same things she does. Unfortunately, Jim was doing those things just to keep from being alone and buried his true pain.


I disagree about Karen being the most motivated and driven on the show. I think Dwight and Kelly show much more drive than she does. I still think she isn't good at her job. She is obviously not a people person, she was incompetent and disorganized in Stamford, and I think she is going to be the one who made the 10,000/10 reams of paper error. I think she is only motivated as it pertains to Jim. Interesting that you used the word calculate to describe her bahavior - I think she is very calculating when it comes to Jim, she just isn't very successful.

here's what I posted in the ST thread


Also, I bought some Herr's chips yesterday. You can't hate me anymore than I hate myself.

I have to give it to you when it comes to Dwight, he definitely is more motivated. I'm gonna have to disagree on Kelly though, Angela was getting the reports from Toby's desk and it sounded like the reams of paper conversation came from behind the Annex wall... which would mean Kelly made that error. Sure, Karen goofed off in CT, but she has a really professional attitude, clothing choice, and ethic now that she's in Scranton... I donno, I'm open to criticism, that's just my perception.

That is an excellent point.


No doubt about that! My husband knows if Jim walked in our door, I'd be gone!! However, I don't think that Karen really knows the true Jim. At least not the Jim that Pam knows. I also don't think she would appreciate the true Jim.

I have to agree here, the "Jim" that's Karen's boyfriend is not the Jim that confessed his love to Pam last May. He's a little more serious, less outgoing, a wee bit cynical, and is basically on emotional auto-pilot. Being more serious and and a little cynical herself, this works for Karen (except maybe the emotional auto-pilot part). She also hasn't been too receptive to some of the "True Jim" qualities, especially pranking. Her "I don't know this place as well as I thought I did" statement was very telling, I definitely think Jim was included in that.

I'm probably going to get killed for the following statement, being my first one and all, but I really like Karen!

I like her even more than I like Pam. Yes, That's right! You all heard me!

Imho, Karen and Jim make a good couple, and they are probably a way better couple than Jim and Pam would be. Jim is a shy fellow that has a hard time explaining his emotions and feelings.
Pam is also one that is a bit "careful" in terms of relationships and feelings.
Karen however is a bit more "brave" when it comes to such things, therefor she is a great counter-balance for Jim, as Jim and Pam probable would have some communication problems.

I say: Karen is good for Jim! Besides, if Jim and Pam ended up with each other, it would be so hollywood-ish.

welcome to the boards! And we love all opinions!! We need more " Karen is awesome" people here. My love of Karen can only go so far. IIMO i am Pam Halpert I am a little bias

Just make sure you go to the de-lurking thread to introduce yourself to everyone!!

And agian welcome to the boards and I look forward to hearing more wonderful things about Karen!!

Importance, welcome to the boards!

I agree that Karen brings out qualities in Jim that are positive. If Jim had stayed away from Scranton (Pam) and allowed a relationship with Karen to grow slowly and naturally they could have a happy and successful long term relationship. Karen never really had a chance the moment Jim decided to return to Scranton and use her as a shield. It is unfortunate that Karen has taken so long to realize why Jim encouraged her to take the transfer and feigned felicity with her. This self preserving foolishness has made her look a bit pathetic and catty.

In real life, when two people have hurt each other as much as Jim and Pam, there is rarely a happy ending. This is television, hollywood-ish is the name of the game.

I don't either. I also don't think she would have been particularly interested in pursuing him in the first place.


This is television?
Welcome to the boards, Importance.

Yes, welcome to the madness, Importance! And you are not alone Pamcasso, I have to remind myself everyday that we are obsessed with ficticious characters on a TV show...and then I go back to my JAM coma.

Anyway, it's good to have some pro-Karen blood here to play devil's advocate, but IMHO--Jim shines when with Pam and flounders with Karen. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

A little elf left this thought on my door step over a week ago. I thought we would all find it very interesting and so I am going to share it with you!!!


Betting on the amount of jellybeans = Jaren

Karen’s strategy for betting on the amount of jellybeans was “smart”, but it didn’t work. Karen thought she was being smart in her relationship with Jim, insert the many things she has done to keep Jaren alive, but it won't* work.


This shows the strategy Karen has taken which is smart and logical. She went with the text book aproach being "that person"

Where as Jim did not even think he guessed from the heart, and from years of experience. It shows the true nature of both of them and how they are not compatible in the end.


( and if we are going for the full effect you could even say that whole Pam thinking Karen was smart was not enough in the end,because in the end Jim, your heart was the one that wins!)


Take the ideas you get and fun with them!!
~Pam

There's been some "talk" about our "friend" Karen on the JP board, so I thought I'd bump this thread to the top in case anyone wants to discuss her demise exit.

I'm realizing I should probably put Karen jabberings here. I'll catch up on the last couple weeks when I get some time. For now let me just say that the woman's behavior fascinates me. What IS her motivation? Does she actually like Jim? If so, why - it's not like he's ever shown much interest (unless you consider waving his cell phone while she makes an *** out of herself at PW). I just don't get what's making her put so much into this Jim thing - yeah, he's cute and charming, but she should know enough about the world to realize this guy's not actually thinking about her very much. GAWD.

^^^When you read through this thread, you'll feel right at home.

I also think that KarentheJimSlayer has one more move up her sleeve. She sat back and watched the JAM interaction, and now she's going to make a play to keep Jim. I see her confronting Pam again alone, and asking her what the he11 she's doing smiling so much at HER boyfriend. This is our chance for FNB to shine and exact revenge for the stealth attack of BF. Pam could simply smile and say that she's just being friendly; what's Karen so worried about? Are you having problems with Jim? In this way Pam can be subtle, but still get a little dig in about JAREN. This will worry Karen as this isn't the meek, quick to back down Pam from before.

^^^How about if FNB just punches her in the nose!

Lol! Karen is just wrong for Jim, and he'll fully realize it pretty soon. As I said before, if Karen was a guy I don't even think Jim would be friends with her.

That said, her character has served it's purpose. She has served as a security blanket for Jim while he was recovering from CN & Pam, and a wake up call for Pam while she grew beyond Roy and came to terms with her feelings for Jim.