For years, Law and Order, all the various versions, has been my favorite show having a background in the law, bar none. For all those years I have been unhappy with the constant barrage of liberal messages, ALWAYS LIBERAL, i.e., abortion, immigration, the poor folks who subscribe to Islam and on and on, but I managed to overlook the propaganda. I watched last night as the bleeding heart mentality of this show just sent me over the top. This particular episode whined the position that the illegal immigrants are victims as are the poor members of the religion who declared war against us. So be it. I have watched my last episode. If you think that's a good marketing technique I've got news. What's really obscene is the paycheck you probably receive for such a narrow view on how to attract an audience.

You whack jobs in Hollywood could take a lesson from the Conservatives in your community. They have the intelligence to recognize that they're in an industry which is trying to get the largest audience possible so they abstain from shooting their mouths off when to do so is guaranteed to anger 50% of the viewers. How hard is that for you geniuses to figure out?

It's too bad, it's a great show otherwise, but I refuse to subsidize such blatant attempts at altering the thinking of the viewers to the detriment of our country. I'm through with all three versions. Good luck as you continue to preach to the choir.

A relatively small group of radical Muslim terrorists declared war against America and not all of Islam. In fact, after 9/11 most of the major Muslim organizations in the United States denounced the attacks.

Also, I don't think that Jack was overly sympathetic to the band of illegal immigrants who he had deported to pressure the witness.

My point is that Law & Order usually does a pretty good job of representing both sides of the coin, although more so in some episodes than in others.

I agree. Some people think verbalizing both points of view means you are advocating one or the other. There are liberal and conservative views both stated on this show. I don't see Fred Thompson as a puppet for the left wing liberals.

But let's face it this is a cop show, not Meet the Press. It's a murder mystery (ok with the writing this year the mystery is not that mysterious but I digress). Usually no one comes across pure and clean. Everyone ends up a little muddy, liberal and conservative alike.

i don't think being liberal is disgusting. Dr. Q, they have a point about the Muslims. A small portion of Muslims declared war on us. for the most part, they're peaceful and generous. i've had several Muslim friends, they weren't the type to bomb anything.

Could not agree more. As they like to say - "ripped from the pages" of your daily newspaper. In the true story, a young actress was brutally murdered by an illegal because he was afraid that this woman would expose him. Law & Order took this story and modified for the PC crowd. The illegal becomes this poor worker yearning to be free and work the jobs Americans will not do. To know him is to love him. He could not kill anyone. Then they threw in, just to be fair and even more PC, a crazed-Muslim who was just misunderstood. To know him is to love him, also. So, who to pick as the murderer? How about the contractor. Yes, this contractor used and abused these illegals, and he must have said, off camera, a disparaging statement about the religion of peace. He was the perfect murderer - an American, a small business owner and possible a Republican. What a scoundral!
Law & Order was a great show at one time. It was a show I never wanted to miss. Now, not so much.

If you watch CI on Tuesday, it was the left wing athiest that committed the murder. I wonder how they let that one slip by. Better have a talk with the writers.

It IS a murder mystery. SOMEONE has to be the killer. This week it was the business man. Next week it is the cab driver or the postman.

Thanks for saving me trouble of composing the exact same notice. I've watched the show since George Dzundza, but after seeing the trouble the producers went to to fix the blame on anyone but the representative perpetrator of the actual crime which was clearly used as the basis for this show, and settling on a white American business owner while taking multiple gratuitous swipes at supposed bias against muslims and hispanics I am done with L&O. I took it off TIVO and will not bother looking again.

"Just about everyone agrees our immigation policy is flawed"? Indeed, if the Federal government was doing it's constitutionally mandated job of protecting the borders that actress in New York killed by an ILLEGAL immigrant would be alive.

The fact is that sometimes the white Christian business owner is going to be the killer and sometimes the tree hugging atheist is going to be the killer. The writers do their best to put new twists into the stories that they "rip from the headlines," so that people do not expect what is coming.

In America, murderers come in all colors and religions. I do not understand why every time that the killer on Law & Order is not a minority, somebody is upset about the show being "too liberal." I don't think Fred Dalton Thompson would remain on a show that is just "liberal propaganda."

I wouldn't call the government we have had in office the last six years liberal. In Florida, our last govenor, Jeb Bush, brother of our President and a conservative, is all about giving illegal aliens driver's liscenses and having everyone stay like one big happy family. (The legislature, knowing it's constituants, decided maybe that wasn't a good idea)

The probelem of illegals has gone unchecked for years, soon to reach a point of critical mass. I would not charcterize this as a conservative vs liberal problem. NEITHER side is really interested in coming up with a solution, if the last 20 years is any indication. Everone talks and talks and nothing gets done.

ITA


What is so disgusting about it?

Yeah! Those Indian-murdering, land-stealing, buffalo-annihilating, smog-producing Illegal Aliens have got to go! That peace pipe idea sucked! Kill us all, Native Ameri--

Oh, wait. We've all but completely genocided you.

As Emily Litella of Early SNL would say, "Never Mind!"

Some people will find political messages in anything...it's so funny that someone thinks these shows are liberal because to me they are so not. The cops and D.A.'s are the heroes, even when they break the rules or violate people's rights. The suspects are usually treated scum, even when they don't turn out to be the killer or rapist. Defense lawyers are often seen as the villains. Can't get much more right-wing than that!

I think as far as the cases go, they do try to show both sides of the issues...as much as is possible in this pro-police framework.

I enjoy all of the Law & Order's for their stories and the actors...that's all I really care about.

If you want blatant left-wing politicizing in your fiction, go watch "Boston Legal". If you want blatant right-wing politicizing, go watch "24". Otherwise, just sit back and enjoy the show!

BTW my mother-in-law just loves Law & Order and watches it all day on TNT and A&E...why not just have one 24-hour L&O channel?


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Well, just for people like you, they have another show that should suit your neo-conish attitude.....it's called "24". THERE you can have every fear that you can hope to bring thru your brain, elevated to do so! It, for instance, is a very good show, but I refuse to dwell on its neo-conservative, fear-mongering propaganda, and I just enjoy the fact that it is a TV SHOW.....geez.........

You would be surprised to know that in a NYT Magazine article some years back it was revealed the Dick WOlf is actually a republican conservative. Maybe he just wants to show an opposite side!

L&OJunkieCT

I'd left this thread up for awhile, but not sure it serves any purpose other than to antagonize people into a political debate.

Feel free to weigh in and let me know (either here or privately) whether you would like this thread either killed or closed.

rowe

Law and Order has been getting progressively more liberal as the years tick by. I still watch it though and still like it, but its not as good as it was. Although, the Ann Coulter knockoff episode I thought was surprisingly fair to right. But overall the show has been slowly tailored to a more leftish audience. I think it’s more like mission creep then a deliberate effort though.

Face it if you let you political status rule your view of TV you will only be happy half the time with this show. At some point or another they have hit every issue from both sides.

Alas, Dr. Q has it pretty much correct.

I also watched L&O from the beginning -- and watched as it changed from stories about law and order into pieces of Lefty propaganda. I check back now and then hoping the show had remembered what it was supposed to be about, but always my hopes are dashed...

I so agree with you. I have been a fan from the first episode. The last few years, with all the political remarks, have made me not want to watch. I do not believe any reference to the war or the president has anything to do with the shows content. They always seem to put it in the dialog somewhere. Tonights episode with the Christian preacher and the gay man had me going again, I turned it off the first three minutes. Why is it they can bash Christians and their beliefs and get away with it? They tiptoe around all the "liberal" issues but do hesitate to bash what "Hollywood" thinks is wrong. There are many Americans that believe in God and home and family. I am done, and alot of people I know are done, with the show. It has gone from "must see" tv to "must avoid" tv. Sorry Mr. Wolf, but you have taken a very great show and made it into a political platform for your own beliefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/haggard.a...ions/index.html

These are few links to the story on Ted Haggard, former reverend and the "ripped from the headlines" story used as the basis for this episode. Liberal or conservative, if you make the news for being that big a hypocrit, it's going to be a story.

No one is bashing Christians. You should be upset with this hypocritical lying son of a so and so for his actions instead of L&O for doing what they have been doing for the last 17 years. Ripping stories from the headlines. If he was a liberal caught in a compromising, hypocritical position L&O would have made a story out of that too. It's a story, it's in the headlines.

I don't consider this man to be a Christian. He is a a lying, cheating coward who uses religon as a cover to mask the fact that he has no morals or scruples. I bought the drugs but never used them??? Please like anything he says has any credibility. His position is such that he needs to set a moral example. It wasn't a one time indescretion but a three year long affair. He never asked for help or spiritual guidance from anyone until he got caught lying. I feel sorry for his wife and kids. He still can't tell the truth. Yes I'm sure he is sorry. Just like any other lier and cheater he's sorry. He's sorry he got caught.

Don't allow this man to be confused with millions of people who believe in Christianity and do their best to follow it's path. Why you would think to defend him by saying they are bashing Christians is beyond me. He's a jerk. L&O did a story on a jerk, not on Christians.

When I watched the season premiere of Law & Order I had a very hard time not being constantly distracted by the very large graphic advertising The Apprentice that NBC rudely stuck in the bottom corner of the screen for the ENTIRE TWO HOURS!

A friend told me that when they watched SVU they were subjected to watch two girls in bikinis run across the bottom of the screen advertising The Biggest Loser.

I live in NYC and am new to posting on fan sites so I apologize if this has been discussed before. If anyone knows of any other fan site where I can post a complaint please let me know.

I agree---that WAS annoying. NBC is constantly doing that during TV programs. Then again, that's the case for a lot of other channels too. For instance, TNT. I'll be watching a L&O rerun when that lady from The Closer shows up out of nowhere in the corner, obnoxiously holding her flashlight in my face. Gosh.

They need to put Jack McCoy back in front of the juries. His arguments were one of the best part of the show. Please NBC get someone elected to the DA office and put Jack back were he is at his best.
I know Jack McCoy and Linus Roache is no Jack McCoy.

Here Here!! I found the new ADA to be over the top. He just didn't fit & the character is highly irritating. At least McCoy had more air time than Branch did as DA... I suspect the writers & producers knew that audience would not like seeing only very short scenes with McCoy.

Like they say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" Well, Law and Order wasn't broken but they fixed it anyway. Don't care for the new format at all. I guess I'll stick to the old reruns!

I have my dvr set up to record all Law and Order reruns. I had rather watch them as watch Jack McCoy sit in a office chair and Connie sit beside someone that can not act. She looks totally bewildered during the whole show. What a shame.

This is my first and probably my only time to visit this forum. I was so annoyed by the last episode's blatant anti-Christian bias that I did a google search today just to find someplace to complain about it. I've been increasingly annoyed by one more liberal-biased story after another over the years I've watched the shows, but I agree that they've now gone over the top. In the last few days I watched the two spin-offs' latest episodes and thought a) the anti-Christian & liberal bias has taken over completely and b) the writing is so bad it's cartoonish. So I decided not to bother with them anymore but to just enjoy the main show, which because of past experience I expected to be better. I tuned in to it a little late, and the very first thing I heard was that some crazy Christian hate group was a suspect. CLICK. No more Law & Order for me.

Has anyone been able to predict the perpetrators and victims in the opening scenes simply by appearances? If not, start paying attention... my daughter and I are 100% accurate. A white woman that holds a position of authority or has money is portrayed as cold, jealous, and frequently a lunatic and is almost always the direct or indirect perpetrator of a horrific crime. Even last week a wealthy white woman choose to live on the street and manipulated a man into killing another woman to protect a secret. If a young black male is investigated, he is falsely accused or committed the crime due to an injustice perpetrated against him or his family. Tonight's show, "Drive" was absurd! White boys, in an integrated community attacking an A-A boy with bats, being encouraged by their mother... I used to watch this show because it was realistic, now it seems like an all out attack focused on women.

Last week's show started with a male calling a woman a "Bitch." It is not acceptable to make derogatory comments toward women, just like it is not acceptable to make derogatory comments directed at any other minority group. L & O is one of the biggest offenders, using words like *****, bitch, and ****.

Sam Waterston as the DA is just a waste of a talented actor. Furthermore I am sick of L&O writing off characters with out any type of explaination. Linus Roache's character is completely unappealing. I really miss Milena Govich (Det Cassady). She wasn't the best actress the show has ever seen but she really grew on me. She and Jesse Martin had a great chemistry.

Maybe it's the writer's strike, I don't know. But this season is bad. The dialogue is a little weak, but that's not the important part. I've been watching regularly (and watching back episodes whenever I could) for about six years. Usually, the legal questions are at least interesting--inevitable discovery, ethical questions, interesting (if somewhat liberally applied) affirmative defenses. The episodes I've seen this season have featured such cunning legal strategies as 1) (the season premiere) guilt tripping a man into self-incrimination by emotionally blackmailing his daughter, and 2) (1/23) joining criminal trials to make a statement about racism--which, by the way totally dismissed an entirely valid defense of others claim, just to find the guy guilty, so the jury could say "they're both responsible."

What used to be at least a reasonably subtle show turned, in basically one episode, into a ham-handed hack job. Even the sets changed--the DA's offices went from rich, wood-paneled walls to (admittedly more realistic) key-lime green 70's institutional paint.

Please, cancel the show now, or at least go on hiatus until you can get decent writers back. If you quit now people may be willing to forget these episodes as a bad dream. If you play out the current season the way it's going now, the show will become not only an embarrassment, but an outright parody of the program that's been one of the most entertaining shows on television for nearly two decades.

I agree. Jack McCoy IS L&O. I was completely taken aback when I saw the new ADA. I even considered removing the show from my DVR. It is one of the worst directions the show could have taken.

i hate lionel roach, and i miss and Nina Cassady (Milena Govich)...sam waterson, the lieautenant,detective green and ms rubirosa are the only character left that i like, im not happy with the show!

Have noted a tendency toward more graphis scenes that are unnecessary to get the point across. The older, more imaginative formula worked for years (see a crime scene, not as graphic-but use your imagination and get the point). Maybe the more extreme graphics are contributing to the falling ratings. Part of the attraction to the show always has been good acting and "using your imagination" to try to figure out the "who done it"...I think the blood and guts scenes are just more of what other shows tried that didn't work for them AND DETRACT from the story (really turns the female audience off and drops the "family" ratings).

Sorry but this Linus is a terrible actor and he's completely distracting to the entire show. I've got no idea why they cast him... Everyone else is terrific, but everytime he's on the screen I just want to throw something at the TV! Actually, I'm considering not watching it until they replace him.

I do feel kinda bad about this, I mean he is trying to make a living, but Law & Order has loyal fans and a great cast; Hiring an actor like him brings down the quality of the entire show.

Cheers!

All i have to say is this is crazy!! From changing Det. Green's partners like changing your underwear to where budget cuts have to take turn to Jesse leaving law & order this really kicks rocks for real. I want the abby to come back but she's doing Women's Murder Club ( by the way is a good show!) And for Lionel he is a newbie I have to say just give him time and he should fall into place he is no Jack McCoy but a chance is so Lionel do a good job. I really really really want Jesse to stay but if he has to go I'm coming with...

Am I missing something here , I didn't hear anything about Jesse leaving after this season . Please tell me this is all old news and not new news.

Prohibition did not work in 1920-1933 and it does not work when the second amendment is in place and has been in place since 1787. New York City causes it's own problems when they outlaw guns in direct
contradiction to the second amendment while bordering states are not so foolish as to break constitutional law. Law and Order makes it sound like the rest of the states are the foolish ones and New York is the only "smart" state. If New York wants to write it's own US constitution then it should form itself into an independent country and that would be just fine with most of the rest of the United States. Fortunately soon the Supreme Court will overturn the foolish decision of Washington DC to break the second amendment law and that will force New York City to move into the 21st century and give it's citizens back the rights that New York City wrongfully took away from them.
It is a proven fact that when you take guns away from honest citizens with ridiculous laws, criminals thrive and continue to arm themselves, which weakens citizens rights even further and makes things more difficult for law enforcement, not easier.
A society without gun rights is a weak society of defenseless prey controlled by those with guns.

To: President of NBC & the Producers of Law & Order.
On February 13, 2008, NBC aired an episode of Law and Order titled "Illegal". The plotline of the episode was a NYPD Auxiliary Police officer shooting a gun into a crowd of innocent civilians at a peaceful protest, killing a woman. In the episode, numerous derogatory statements against the Auxiliary Police were said, including calling a Auxiliary Officer a "wannabe", and saying they are not "real cops".

On behave of the members of The New York State Association of Auxiliary Police, we feel these statements and this episode are a slap in the face to the Auxiliary police program, and a complete disrespect to all Auxiliary officers. Auxiliary police officers are volunteers from the local communities, serving without pay. They patrol the streets in full police uniform while on patrol and they run the same risk of getting injured or killed as regular paid officers. Auxiliary Police in New York State operate under the authority of the Defense Emergency Act of 1951. Most are trained and registered with the NYS Department or Criminal Justice as Peace Offices. There are Auxiliary Police in all 50 states, with over 7,000 in NY State. There are Auxiliary Police in Canada and Puerto Rico too. We responded to the needs of the NYPD and other Police departments on 9/11/01 and again to the Blackout of 2003. Two NYPD Auxiliary officers gave their lives protecting the public on March 14 last year bringing the total to 8 officers killed in the line of duty in NYC. I find it insulting that you would portray these Volunteers as anything other then as heroes.

We demand NBC apologize to the members of the NYPD Auxiliary and have an episode of Law and Order that positively represents the NYPD Auxiliary and all Volunteer Peace Officers. We feel that the episode "Illegal" was not a accurate representation of the Auxiliary police in many ways, and feel that the Auxiliary police and its officers deserves a proper representation on Law and Order.

For more info please visit our webpage www.auxiliary-police.org

Glenn J. Kearney
President,
New York State Association of Auxiliary Police

To Dick Wolf:
Re: Anthony Anderson

Dear Mr. Wolf,

I have been a fan of Law and Order for some time. I have watched episodes dating back to the George Duzunda days and have enjoyed the show immensely. I have never taken issue with a casting choice until now. Anthony Anderson is a no-talent, overacting hack. I have never once seen him in anything (movie, TV, etc) that he did not make putrid with his hamming and poor acting skills. If he is chosen as the new actor to play one of the main detectives I vow NEVER to watch this show again. Anthony Anderson is like Midas with the exception being that everything he touches turns to excrement. Please avoid the mistake of turning many loyal fans off of the show by making a horrific choice of actor to replace Jesse Martin. Mr Martin has been a joy to watch over the years and I am sorry to see an actor of his caliber depart. Replacing him with Anderson would be a pill too bitter to swallow

-Loyal Viewer

I agree 100%. I have been watching L&O for a long time and can't say I would continue watching with the addition of Anderson.

Is it just me or has Law and Order opted for lighting their sets as if the station house or just about everything else seems very dark? Recently the medical examiner's office seemed as if it couldn't afford electricity. Shows of earlier years didn't have this kind of lighting where, for example, half of a face is lit . It's not dramatic, it's annoying.

I agree. Did the casting guys ever watch K'ville? He stunk on ice. I've watched the show from day 1, but I won't watch AA in anything.

I AGREE WITH MERCATOR

Just a reminder...



JD/Forum Moderator

As someone who wears the uniform and deals with the real life characters in the show, it’s sometimes tough watching the show and suspending disbelief. Some mistakes are obvious while others are not. If you live or work in New York, you’re probably able to differentiate between a traffic agent and a police officer. While their uniforms are similar, traffic agents wear white hats, have different badges, wear light blue shirts and orange traffic vests that say “Traffic” on them. Very often on the show, we see transgressions. Tonight’s show, (2/27) depicted a traffic agent in the tow pound wearing a traffic agent uniform with a police officer’s badge. Not long ago, there was a cop arrested while wearing an orange traffic agent vest.

But these mistakes go beyond simple costume errors. When folks are arraigned, the DA handling the arraignment is never the same DA prosecuting the case. Yet ever case ever shown on Law & Order depicts the prosecuting ADA in the court room personally handling the arraignment. The Law & Order ADAs are something very special. They also do the majority of pretrial investigation. In reality, the ADA has their own detective squad.

It seems that as the show has gone on, a more “Hollywood” approach has been taken. The original detectives were more realistic to me than any of the current ones. I suppose had I never known as many real police detectives as I have, the current cast would seem realistic.

I could go on but what’s the point. I do hope however that the executive staff will do their part to pay a little more attention to reality in an effort to make the show a little more realistic.

totally agree , this shows has survived many changes in cast. but if you dont put mccoy back in the court room. this could be your last season. suggest you bring back previous ADA protrayed by Moriarty as new DA

I think McCoy will be back eventually but hey don't bash Linus he does a good job and does anyone else think he looks like James Woods' cousin. Jus thrwoing that out there.

He looks just like his father (Ken on "Coronation Street") — the eyes! the hair!

Well, Dr. Q. ... sure got you going. Imagine if the show was all pleasing with its episode subject matter, then what would you have to bitch vent about. Considering the source (Hollywood) it seems unlikely there will be a right winged Republican feel to this show. Lighten up. Now don’t go trying to determine my politics based on my verbal bashing of you, because you might just be wrong. Remember, it’s only TV and the wonderful thing about having freewill and living in America is that you don’t have to watch it. L8R.

Well L&O did it again! And on the Anniversary of Two Auxiliaires Deaths!
And only 4 weeks after showing it before.
Don't tell me you didn't have any other episodes to show!
This was intentionally done to insult the NYPD Auxiliary for personal reasons!



NYSAAP would like to make the following statement public.
This is a copy of our letter to NBC


To: President of NBC & the Producers of Law & Order.

On February 13, 2008, and again on March 15, 2008 NBC aired an episode of Law and Order titled "Illegal". The plotline of the episode was a NYPD Auxiliary Police officer shooting a gun into a crowd of innocent civilians at a peaceful protest, killing a woman. In the episode, numerous derogatory statements against the Auxiliary Police were said, including calling a Auxiliary Officer a "wannabe", and saying they are not "real cops".

On behave of the members of The New York State Association of Auxiliary Police, we feel these statements and this episode are a slap in the face to the Auxiliary police program, and a complete disrespect to all Auxiliary officers. Auxiliary police officers are volunteers from the local communities, serving without pay. They patrol the streets in full police uniform while on patrol and they run the same risk of getting injured or killed as regular paid officers. Auxiliary Police in New York State operate under the authority of the Defense Emergency Act of 1951. Most are trained and registered with the NYS Department or Criminal Justice as Peace Offices. There are Auxiliary Police in all 50 states, with over 7,000 in NY State. There are Auxiliary Police in Canada and Puerto Rico too. We responded to the needs of the NYPD and other Police departments on 9/11/01 and again to the Blackout of 2003. Two NYPD Auxiliary officers gave their lives protecting the public on March 14 last year bringing the total to 8 officers killed in the line of duty in NYC. I find it insulting that you would portray these Volunteers as anything other then as heroes.

We demand NBC apologize to the members of the NYPD Auxiliary and have an episode of Law and Order that positively represents the NYPD Auxiliary and all Volunteer Peace Officers. We feel that the episode "Illegal" was not a accurate representation of the Auxiliary police in many ways, and feel that the Auxiliary police and its officers deserves a proper representation on Law and Order.

For more info please visit our webpage www.auxiliary-police.org

Glenn J. Kearney
President,
New York State Association of Auxiliary Police