HATES THEIR JOB:

1. Stanley. There's not a single thing that he likes about the place. The money is barely enough to make him show up. He hates Michael, period.....Phyllis' perfume, Dwight's antics, Jim's impersonations, Ryan's youth, and Kelly's frivololity.

2. Ryan. You could make a case for Ryan at number one, except that he hasnt been there long enough. Actually, if Ryan percieved that he'd ever be STANLEY'S age and doing that job, then he'd probably start inhaling chlorine. Ryan hates Michael, detests Dwight, dislikes Jim, and abhors Kelly.

3. Jim. But ironically, Jim actually NEEDS the Office for reasons known only to the Office. His revelation that he "misses dwight" was seminal. At his core, Jim is basically shy. A small fish in a small pond. He has no interest in living in New York City, and ultimately will have to face the fact that he's a small town boy at heart. In love with a small town girl. Jim is more like Michael than anyone realizes. They both need the office for different reasons. For Jim it gives him just enough structure to make it through his day. For Michael, it gives him an identity.

4. Oscar. His level of hositility is amusing. He's got "anger management" written all over him.

5. Karen. Now that that catz outta the bag about jim n pam, she must seriously detest her cloying move to scranton into an apartment described as "dark and unlived in"

6. Toby. Toby doesnt get excited enough about anything enough to actually hate it. Or like it for that matter. But dealing with a jealous and vindictive boss has to be the pitts. But he's always got the trump card of actually outranking Michael when it comes down to nuts. And you can see the gleam in his eye when he gets to play Napoleon.

7. Angela. Everyone's a heathen in her world. Except for the lying, manipulative, self decieved, and amoral Dwight. Which apparently says a lot about her.

8. Kevin. He's got nowhere else to be. Nothing else to do. So he might as well be at Dunder Mifflin.

9. Phyllis. Now that the irresistable Bob Vance has ridden in off the rainbow, she has a reason to be at work. Plus, its **** fun to slam peoples fingers into drawers from time to time.

10. Creed. He can entertain himself wherever he is. Thank you very much. Just give him a bag of nuts, or a poster of Victoria's Secret.

11. Todd Packer. "WHATs UP MY NERDZ". If he wasnt selling paper, he'd be working in a strip club.

12. Dwight. Dwight lives for the Office. It has everything he needs: a place to terrorize people with his guerilla lifestyle tactics and an outlet for his eccentricities. The backdrop of the boring paper company is immaterial. Dwight would probably turn violent without Dunder Mifflin.

13. Michael would be dead within two years if he had been fired as Manager of Dunder Mifflin. Or if the branch had been closed. The Office is as "Good as it Gets" for this clueless wonder. Same deal as Jack Nicholson landing Helen Hunt, and Jan Brady dating Davy Jones. Its all downhill from here, as they say, or in the words of Dwight: "You'll be paying this condo off in your mid seventies". Exactly.

...what about andy? and jan? where do they fit in?

I know Ryan hates his job. He only stays because he needs the $$$ for his precious business school.

Michael loves his job the most. He was so loyal to D-M in Business School; it really was kinda touching...

I resent that.

Dwight loves his job the most. He goes in and waters the plants. And without the Office Dwight would not get to spend a lot of time with Angela.

abhors? That's a pretty strong word to say the guy feels about his girlfriend.


I'm not going to get into it in detail, but I don't think you can say that Ryan abhors Kelly.

What about Pam?
Roy?
Darryl?

OVEN MITT!

He was only analyzing the characters he thinks hate/love their job. He wasn't talking about all the characters.

And, I don't think it really matters how many posts you have when you want to add something....it just would be nice to have the poster stick around to discuss, or come back and discuss.

Maybe he'll be back to do more.

Thank you Bailey.

agreed. There are times when he loves her

example: Branch Closing: "I don't know. Can't explain it."

And when he got into the dumpster with her, instead of walking away.

I don't want to (but I will) debate Ryan's feelings for Kelly, because they are very confusing. But, he just doesn't abhor her. He may not be on the same page with her most of the time, or she drives him crazy, or there are time when she annoys him, or he dislikes what she represents, but I don't think there is evidence to say he detests the girl. There are also moments of tenderness and love.

I agree. I think Ryan cares for Kelly, I don't necessarily know that he loves her. Ryan is pretty shallow and self-absorbed so I'm not sure he really loves anyone other than himself. Don't get me wrong, I love Ryan, but am not sure he's ever had a loving relationship. During their little interaction in the break room of BF when she asked if he thought the stripper was hot and he goes "don't do that, you know what you're doing", that was the first time I thought he showed signs of having something other than just a physical connection with her.

Does that make sense?

I don't know, I think he was maybe thinking she was trying to back him into a corner and say that she wasn't prettier and he didn't find her attractive.

Yes, totally!

Though, I've seen other connections before that one. I do agree with your Ryan assessment.


Who is the 'she' you are refering too?

Kelly was trying to goad Ryan into a confession of sorts about what he thought of the stripper. A tactic typical for some woman to do. Ryan wasn't going to fall for the trap. He knew what Kelly was doing and wasn't going to play the game, so he stopped it. That's a very good thing for the relationship.

was talking about the stripper. You really think those two actually care for each other? I'm sorry but I believe the realtionship was a easy hook up and now ryan can't get out with out hurting kelly. He's in it but not cause he's in love with her

Yes, I do believe Ryan cares for Kelly. I believe there are times when that is buried deep down, and there are times when it's right there for us to see. I also believe that Ryan is lazy and stays because it's convenient....but I also think there is something more there other times. Basically, Ryan's motivations for being with Kelly are wishy washy. Somtimes they are good, sometimes not good. He can't explain why he stays, I don't think we're totally supposed to understand it either.

The reason why I maintain that there is some form of Ryan caring for Kelly is because we have been shown glimpses of it. Their relationship isn't all negative.

If he didn't care about her, he wouldn't care about her feelings, and would have put his foot down to end it. But, now comes the laziness and convenience again.....and the cycle of confusion starts again.

Also- I refuse to believe that someone would be that cruel and selfish to use someone for sex for over a year, when they know full well what the other person's intentions and feelings are for them. That may make me naive, but I don't believe that is what the writers are trying to portray. If that was so, they wouldn't have shown the sweet side of Ryan/Kelly.

I know how I'd like the relationship to play out, but it may end badly. I can see it going either way, because Ryan is so up and down about it. Their relationship isn't ideal, but it could work out...or not.

when my friends and I talk about ryan and kelly, it's like 2 different relationships happening. Ryan said agreed to have fun, and kellys idea is getting married and having babies. I don't think that they are as close as what it's made out to be an that ryan can't be a total jerk cause he works there in the office with her to just dump her would make him a huge jerk. kelly is a bit naive and doesn't see what others see. Pam had to scold ryan on one occasion.

It might how ever lead to some great office break up moments. I say it cause not everyone can have a happy office relationship and theirs was rocky to start.

You're talking all season 2 moments. Things have changed.

Ryan's been a jerk to most other people in the office, I don't see why Kelly should be the exception. He's tried to break-up with her, he just doesn't try very hard, or he backs down from actually doing it. Why is that?

But, yes, Kelly is naive about parts of their relationship. Not everything though. She knows things aren't perfect.

well ryan did break up with her in season 3. I point things out from season 2 cause thats when they got together. And kelly cried and ryan told her it wouldn't work out. But when they learned they weren't shut down she was all we dont have to break up. Now even if he said if the office wasn't being shut down, any normal woman would have seen that signal loud and clear.

I don't think anyone comes close to Stanley, with the possible exception of Toby. Remember in Branch Closing, Stanley was all set to leave and was feeling really great about it. But he's also the type who seems not to like much of anything, unless he can laugh at it (like Ryan's solo sales call), so it's hard to say how much he hates it there as opposed to any other thing he dislikes. Toby will probably still get to Costa Rica or whereever it was, but he's so miserable that it's hard to tell if working at DM is any more or less depressing than anything else.

The other characters? Some might not like it (Ryan, Angela) and some probably just put up with it (Darryl, Meredith, Jim?) cuz it's a job. But some actually seem to like it there (Michael, Dwight, Pam if Jim's there, Phyllis because BV, VR, is right next door). Karen would leave in a heartbeat if Jim and Pam got together, so you can't count her as happy. Andy is so obsessed with getting ahead that he'd stay no matter what happens, as long as he can benefit from it. Creed...hard to say. Jan...even harder. Kelly doesn't care - as long as whoever she's in love with this week is around, that's all she cares about. And once he kills Jim, Roy will be somewhat not displeased again....

So everyone has their level of happiness / unhappiness.

I have to say Dwight Kurt Schrute beats Michael Gary Scott for the title of "Most Loyal DM Employee". And it's not really close. I submit, for your consideration, these findings ...

1. Dwight never takes vacations or celebrate any holidays (TS). Michael does (BFV).

2. Dwight is always "on-call" for any current DM client (TS). Michael almost certainly celebrate some holidays (BFV).

3. Dwight's life dream is to one day die at his desk while working at DM (TS). Michael's life dream is to have many children with Jan, with all the tickling and the giggling (Ct).

4. Dwight always comes in extra early to water the plants and arrange Michael's toys (TR). Michael comes in late frequently (The Secret).

5. Dwight was willing to turn on Michael (his idol) in order to make Dunder-Mifflin more efficient (TC). Michael has never been able to fire Dwight for the good of the company.


All these facts outweigh the one time when Dwight did display disloyalty to DM: S2's Halloween and his talking head segment where he yaps about going somewhere they value more than at DM. A slip of the tongue is all that turned out to be.

So all hail Dwight: the most loyal employee to Dunder-Mifflin ever!