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Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.
I wanted to create this topic because I've noticed a few JAM flans who are suffering. Our beloved Dunder Mifflin couple has suffered greatly this season. There has been a lack of loving looks, pranking and physical contact. Also, even though we are proud of Pam for her assertiveness in the Break Room of Doom in The Negotiation, the negative JAM atmosphere is getting to some of us.

So, I'm hoping that if you are on the ledge about to jump when it comes to JAM, please come here. Here is the place where we can talk it out, think positive thoughts and get some JAM therapy to better ourselves.

I also want to direct everyone to the Pam Dichotomy and Jim Paradox threads. The wise Scrantonbranch is very gifted at pumping everyone up when it comes to Mr. Halpert and Miss Beesly.

Soooo, I guess we can run this like a kind of group therapy session. Does anyone want to start?
poorman'sMichaelScott
Closer to You

Broken by our very own ladama

And my fav "hating-Karen" vid is also by ladama: Don't Think of Me

These are helping me out. Anyone have any new vids with The Negotiation ?
officerules06
QUOTE (Beeswax Not Yours Inc. @ Apr 9 2007, 04:18 PM) *
I wanted to create this topic because I've noticed a few JAM flans who are suffering. Our beloved Dunder Mifflin couple has suffered greatly this season. There has been a lack of loving looks, pranking and physical contact. Also, even though we are proud of Pam for her assertiveness in the Break Room of Doom in The Negotiation, the negative JAM atmosphere is getting to some of us.

So, I'm hoping that if you are on the ledge about to jump when it comes to JAM, please come here. Here is the place where we can talk it out, think positive thoughts and get some JAM therapy to better ourselves.

Soooo, I guess we can run this like a kind of group therapy session. Does anyone want to start?

Thanks Beeswax! I'm one of the sufferers!! I gotta run now, but I wanted to say thanks for starting this & I'll be back later! smile.gif
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.


soak it up
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.
Here's another sweet memory
mybestfriend
QUOTE (Beeswax Not Yours Inc. @ Apr 9 2007, 06:43 PM) *


soak it up


Thanks, Beeswax! We need this right now. I quoted so we could see this great JAM moment twice wub.gif
officeobsessed
QUOTE (Beeswax Not Yours Inc. @ Apr 9 2007, 05:07 PM) *
You are speaking my language, PMS! Music and pretty pictures!

A great way to start the session. I'm going to add the lyrics from my fave JAM song right now. Gavin De Graw's We Belong Together. Let's all focus on these words and know that Jim and Pam will be together.

Here's the link for the AgentScarn JAM video as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR-LsTRaX3M

Not only is this one of my favorite JAM videos, I put the song on my Ipod! It's so beautiful. They should play it at JAM's wedding!
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.






^^Fancy New Beesly takes control
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.
Ladama's stuff is very good!

Oh, and since OfficeObsessed brought up a JAM wedding, any suggestions for their first dance? Something that Michael can sing and Dwight can play guitar to.
bubblewrap_1
I've meant to tell everyone this- but I forgot. FYI- I have an aunt Pam and an Uncle Jim. Does this help anyone? Probably not laugh.gif but I just think it's funny.
mixedberries_1
QUOTE (bubblewrap @ Apr 9 2007, 04:15 PM) *
I've meant to tell everyone this- but I forgot. FYI- I have an aunt Pam and an Uncle Jim. Does this help anyone? Probably not laugh.gif but I just think it's funny.

Are they married to each other?
bubblewrap_1
QUOTE (mixedberries @ Apr 9 2007, 07:17 PM) *
Are they married to each other?

Yes. I think around 40 years or so..... I'm not quite sure.
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.
QUOTE (bubblewrap @ Apr 9 2007, 06:19 PM) *
Yes. I think around 40 years or so..... I'm not quite sure.


A Pam and Jim married to each other for 40 years is just what we need to hear in JAM therapy!

Thanks for sharing bubblewrap!
stapler_in_jello
If you go to the NBC page on Youtube here, you'll notice that their banner has the Thursday Night Comedy Done Right line up? For The Office, they didn't put Dwight or Ryan or even Michael who is the star of the show. They put Jim and Pam. That's gotta mean something, right? wink.gif
Marissa87
QUOTE (bubblewrap @ Apr 9 2007, 07:19 PM) *
Yes. I think around 40 years or so..... I'm not quite sure.


Awwwww... that makes me so happy!!! You should tell them how happy they make us!
bubblewrap_1
QUOTE (Marissa87 @ Apr 9 2007, 08:09 PM) *
Awwwww... that makes me so happy!!! You should tell them how happy they make us!

laugh.gif They'd probably be like what?!? blink.gif
snogging_staplers
I'm fought through my JAM famine today by making a JAM themed MySpace layout and changing my profile song to "Let Love In" by The Goo Goo Dolls.

blink.gif Wow. I can't believe I admitted that.
Marissa87
QUOTE (bubblewrap @ Apr 9 2007, 08:11 PM) *
laugh.gif They'd probably be like what?!? blink.gif


ya haha..true...DO it for US sad people here.

I love this therapy! It's great. I feel better. Thursday seems sooo far away right now.
Especially when you're in the middle of exams and studying is boring and there is only so much procrastinating you can do.
Marissa87
QUOTE (snogging_staplers @ Apr 9 2007, 08:19 PM) *
I'm fought through my JAM famine today by making a JAM themed MySpace layout and changing my profile song to "Let Love In" by The Goo Goo Dolls.

blink.gif Wow. I can't believe I admitted that.



Can we see your myspace??? It'll make me feel better.
officerules06
I already posted this on the JAM Songlist thread, but I just love it & think it says everything about JAM to me right now. I italicized & bolded the really good parts. wub.gif

Run by Snow Patrol

I'll sing it one last time for you
Then we really have to go
You've been the only thing that's right
In all i've done.

And I can barely look at you
But every single time I do
I know we'll make it anywhere
Anywhere from here


Light up, Light up
As if you have a choice
Even if you cannot hear my voice
I'll be right beside you dear

Louder, louder
And we'll run for our lives
I can hardly speak I understand
Why you can't raise your voice to say


To think I might not see those eyes
It makes it so hard not to cry
And as we say our long goodbyes
I nearly do.

Light up, light up
As if you have a choice
Even if you cannot hear my voice
I'll be right beside you dear

Louder, louder
And we'll run for our lives
I can hardly speak I understand
Why you can't raise your voice to say

Slower, slower
We don't have time for that
All I want is to find an easier way
To get out of our little heads


Have heart my dear
We're bound to be afraid
Even if it's just for a few days
Making up for all this mess.


Light up, light up
As if you have a choice
Even if you cannot hear my voice
I'll be right beside you dear.
makesmyhearthalpatate
Just a kind little FYI

the name is

makesmyhearthalpatate.....as in Halpert!!

Noone ever gets it. It's okay.

BTW, I don't debate much but I feel strongly about that one. Glad we can pass the time with people who care.
officeobsessed
QUOTE (makesmyhearthalpatate @ Apr 11 2007, 07:49 PM) *
Just a kind little FYI

the name is

makesmyhearthalpatate.....as in Halpert!!

Noone ever gets it. It's okay.

BTW, I don't debate much but I feel strongly about that one. Glad we can pass the time with people who care.

Sorry, makesmyhearthalpatate!! Now I see the "H"--won't make that mistake again! You need a nickname though--like "makesmyheart" or "MMHH"--your name is too hard to type. Some users shorten mine to "OffObs" or just "Obsessed."

And yes--we all care! smile.gif
EverybodyHurts
I also have good feelings about tomorrow's episode. I think last week's cold shoulder from Jim was to be expected. Now that Roy is history, Pam now can feel free to move into her future (with Jim). As many have said in the PD, every time Pam has a moment or two alone with Jim, she has to remind him just why he fell for her in the first place. She has to be the same warm, funny sweet girl she's always been, but she has to do it with FNB flair! I definitely think Mr. Halpert will take some notice of her tomorrow...
Pam_Halpert_1
OMG between Officeobssed sig and PMS sig... I am never leaving

People I need help, that pic is just way too.... I have no words just giggles and butterflies hehehe!!!!!

sigh I am going to make that my computer background!!
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.
QUOTE (makesmyhearthalpatate @ Apr 11 2007, 07:32 PM) *
Only on this thread will I say that IMO,

This IS the Jim and Pam show.

If they don't have something major happen soon, I'm gonna die. It's so painful. I am a romantic and as much as I love everyone else on the show, if it weren't for JAM it would just be watching my office on television. UGH!


This IS the place to make statements like that. Remember, this is a therapy session. Everything stays safe within the circle.

I also feel the same way. I do love every character on this show, but Jim and Pam are soulmates that must be united for all eternity!!!! (How's that for crazy talk, actually I kind of sounded like Kelly there)

I just love the positive energy about tomorrow. I think what we will get is a little babyspoonful of JAM, but it will taste very sweet!
pbskl
QUOTE (Beeswax Not Yours Inc. @ Apr 11 2007, 08:22 PM) *
This IS the place to make statements like that. Remember, this is a therapy session. Everything stays safe within the circle.

I also feel the same way. I do love every character on this show, but Jim and Pam are soulmates that must be united for all eternity!!!! (How's that for crazy talk, actually I kind of sounded like Kelly there)

I just love the positive energy about tomorrow. I think what we will get is a little babyspoonful of JAM, but it will taste very sweet!


Definitely agree with your prediction. I see good things for JAM tomorrow, but definitely nothing too dramatic. That has to be saved for the season finale wink.gif . I already mentioned this a little in the Negotiation thread, but watch the entire Dundies episode... amazing Jim and Pam chemistry. The scene after Pam kisses Jim when he's talking about what a great year it was for the Dundies... wow. She looks like a schoolgirl haha. And she comes SO close to putting everything on the table when Angela picks her up... Definitely a good dose of JAM for those feeling down.
scrantonbranch
Thanks for this thread Beeswax! I keep telling myself the writers have us right where they want us -- desperate. I don't think they'd be slipping little nuggets of optimism into each episode amongst the heartache for nothing!


QUOTE (OfficeObsessed @ Apr 9 2007, 07:40 PM) *
One comment I would like to make is that after watching all the fanvids posted on this thread....I REALLY MISS JIM'S OLD HAIR!!! sad.gif


Thank you for saying this OfficeObsessed! The same thought has been bugging me since Cocktails. I'll be watching a scene for analysis and all I can do is say to myself, "What is going on with his hair?" It looks thinner and just plain weird. Where's that adorable mop top from Seasons 1, 2 and the beginning of this season? I'm done venting now. dry.gif
Pam_Halpert_1
It is that wig.... well actually.. ( and I am soo embarassed that I took the time to look) It is like he has small extentions where his bangs and curls are. You can even see tow different colors, I think the top part is real but it is the hair line that freaks me out....
Marissa87
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Something that probably won't happen but it makes me temporarily happy, and well isn't that what this thread is all about?

I was thinking about how in tune Phyllis has been with the whole Jam relationship. It was her that spilled the beans to Karen in TS. Anyone with eyes would notice how horrible Pam looks, especially in TN, I'm hoping Phyllis sees their pain, and decides to do something about it. Maybe mention casually to Karen about how they had such a great connection before Jim transfered or that, she always thought they'd end up together... It would definitely upset Karen and make her more insecure and hopefully push some sort of transfer to NY for her.

GAWD,...I just want something good to happen!

Maybe I should write a fanfic...lol
poorman'sMichaelScott
QUOTE (Pam Halpert @ Apr 11 2007, 09:43 PM) *
It is that wig.... well actually.. ( and I am soo embarassed that I took the time to look) It is like he has small extentions where his bangs and curls are. You can even see tow different colors, I think the top part is real but it is the hair line that freaks me out....

Personally, I think that it's pitiful that you took the time to look, too. Geez, Pam, don't you have anything better to do? Like find a supply closet with scotty? wink.gif
officeobsessed
QUOTE (Marissa87 @ Apr 11 2007, 10:24 PM) *
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Something that probably won't happen but it makes me temporarily happy, and well isn't that what this thread is all about?

I was thinking about how in tune Phyllis has been with the whole Jam relationship. It was her that spilled the beans to Karen in TS. Anyone with eyes would notice how horrible Pam looks, especially in TN, I'm hoping Phyllis sees their pain, and decides to do something about it. Maybe mention casually to Karen about how they had such a great connection before Jim transfered or that, she always thought they'd end up together... It would definitely upset Karen and make her more insecure and hopefully push some sort of transfer to NY for her.

GAWD,...I just want something good to happen!

Maybe I should write a fanfic...lol

I, along with some other MB users, have suspected that Phyllis might be involved in uniting JAM somehow. Buried deep, deep, deep in the annals of this MB is a "Phyllis--Jam Catalyst?" Thread. I started it way back when and it didn't go anywhere, but it has definitely been mentioned before. There have been several subtle instances where Phyllis has been tuned into JAM and I think she wants to see them together as much as we do. It's a long shot, but your thought does hold merit!
SharpSchruter23
What makes me temporarily happy is going back to the good times in season two. I've watched the whole season again this week...it seems to be the only thing that helps this emotional abuse.

Only 5 more posts to go Marissa til you aren't a newbie anymore!
Pam_Halpert_1
QUOTE (poorman @ Apr 11 2007, 11:31 PM) *
Personally, I think that it's pitiful that you took the time to look, too. Geez, Pam, don't you have anything better to do? Like find a supply closet with scotty? wink.gif


You know you could say the meanest things to me and I would still love you and smile when I was reading it all because of your sig wink.gif

hahaha

Guys I am getting a little down because I just read the JP thread and something that Vinny V said hit me like a ton of bricks.

What if Pam tells Jim, Jim says give me time.. Karen leaves, but then all next season is about Jim dealing with all his crap he has developed over the year.

I just don't know about this.... is this how it would go down?

Pam tells Jim all and tells Jim that he can have all the time in the world to think about the fact that she loves him. Jim dumps Karen, or Karen dumps Jim. Jim tells Pam that he also wants to see where "this" will go but that He has got to over come the rejection and hurt and pain he has had. Pam and Jim then start rebuilding thier friendship with Jim taking all season to really be ready to say he loves Pam too.

I just dont think that sounds like Jim.. I dont know you guys, I mean I do not think I could handle another emotional Jim next season...

help me, every night I try to think of how this is going to work, and every night I scare myself silly....I dont even know what I really want from JAM.. I just want Jim to be as happy as he eve was, I want Pam to be as happy as she can be!! I want season 2 without Roy.

Help....
poorman'sMichaelScott
QUOTE (Pam Halpert @ Apr 11 2007, 10:44 PM) *
I want season 2 without Roy.

Help....

And therein lies the paradox! That's what we all want. But answer me this: Could Jim have been S2 Jim without Pam?









And that's why you love me, PH! tongue.gif
Pam_Halpert_1
Cries.. you are testing that power of the sig pms.

No, Jim is Jim because he had pam ( which imagine when he gets FNB.. just wow)

And FNB never would of been without Jim

So, what do you think? Can it be a happy season with Jim and Pam separate with Jim licking his wounds?? But FNB smiling

or better if Pam was there by his side.. both becomeing friends agian with the intention to become more than that one day... while Jim battles his emotional " issues"
Marissa87
QUOTE (SharpSchruter @ Apr 11 2007, 11:38 PM) *
What makes me temporarily happy is going back to the good times in season two. I've watched the whole season again this week...it seems to be the only thing that helps this emotional abuse.

Only 5 more posts to go Marissa til you aren't a newbie anymore!



Hey ya! I didn't even notice! woo, it's like getting your citizenship or something...lol

I hope it doesn't take all of next season for Jim to say he loves Pam again. ANd that is because everything aside, he still has feelings for her.

I think, whether he breaks up with Karen or not. He's not doing anything until PAm makes the first move. He's really just waiting for her.
poorman'sMichaelScott
QUOTE (Pam Halpert @ Apr 11 2007, 10:52 PM) *
Cries.. you are testing that power of the sig pms.

No, Jim is Jim because he had pam ( which imagine when he gets FNB.. just wow)

And FNB never would of been without Jim

So, what do you think? Can it be a happy season with Jim and Pam separate with Jim licking his wounds?? But FNB smiling

or better if Pam was there by his side.. both becomeing friends agian with the intention to become more than that one day... while Jim battles his emotional " issues"

Why would Jim have to lick his wounds? You think after 3-4years of wanting something, you'd force yourself to wait more when you could readily have it now? I don't. People can heal together as well as healing seperately. And why am I testing the powers of the sig? I was cheering you up by reminding you that Jim/Pam are their best when they're together! smile.gif
Pam_Halpert_1
Oh pms I think I caught what you had this afternoon... we seem to do that a lot.

I understand! It will be okay.. breathe...it will be okay.. the writers would not do this to us if they did not mean for them to get together!!

Think "U"!!

pms you are my buddy system... okay I am getting better, Jim is just messing with me way to much today.
stapler_in_jello
QUOTE (Pam Halpert @ Apr 11 2007, 11:52 PM) *
So, what do you think? Can it be a happy season with Jim and Pam separate with Jim licking his wounds?? But FNB smiling

or better if Pam was there by his side.. both becomeing friends agian with the intention to become more than that one day... while Jim battles his emotional " issues"

A lot of people have mentioned that maybe this season will end with Jim and Karen breaking up, leaving next season to be the return of S2!Jam as they redevelop their friendship and get together.

These writers are brilliant and everything and I'm sure they could make it work if anyone could, but I don't see how Jim and Pam could possibly be just friends for an extended number of episodes (both of them single) after all that's happened. Jim admitted that he was in love with her. Now that Roy's out of the picture, Jim would only hesitate if he didn't think Pam loved him. But Pam's grown up, so what reason would she have to keep her feelings from him if he wasn't with Karen?

Basically, I'm saying that I'm hoping and strongly considering the possibility of there being major JAM reconciliation THIS season, namely in the season finale. Otherwise, how are the writers going to keep them apart next season?
Pam_Halpert_1
I could see JAM happening this season if the writers finished it "got them together"( agreeing they both want to be more than friends) this season.. I really do not want another JAM cliff hanger. Maybe Karen.. the whole Oh my what are they going to do about Karen would be a good cliff hanger

I just don't know this seems to much of a fantasy to me
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.
QUOTE (Pam Halpert @ Apr 11 2007, 10:44 PM) *
You know you could say the meanest things to me and I would still love you and smile when I was reading it all because of your sig wink.gif

hahaha

Guys I am getting a little down because I just read the JP thread and something that Vinny V said hit me like a ton of bricks.

What if Pam tells Jim, Jim says give me time.. Karen leaves, but then all next season is about Jim dealing with all his crap he has developed over the year.

I just don't know about this.... is this how it would go down?

Pam tells Jim all and tells Jim that he can have all the time in the world to think about the fact that she loves him. Jim dumps Karen, or Karen dumps Jim. Jim tells Pam that he also wants to see where "this" will go but that He has got to over come the rejection and hurt and pain he has had. Pam and Jim then start rebuilding thier friendship with Jim taking all season to really be ready to say he loves Pam too.

I just dont think that sounds like Jim.. I dont know you guys, I mean I do not think I could handle another emotional Jim next season...

help me, every night I try to think of how this is going to work, and every night I scare myself silly....I dont even know what I really want from JAM.. I just want Jim to be as happy as he eve was, I want Pam to be as happy as she can be!! I want season 2 without Roy.

Help....


RED ALERT!!!!!!

Everyone gather around Pam Halpert. We need an IV of grape soda and grilled cheese in her ASAP.

Ok, let's look at this rationally. Jim is a man (sorry if I offend any guys on that one...are there any guys here?). Anyways, when Pam spills the beans to Jim about EVERYTHING, he may be shocked and not react. Then, when Pam goes in for the kill and plants a CN-type kiss on him, there will be no "hmmm...what should I do here?" The wall will break and there will be no turning back.

Here's a little song to help get us through:

Take That- Patience
Just have a little patience

I'm still hurting from a love I lost,
I'm feeling your frustration,
That any minute all the pain will stop,
Just hold, me close, inside, your arms, tonight,
don't be too hard on my emotions,

'Cause I, need time.
My heart is numb, has no feeling.
So while I'm still healing,
Just try, and have a little patience

I really wanna start over again,
I know you wanna be my salvation.
The one that I could always depend,

I'll try to be strong believe me,
I'm trying to move on,
It's complicated but understand me.

'Cause I, need time,
My heart is numb has no feeling,
So while I'm still healing,
Just try, and have a little patience, yeah
have a little patience, yeah

'Cause the scars run so deep,
It's been hard
But I have to believe.

Have a little patience,
Have a little patience,

Woah, Cause I, I just need time,
My heart is numb has no feeling,
So while I'm still healing,
just try, and have a little patience,
have a little patience,

My heart is numb, has no feeling,
So while I'm still healing,
just try, and have a little... Patience
makesmyhearthalpatate
PH, good prediction! That's what will happen, I can feel it. JAM will get together and then....WHAT TO DO ABOUT KAREN?? Good cliff hanger. She'll walk in on them making out on his desk?? Too Ross/Rachel?? Who cares! Just kiss, for the love of Pete!!
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.
QUOTE (makesmyhearthalpatate @ Apr 11 2007, 11:15 PM) *
PH, good prediction! That's what will happen, I can feel it. JAM will get together and then....WHAT TO DO ABOUT KAREN?? Good cliff hanger. She'll walk in on them making out on his desk?? Too Ross/Rachel?? Who cares! Just kiss, for the love of Pete!!



I know a good Karen cliff hanger. Throw her off a cliff.

Oh, sorry, that should be on the "Blame Karen" thread. wacko.gif
SharpSchruter23
QUOTE (Beeswax Not Yours Inc. @ Apr 11 2007, 11:17 PM) *
I know a good Karen cliff hanger. Throw her off a cliff.

Oh, sorry, that should be on the "Blame Karen" thread. wacko.gif



ROFL!!! Wow, I'm in a computer lab at my university and you just made me LOL...now everyone is looking at me blink.gif .
Pam_Halpert_1
Oh Beeswax.... we are a team made in heaven!

You build up JAM fans.. I provide an outlet to bash Karen...We both keep people from going to see spoilers.....you always think of the supply closet and I have the keys wink.gif

Thanks!! we make a good team huh?
makesmyhearthalpatate
QUOTE (Beeswax Not Yours Inc. @ Apr 11 2007, 09:17 PM) *
I know a good Karen cliff hanger. Throw her off a cliff.



niiiice biggrin.gif
Beeswax_Not_Yours_Inc.
QUOTE (scrantonbranch @ Apr 11 2007, 09:38 PM) *
Thanks for this thread Beeswax! I keep telling myself the writers have us right where they want us -- desperate. I don't think they'd be slipping little nuggets of optimism into each episode amongst the heartache for nothing!


I was so excited to see you post in this thread!!!!!!! I am in awe of your JP and PD threads. Your posts are the places to be when we need JAM optimism.

I agree. They are giving us little appeteasers along the way and then we'll get a main course soon (hopefully with a little JAMmy dessert).
stapler_in_jello
QUOTE (Beeswax Not Yours Inc. @ Apr 12 2007, 12:13 AM) *
Ok, let's look at this rationally. Jim is a man (sorry if I offend any guys on that one...are there any guys here?). Anyways, when Pam spills the beans to Jim about EVERYTHING, he may be shocked and not react. Then, when Pam goes in for the kill and plants a CN-type kiss on him, there will be no "hmmm...what should I do here?" The wall will break and there will be no turning back.

I completely agree. Once Pam puts it out there, that's it. Unless the writer's throw us a curve ball between now and the season finale (which we all know they're totally capable of), I really believe that these last few episodes of the season will push Pam to finally lay it all out on the line herself come the season finale. Or maybe this thread's giving me too much optimism. wink.gif
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QUOTE (Pam Halpert @ Apr 11 2007, 11:20 PM) *
Oh Beeswax.... we are a team made in heaven!

You build up JAM fans.. I provide an outlet to bash Karen...We both keep people from going to see spoilers.....you always think of the supply closet and I have the keys wink.gif

Thanks!! we make a good team huh?


We DO make an awesome team!!!!

We're a couple of Jammy spoiler-free Karen hating supply closet lovin' gals.
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QUOTE (Beeswax Not Yours Inc. @ Apr 12 2007, 12:26 AM) *
We DO make an awesome team!!!!

We're a couple of Jammy spoiler-free Karen hating supply closet lovin' gals.


YES!!!

I am cured of my little JAM panic... it comes and goes normaly about this time when I notice that a new office episode is today! thanks!
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