Yes, I am truly a Rennaisance Woman!

I dont know how i got through last season without my DVR. Everyone needs one.

Can I just throw out there that my FAVORITE line from last night was:

"I'm sorry so is the question, 'How'd I get to be so awesome?'"

Yes, how DID he get to be so awesome!

OK, so since I lost both bets, lose-lose, (but I still feel like it was a win win for me and all JAMmers), here is my JAREN signature. Not very creative, I know, I know. I am not too computer literate. But it is JAREN...

Let me know if this counts. Am I supposed to do something else, like list the reasons why Karen and Jim should be together? Or is the picture of the two of them punishment enough? Please tell me if I didn't apply my signature correctly or if I need to add something!

p.s. I am still swimming in good thoughts!! I see The Convention is up next week...now I can watch all these older Season 3 episodes and know all will be OK!! Or at least all is moving toward OK!

I wasn't going to post again before I've had a chance to change my sig, but I just had to come back here and say this thread is my haven. It is the safest place for me (and has been for weeks now.) I should be working, but I've been lurking on a few other threads, and man, I just don't get some people. I know I have 'JAM colored glasses' on, but honestly I love the show for so many other reasons, and JAM is just a bonus. But I just don't get how anyone who is a fan of the show could not like Pam. I've had a girl crush on her for a while now, and I just admire her character so much at this point. When Karen said "Pam's kind of a b!tch", at that moment I kind of agreed, but I think she had every right to be.

sorry, i didn't come here to complain or get into anything, I'm just going to stay on this thread because some of the others are really bringing down my season finale high (and I'm not ready to sober up any time soon!)

No matter what happens between JAM, this thread must stay!

Good morning fellow JAMmers! I barely slept last night and had dreams of Jim and Pam when I did. I've rewatched the last scene more times than I can admit.

I skimmed over the last few pages of this thread and I am glad I didn't bet. Waaaay to confusing! Good luck everyone taking your lumps or props!

I do think we should change this thread name to JAM Celebration, for the summer at least. Beeswax, is that even possible? If not, it doesn't really matter b/c the purpose is still the same: A safe haven where we can all come and obsess together and have fun.

Finally, I just want to comment on what happened with Jim last night. I know there is a lot of talk about Jim still needing to grow and what is "realistic" and where JAM will go now. When David Wallace asked Jim where he saw himself in 10 years, I really believe he was thinking he would want to be married to Pam and have a family with her. That's all he saw which is why he got so flustered during the interview. At that moment, he knew exactly how he felt and what he needed to do. So IMHO, for those of you who are questioning if they love each other, are in love or need to rebuild their friendship first or whatever, I am still going with the 0-60 theory. Jim drove back to Scranton, barged in during Pam's TH because he knew what he wants and he wanted it to start NOW.

I don't know what curveballs the writers will throw to keep it interesting in S4, but I am now certain that Jim is still in love with Pam and he knows it. And vise versa. I think during their dinner date they got all the other stuff out there..CN, why Pam didn't call after cancelling her wedding, etc. and ended it with the understanding that they are now More Than That. What would be the point in waiting any longer. It's what they both always wanted.

I'm rambling, I know, but I am overwhelmed with emotion right now. Can't help it!

*P.S., MarkedArm--I'm so glad everything worked out for you last night. When there's a will, there's a way!

Oh MarkedArm, you're singing my song. I have got to stay off of the same threads you're probably alluding to or I will lose my temper and my JAM high. I am just kicking back and enjoying today and not looking for anything that will bring this down for me.

And I too feel the same way that you do, OO!

I loved the part where Pam was saying why wouldn't Jim get the job...and she said everybody loves him...then the camera goes to Jim and he has a little smile on his face...I think it finally dawned on him that Pam loves him, hence the smile, and he couldn't wait to get back to Scranton to get things out in the open. Pam's gonna get her terrace! Pam's gonna get her terrace!!

^^^This is the ONLY thread I have been on since watching the epi last night. I am tempted to visit the JP and PD, but afraid of what I'll find there! Hopefully it won't take SB too long to post.

Have I told you all how much I love you lately???

OO, I can watch your signature now and smile knowing it's all leading to more hugs, more kisses, more pranks, more FUN, more everything!!

I love how everyone was teasing Pam about her speech and Kelly was a bit rude. Well, Kelly got rude thrown right back at her by Ryan! Can you believe that ending with the job? I did not expect that!! AWESOME!

I am so glad to know that I helped you! I actually thought of you at one point when there was a close-up of Michael's face with the DM drawing behind him on the wall!

There is another totally awesome thread that a totally awesome poster posted called All Things First Date. Check it out. Shameless plug.

Am I the only JAMmer that's a little nervous? I was stunned and thrilled during the last scene but almost immediately started thinking that it can't be that easy for them. Maybe it's really pessimistic, but I worry that the writers will just create another obstacle for them next season so they can't be together. Or, worse yet, they'll have them date, break up, and (maybe) get together at the very end of the show (ala countless other sitcom couples). I'd rather have the sexual tension prolonged for a couple years than see that predictable (or as Pam might say, cliche!) and frustrating storyline play out...

I definitely predict that the first big scene of S4 will be a talking head of either Pam or Jim saying they went out to dinner and decided to just be friends and then all of S4 will be building up to more than that. But you know, so what? As long as they are interacting, happy, and having fun, what's the difference?

I think it CAN be that easy. You are talking about a couple who have done nothing but FIGHT the feelings they have had for one another for years. Now that they dont have to fight themselves against it, those feelings can flow naturally, and they can realy enjoy one another.

Please let there be lots of good fanfic to keep us occupied this summer!

Hm, that seems plausible. But why do you think they would decide to be just friends?

Oh gosh, Gatorjenni, you're harshing my mellow a little bit - am inserting fingers in my ears and going lalalalalala

You may be right but I am going to go on a 4-month hiatus thinking good thoughts and accept the consequences in September. If it is just friends and that still beats the he11 out of what we had in S3.

Well, I would say a full-blown relationship would be having a set date every week. Spending every night with eachother, and kissing ect.

I really think and want it to be just like Season 2, even with them going home to different houses. They need to let thing settle. As friends they can have dinner together, but they do not go home together afterwards. Now season 5 heck yeah, I think that is when we will see Pam or Jim wearing the same clothes as last day

but if they go from 0-60 then they are going to have an unstabel relationship because of Jim not being fully himself or knowing just where he wants to be.

I also think about the 10 years comment. that Jim thought about his talk with Pam, becasue of the fact that he has been becoming more corporate and yet he never "came back" Pam said she wish he would. I think he really was thinking more about his life and where it has been, and he knew he wanted to change it. What is hte one thing that set this all in motion? Pam and CN.. so he needed to go back ot her and figure it all out.




me too! I really think it would be best for Jim and Pam and the show if they were just friends for S4.


I am writting up my notes for Jim's blue shirts! DO you guys want me to do the white ones as well??

No, I totally agree with you; it seems like an entirely natural (and much anticipated!) step. I just don't think that the writers want to make it that easy for them or us. I have this feeling that they might have the crazy notion that they will lose in ratings if they "give the people what they want" before the show is over.

I'm sure we will be disecting this from now until Sept. I would love for them to be a couple but only if the writers can keep the continuity together. I absolutely love the chemistry they have and I do believe they could pull off a romance but it will be tricky. I can think of other shows that you were rooting for the couple to finally get together and when they do it fell flat. On the other hand the writers on this show are so much more talented with the format of this show that I am optimistic about JAM as a couple. As long as they are together in some capacity I am o.k. I loved Pam last night just because it was so great to see her happy after one year.

I agree--as long as things are positive and happy between Jim and Pam (and they eventually get together), it's all good! I'm just so happy the writers gave us that ending instead of some dramatic angst-ridden cliffhanger. It was awesome. Made my night!!

I'm rewatching the episode (for the third time), and I really hate Karen. Not only for calling Pam a *****, and for being so unsympathetic to Jan, and for getting Jim to cut his hair, and for being all insecure about Jim and Pam's friendship...

...but what REALLY made me mad is how she made fun of Jim for wanting to go to the UN and saying "You're gonna like this, Adult Jim." That is so condescending. She might as well say that Jim has been naive and immature for his whole life, and like his love for Pam was just a stupid puppy crush. WOW I am reading a lot into it and getting way too mad, but I really think all this contributed to Jim finally realizing that he needed to "come back." Because the fact is that there was nothing wrong with Jim just the way he was.

*Ahh* I feel better...now I can unpause my Tivo and watch the blissful final 5 minutes. I just figured this was the ideal place to vent a little Karen angst.

Too right! I feel so serene and calm now. My family was laughing at me watching the last few minutes with my hands cupped over my face, tears in my eyes. Of course maybe they were crying too.
But whatever happens to Jim and Pam, it signals a return to their friendship, and that's always been the most important issue to me. That's why S3 has, at times, seemed like a barren wasteland of despair. But the desert has been crossed, the stream fjorded and the wall scaled. The green oasis is just ahead.

A return to friendship is all I ask for!! Nothing more and nothing less!!!

Oh and I feel bi polar agian. On one hand I hate Karen for calling Pam names and such, but on the other hand Karen is such a fascinating character and plot line twist that I am sad that we do not know if she is not coing back. I want her back because of all the fun plot lines that could happen!!

But if we are going to be honest here , I have always been a closet Karen fan. * do not throw things at me please*

Well, I might toss a couple of balled up post-it notes at ya, but that's it. No, Karen showed vulnerability a lot, and that's endearing. She had a controlling side that was less endearing. But she was intelligent and fun (and had a boyfriend who at least once gave her a piggyback ride). Maybe we haven't seen the last of her.

You are so right! I just rewatched the episode in it's entirety without commercials (thank god for itunes!) and she was so wonderfully awful in this episode. I've never been a big Karen hater, in fact I've always felt pretty bad for her knowing she's going to wind up with the short end of the stick, but tonight pushed me into that Karen-hating camp.

What bugged me most was that as soon as she could she ditched Jim before possibly the biggest interview/moment of his career, with nothing more than a "good luck Halpert". I no longer feel sorry for her. If she truly believed that New York and the corporate position was their chance to start over then she would have been more supportive and less self-serving.

I also hated her bit about him not seeing Lorne Michaels. Ugh. Any appreciation of her on my part just completely disappeared.

I hope not! I really would like to think we get to see her chracter grow a little as well. Maybe she will see that is a little controling.

She really is a good person inside and I think that she will see that in time!

I feel that I really could be a good friend with Karen, just liek Pam. The only problem all season was that she is dating Jim.

And I put is becasue I still do not think they broke up. But this is a Karen thread debate right? No harshing the office mellow right??

Really?? Queen? I have watched the episode many times now and still the only time I get mad at Karen is when she says Pam is a B!tch.

Then she siad Jim's hair was homeless.. that just hurt.. I love Jim's hair.

Yeah, Pam and Karen are night and day to me now. I used to think that I could be friends with Karen, but last night really put me off of her. I still love Rashida, though, don't get me wrong. She's beautiful, talented, adorable, etc. But I couldn't handle a Karen in real life. I don't have a lot of tolerance for people without compassion, and I think it's the fact that Karen is lacking that right now that puts me off of her more than anything.

^^ this might be where my psychologist comes in. I find there is only one group of people who I can not get along with.

To be honest Karen reminds me of my best friend. Granted we do not have the same taste in guys so that part never comes into play.

OK, here's my JAREN signature.

Does this suffice or is it supposed to be an actual picture of them together?

^^ OH WOW. MarkedArm, I think you get special bonus points for going above and beyond the call of duty. I think that more than suffices.

Ick.

Yeah, it really doesn't bother me anymore (I think you all know why)

But, just in case.... is it cheating if I turn off signatures in my preferences for a few days????

I will go check it out pMS. I have some thoughts on that date!


I am not trying to be all Suzie Sunshine about this, but I think that jim knows JUST where he wants to be and that is with Pam. After Pam's Beach Speech and their brief discussion that followed (THANK YOU GD for the flashbacks!), Jim had time to digest and let what she said sink in. He was uneasy with Karen (but still feigning felicity) up until he was at the interview. When he was sitting in Wallace's office and was asked where he sees his life in 10 years, he had a microburst of clarity. He knew that no life would be a life without Pam to share it with. That is why he raced back to Scranton (I'm thinking maybe he called Karen first and broke up with her..maybe they even met for coffee or something) and burst into the CF during Pam's TH. He couldn't wait another minute.

So, I am utterly confident that they are going to be More Than That at the start of S4. They may keep it toned down in public at first, which will be fun because there are lots of stolen moments (in the supply closet, PH for you) to look forward to, but they will be together, as a couple. They will be the best of friends as well, but they will also be lovers. ( Did I really just say that??)

One thing I do agree on is that they should NOT move in together. There is no reason to rush this.

OMG!!! I love JAM!!!!!!!!

*Going to go watch last 2 minutes of TJ again.*

Marked arm, what an awesome signature!!! I am embarassed to post now because mine is so basically lame!!!

If there is going to be JAM sex in S4, the freakin' mockumentarians better be there!!! If not, maybe Phyllis will walk on in something since Jim is on her list and we'll get to see it that way.

Maybe that's why NBC moved it to 9pm for the fall

hi everyone...someone may have already mentioned this, but i just cant help but notice the enthusiasm Jim had about asking Pam out for dinner. He couldnt even wait until she was finished with her talking head...i just get all excited when i rewatch those last two minutes and he bursts through the door...oh i cant wait until September to see how all of this plays out....

Okay, so I won the first bet and lost the second one. That means three days of a Karen signature. Does it have to be positive or can I be just a tiny bit derisive?

Yours isn't lame. Honestly, I am at work and all I had to go on were the episodes I've downloaded at work on iTunes (and I already had used Jim sleeping in another sig). But thank you so much!




Is it wrong that I still cannot stop smiling? Even all the speculation and hesitation here isn't getting me down yet. I know it will. Wonder if there's any way we're going to get some JAM webisodes this summer (or even Karen/Jim breakup). hmmm.....

They just filmed all the NY street scenes of Jim and Karen recently. Maybe, just maybe, they filmed the break-up? I don't think they'd show it this summer, though, ****. I wish.

I think that this is why Jaren is not a good fit. Karen is a big city girl. She knows the city, has friends in the city, wants a job in the city. Whose to say that she wasn't the one to suggest that they interview for the positions?

Jim has lived near America's most fav city (some say the world's) his whole life and has only been there on a field trip (oh, and once before for an interview). He has no desire to explore the "big city life". He had fun having Karen show him around, but I don't think he'd enjoy living there. In his 10 year plan, he wants a terrace, too.

Jaren both have good senses of humor, but that seems to be their only connection. They ONLY know how to interact with jokes. They've never been on the same level when it came to any feelings, be it their relationship or something else.


Unfortunately, I think the JAM webisodes won't happen cause of Jenna's back injury, but the Jaren break-up, I would pay good money to see that!!!! *crosses fingers* Here's hoping!

Well the show has bucked the system since it's creation ala Ricky Gervais. So hopefully they won't follow the same old pattern that other shows have... they can re-think, re-write, and have a show with JAM as a couple but more importantly keep our attention with deep, interesting, layered, episodes like they have been cranking out.

I believe in them... they are smart.

If you are Susie Sunshine, then I am your sister Flusie...because I am in total agreement with you that they will be together. Jim doesn't have any questions and now that Pam has shown that she LOVES him, he's ready to get movin on with Pam!!! I thought he looked so out of place in that restaurant, drinking out of a wine glass. Now we've seen him drink beer at Chili's...I think that's more his drink of choice. I think what sealed the deal though is Karen's comment about there being one too many people in Scranton and there's nothing there for them...I think Jim saw clearly WHO and WHAT is there for him...and he looked surprised when Karen said she'd move to NY for him. Jim is not the kind of guy to do the city...he's going to be much more content to live life with Pam sitting next to him on the couch while she rocks their baby to sleep!!! OK, I'm getting ahead of myself now...they haven't even gone on their date!!

By the way, I have to say what a brilliant job of acting both Jenna and John did. Can you imagine how emotionally taxing this season must have been for them too! I keep checking on Jenna's website to see what she has to say about things, but I figure she's on some major pain killers now and we're the last people she's worried about! Anyway, I am impressed with the writers and the actors...we are so lucky that they have given us this gift of a show. It really is like no other!!!

OK, I am finished now. To make a long story short, THIS WAS AWESOME!

Okay, first of all, I hope Jim grows his hair back or at least styles it not so school boyish.

Secondly, are we going to miss the first 3 months of Jam dating? I don't want the show to come back in the fall with their relationship all established having missed all the excitement of the newness of it all. Not to mention the catharsis of years of loving each other and now finally being together!

Where do you think they will pick up with us in the Fall?

Maybe they'll show us a montage of their dates. That would be fun. We could see them in restaurants, in the park, going to amusement parks, the mall, kissing by their cars (*blushing*), etc. While one of them (or both! We haven't had a dual TH all season!) talk about their summer.

I also have a JAMover. About 2 o'clock I started to fade and feel rather sluggish. But I was fading with a smile on my face because a new chapter has begun for Jim and Pam.

I bolded the part of your post that just made me smile like Jim in The Client (I'm not a complainer" smile). Lovely!



Well, I am the JAM wedding pusher, so of course I see this as the perfect scenario.

Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they ran off to Hawaii to get married on the beach this summer and come back as Mr. and Mrs. James and Pamela Halpert. Wouldn't that be a kicker!?!?!






I agree with this. This thread is all about JAM fun and frolic, so I'm not going to be hardcore.

Nothing can bring me down from my JAM season-end high!!!



You make a strong case!



I guess we have to thank Mr. and Mrs. Halpert for that. Oooo, I hope we get to see or hear about Jim's parents next season. I am so curious.



Thanks for the put-ups, MarkedArm.

This does feel like a little oasis. It's like the roof of Dunder Mifflin. It's a nice place to sit down, light a candle, enjoy some grilled cheese and soak up the JAM ambiance.



I was thinking the same thing. You could just see his mind drift to Pam, a house and children. The life he's always wanted and could not enjoy with anyone else but Pam.

Soooo dreamy!!!


Karen also left a bad taste in my mouth last night. She just isn't right for Jim. I don't think they have the same outlook on life. It was so apparent when Jim said that he felt bad for Jan and Karen said not to feel sorry for her. Jim and Pam share the same moral center and as much as they like to poke fun and prank, they do not take joy in other people's misery.

Booooo Karen!!!


Love everything you said about Jim and Pam here and I feel the same as you. There is no turning back for JAM now. There is a lot to sort out, for sure, but there will be no "just friends" zone. I think Jim pulled a Katy on Karen and broke up with her on the phone. He has shown no true emotional commitment to Karen and I'm sure they had a long talk on the phone, but Karen is history.

Now if I am to speculate on the rate of their relationship progressing, I'm thinking that a 0-60 scenario is very likely. Everyone needs to re-watch the flashback at the beach (I know, twist your arm). Look at Pam's face when she says, "Well, I wish you would". That girl just walked over fire and she has a fire in her eyes. If our Pam was still Frumpy Pam, then I would say things would probably go slow. We now have full blown FNB and she is going to be honest and very forthcoming with Jim. I don't think it will happen that night, but it will have happened by the time S4 comes around. Mark my words!

Just popping in again to say...

BEST EPISODE EVER!!

I keep on watching the ending of that episode over and over again!

THE CHEESEBURGER LIVES ON!!

Yes! Me too. I have faith that they can pull this off. It would not be realistic if they went to the friend zone. They are so in love with each other, it hurts!


OMG!!!! I love that bolded line. It makes me want to cry (tears of joy!) So sweet!!!! Have I said today how much I loooooooove JAM? *sigh*

Hey, I am so glad you are being nice and letting me just post a sad Jim sig. It's finally ready and I came here to post just to see it!! My first cool sig!! And it's all thanks to the QueenofEngland!! She rocks!