You broke my heart.

I don't want them to use eachother for the benefit of someone else. I think that was Roy and Karen's job. Roy and Karen made it so Jim and Pam could be the people they need to be to be together. They will be together, Pam Halpert. They will. They will.

Don't go breakin my heart...

Hey I warned you!

Let us take it slow.. ask me this time next year how I fele about it and see if my thoughts have changed

I really do not think they will though

Absolutely ^^. GD did not take us through S2 & S3 for nothing. I do not see them missing the boat this time.

To quote the oh-so-wise Michael Scott, "What is love, anyway? Maybe it’s supposed to break all the rules. Life is short. When two people find each other, what should stand in their way?"

Good for you! Those parents will be so pleased that they will tell that story for 20 years!! We have 3 boys and we take a vacation every year and fly often, and whenever we board a plane we get those looks like "Oh please God, don't let this family sit near me", and a couple of times we have had people tell us how well behaved our boys were, and it is such a relief and soooo encouraging to hear those words.

I think I may have my son write a note too, to let her know how much we appreciate her! Maybe even write her a story (one of his favourite things).

I have to agree. I think that Karen and Roy were the ones that helped Jim and Pam ready for eachother. Now Jim isn't ready for an all out relationship but he knows he loves Pam and Pam loves him. The show has shown that their connection is so freaking strong that somehow if they dated and decided to break up it would be something that no one has seen.

Post 100 fool of a Took.

I didn't realize you were going to run me over with a truck.

Hmmmm...interesting theory.

I just think that if Angela and Dwight can be together, so can Jim and Pam. Also, I look to The Office Uk for inspiration. I just know Dawn and Tim are together right now, happy as clams.

Ricky and Greg have always said that Jim and Pam are the heart of the Office and I as realistic as The Office is, it is tv.

I guess I'll happily live in my fanfic world all summer until someone snaps me back into reality.

Yay! Happy 100!

Yeah, have him write a note too. That would be neat!!
And good job on raising good boys...sounds like they are on their way to being someone's Jim Halpert!!


What does fool of a Took mean?


I won't be snapping you back to reality, because I'm in la la land with you! Oh by the way, I see you got a copy of Mean magazine from EH. I went to see if I could find it today at Barnes and Noble and was looked at like I was a freak. They checked their computers and they haven't received their issues yet...said to try another store. Is it as good in person as it is on the computer?? Do JK's lips taste better on the screen or on paper?

I wouldn't want to get John all slobbery!

I haven't got it yet. It is currently on route from Mass.

I will post here when I get it because I will have to share the excitement with someone!

Truly, if I raise 3 Jim Halperts, I can die a happy woman!! (they already want to style their hair like him, not on purpose, that's just the way they like it, shaggy and hanging down) Thankfully they have a Halpert daddy to teach them how to treat and respect women!

that made me cry....



Yes I really want Jim and Pam to be together forever. I want them to get married and have kids.. just not during the show.

I am living in happy JAMMY world until the start of S4 where I am sure GD will do a good job of snapping us back into reality.

Jenna has even said she does not want Jim and Pam to end up together....but that being said

I want what is best for the characters. Right now slow is best for Jim and Pam. Jim needs to heal and find himself this season he can not get engaged when he still does not know him self or he has not come back. So maybe next season we will see them engaged but we will not see it happen.

Ok ladies, bedtime for Bees.

I will go to sleep dreaming of a S4 premiere ep with Jim and Pam getting married and then having quintuplets for the Feb sweeps.

Good night sweet princesses of JAM.

When did Jenna say she didn't want them to end up together? I always thought she wanted them to!

Pam Halpert, how is your back feeling? Your arm? Been to New York lately? Take a fall down some stairs? You are not Jenna, are you? Do you know something we don't know? Why must you make me so sad!
You cut me deep!

Good night Bees. 3 boys and 2 girls, right? James Jr., Jamie, John, Pamela and Jamielynn.

Hope you got your progress reports done!!

I will dream of Jim holding their sweet little baby...and making Jim faces as she coos back up at him. (I miss my kids as babies...I really am going to cry now...sniff, sniff).

Hmm..PH, that is an interesting theory, but I don't think it will play out that way because, as others have said, this is TV, and we've already suffered enough through S3. Yes, Jim has been hurt, but now he is free to date his "soulmate". These two understand each other so well. I believe the awkwardness will quickly dissipate, and soon they will be back to their old selves. Yes, Jim was nervous asking her out but look at his little smile as he says, "It's a date." He's happy. He knows how Pam feels about him now since she spelled it out at the beach. Her honesty will help him feel comfortable around her again.

Your scenario reminds me of all the negativity that was floating around the JP and a lot of the fanfic prior to the finale, i.e. Pam's too late; Jim's too hurt to forgive her or give her another chance; he's moved on with Karen. I agree that in real life, sometimes these things do happen. Jim may have stayed with Karen, moved to NY, married, and then sometime around his 40's, realized that he had totally lost "who he was" and ended up in divorce court. I speak from experience; having recently been divorced after being married for many years, too many, actually. So Jim gets points in my book for having the guts to turn away from a "sure thing" to try again for true happiness.

I believe that everyone involved in this show realizes that Pam and Jim are made for each other. Season 3 was necessary for Pam's growth. In a way, Jim spent the whole season floating along in "vampire" mode until finally Pam's "I wish you would" made him realize that finally, finally, she was giving him his desired answer to his question on CN. Even though he continued on with his plans in NY, Pam's answer had to be stewing in the back of his mind. It was finally the yogurt lid note and the CFO's question about the future that convinced Jim that he would be making a big mistake if he stayed on his present course.

Boy, that was a long post. Sorry so wordy. Sometimes thoughts come to mind, and you just gotta let 'em out.

I dream of that as well Bees!!

Oh JAM princesses!! I love that name!



I am sorry that last part just made me laugh.

Jenna said in an interview that she was not sure that she wanted Jim and Pam to end up together, that they would date. She said they would not be apart longer then they should be and not be together longer than they should be. JK also said that as long as they follow the characters and do not force them together that he will play Jim, but that if JAM seems like they need to break up that JK wants them to do so.

What I think and what I want are two different things. But this season there will be no JAM engagement.. I might even put my money on JAM not having another date until VD...becasue Jim might want to just be friends but know that in the future they will be MUCH more than that.

Now what I want to happen is just to see many happy wonderful small JAM moments.. but like SB said, I do not even know if I think they are together yet. It is still open for them not to be and I think that the reality is that it could be a reality. I do not think GD would do that though.

I still think they belong together.. just they need to take it slow. Jim has to find himself and they have to restablish their friendship before anything else major happens.!

Well done Pam! Even if I didn't agree with everything you said (um...which I do, by the way) I totally applaud you for taking a controversial stance and wording it so well. And yeah, I do agree with a lot of what you said. I just can't imagine that we'll ever see Jim and Pam get engaged, or get married on the show because like you said...too sitcom-y. And I hate to use the F-word, but it would break my heart more for The Office to turn into Friends than for Jim and Pam to go their separate ways. '

I know GD has said that Jim and Pam are the heart of the show, but more than that, he has always maintianed that The Office will be as true to life as possible. I actually always thought that them being the heart of the show was more of a reference to the compassion, humor, and genuine love and friendship that they showed to their co-workers in the face of the lunacy that surrounds them. Anyways, Jenna Fischer herself (who is pro-Jam!) said somewhere that she's talked to GD about the possibility of Jim and Pam not ending up together in the long run. So it is a possibility.

Bottom line is... I believe Jim and Pam belong together. They are two pieces of a puzzle that fit together more snugly than any other pieces could. But like real life, sometimes things just don't happen the way they should. I have faith in the writers that we have a great season ahead of us, but I'm also realistic. I don't expect making out in the stairwell, roof-top proposals, or turning the breakroom into a lactation room for Pam (gross!).

Bees, if you need to you can revoke my membership in the Jam therapy club. I understand.

Well I hope you are right!

Look, I just would be really upset if they were engaged this season. That is to fast. Jim still needs to heal and "come back". I actually think SB is going to address this topic in the JP with part 3.

I never said that I wanted it, I just said that it might happen, I also think that JAM might get engaged.. but I really do not see that happening anytime soon. ( and I am not the only one)

Jim and Pam I think are ment for eachother. But who knows what the rest of the people think.

This is TV so I hope that lets GD keep it a happy ending, but he has said many times that his happy ending and the one we want are NOT the same.

See how you are...I make you laugh and you make me cry.

I never even considered that they were not together. That horrible thought never crossed my pathetically small mind. I am going off to cry into my pillow...

Queenie!!!

Thank you! I have been building up my arguments for a while becasue I know this is going to be one of the QTP's on the JP part 3

I agree with what you said, and you filled in the gaps that I felt were missing!!

I will always be a JAM optimist!! ALWAYS!!! I will write fanfic about the JAM grandchildren!!

but I am also a realist and I really do not want The Office going into sitcom territory.. no F word here! and if they got married on the show well it would be the F word... now that is not to say that they could still be together when it ended.. and we can imagine them married!

you have done it you have made me cry and laugh at the same time! No think happy thoughts!! that is just one possibility! There are others! Like them getting married after the show is off air!!

See, I really do belive they belong together!! I really do!! really!! JAM FOREVER!!

( I am sorry I had to bring that subject up.. but do we not all remember GWH?? see we need to be prepared for the worst)

Ah, Pam, great minds think alike. Right? Or at least mildly-smart minds agree with and piggy-back on the brilliant posts of other minds. I can't say that I would have had the courage to come out and say that here, but I also love that we can share different opinions in here without getting into all-out brawls. This truly is an amazing thread!

Anyways, I have to say that unfortunately I'm also schizophrenic on the issue of them ending up together. One moment I can see them going their separate ways...always caring deeply for each other and matured by their experiences, and the next I see the show ending in a reunion-type episode where everyone is a few years older and they are happily married. I don't know what to say. I can't really see that far down the road, but that's another reason why I love this show. So many things I could never have anticipated! These writers are brilliant, and I love that they keep us on our toes.

I feel like a little kid who ran off to cry in her pillow and was waiting for Mom to come in and tell me everything is going to be OK. Only Mom has not come in to tell me that. I want my Mommy!!

I don't want it to turn into amigos either. I just want happy times, happy looks...I don't want massive make out sessions. I don't want to have to use my imagination though and imagine them married. I want to view the happy ending. And not in an Office Reunion and maybe not even in S4. But I do want S4 to be about them regaining their trust, friendship and MORE than that!

Good night to all my nightmare givers.

Sed, I hope you don't really get too worried over this. Even though I like to stay realistic when it comes to Jam, I honestly believe they will be/are dating. The problem (IMHO, at least) is whether or not we will be privy to it. If Jim and Pam don't decide to keep their relationship a secret (from their co-workers and the cameras) for as long as possible, they will at least be very discreet and modest. But my opinion could change in two minutes, so don't rely on me...

RIGHT!!!

I am trying to be more honest lately.. oh wait wrong thread

I am also schizophrenic on the issue as well.. actually you just said what my mind set is. BUT

for the last 3 months I have felt this way, and it has not changed.. like I said what I think and what I want are two different things.!!

I agree I love that I can share my opinion and know that people will still love me!! This is an awesome thread!!

SHHH.. honey it is going to be fine. JAM is dating.. it has been 3 weeks of wonderful bliss!!! go to sleep and dream of them under the stars on a park bench!!



Agreed I think they are going to be together and I think they are going to have a some what" secret relationship" and take it really really really slow.

but they will still be together!! Trust me I think that is the most likely senario!!

I'm not really getting too concerned. I'm just joking around..it's all in guud fun. (as my head twitches from side to side and I pace the floor).

The thing is that Jenna and John have been so convincing in their heartache this season that I really feel sad for Jim and Pam if they don't get together. But life will go on even if I am just stuck forever in S1 and S2 and the last 2 episodes of S3 for my JAM happiness.

Mommy!!! I had the most horrible dream...

That's why this is JAM therapy, for those of us who doubt and need help. S4 will not be that simple, this show has a life of at least 4 more years. We do not want a repeat of friends. When Ross and Rachel went on a break, that's when I stopped watching. It got sooooo annoying with their fighting and tension. I would much rather see them take things slowly with Jim and Pam with no engagement or marriage until the series finale, the flirtation is what made S1 & S2 so much fun, I want a little secrecy for S4, just like Dwangela, I'm not ready for the whole office to know Jim and Pams business!! Does this make any sense or should I just go to bed?

NO.. SED!! you WILL have season 4 JAM happiness just small amounts.. do not fear you will be happy. JAm can love eachother and be together forever and never get married on teh show and you would still get JAM!! Do not worry Pam will be happy and Jim will be getting there with Pam's help!

I really think season 4 will be about Jim's growth as a character. his getting a spine and just becoming awesome like Pam!!

Yes, Jim is so hot now, imagine him with vertebrae!! It's gonna be a great season 4!

I can go to sleep happy now!

tears sed.. tears!!

I know honey.. it is going to be okay.. do not worry about it. There will be happy Jim and Pam during season 4! now go back and dream happy thoughts!!



ITA! no going to bed, and it makes perfect sense to me! That is what I want as well!! the flirting is what was awesome and that is all I need to see!

I also agree that there will be up's and downs.. it is not going to be smooth sailing. This is JAM we are talking about when has it ever been smooth sailing?

but that still does not ment that they will not end up together! they will I promise..

Jenna?

oh good.. mommy fixed it!

Yes. we get to see lots of Jim gorwing and learning about himslef, and Pam will be there to help him!!

there just might be a few rough patches thrown in there.. but who knows!

But what if my wine bottle is empty? I need a reason to be awake!

I agree with you guys that they will be dating, but will be discreet about it. They know the cameras follow their every move. Hopefully we'll see lots of S2 glances, smiles and giggling, maybe once in a while a subtle touch or handhold. We won't see smooching on the elevator or Jim grabbing Pam's butt while she's getting in her car. THAT would be too sitcomy and totally unlike the way they're portrayed on the show.

As far as GD surprising us, who really expected the finale to end with Jim asking her out on a date? We were betting on another kiss, a move back to the old desk, smiling at each other. But a date? No way. The fact that the word "date" was used, implies that it's more than just friends, otherwise he would have just asked her out for coffee after work. What was shown during and after the interview convinced me that JAREN was ended and Jim was on his way back to start a new romantic relationship with Pam.

Hey jimswife4life

I'm not a teacher and I don't have any children or a husband but I was touched by what you wrote in this post and I like your message board name even more now that I know your husbands name is Jim. They are all lucky to have someone like you in their lives.

If you decide to meet after Globals Monday night telecasts let me know. Sounds like fun.

Umm... no why whould you think that? I do not know what you are talking about. SHHHHH

( it is funny we do tend to think the same thing about JAM, maybe I am closer to her than I think...muhahaha)


Mommy is here.. go to bed thinking happy thoughts!! JAM FOREVER

Here's a good reason to be awake...

That's what I am talking about!! YOu really understand the Pam and Jim dynamic EH!! I was floored by the "date" and I still can't stop thinking about that question! I think the writers are doing a good job of giving the fans what they want and still keeping the show realistic, at least on the JAM front, Michael is definitely out of this world, and Jan is tagging along for the ride! That's another storyline that I am very curious to see develop! Any predictions on the Jan and Michael front?

you people are making me laugh way to hard tonight! Cook something!! Oh I know make some cookies!! Write Jim on them.. then you can have some Jim cookie!!



it is just one date. They could agree to just be friends until Karen leaves. They could agree to be just friends until Jim comes back. ( granted I do not think that will happen)

remember Karen is another factor that has yet to be delt with.. and she IS coming back to Scranton. there are a lot of unknows right now and we can not just assume something. all I know is that they went out on ONE date.

I do think they will persure a romantic relationship sometime this season if not from the start. They will just take it very very slow. And NO engagement.. JIM IS NOT READY!

Thanks!! My Jim is truly special!! We need a Canadians thread!! We can all meet on Mondays and bask in the glow of Global Office relations!!



You read my mind!! I actually looked for the JK thread to find a reason, and you gave me one. Now help me explain this to my hubby.

I have had a thought since I first saw The Job, and this seems as good a time and place as any to put it into the ether. If Jim and Pam are dating in season four, they may be forced to hide their relationship. The events of The Job give Dunder Mifflin reason to clamp down on their fraternization policy. Jan's meltdown was associated with her relationship with Michael (a subordinate). New boss Ryan has every reason to enforce the policy to protect himself from Kelly. Ryan also knows about DWANGELA and could get some revenge, causing Angela to be hyper vigil of Pam-Pong. So if dating becomes a big taboo at DM, Jim's #2 status will force him and Pam to settle for longing glances and limited contact while at work. This could add tension to the show and keep those small JAM moments meaningful even if they are together. Toby could be very busy next season.

AMEN!! I would love to see that chemistry agian.. that is all I need to see!!!

just seeing Jim smile at Pam will be enough to get me through the day!!

That also has been in teh back of my mind.

Ryan could just do that.. even to get back at Michael!

AWW poor toby

...and the night!

Abso-Fruitly!

now we get into dangerous terrtory with night because my head goes to my bed.. and I am not the only one in it!!