Okay fellow flans, I have been enjoying myself, however it is time to get some sleep, school is still in session in Canada which makes afternoon naps very difficult because I can't sleep if I worry about not waking up!! Good night! PEACE OUT SEACREST!! See you all tomorrow I am sure!!

night!! I had fun!!

have good and happy JAM dreams!!

I agree with everything you said. They are going to keep the relationship within the confines of the show and that is fine with me if we get stuff like we saw in S2 because this time there hopefully won't be any more 3rd parties involved. We have had the season with her involved with someone else and him pining away and then the reverse. That should be Done. Think we will get glimpses of a cute, sweet, developing relationship with maybe some awkward hesitancy on both sides but not the heartbreaking, longing looks from these past seasons ( we can't have anymore of them, Jim had so many in S2 that absolutely crushed me, I couldn't take it).

As for the finale, it was weeks ago now and I am still shocked and thrilled. Never expected the "date". I figured something would happen after BG with Pam's speech but was getting frustrated at the beginning of TJ with Jim's haircut and the flashback to the hug at the water (looked too casual and quick to me), plus all the NY stuff with Karen. But then, I knew we would get at least a little something after Jim's reaction to the receptionist at corporate answering the phone, it was a small reaction but I knew something else had to be coming. After that I just got more & more excited as everything else unfolded. Loved how Jim kept looking at the note and got distracted, I started to sit up straighter and clutch a pillow when he flashed back after the 10 year questioned. I yelped when it showed him kinda smile and nod in the interview and then in the car Alone. Figured that is where they would leave it, with Pam thinking their chance was done but him on his way back to Scranton without her knowing, so literally screamed when he practically busted through the door during her TH. And then her reaction after he walked back out- Priceless. One of the best things I have seen on a TV show. Plus, the Ryan thing and Michael/fruit loop Jan was also a surprise and kept the ep from being all JAM shippyness which I know some fans of the show complain about. Was almost a Flawless season finale IMO. Definitely the best one I saw this season of the shows I watch.

PH,

You are the poo-stain on my intricately woven tapestry of love.

Seriously though, GD did have in mind that JAM would go the way of the original JAM from across the pond. But, our JAM took on a life of its own.

I don't know when, but JAM will end up together. JAM has its own momentum. I don't think it was the in the original "arc" of the relationship, but John and Jenna are such great actors and bring such chemistry to the characters. The producers probably recognized the momentum gathering around the JAM story and decided to continue the JAM drama. GD realizes JAM is at the heart of The Office. They'll keep it running for the life of the show.

Think of how many viewers they would have disappointed (and ultimately lost) if Jim had taken the job in NYC and been out of Pam's life for good. Look at the number of posts on the NBC boards that are dedicated to The Office. Compare that with the other NBC shows.

JAM is not only romantic, it makes dollars and cents. It's good business. Doesn't mean it will be smooth sailing, but it's something we can keep in mind during the turbulence.

They have current ratings, DVD's, iTunes, and syndication to think about. Yeppers, The Office is their little (big!) moneymaker, and JAM is their secret ingredient. You can mark my words.


So, don't dizzle my shizzle! I keep having to tell ppl that!!!



OK, now I'll go back to being the naw-tay, blathering, sighing, speechless idiot who's WAY TOO OLD for JK, and still young enough for wishful lusting, er, I mean wishful thinking. Think "Chunky"

^^^ you prolly posted that while I was writing...

I YELPED too!!!!!! When the door opened and there was JIM!!! OMG. I've NEVER, EVER responded to a TV show like I did that entire episode. Even my boyfriend yelled like his team had just won the super bowl. I was crying and laughing!!! And HE'LL deny it til his dying day, but Mr. Man teared up, too. He just doesn't want to admit what a girly-man he is... He only watches The Office for the guy stuff/humor (yeah, right. He really tries to convince me...)!!!

WOW! 4 pages of JAM Therapy to catch up on this morning!


You're right! Pam will be a stay-at-home-mom!


Yes, but Jim and Pam are pushing 30 already. It would not be realistic for them to "date" into their mid-thirties. They are traditional at heart and marriage and kids would definitely be realistic for them. That is why I see engagment and wedding next season as realistic. That way, they can enjoy a honeymoon phase for a couple of years before bringing little JAM babies into the picture. And, Pam will be a stay-at-home-mom. Her career at DM is not important to her. She could be a SAHM and an artist at the same time. She will not put her JAM babies in daycare or have a nanny if she doesn't have to.

Just my take!


ITA--They belong together. Plain and simple! No Jim needing time to get himself together. He's ready for Pam. Has been for 3 long years! Any other insecurities or emotional baggage? Pam will be right there to hold his hand. He will exude confidence and strength just from having Pam at his side, back in his life where she belongs! He raced back to Scranton, busted in on her TH, not because he was hungry for dinner, but because he was hungry for PAM and to quote the immortal words of Harry Burns from When Harry Met Sally, "When you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible."

And that's all I got to say about that! (Forrest Gump)

To continue with the dating debate:

I don't think that Jim and Pam will go out on their date and then decide to "just be friends" for awhile. What purpose would that serve? They are friends; they've always been friends. Now that they have each told the other that they want to be more, what holding them back? We know how Pam feels about Jim; she finally verbalized it at the beach. Despite the cr@p he's been through this season, I don't believe Jim's feelings toward Pam have changed; they've just been deeply buried as a way to hide his pain and survive in Scranton near her. They're both adults nearing 30. They know what they want. They are no longer dating others. The path is clear.

Now admittedly, Jim isn't the type of guy to flaunt his relationship with Pam in front of Karen. We don't know if Karen will stay in Scranton, but I don't think so, since the only thing that brought her there and probably kept her there, was Jim. She admitted she doesn't fit in with the Scranton crazies. She has nothing but comtempt for Michael. So I don't think Karen will prove to be an obstacle to them dating. And it does happen in real life all the time. It would be somewhat awkward, but I don't think an ex is going to keep Jim from being with Pam.

As far as Corporate banning inter-office relationships. If this happens, Jim and Pam will still date on the outside and we'll have lots of fun watching them try to hide their relationship from everyone else in the office. I mean, who's going to report them? Everyone already knows their history from before, and it was made crystal clear with Pam's speech. Most of their office mates have been secretly rooting for them anyway. Dwight and Angela might be sticklers with the rules, but can't do anything, since they are also rule-breakers, and Jim and Pam know about them. Does anyone else have a grudge against them?
Besides Karen, but I don't think she'll be an issue, unless she makes a stink at Corporate, which I don't see that flying, since Wallace likes Jim, and Jim's a more valued employee to D-M.

This makes sense to me. Oh...and what if they have to pretend that they aren't together? For instance...Pam accepts a blind date with a friend of Ryan's from Business School to prove to him that she's not dating Jim.
I'm speculating, which doesn't belong on this thread. Sorry.

Wow, there was a lot to catch up on .... you guys were busy last night!
This is just on my mind, so sorry for the length.


This is exactly what I think will happen as well. After Wallace saw the dysfunction of what happened with Michael and Jan, coupled with the possible fallout of Ryan and Kelly's relationship AND, let's not forget, Karen and Jim's (who was her superior and left her for the receptionist) - we might seriously see some corporate mandate about intra-office relationships, albeit perhaps just between subordinates and supervisors. I don't think that in a company of that size they would create a blanket rule that all office relationships are verboten, but I can see them instituting a guideline against entering into a relationship with a superior. This would create a problem for Jim and Pam. But only from an open-ness standpoint. I definitely think we will get to see lots of longing looks, and stolen moments (not, like, supply closets and stairwell moments - that is the stuff of fanfic).

That being said, I do not think we will see absolute resolution to their relationship this season. We have had two magnificent season finales, that have (let's face it) been JAM-centric. They did a great job of involving other story lines in this year's finale. After all, we are all still buzzing over Ryan being the new boss. But the truth of the matter is that the tension is revolved around JAM. They need that driving force for the life of the show. That means, we may see tension. We may see them on the slow train (not from Philly) in terms of intimacy, commitment, etc. BUT my point is that Jim and Pam most definitely belong together. Everything they have written into this show proves that point above all else. All this garbage TPTB spew to reporters about what might happen is simply to stir the pot, and is not shown AT ALL in how they write the show or these characters. I mean, the reason we have all these JAM discussions, hopes, evaluations, the JP and PD, etc. is because the writers have created the need in our minds to see them come to some sort of end -- and the way all things point is that their end will be together.

I think that ulitmately, we don't want to be let down because GWH was so disappointing and disenchanting. We could not believe that not only were they not together, but they were physically apart. I remember my complaint the entire first few months of S3 was that I wanted Jim and Pam to just be in the same room, g-d it!!!! Like I thought that would solve everything, and take us right back to S2. Of course, that is not what happened. I think no one wants to be that let down again, so some of us may keep our "jim wall" up that nothing good will come in the premiere, they are toying with us, we should expect the worse, etc. But I tink they are going to take us for a great ride in season four. There is no need to be wary. The last couple of episodes of season 2 pointed to Jim leaving Scranton, and that is what he did. The end of season 3 left us with Jim staying in Scranton and dating Pam. I think that is exactly what he will do.

I keep thinking back to Sex and the City when I think about JAM's ultimate fate. (Everyone always mentions F@#$nds here, like that show has any resemblance to The Office, or that relationship. That makes me want to throw up. Stop that comparision altogether!) However in SATC, there were plenty of times when you felt like Carrie and Big belonged together, and plenty of times when you were sure that they didn't. But throughout all of the show, the dynamic was about them -- even when she was with (and engaged to) the "perfect man" Aiden, Big was still a driving force in her life. And yet, they did not get together until the last few moments of the last season. And it was perfect. We don't know if they ever got married, or had babies (probably not) but they were together and we were all satisfied with that.

Like I said, tension and delayed gratification are at the heart of it all. We will be pleasantly delayed for sure. Season 3 was some SERIOUS delayed gratification (did anyone see after CN that Jim and Pam would be kept apart for an ENTIRE season only to have the promise of a dinner date in the season finale? Did any of us think it would take that long, or take that kind of turn?) No. Didn't think so. But, mark my words, they are not writing a coming-of-age story or a tragedy. They have written nothing heretofore but a love story. It just has its obstacles to overcome like all great love stories. But in the end, love conquers all.

^^ PREACH ON, SISTER!! CAN I GET AN AMEN?!?!

(I started to write a loooooong response early this morning, but just didn't even have the energy. Thanks for saving me the trouble by posting such a perfect reply.)

Psst...psst...go over to the JK thread now. O-H left us a nice surprise!

Let's just bring the goodies over here where we can gush with freedom.

Can someone please photoshop Jenna/Pam's face on there...I can almost see it...

Look at those beautiful legs...why, oh why must Jim keep those covered at the office?? Why weren't those legs in shorts on beach day!! The look so much better like that than they did peaking out from under that sumo suit! Thanks for bringing me this beautiful picture. I didn't need that saliva in my mouth anyway!

This would allow for some excellent story lines

For example --

Micheal holds a staff meeting and says he's been asked to remind everyone again about the intra-office relationship policy. He is clueless about who is dating who, so he reminds Meredith about inappropriate flashing.

Pam/Jim, Dwight/Angela share nervous glances during the meeting.

Angela confronts Pam about 'ruining it for all of us' and cautions her to 'tone down her wanton behavior'. Pam snaps back about seeing Angela and Dwight kissing in the office. Angela denies this, but smiles as she turns away. Anglela resumes playing Pam-Pong.

I was going to post this as a peace offering

HTC I agree with you and your post! I always think that Jim and Pam belong together! I also think they they will take the slow train from philly. Really I agree very much with your post!!!

I just always like to see ALL the possiblities.. but then one you suggested is the one that I think is going to happen!!!

That episode would be a good one. With mixing a Jim and Pam prank on Dwight it would be perfect. I wouldn't mind seeing Angela and Dwight retaliate that would add some interesting things for the special box in New York.

what I'll be doing tonight:


--getting on the MB for an insane amount of time

--watching Grief Counseling

--writing a fanfic. I think the office staff will go bowling... any ideas? thoughts? suggestions?

--posting a fanfic link here

--all the while (except when I'm watching the show) listening to really girly music (I actually have a WMP playlist called "Girly")



how is everyone else dealing with this rerun epi?

RC, I loved all your ideas, but the last was my absolute favorite (for obvious reasons...that's so Angela.) I could totally see that as a possible episode next season. Pam is a hussy, after all.

you are SO SMART. I could totally see that. I think this would be great, because it would still keep that tension there. So many people were worried that if JAM happened, there wouldn't be that tension, but this would be good. I mean, there can be the Karen tension, but that can only last for so long before she gets over it (for the most part, anyways) or moves on. But this? This would be a continuing thing if it were a company policy thing, ya know?

Also... think about the ramifications of RAM splitting up... Roy tried to assault Jim and got fired... I mean, there are so many reasons for corporate to clamp down on that.

good thinking, awkward.

I watched Grief Counseling tonight and I think that it is the most JAMless episode of all the episodes. And to top it off, Jim smiles at Karen and is sweet to her. I've got a case of the Mean Reds because of this!

I think that is one reason I decided not to watch it. So as not to have to remeber when Jim was in Stamford.

Yeah, I watched GC during my S3 marathon right before the finale, and I vaguely remember wanting to slit my wrists, so I decided not to watch tonight. Plus I wasn't home. But you know. ..

This is from the Lord of the Rings - Pippin's last name is Took.

Outside the Gates of Moria, Pippin tried Gandalf's patience by questioning the wizard while he tried to find the spell to open the door. Once inside the Mines, Pippin again incurred Gandalf's ire when he dropped a stone down a well and drums sounded in the deep as if in response.

"What's that?" cried Gandalf. He was relieved when Pippin confessed what he had done; but he was angry, and Pippin could see his eye glinting. "Fool of a Took!" he growled. "This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!"
The Fellowship of the Ring: "A Journey in the Dark," p. 327

I know how you feel OO! I was pumped to see GC (I haven't seen it before), and I was disappointed.

Sunchips beat Herr's Chips anyday!

This is rather a depressing episode. I think Jim is trying to replace Pam with Karen.

Meg

sorry, did not know where to put this but I just got it off a Razorback (Arkansas) sports board and thought you might find it funny. Here it is.


OT: Tonights episode of The Office is hilarious.. Reply
I absolutely love this show.

"When my mother was pregnant with me, the ultrasound showed she was going to have twins. But then a few weeks later, they took another ultrasound and I had absorbed the other fetus. I feel that because of that, I am now stronger. I now have the strength of a man and a baby."

This show gets me every time.

and

Yeah, the office is awesome. And the red headed secretary is extremely hot when she's all dressed up. My ol lady showed me a pic from one of her retarded celebrity mags and she looked **** fine, I was surprised.

Love ^^, OO! So perfect!


Yeah, it was sickening the way he looked @ her after she called the store in Montreal & spoke french. He looked really impressed. I am grateful that I was not obsessed w/ TO back when this first aired. Otherwise I would've been losing my mind. And pretty much the only way I can watch all of these earlier eps is b/c I know how it all ends. So suck on that, Fillipelli! (I haven't said much nice about KF, but I will say that in another time in another place I might've liked her. But alas, it just wasn't meant to be.)

It is a pretty funny episode I will give you that but Jenna Fischer (Pam) is fine very fine.

Obviously!


Yah, I think that really bummed me out the most!

After fixating on your sig for a minute or two FNOR, I think I'll go over to youtube and watch the CN kiss to cheer me up!

Ask and you shall receive. This Photoshopped pic is courtesy of the awesome lisahoo, who coincidentally created my avatar. She said she just needed to get Pam and Jim in bed together.


How's that for JAM Therapy?
Here's lisahoo's Livejournal link, lots of great stuff there.
link to lisahoo's LJ stuff

Sweet!! Do you think lisahoo could do that for the whole movie when it comes out?

I am satisfied and smiling!

P.S., Now only if she could make "Jim" looking at "Pam" and smiling! Or move them closer together! (J/K)

WOW! I did miss a lot!

I love the debate. Everyone should always feel free to say what's on their mind about JAM here. We've all got the JAM crazies and it's good to share what's on our minds.

Time to catch up.



I would NEVER revoke your membership You are my number 2!

This is JAM Therapy. We must all feel comfortable sharing our inner most JAM thoughts and feelings within the circle. No judgements, only support.



It's good to be prepared. GWH was a big blow to many of us.

I have two outlooks on JAM. One is what I think will happen on the show. I know that we probably won't see a JAM wedding on camera and that we won't see make out sessions in the supply room. But I do think JAM will be together at the start of S4 and we will see a S4 that is funny, sweet, awkward and surprising.

My second outlook is the "sunshine and lollipops" outlook. This is fanfic land where Jim and Pam are married, having babies, making out in stairwells and doing things we would NEVER see on tv. This is good times and a great distraction. It's a fantasy land. Hmmm...it's weird that I have an alternate fantasy land for fictional characters that are fictional in the first place. A fantasy about a fantasy. Crazy!



Just keep dreaming the dream, sed. Wrap yourself in fanfic and everything will be all right.



We will definitely meet here every Monday at 10. Everyone else here can join in too because they are all eps they have seen before.

It might be fun to post the eps that are showing each Monday so others can watch them at the same time and discuss.


*sigh* Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......

I can't even handle that picture. Another weird sound came out of my mouth when I saw this. It was a sigh and an "Oh".

John, just stop being so ridiculously good looking, ok?


I actually love GC. Just ignore Jim and Karen. Wipe it away.

What I loved about this was Pam. This ep is where you really get to see the sprouts of FNB start to grow.

Here are some of Pam's shining moments:

Did I wake up this morning thinking I’d be throwing together a bird funeral? You never can tell what your day here is going to turn into.

~
Pam: What do we know about this bird. You might think, not much, it’s just a bird. But we do know some things. We know it was a local bird. Maybe it’s that same bird that surprised Oscar that one morning with a special present from above.
Kevin: I remember that, that was so funny.
Pam: And we know how he died. Flying into the glass doors. But you know what, I don’t think he was being stupid. I think he just really, really wanted to come inside our building. To spread his cheer, and lift our spirits with a song.
Dwight: It’s not a songbird.
Michael: Sshhhh.
Pam: An impression, then. Lastly, we can’t help but notice that he was by himself when he died. But of course, we all know that doesn’t mean he was alone. Because I’m sure that there were lots of other birds out there who cared for him very much. He will not be forgotten.
Angela: Amen.

Oh how I love Pam. Let me count the ways.

WOW! Call me naive, but I'm really surprised! No love for Grief Counseling, huh? This was actually one of my favorite episodes of season 3. On a positive Jam note, Pam shows a lot of confidence and develops a bit here (could she be FNB without the steps she took in Grief Counseling?) It's also nice to see such a perfect display of the compassion and love that some other people (cough!Karen!cough!) lack. And aren't we all happy now knowing who ends up together by the end of the season?



This would be perfect...if Jim was smiling. I just can't see him making that face when he's got Pam in bed with him.

Thanks Bees! That's why I really love this place. It's safe and happy, and we're all so friendly in the middle of a "debate" (if you can even call it that.)



My thoughts exactly Bees! Pam was getting stronger and more confident here. She was getting ready to hear some words of wisdom (however harshly conveyed) from Gil. FNB wouldn't be here without Grief Counseling!

We were discussing the other day about John making the rounds on the chat circuit. Well, get your dvrs/vcrs ready!

Wed Jun 20, 2007:
John Krasinski on 'The Late Show with David Letterman.'
Thu Jun 21, 2007:
John Krasinski on 'Late Night with Conan O'Brien.'
Fri Jun 22, 2007:
John Krasinski on 'Live with Regis and Kelly.'

Thanks officetally!

Well, maybe Jim just had a crappy day. Maybe he was out with Michael all day on some ridiculous manager conference, maybe in NY where he had to deal with Michael and Ryan at each other's throats, or god forbid, getting some sarcastic comments from KF (if she's there). But of course, Pam will know how to cheer him up and get him grinning again.

OHHHHH three night of John in a row?? now that is my kind of week!!

Sadly Raleigh does nto see fit to have Mean mag in borders or barnes and nobles.. I am not going to give up! I am going to the mall next!!

Why do I keep staring at his feet?

Happy JAM day!!

I give you three awesome pictures!!
The last one is my fave! That baseball cap with the hair and the blue!!! The pants!! I would love that sneaking around my house anyday!! ( and yes you can take that BOTH ways )

I know I would be smiling.

no wait. I lied... THIS is my fave

buying rings One day Pam and Jim will do that I do like JK and an engagement ring in the same picture. Now if only that was me instead of Mandy

Came across this interview with Kristen again, I thought I'd post. Their chemistry is so amazing!!
I LOVE how embarassed John gets after Jenna mentions him taking his shirt off! He is so adorable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePEetRJPVHY

This is the worst/best celebriy crush I've ever had. Thank you Jim Halpert/John Krasinski for ruining me.

Awesome reference, I think this one sentence says it all.



I agree. Jim and Pam are past the friend zone. They still need to heal, but I think they will heal faster as a couple than sitting on their thumbs thinking about what they want. They want to be together. Mystery solved.



If the fraternization policy is enforced at DM, I think the fact that Jim and Pam's history is such common knowledge will put more pressure for them to hide their relationship. Jim's position as #2 means he should be an example for the rest of the branch, so dating the receptionist is not exactly the best example. Jim is in Wallace's line of sight, it is in a positive way at the moment, but an intra-office dating scandal could change Wallace's opinion of Jim very quickly. Let us not forget Ryan, he may feel the need to show Jim who is boss. Jim and Pam would need to be extra careful, and watching those two find a balance between wooing openly after hours and wooing in secret at work could be a lot of fun.



I really hope hiding their relationship does not go this far.



I did not forget about JAREN, but somehow forgot to include them in my post. Exchanging one co-worker girlfriend for another will bring unwanted attention for Jim and by association, Pam.



I see your point, and understand why shows use this plot tactic. I do think Jim and Pam will take it slow in the beginning, but only the very beginning. The healing process has already begun, so once they realize the magic between them is real and not part of some fantasy they have constructed over the years, why not move as quickly as possible toward happiness together? If the show continues in real time, I see Jim and Pam already in a very serious relationship by the season 4 opener, four months after their first real date. We may not be privy to this knowledge right away (especially if they are hiding their relationship), but at some point we will discover they have been together the entire time. I am just thinking aloud here, but for JAM to be realistic for me, Jim and Pam will be on the express train to 'Absolutely I do'.

If Jim and Pam take the slow route, I will accept this path and enjoy the journey with a slice of skepticism.



This would be an Awesome episode.



Thank you so much Receptionist. I must admit I overlooked the RAM implication when forming my theory. The situation was resolved amicably, but intra-office violence resulting from intra-office dating did not go unnoticed by corporate and it will not be forgotten. Jim has put himself in tight spot if Wallace and corporate decides to enforce the company's fraternization policy.

I agree with this 100%. In fact, I hope one of the debatable points in season four is if Jim and Pam are actually ready for an engagement by Christmas. It's entirely realistic for these two to be quickly engaged in my opinion, and it also helps solve the "cuddling on the couch" issue for TPTB. Get them together; get them engaged and quickly married, and you have a storyline you can address or choose NOT to address for several episodes, and it's still all good.

As to whether we would see the wedding, anything is possible. This is where The Office can be unpredictable: I can see the whole wedding being covered in one of the hour-long episodes, and I can also see a scenario where Jim and Pam go away for the weekend and the camera zooms in on Pam's finger, and then JIM'S finger, ala GWH....only this time, of course, they have rings.

What I honestly, sincerely hope we see is a JAM pregnancy. I have posted this so many times but one of my big wishes on the show is to see Michael Scott ask Pam, EVERY time he sees her, "How did THAT happen?" and laugh uncontrollably. I want so badly to see Jim and Pam to react to this. **sigh**

Would there first be a boy or a girl? Let the debate begin.

Measuring?



This gave me goosebumps! Jim's hand with a ring!!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QKuh-3uYR8

New JAMvid. WARNING: I got misty-eyed.

^^^So sweet!

I missed you, pMS!

This might sound a little odd, but I love how hairy his legs are! Hubby has hairy legs & I sometimes rub his knees. Again, I know it's a little weird, but it's so manly! Men should have cute hairy legs!


Ditto! I probably feel so bad about it b/c I'm married & older than him. Women my age aren't "supposed" to go ga-ga over movie stars, but I can't help myself.


ME TOO!!!!! I actually visualized it in my head! That would be a happy day indeed, the happiest day of all the days.