So why, in the future, why did Sylar not kill the Hatian!? That would be the best power for him to have! Then he'd be impervious to all mutant powers! Sure he couldn't use his powers to kill him, but he's not unfamiliar with blunt instruments or other weapons!

Also, why didn't Parkman know that Sylar wasn't Nathan Patrelli? Were they NEVER in close proximity?

And how exactly would Sylar use his powers against the Haitian, if the Haitian blocks all powers? The Haitian can only be stopped by means other than powers, which Mohinder shows us.

maybe Sylar can control his thoughts.

Sylar cant kill the haitian. The haitian would have prevented sylar from doing so.

Anyway, Matt didnt know sylar was nathan. Sylar made sure he didnt use any powers as "president" in front of people. Only until Peter and Hiro and Ando came, then Sylar let himself go.

Read what I wrote. I said he could NOT use his powers to kill the Hatian, but he COULD use a gun or another blunt object like he did with the first guy he killed.

Parkman can read minds, so he should have been able to see inside Sylars mind that Sylar wasn't Nathan, unless of course future Sylar does have some power that prevents that which I SUPPOSE is possible. Perhaps an Eden McCain like power.

sorry I skimmed that. He needs the Haitian around for when Peter comes knocking. Or he just needs him around to protect Parkman at all times.

Do we know that Matt didn't know? He was really scared of the President, and he really didn't have anything to lose and his life (and his family) to gain. He also seemed to have made a deal when he brought him Claire, when he said he didn't need HRG anymore.

I don't think Matt could know it was Sylar, Sylar probally blovked his thouts from Matt. But Peter releized it was Sylar, since he knew Nathan only had flying powers, he knew his brother doesn't go through walls.

Here's an idea.........Candices powers also block mind reading while morphed.

Here's another one. That's stupid.

I agree with this idea,

Also, I don't think Parkman knew that "Nathan" was really Sylar by the look on his face as "Nathan" confronted Peter in the hallway.

Jon,

But Parkman ignores the powers that "Nathan" suddenly has and seems completely unsurprised/interested in them. I don't think the excuse that his back was turned is quite enough. Maybe Parkman did know that Sylar was the President. However I don't think him bringing Claire was enough. Nathan Patrelli would want to see Claire and Parkman could be helping him find her. For all we know Parkman only knew that Claire was dangerous for the president because of the family connection. But again, the problem is that you can't lie to Parkman... So the only legitimate excuse is that Parkman knows everything Sylar knows...but I still don't see his character being willing to cooperate with Sylar! Ofcourse....then Parkman would also know that Peter was the real bomb and not Sylar... GAH! I will watch it again tonight and get back to this.

Or Parkman hadn't been near enough to read his mind. I mean just because he works for homeland security, doesn't mean he goes to the pub or bbq's with the president.

I have a question that I've been wondering about. In Matt's mind, does it matter who the President is, Nathan or Sylar? It might affect the Haitian, but does Matt have a loyalty to one and not the other? All that matters is that the person is in charge, and he can either do his job or be rounded up like everyone else. At least in a position of some authority he can maybe protect his family a bit more than if he was in jail or dead? Didn't the actor say the power went to his head?

Christ... does everyone think Matt goes around reading people's thoughts just for the **** of it?

Probably not! He probably had ZERO reason to actively try and read the President's mind.

Not everyone would be sadistic and invasive enough to read everyone's thoughts just for fun.

Technically speaking, This isn't X-Men...so they don't have "mutant powers!" The show always says that they have extraordinary powers. The whole theory that Parkman can read minds but hadn't read Nathan/Sylar's mind is perhaps because it may have been an order from the President that Matt cannot read his mind. Why Parkman didn't know that Nathan was actually Sylar is because Matt was ordered to break down the door and kill Suresh and anyone else in the room...or perhaps if Matt had looked back to see the reveal, that Sylar would've killed him. That's my rant anyways!

I agree with you. And I believe that Matt knew that "Nathan" was Sylar, he didn't seem very suprised when Sylar walked up and stuck his hand through a door and pulled Peter out. And he didn't seem very suprised that "Nathan" sudenly morphed into Sylar, and the fact that he had his back turned doesn't count because he would've noticed still, he would've heard Sylars voice and turned around or heard Peter say "My brother can't reach through walls. Who are you?" Or whatever. And he probably already knew about the bomb too or else he would've been very suprised when Sylar said "I'm the guy who was blamed for the bomb, but we know the truth, don't we Pete?" or something very close to that.
Maybe Sylar was going to kill Matt and take his power but they somehow came about a deal and Sylar said that if he worked for him then he wouldn't take his power or something.

I'm sure no one knows that the Nathan was Sylar. After Syler tried to take The Haitian and probably couldn't, he just told the Haitian to make sure that Parkman never is alone with him. Do we ever see Nathan/Sylar alone with Parkman, or is the Haitian always there in the background? (I honestly don't know)

Just a thought...

Which was my original thought on the matter.

I think if you were in Matt's job you would probably want to make sure the guy you were working for was a decent guy. It's not about the **** of it. The president is an important position, you would want to be sure he was at least kind of a good guy if you could. You'd be a complete fool not to.

The other possibility is that the Hatian is always with Parkman when he's near the president, preventing his powers from working.

We don't know when Sylar took over as Nathan. We don't know if Matt ever met the real Nathan. For all we know, Matt read Sylar's mind and just thought "jeez, the president is crazy". If the fake Nathan is all he had ever met, he'd have no standard to compare to think someone was impersonating the president. Maybe Sylar just really concentrates when Matt is in the room. Plus, it's been 5 years. Sylar could have 1000's of powers for all we know including one to block people from reading your mind.

There is constantly talk of DNA and the heroes being the next stage etc. As far as my experience with genetics goes, one calls such changes 'mutations' and I see nothing wrong with using such termonology. So what if it's not X-men? It practically is. We have the term 'mutant' and it's less dorky than calling the 'special' all the time ;-)

Naturally, Sylar COULD have a thousand powers now and maybe he HAS killed someone like the Hatian...but I don't like being so easy on the writers. :-D

I like a good solid plot myself, but this last episode has so many holes and errors in it it'd make my head explode trying to figure it out. =)

0 holes, even fewer errors. It was just an episode that required more thought than others, combining things seen in the GN (if you've read it) and/or things seen back in the first 3 episodes.

1. Parkman thinks of Sylar as a monster.(remember the episode where he finds the little girl)
2. Parkman probably never walked up to the president and asked "Excuse me, sir. Do you mind telling me every single superpower you have just incase you're doppleganged later on?"

I definitely would have used the excuse that Parkman hates Sylar from early on as a reason to know he definitely did not know "Nathan" was Sylar, but all kinds of characters were acting in ways we'd never expect them to in this episode. Maybe in the future Parkman sees things differently.

Anyway, I still stand by that if Parkman had the opportunity to read the president's mind or the mind of any world leader or anyone with that much power, he would take it, especially if he were working for the guy!

But the Sylar he knew was killing individuals. This Nathan he knows is having all SGs hunted down, imprisoned, tortured/killed, while trying to push through an idea to complete genocide.

The haitian's power blocking didn't seem to stop Sylar's doppleganging, so it's probably safe to assume that Parkman mindreading doesn't work on him either.

Ok, so extrapolate the rules of time travel for me from the last show. Without the rules of time travel, we have no idea what the significance of any of the actions shown in that episode are.

Since you asked so nicely:
I'll start by delineating the primary differences I believe exist between F_Hiro's original time line, as seen in the GN String Theory, and what we saw Monday.

Time Line 1
This is the one P_Hiro saw when he initially jumped 5 weeks into the future and first saw the explosion.
F_Hiro did not travel back in time to talk to Peter on the subway.
This means that Sylar really did kill Claire at homecoming, meaning he can now regenerate.
One thing leads to another.
Sylar is building to an explosion (most probably due to stealing Ted's power.)
F_Hiro (before losing Ando and getting all dark and brooding) kills Sylar.
Sylar gets better (Claire's ability, remember) and explodes anyway.
Nathan by a series of flukes gets elected and makes certain the public knows that Sylar is at fault.
Sylar kills several specials, including Candice.
Sylar kills and replaces Nathan, and institutes Operation: **** On Earth.
(We have no idea what gives Peter the scar- but without Claire's ability, it doesn't really matter.)

Time Line 2
This is the one we saw in 5 Years Gone.
F_Hiro travels back and tells Peter to save Claire.
Peter interferes during the homecoming events, and stops Sylar from killing Claire.
Unfortunately, this exposes Peter to both Claire's ability and the entire Heinz 57 mix of Sylar's abilities.
One thing leads to another.
Peter is building to an explosion. (Cause unknown. It could be Ted's ability, but we've seen Peter try and explode without having been exposed to Ted, so there's no need for him in this theory.)
F_Hiro (before losing Ando and getting all dark and brooding) kills Peter.
Peter gets better (Claire's ability, remember) and explodes anyway.
Nathan by a series of flukes gets elected and makes certain the public believes that Sylar was at fault.
Sylar kills several specials, including Candice.
Sylar kills and replaces Nathan, and institutes Operation: **** On Earth.
The Gestapo find Claire and bring her to Nathan.
Sylar gets to kill her, finally, and take her ability.
(We still have no idea what caused Peter's scar. In this reality, it is likely a side effect of the sword and the explosion causing him to either be unable or unwilling to fully regenerate.)

Now and explanation of why (I believe) F_Hiro didn't notice the differences in the Time Line.
Primarily, Hiro's ability allows him to step outside of the normal Time-Space Continuum and move along the Time Stream until he desires to reenter.
When F_Hiro went back to the subway, he caused a ripple effect that minutely shifted the entire Time Stream into a new path. However, since this unraveled over the 5 years between the warning and F_Hiro's time, and F_Hiro was outside the Time Stream during this ripple effect, the changes had no effect on him.

was the Haitian ever near Sylar?

I don't know about anyone else, but I get the impression that Sylar had only just started impersonating Nathan. In fact, I think that actually was Nathan for the whole first half of the show. Sylar told Peter that Nathan had already turned on his own kind when he'd gotten to him. I'm thinking he was telling the truth, and that Sylar made the switch during the show. We already know that Nathan has a pessimistic view of people with abilities. He said once that if it was up to him, he'd round up all of the heroes and put them on an island. Maybe Matt never met President Sylar until the very end, during the raid on the DHS.

Ok, I'm with you up to here. So, Hiro is unaffected by the ripple, I share that thought. But, then he comes back to a place where Claire is still alive, yet there is still a timeline made of string in Isaac's loft that says to go save Claire at homecoming, even though she never died there.

This is where I admit to running into problems.
The Deveaux building is also the only building in the area that is relatively undamaged (aside from some broken glass) bythe explosion.
I think we have to assume Nexus Point or something with the building. I don't think this is so much a plot hole or inconsistency at this point, since both of those assume that it can't be explained. I primarily think the writers will explain it either in the next couple epis or the next couple seasons.

I'm going to shoot for an explanation here. While f_Hiro is outside of the timeline the current Hiro is living through the events. They didn't unfold in the same way, but the outcome is generally the same. Peter had Claire's abilities and he blew up instead of Sylar. So the Hiro that lived through the changed events had to go back again to attempt to change them. He's still building on his previous success by saving the cheerleader, so he would still have the pin-up of saving the cheerleader on his timeline "to do" list. So now you have this Hiro in the past, possibly making other changes to the timeline we're not yet aware of. So now you have to wonder what will happen if the present Hiro, who's gone back to face the pivotal moment with Ando, finally gets it all right this time. It won't make a difference to the original divergent f_Hiro as he's already dead, but what happens to the second divergent f_Hiro that's already somewhere outside of the timestream?

Whether or not Parkman read Nathan/Sylar's mind, couldn't he have just turned around during the Peter/Sylar fight to see the room was turning red and blue as both of them started to fight?

Still doesn't make sense why he would continue to try to knock down the door if he knew it was sylar at that point.

It seems like Parkman only reads peoples minds after he asks them a question, like when he was interrogating Hiro he would ask a question then tilt his head like he was scanning for his thoughts or something. Since this episode is five years in the future Parkman has likely mastered his ability so he can only read minds when he focuses. He might not want to let his mind roam and read everyone's mind as this caused him headaches in the begginning of Heroes.

So this leads me to beliebe that Parkman wouldn't read Nathan's mind at all because whenever he got orders he didnt question them at all he just did them. So in my opinion Parkman who has always been kind of slow just never thought that Nathan was Sylar thus there was no reason for him to read Nathan's mind.

Couldn't Parkman of met "Nathan" after he had already been replaced by Sylar, and was simply told that he is able to take powers just like Peter? I mean they are brothers and all, he would have no reason not to believe that they have the same, or similar, ability. Which would explain why he wasn't surprised when he phased through the wall to grab peter.

Granted it doesn't mean much, by the light coming from behind the closed door matt was probably killed just because he was so close to their fight.

Peter stated that he knew it wasn't his brother because his brother can't do that power!

Exactly. Theoretically, The Haitian and Parkman could have been hired by Nathan Patrelli and set to work. In the mean time Sylar takes over the presidency and is never after that point in range of the Hatian or Parkman enough to be effected by their powers. Tada!

I also think Parkman flinches a bit when Sylar shows up as Nathan, like he can feel something isn't quite right, but doesn't have time to investigate the feeling.