There seemed to be a lot of end of episode scenes that sent a message of change, Cragen in uniform going in to talk to some big shots in the department, Casey being called to branches office, kathleen in the patrol car. So I thought it might be interesting to see what people think will happen

I for one think they ought to play musical captains in the L & O universe, FINALLY promote Van Buren to captain and have her take over SVU (love to see her handle Stabler and she'd love Munch a buddy of Lennie's), demote Cragen and send him back to the 2-7 (I think it might settle the problem with salaries because I'll bet Merkerson gets more than Florek because she never had the interruption in her career at L & O like he did AND she's got all those awards

I'm wondering if Dianne Neal is quitting or if this is another shuffle, Branch is retiring (So Thompson can run for president - we think) and Sam Waterston is finally going to step up and become DA, so maybe Diane Neal is up for EADA on L & O? Then they bring in some new big name actor or actress to play the prosecutor on SVU (hey a couple of shows just got cancelled with some fairly strong actors)

Then theirs the Stablers, man what a soap opera. I'm kind of tired of it. Wish it would settle down some, I liked family man Stabler. Plus I'm tired of them ignoring Fin and Munch and with the new guy Lake that means even less time for Fin and Munch

How many votes per category are there? I can see several possibles in that last one.

My choices aren't on your list.

Cragen wasn't being reprimanded, I think he was in the DA's office to turn in the other officer for getting into personnel files and blabbing to the defense.

Casey was being called to Branch's office to learn about the other officer's fate and to file charges.

It's Kathleen, not Maureen, who was arrested. And I doubt she'll do any jail time as the penalty for DUI is suspended license, potential fine and probable probation. I believe they took her away in handcuffs because they could no longer treat her any differently than any other DUI suspect.

Elliot will move back home to work things through with Kathy and be there for the pregnancy. Only time will tell if he stays with her or not, but I'm betting he will and do some serious soul searching to determine how much time he'll allot to the job and how much he'll devote to his family.

The last two are multiples, the first is a one choice

Casey would not be the ADA to bring those charges and the Lt said he was retiring so what could they really do to him.

I always get the oldest two girls names screwed up. I'll see if I can fix that

the Lt said he was retiring so what could they really do to him.

He hasn't retired yet. They could deny him his pension and benefits.

I thought that the "dirty cop" that ratted out the detectives said that if Darious is found innocent because of Cragen's detectives then there is a chance that he could be asked to resign and if he refuses they will force him to go elsewhere. At least that is what I thought the conversation between them was about.

I thought that the "dirty cop" that ratted out the detectives said that if Darious is found innocent because of Cragen's detectives then there is a chance that he could be asked to resign and if he refuses they will force him to go elsewhere. At least that is what I thought the conversation between them was about.


The consersation goes:
Lt James: If the state loses this trial over the preception of police misconduct, they'll ask for your resignation.
Cragen: Which they won't get.
Lt.ames: Then they'll transfer you to Outer Mongolia, where you'll break. You see I thought this through.
CragenAnd what will the bosses say when they find out you 've been feeding information to the defense.
Lt.James: I've already put in my papers. I'm retiring. And when I'm done, even your rabbi the Chief of Detectives won't be able to bail you out.

Sorry gang I change the poll to reflect that I had the wrong stabler daughter's name and it blew away votes (mine included!) I don't know if it will let people revote or not
If I'd realized this I would have left it alone

Thanks! I knew it had something to do with Cragen being asked to be resigned if the case went down the drain because of Elliot, Olivia and Fin. Though I am still uncertain as to why Olivia even went to IAB. As far as I remember, she never even took the stand nor was she questioned by Darious or his lawyer. Was she just doing it out of her own good will or did she do it because she was afraid that it would one day come back to bit her in the butt?

It appeared to me that Cragen was in the office *before* the verdict was rendered as he got up to leave moments after Casey was given the note to see Branch. That's why I think he turned in the dirty cop, who would be denied his retiree benefits and could be charged for accessing confidential files (don't know what the charges would be, but he'd get into trouble for doing it).

Though I am still uncertain as to why Olivia even went to IAB. As far as I remember, she never even took the stand nor was she questioned by Darious or his lawyer. Was she just doing it out of her own good will or did she do it because she was afraid that it would one day come back to bit her in the butt?

The detectives were in Cragen's office when he told Elliot that IAB expected to see him by the end of business that day. Olivia had to know it as just a matter of time before they called her in. Greyson had gotten the information about her helping Simon. There was a process server looking for Porter so he could testify. Even though she didn't testify, people knew something was up. So sh event to IAB before they had a chance to call her in.

I think she was worried it would hang over her head, and I think she felt it was the right thing to do. That is why she also made Porter give a statement, so everything is out in the open.

I don't think anything will happen to the Captain really, maybe look a little bad for the conduct of his command. Honestly. the insident with Fin was before he came to SVU, cannot be placed on Cragen shoulders.


Oliva and Elliot are different. IAB has had Elliot on their radar for a whiie, mainly due to is rage issues, although what he did for his daughter was wrong, you have to know a lot of cops would have, and have done the same thing. While Olivia has been for the most part on the straight and narrow, this one thing is a big one. I think she is in the most trouble, I bet she will be ( or at least when the show starts again have been) suspended, and have a permanant mark on her jacket.

I don't think casey will be in any trouble just get a tounge lashing from her boss. She didn't do a good job, but she didn't do anything wrong.

I am sure Kathleen will get a suspended license(already burned) and probation.

Elliot is an honorable family man, and a good catholic, he will go home. Allthough I have doubts he still wants to.

Munch was clean, so maybe he will get promoted.

Cragen maybe in deeper than you think, he was present at Darius' confession. He's a captain, he should know to hold off and wait on the lawyer when the other charge was brought up. And then there's the captain is responsible for his people He's got at least 3 wild canons. As to the timing, I'm not sure you can make anything of that they were just doing a montage and maybe it wouldn't have mattered whether Casey won or lost, he would still have been in deep. I think if that Lt has turned in his papers then it might be there's nothing they can do to him because it only takes a short time for a retiring officer to be out, maybe a few weeks (at least going from when Briscoe retired). Maybe they can get him for obstruction of justice or something but he seemed pretty sure he had his bases covered. What I'm thinking is all of this is a signal of the future, remember Wolf promised fans of the franchise that all the comfort zone actors would be back, but that there would be the typical cast shake ups. Maybe he doesn't want to risk SVU going the way of Law & Order

For a long time fan of Munch this is the most unbelievable thing possible, his character originated on Homicide Life On The Streets and fans of that show are pretty much convinced (especially since Belzer says he believes it) that Munch committed a revenge killing on a guy who shot (didn't kill) his partner and 2 other cops and walked. Besides that there was the Amy Solway thing (although that's one I think they did manage to keep in house). But the defense was stupid not to try to dig up dirt on Munch although I guess getting the confession thrown out maybe they didn't they had to.

I think Kathleen's arrest was done for dramatic purposes I don't really see anything major coming off it. She's a good kid whose kept her nose clean since the DUI.

Cragen I think was going to the bosses to reveal how the LT (sorry cann't rember his name) was sharing his detectives personel files with the defense attorney.

Olivia she'll probably get reprimanded but I don't see her losing her job over the incident. Of course considering that she is a main character it would be a bit problematic.

Elliot oh Elliot I don't even know where to begin. His situation is too much of a mess for me to make sense of it right now.

Fin will internalize this whole mess and move forward thats just how he is.

Munch wasn't touched much by all of this but I would love to see him move to one of the other law and order series so that he can get the deserved screen time that he doesn't get on SVU.

I am new the the board and I am so lost from this weeks season finale!!

I hope nothing changes, I love law and order svu just as it is. I dont think I could watch anymore if Olivia nad Elliott werent on it.

I hope captain creagan was going in the the big office to turn in that stupid lt. Ugh that made me soo mad.

I think Elliott will move back home and get back together with Kathy. I wanted him and Olivia to get together but then figured that woudl make it awkward on the show.

Kathleen will get a fine and probation but nothing major.

As for Phin I am not sure, that still throws me.

Olivia better not leave. I think she will get into trouble but not leave the show.

And munch is just munch.

"While Olivia has been for the most part on the straight and narrow, this one thing is a big one. I think she is in the most trouble, I bet she will be ( or at least when the show starts again have been) suspended, and have a permanant mark on her jacket."

While Olivia doesn't have the volume of compliants that Elliot has, she has plenty of her own. In Abuse she had a restraining order filed against her and a Disiplanary hearing on her conduct. She participated in the rave raid in Runaway. She and Elliot were held and questioned by the feds in Disappearing Acts. She and Elliot filed false arrest documents in Ghost. She violated procedure in Philadelphia. She beat the rapist in Florida. She has killed two men in the line of duty.
Saint Olivia she is not.

Kathleen will get a fine and probation but nothing major.

I don't think this will happen. There has been a charge of cover-up over this and the DA's office can't afford any more bad publicity over the charge of favoritism. I expect Kathleen to be given the maximum the law allows.
And Elliot is going to blame himself for it.

By the way, welcome Lil bucky724. Glad to have another voice here.

Well, I bet once he sees his newborn baby and hold it in his arms for the first time, the doubts will disappear quickly on his attitude of being a single man for the last two years. I can understand that new feeling of being single and lost and then finding his own feet but wants to come back home and then deciding that he liked the single life (isn't that right Rebecca and Dani?) and well, boinking his wife and getting her pregnant...sheesh what a typing twister I just experienced!

Who came up with this Saint Olivia thing? Who ever said she was a saint? She is a human that makes mistakes like everything else.

I also believe in infiltrated Casey said she had a spotless record.

Besides, being questioned on something does not necessarily mean it will go on your jacket. You also have to prove wrong doing. Disappearing Act, they were nothing filed, they did nothing wrong. In ghost they were not charged either. Both killings were good shootings. That fact is a lot of what you mentioned ws not done alone and despite the outcome done with the best intentions.

Not the case with Philly and Florida. She was obviously wrong on both accounts, but did Cragen report her to IAB? No, so it wouldn't be on her jacket. It will now because she probably will have to tlell the whole story (except about beating the perp, I will cry for him later).


You forgot she leaked confidential information to a writer in Storm. He went to jail for refusing to name her as his source, so they can't prove that either.

Thanks for the nice welcome. i am glad I found this place becaasue I LLLOOOVVVEEEE SVU!!!! I watch it anytime I can and almost everynight.

when does the new season start?? I guess I just dont want any of the characters to leave, that would stink.

Who came up with this Saint Olivia thing? Who ever said she was a saint?

Actually it was Elliot who referred to Olivia as a saint.
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As to what is in Olivia's file, remember back to Paranoia. IAB has spies called field operatives throughout the police force. They gather information. It doesn't matter if it's true or provable. It's a starting place for IAB to investigate. And they don't put it in the official jacket.
How do you think Lt James got all the dirt on Finn, Elliot and Olivia?

when does the new season start?

The scheduled date for the Season 9 premiere is September 25. This could change if there is a writers' strike.

The "SaintOlivia" thing came about a couple of years ago when it appeared that no matter what she did, she never got into trouble for it, while Angry!Elliot was always in trouble with someone. It got to be such a joke on the Internet that the writers actually had Elliot make a snide remark about "Olivia's no saint".

I am sorry I am all new to this site..

What is a writers strike?

Really, I never knwe that, haha.

is that when Elliot replied, when Cragen said "I don't know how Olivia put up with you for so long" he said "Well Olivia is a saint".

This is a quick version. Scripted television series are written by members of the Screen Writers Guild. Their contract is up this summer. If a new one isn't agreed on before then, they can go on strike. If they do, production of new episodes will stop.
KatRose posted an article about this in the thread "SVU in the Media" if you want more information.

Actually it's not the Screen Writers Guild, it's the Writers Guild of America. But it's not just them, that could be out on strike, SAG (Screen Actors Guild) is also in a contentious negotiations with the producers (overall, not show specific) over their new contract. It's something that plays out every 3-4 years, with most contracts being signed before any strike is even called for, let alone started.

This time it could be a little different because of the issues both the Writers and Actors are trying to stand firm on: higher residuals from DVD sales, residuals from Internet productions, plus additional contributions into the health and pension plans. There's a lot more, but these are just some of the bigger ones that could cause some problems for TV production later this year.

That's one of the reasons that SVU is shooting Season 9 episodes now, trying to make sure they have something in the can if the strike is called.

You know how they do a lot of what they call tandem shows where half the cast is shooting one show and the other half is shooting another and so we don't see the entire entourage together, well maybe they are going to do that even more consciencely this next season and that's another reason for bringing in the Chester Lake character (aside from trying to be ready when Chris Meloni finally leaves)

Here's my thought, the cast has pretty much doubled since the first season (initially there were 4 main detectives & the captain - their were also 2 detectives who had minor supporting roles. An ADA dedicated to the squad was added in season 2)

1.Olivia
2. Elliot
3. Munch
4. Fin
5. Cragen
6. ADA Novak
7. ME Warner
8. Huang
9. Morales (The TARU tech)
and now we also have Lake

IF Munch were promoted to Lt. which would get him out of the field, something I think they've been subtly doing more and more lately, he could run a second shift they could have Elliot with Fin on one shift and the Olivia with Lake on another or they could change it up, the supporting characters Novak Warner, Huang, Morales would float between both shifts as necessary. I bet it's headed that direction

You mean some thing like what they did with CI? I hope not.
Besides KatRose did say in one of other threads that the new season has shows that are more with the earlier seasons with the old ensemble feel to them.

The reason for the tandem episodes is to fulfill the need to shoot more episodes in less time than most shows. The only way to do that is the split the cast two or three times a year (for 4-6 episodes).

But your observation that SVU has more regular cast than in the beginning is dead on. There are more people, which necessitates moving around the supporting cast more than in the past and regardless of what some fans think, as far as the show and network are concerned, the two main leads are Chris and Mariska. Everyone's important, but not everyone's equal.

I personally think that the reason Adam Beach is joining the cast is because Richard Belzer wants to be working less on the show - perhaps to do more live theater/comedy shows or perhaps just because he'd like to relax a little after a very full and active life. Having Adam come on two years before Chris leaves seems to me to be odd. Could happen, but I don't personally believe it is.

I read through the threads quite a bit and whenever there are new cast members on either CI or SVU I am constantly seeing people knock them. Eventually I believe if SVU gets past season 10 they are going to have to change the cast up. Actors and Actress can only stay in a role so much and then they have to move on, and I do believe that is going to happen. I am not saying that I want it to; I am a huge Mariska Hargitay fan, but I also relize that she as already said and is going to do other things some day. I really think us fans need to give the new cast members more of a chance if we are really loyal to the show. Are we fans of the actors or of the writing of the show?

Mariska has said that she's probably not going to stay past season 10. Which is tragic, but at least I have two more years to cope. I hope they don't cancel it all together, although she is a major reason for why I even watch the show.

Anyway, I actually agree with you. All of the new cast members-Casey & Dani especially- have been received really harshly. I like both of them! I think a lot of people warmed up to Casey (once she learned how to match her clothing and such), but there was still a ton of a lot of criticism in the beginning. As for Detective Lake, I really hope people are nicer this time. I think he has a lot of potential.

I agree with you but then it would mean that the writers actually do something about the characters they bring in the show, and respect the fans a little bit.

I'm a Casey fan and it's her character that got me hooked on the show (hence my website), I couldn't really stand Alex Cabot.
Her character in the first episode butt-heads with Benson and Stabler right away.
She's red hair and a little unsecure about her being the right person to handle ADA in SVU.
Then well at the end of season 5, she's almost blond, all her unsecurities vanished.

I'm not saying that the writers should have shown us in each episode how she coped with the new job, or how she fell in the bottle of dye, or how she suddenly became the squad new pal.
All I'm saying is that the show's writers should really develop a personal history to the 'guest' characters.
Of course it's SVU's trademark that we don't know a lot about their personal life (but we got a lot of personal stuff regarding Benson and Stabler lately, no?).
In that respect, I love the scene at the end of Influence (7x22) when Novak tells Benson about her past boyfriend who turned schizophreniac.
It's powerful, beautifully played and never mentioned again.

Weird that in episode Coerced (5x06) it didn't really bother ADA Novak that much that the guy was a schizophreniac who didn't take his medication which was exactly what happened to her ex boyfriend.
Sure it was only her second appearance in the show (and they might not have kept her character) but really writers should have some kind of database where they list what they already mentioned about every character... of course it applies to main characters and guest ones.

As for Dani well I guess the 'hate' from the fans can be explained in many ways: she replaced Benson while she went undercover (MH's fans must not have been very happy), she became awfully close to Stabler (EO shippers must had a seizure!).
For my part, I liked her. She proved that there are other female cops who can handle the job in SVU (although she had a hard time at the beginning).

As for the new detective, well we saw him very briefly in Screwed but was it necessary to mention before he actually joined the squad, that he would have a relationship with Novak?

But I believe I went a little off-topic
L8rs!
GL

There is although an other 'problem' with SVU. Lately we got some possible bombshell which never blew, like Cragen threatening to split Benson and Stabler.
It was a big cliffhanger at the end of an episode, and the next everything went back to normal.

Back to the topic.

Well I doubt anything will happen to Casey, she did the best she could with what she had. She said it at the beginning at the episode, she knew their records were clean but she will have to prove it. Not her fault they digged into every detective's past to 'create' misconduct.
And the woman bringing her the note was probably waiting outside before the verdict reached Branch's ears.
I'd love to see her rank up, but I doubt it, she's rather new in the job.

Stabler's daughter should really get sanctionned for her conduct.
Judge Donnelly told him that it could be serious.
Licence suspended, fees and public works should do.
With Kathy pregnant, Elliot will come back home. That's where he was heading not so long ago.

Olivia went willingly to IAB (I believe to avoid have this coming back later to bite her a**), I hope they won't get too harsh on her, it was blood calling and with her history, they should be nice to her.


Sidenote: do we know until when they are shooting season 9 episodes?

I have a question for you, it's serious, I need your opinion on this.
Don't flame me, since it's not going to happen in the show.

If Olivia Benson were to quit SVU, what would she do?
Stop being a cop?
If so what would she do? If not, what squad could she join?

Same question for Casey Novak.
Would she stop being an ADA?
Leave the justice field?

Thanks in advance for your help!
GL

Ok for those wondering, I have a fic in progress and well, they might quit so ....

You didn't go off topic, your statement was about as true as they come. as far as the shippers and the MH fans and etc...I actually thought your (MH's fans must not have been very happy) and (EO shippers must had a seizure!). was hillarious.

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I agree with you but then it would mean that the writers actually do something about the characters they bring in the show, and respect the fans a little bit.

I also agree....they do need to work on the characters a bit, but I have actually liked all the charactors that they have brought on....it was different.

Sidenote: do we know until when they are shooting season 9 episodes?

They started shooting sometime in April after a break in March. The new publicity stills of Mariska with August says they were on the set on May 17. How long they will continue to shoot will depend on TPTB. Dick Wolf likes to let the breaks coincide with school vacations so his employees can spend them with their kids.

and DW will be in Monaco at the end of next week ....

I cant see Liv ever leaving the squad. If she does leave the 1-6 then she'd probly just join another unit...shes too dedicated to do anything else.

And Casey...god forbid she leave but for the sake of your fanfiction I could see her touring the world for a year or something...heh heh or maybe teaching a self-defense class and coaching little leauge softball for a little extra money or something.

Hope it gave you some kind of inspiration! Oh, and let me know where you posted it so I can read it please.

Here's a starter scenario for you.
Branch loses the next election and there's a new DA. He's one of those people who thinks rape is a feminist invention and thinks SVU is a waste of the taxpayers' money. He wants to scale back the number of detectives in the squad and reassign Casey because SVU doesn't need its own ADA. Olivia and Casey quit in protest.
They are approached by the parent of one the victims they helped in the past. He wants to set up in memory of his daughter a non-profit center to help abused and threatened children. He wants Casey to head the legal team and Olivia to be her investigator.
They would still be in contact with the reduced squad at SVU. Cases that can no longer be investigated by SVU are sent over to the center. Information can flow both ways. And any crime that has enough evidence to insure conviction can be sent to the DA's office.

Yeah, I completely agree-the writers kind of messed up Casey's character. I'm not gonna lie, I was a pretty big Alex fan, and I was sad to see her go. I always did like Casey, but I could see how some people would be annoyed. But she underwent a drastic personality & apperance shift in S5 & S6. It was almost like they said "Oops we messed up. Let's just reinvent her!" Very very strange. I wish they would have done it more gradually, or just not done it at all.

Also, GraeLeigh-what's your website?

I think they could both be SUPERMODELS!
But hey, maybe that's just me.

I actually feel in love with Casey because she was the first ADA that I had seen. The reason I did not like Dani was because of the kiss and the fact that she so easily replaced Olivia as Elliot's partner and friend. But I do have to admit that I am really looking forward to seeing Det. Lake and Det. Tutuola working together.

. But I do have to admit that I am really looking forward to seeing Det. Lake and Det. Tutuola working together.
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I also look forward to seeing those to work together. I really don't remember to much of his character in past episode...but I will see. Does anyone think they are going to keep that one det. that liked Olivia...the one helping them find simon...sorry can't remember his name, but does anyone think they a going to bring him back.

You mean PORTER! Yessssss! I am becoming a Porter/Liv shipper, I swear. I think they're together. I mean, who hints that they'd like to stay at your place if you're not dating?
Ahhh I love Porter...

I am so looking forward to Olivia and Dean to get together to. They are so hot together and I want her to get some lovin' already!