And the case against marriage continues to grow.




I still don't believe you.




I live in Scranton. And you and I have *very* different definitions of what a date is.

^^^ what is a scranton date like?

last night at the fairgrounds it was funny to see all these couples snogging during the fireworks. Then I thought.. but they can not see the fireworks it occured to me they might not really want to see them

Is there some unwritten code that says you make out on the 4th of July under the fireworks??

What's that statute say about male hand placement during said fireworks makeout sessions?

I see... This could work to my benefit!

A gentleman does not kiss and tell...and neither do I.

Well, I suppose there's no way to convince you....so I guess I'll stop now and cut my losses.

harlequin are all scranton guys like that?? Must be something in the water there

^^^Lead, maybe?

Oh yeah, I forgot about Bob Loblaw. And he was also in this nice little indie movie called The Bread, My Sweet.

Do tell. I want to know what you think a date is. Just to see if any of us have ever been on a date, of course.


Well, they start making out first, and they think they are seeing fireworks because of who they are making out with. They don't realize everyone else can see the fireworks, too.

Remember Love, American Style? Yeah, neither do I.

What can I say, I'm a hard sell.




Mmm...I wouldn't say all of them, but I know a few. One of my closest friends though...he's like...a committment junkie. Not in the sappy way, necessarily, but... yick...<makes the noise Michael does when he thinks of Toby>




More than likely...it's all the coal. Well, *my* experience with dating typically goes something like this...

-Phone call
-Meet up (wherever the location may be.)
-Drink and talk
-Drink and talk some more
-Go somewhere else, usually a place with some degree of privacy
-A cigarette in the mouth, a handshake and a goodbye

That's what I grew up with though.

^^^ that actually sounds nice..here guys first thing they wanna talk about is..when you gonna let me hit that.

That is a great reason why I don't miss being single.

Liz!!!

So, my date was freakin' awesome. I picked her up and we drove to downtown St. Louis to go to the City Museum (this awesome place with tons of stuff to do), but when we got down there, we decided to go to the Arch. Well, it turns out they're still having Live on the Levi, a free concert series this July, and Los Lonely Boys were playing a free concert on the riverfront beneath the Arch. It was freakin' awesome. After the band played, they had an awesome fireworks display which lasted about ten minutes. After the fireworks, we walked up to Caleco's and got some food. As we ate our food, we talked about movies and what we liked and didn't like, and we pretty much had similar tastes. I was quite shocked. After dinner, we walked to Keener Plaza - a plaza in the heart of downtown with fountains and stairs. I can't begin to describe the beauty of downtown St. Louis on a clear Friday night to anyone who hasn't been there. The way Keener Plaza lines up with the old courthouse and the Arch is just absolutely beautiful. We stood and looked at the view for a few minutes and went for a walk. We walked over to Busch Stadium and she showed me the brick that her father had paid to have their names engraved on. It was really cool. After that, we walked back to my car and left downtown. On the ride back to her car, we talked about ghosts and aliens and things and it was really cool that we thought the same kind of things about it. We got to her car and we hugged and both said we had a really good time. Sorry, no kiss this time. Basically, it was an awesome night that went way better than I had expected. We held hands a lot throughout the night, and we even cuddled during the fireworks. We seemed to have a lot of things in common, and we are definitely going out again.

I'll tell you what, that puts me in a good mood scotty, congrats. Let's just say that mine was pretty horrible and leave it at that. Your success brings forth hope to us guys who can't find a decent date.

Scotty, I am so happy for you !!!!!! And, and yes, I am jealous (but in a good way, I just can't remember the last good date I had).

But does she like The Office????

What a great date Scotty! Congrats!

Scotty, that's so sweet. I'm happy for you.

She's never heard of it, actually. But I told her that it's my favorite show and that I'm going to Scranton with BJB in October and she thought that it sounded really cool.


OH, you sonofabitch you.

The answer is no...but I did last Saturday.

woo hoo scotty. Glad to hear your date went so well. How did you not kiss under the arch with those fireworks?? I loved it there when I was there.

get to watch the office and then it will be a perfect match.

Scotty! TMI my friend. TMI.

After the glowing report about your date, that almost sounds like cheating. Even if it was before your date. (j/k)

If I ever have a date, maybe I'll ask to meet him in St. Louis.

That sounds like the perfect date scotty! Way to go!

oh sammy you've got that song stuck in my head now. meet me in st. louie, louie.

Will there be another date soon scotty?

He did, but only when he was by himself.

I did not expect that!

From now on, you must estimate me.

VB, if I wanted, I could have gone way past second base with myself. TMI? You asked for it.

There will probably be another date next week. No details as of yet.

Plus you wouldn't have to take yourself out to eat first.

Yay scotty! That sounds like a lot of fun...maybe you won't be posting in this thread for much longer

but will he still respect himself after

But if he DOES decide to take himself out to dinner beforehand it probably fells nice to know he can order the most expensive thing on the menu without feeling obligated to put out. Only if he wants to .

what if things move too fast? Will scotty break it off or get serious?

I have that funny womens gut feeling going on. Could be a couple of shakey days ahead

No, but he does crave a cigarette afterwards.


I am sick of bridal showers. When it is my turn to get cool, free stuff that I have picked out for myself??????

I never even had a bridal shower. My maid of honor sucked. My mom and grandma felt bad about it, so they said, "well, we can throw you a family bridal shower, or we'll buy you a vacuum and microwave." I didn't want a pity shower, so I took the appliances.

Amen sistah! I've spent a fortune on my friends and acquaintances for their wedding and baby showers since college(13-14 years). By the time I get to have one everyone will be too old to care. I have often thought I'd just go register for some stuff and send out my own invitations and see what happens. Probably really tacky...but

Scotty....sounds like a great date. Good for you!! As soon as you decide where and when the second one will be, you must let us know. Yipppeeee!

^^^^I have thought of that myself. When I lived in my apartment, I thought it would be a great idea so my family would know what to get me for Christmas and birthdays.


For a long time I didn't want a shower because I hate attending them so much. But now I figure, for the amount of dough I've forked out on other people, I'm due. Plus, now most of my cousins have kids who are now having showers, so I can invite them, and so on, and so on, and so on.....

YAY scotty I am so proud of you!!!

Did you get cookies and cream ice cream??

Has VB always been this funny and I never noticed??? This is the 3rd time in the past 2 days that I laughed hard at a VB post.

I always considered VB one of the 'sweet' ones here. Always kind and compassionate with a nice word for everyone.

Now my labeling system is totally blown!!! I had neat labels for each of the ladies here - sweet, smart, firecracker, funny, compassionate.

Now my system is totally off!

No kidding!! Hmmm I think I am going to start a new trend-a singles shower!

When you know the couple is one of those that are up and down and get married anyways, is it okay to buy a semi cr@ppy gift because you don't feel the need to spend a lot when you know they will end up divorced with in a year?

Oh...there's something that comes in-between the privacy and the cigarette

BTW, Scotty, congrats on the date.

It is more than okay, it has been done many times before.

If I don't really "believe" in a couple, I will skimp on the wedding gift. Come to think of, I think a lot of people didn't believe in us, because we got some really cheap gifts!!

"shakey days" .... interesting word selection there Liz.





I'm with you guys on this one. There's an episode of Sex and the City that talks about this. Carrie (Sarah Jessica Parker) goes to a baby shower and the parents ask her to take her shoes off before entering the house, so she does, but they end up getting stolen. Her friend refuses to pay her for them because they cost $400. So she goes back and adds up all the money she's spent on her friend ... wedding gifts, wedding showers, baby showers, etc., and sends her friend an "I'm NOT having a baby shower" invitation, and notes that she's registered at Manolo Blahnik's (for men out there, it's a shoe brand).

I love that episode! It's so true! When do the singles get a party to celebrate our singledom?

As soon as marriage stops being the "in" thing to do. So...once the moral majority can be convinced otherwise

A friend of mine is hinting that she is getting married again soon to her boyfriend. I refer to him as "the big faced mother" She's one of my best friends but I don't believe their relationship will last. I just wanted to make sure it's okay to send a cheap gift. Thanks wedd for making me feel better about it

Yes sharla I used some interesting words.

My brother told me his daugther who is getting married next month can't fit into her dress cause she's gotten altered smaller than her normal size..crash diet. I know many women do that, but kill yourself like that?

I don't miss being single as well because if I was who would I whine to about my problems? Boyfriends and fiances have to take it.

O-H are we testing the life of a single woman?? Have you thrown something else now at the hubby?

okay. I'll buy that.


I mentioned to the brit that if wanted to be single he could be...easily. He said nope. He told me no matter what happens I'm stuck with him and thats how it's going to be.
I could either take that as we'll always be together, thick or thin. We love each enough to work through any problem or he's going to follow me and stalk me and secretly tape me and be very scary. I should get him to clarify that.

This just shows what a complex human being I am. And yes, i have always been funny.

Will you write my next reference letter?


Definitely! I even had a friend who got married for the second time - in the same church, wearing the same dress! It was so awful - at least she had different bridesmaids. She got a cheap gift both times. Plus, I was just out of college and still poor then, so I had an excuse.

okay I find it alittle much to wear a wedding dress when you've been married more than once. And never wear the same dress.

UGH someone just asked me when are you marrying nick? If I knew that I wouldn't be upset by that question!

I knew this girl who wore her wedding dress to our formal office Christmas party, because she "only wore it once and not everyone got to see it." And that was her second wedding. She divorced her first husband to marry the pool boy. Then she kept complaining about how she had no money.