Personally I think Porter is a jerk and he sets off all kinds of alarm bells with me as far as showing classic signs of being a batterer/commiting domestic violence.

But hey--it's just a show and it will be fun to see what everybody else thinks.

No offense to those that are rooting for an Olivia/Porter pairing....but I pray Liv is smarter than that!

BRING ON THE LOVE!!! I hope they do get together. Olivia needs love and I hope Dean can provide that. It would be awesome if they could get together. Thanks for making this thread. I have been thinking about it for the past 2 days and wasn't sure if I should.

Where the heck have you seen that? I mean sure he was a bit of a gerk in Infultrated but near then end he was a pretty nice guy and has shown himself to be so. He helped Olivia with Simon, he got her off from possibly lossing her job and he was there for her and even tried to talk her out of confessing to IAB about Olivia sending money to her brother; a convicted fellon. So please tell me where you got the idea that Dean could be a batterer? I am not being mean or anything; just curious.

I think Porter is an available option to a serious relatioship for Olivia, they look nice together (at least they do in the LovelyMariska`s new signature , which is great)

They could be together on the next season, or the next two seasons, but I dont`t know if it could be a longlife relationship, I mean I don`t know if Porter could be "the forever after" for Olivia

(I`m sorry if my writting is horrible, but I don´t speak english, so I´m tryng to do my best, PLEASE be patient with me )

Why do I think Porter might be a batterer.....

He is overly controlling of Olivia and tells her what to do rather than letting her speak her mind.

It seemed like he went out of his way to be the officer to confront her about sending money to Simon--although that might be more he wanted to see her again.

He said he would have shot her brother when he had the chance--even knowing that Olivia believed he was innocent or at least questioned his guilt.

He said he wanted to come over to her house-not that he wanted to see her (stalking maybe--it's a reach I know )

I guess its just that overall he gives me a creepy vibe and since I work for a DV shelter maybe I am overly sensitive

I could not disagree more. First of all, I don't think we've seen him in enough episodes to label him a batterer. That's a stretch.

He is not controlling of Olivia. What about in Infiltrated, when he let her do her thing with the victim? He even admitted that she had a way with the victims.

He may have confronted her about sending money to Simon, but then made sure she walked. And besides, even if he did go out of his way, how would that make him a batterer? Like you said, he could have just wanted to see her again, OR he could have wanted to make sure she didn't go to jail.

Just because he didn't trust that her brother was innocent when all the evidence pointed otherwise doesn't make him a batterer. I mean, I didn't even think he was innocent until the end. And her brother WAS holding a hostage.... feds are trained to shoot. That makes him a good fed, not a batterer.

He didn't say he wanted to go to her house-he hinted at it. That was more flirtatious than anything.

I don't think he's creepy at all. I think he's quite cute, and I really like the idea of them together.

It's cool. Discussion is always good. And yeah Olivia does need to move on and quit pining over Elliot because..... he likes blondes

Now I have offended the O/P shippers and the O/E shippers.

But personally I think Olivia should swear off all the drama of men and move to Phoenix so she can meet a really cool woman who is a double major in social work and criminal justice at ASU

....you didn't offend me. I was just making a point. You (or anyone) COULD make a counter-arguement. I would actually really like to hear it.

And I don't the Olivia is "pining" over Elliot. I simply don't think she loves him. But that's just me.

And this is why I never started an Olivia/Dean thread. Too many haters. This is why I like the SFN board. There are more open minded people there about Olivia and Dean. I don't think Dean is at all a betterer or a stalker. When he said he couldn't go home to Olivia he was flirting with her; IMO that is. But whatever. There's no point in arguing it anymore.

I happen to like Dean and Olivia together- Infiltrated was the first episode he appeared it and at that time it didn't click with me because I wasn't so sure at the time that he was going to come back for two more episodes. I think I really saw the chemistry in Florida and that's where I thought "okay, if those two wind up together, I'll be happy"

I agree that Olivia needs to be happy, but I don't want to think that she NEEDS a man to be happy. If she's happy being single with a relative near by to have dinner time to time, then I'll be happy for her. There are lots of single woman well into Olivia's age that are happy to be bachelorettes, never married.

It's different of WANTING a man then NEEDING a man.

porter was all touch with olivia ... i don't really like it but she is lonely and we really don't know what will happen between elliot and kathy but i don't like dean porter!! in 'screwed' when they were talking with each other he was totally flirting ... but olivia she was kind of backing away , maybe she was being flirtatious too ?? i don't know but she was really hesitant !! my e/o heart is broken lol... thank god for fanfiction !!!

That scene almost looked like Olivia was playing hard to get. Women like to do that every now and again . I think Dean was flirting when he said that he couldn't go home. I could just see it in his eyes. If he would have lifted his eye brows and winked, that would have been hot! LOL!

I love the idea of them together,. He was a little arrogant in infiltrated, but I like it on him.

As for being controling of Olivia, ha! He has bent over backwards for her. In infiltrated even though she broke protocol what 4, 5 times, he still let her come with him to look for the girl.

In Florida, lets face it he should have arrested her before making a deal. ( and I absolutely think he choose to get her instead of letting someone else go so he can see her again) he didn't have to tell her the post office tape was broken but he did. He didn't have to let her talk to Simon first (actually, he really shouldnt have).

As fas as him saying he would have shot Simon, Elliot had the shot but didn't take it because of Olivia, anyone else would have shot him. Of course, they would have been wrong, but...oh well.

And in screwed, he was willing to hide from a process server for her, he didn't have to do that. Truthfully, he should have informed IAB of what she did even if the FBI didn't charge her.

I think it is a lot more than just a guy trying to get a hot woman in bed, he really likes her, she deserves that. I think he would be good to her.

I haope they have him in a couple of eppi's this season.

Heck yeah! Olivia and Dean would make a great couple I hope it goes in that direction. .

LovelyMariska,

What is SFN?

It must be too toughf for a man to be Olivia`s boyfriend because she has such an strong character and she´s not used to be controlled by anyone, haha !



I was for asking the same thing

I really think that she should get with him I mean seriously it's not like she was just gonna get up one morning and start looking for a man I'd say it's fate he just happen to be there in her time of need and since Elliot's always occupied she finally found a guy she can lean on and be with. Not that Elliot's not there for her but you no Liv of all people wouldn't just fall for any guy that quick it will take time but eventually he'll get her.

O/D Odd huh it'll be weird without the E/O moments but we'll get used to it

btw how old is liv in the show not for real life because if u ask me she should be hitting her mid life crisis peak any time soon

Well I think she has been looking for a guy. She just doesn't exactly have a lot of time on her hands. But think back to Serendipity: that conversation with Casey about how guys are turned off by her profession. But otherwise, I definitely agree-they're perfect.

And Liv's mother was raped in 1967. That would make her either 38 or 39. But I think S8 was a midlife crisis, of sorts, for her. You know, the whole "I've been alone my whole life" thing.

That´s why, in my opinion, if she´s going to be with someone, he should be form the same profession

I can see Porter and Olivia together. I think they have better chemistry than Dani and Stabler had. I think in the beginning Porter was a jerk to Olivia and was controlling but as the season progressed he wasn't as bad with her. I don't care who it's with really just as long as Olivia gets someone because she could use a little romance side to her character.

In all seriousness I ask, is it absolute that Dean and Olivia are dating or is it speculation at this point? I see some flirtation going on, and it’s obvious he cares for her and she seems to be responsive to his interest, but that doesn’t mean they’re dating. Case in point, he flirtatiously offers that he has no place to stay and can he stay at her place. She kind of avoids flat out saying “Um, NO” by saying that whoever was looking for the two of them know where she lives too. I guess maybe they’re dating and it’s early enough in the relationship that she’s not ready for him to ‘stay over’. Or maybe she just thinks it would look really bad for her if there is any proof that they are dating, given the situation she's in with giving money to Simon and Dean letting her off. I don’t know, I just haven’t seen anything solid to suggest that they are in fact a couple. Like I said, it’s obvious that there is mutual interest.

That being said, if she does find someone who can appreciate how demanding her job is, I say go for it.

Um, yes. I have confirmed this for myself. I say nothing but season 9 will change my mind that they are together. So this is why "fresh" would even dare ask to stay at her place, excuse me, in her bed. I hope when we see him and elliot go at it we see a little "consoling" happen. hehehehehehe

GO LIV GO!!!! Get that man!

Andi

I think they are dating, not only the scene about needing a place to stay (sometihing I don't think he would have said if they were not dating, or if they weren't dating she would not have takeni t to mean that, and if she misunderstood him he would have corrected her, sorry, I am rambling)

But two other things made me think it...

1) the phone call, as soon as she got on te phone she said she couldn't talk and she will call him back.. That is something you would do in a personal relationship. In a professional one even if you couldn't talk you would at least find out what the call was about before getting off the phone. Especially if it is a call from the FBi agent who cleared you for the crime you committed and recently was chasing your brother. If he just called out of the blue, dispite what was going on, she would have wanted to know why he called.

Also, when they did meet in the street, there was no agenda. She found out someone was trying to serve him, he found out who and why...that was not the reason they met. there was nothing else discussed so they may have just wanted to take a minute see each other. If not there would be no reason they could not talk on the phone, and there would be no reason for him to look over his shoulder.

And why would he call her brother?

It will be intersting to see what happens with them inseason 9. I actually hope it lasts.

Actually, I thought the phone call was because she thought IAB/Darius Parker was tracking her, not b/c she wanted to take a personal call.

But the rest of what you said makes sense.

It's not confirmed that they're dating. We have no proof. We can only hope.

IAB was not tracking her and she didn't know yet that Darius attorney know about her brother, she learned (assumed) that when she saw Dean.

I think the writers didn't want to confirm anything. I think they just wanted to give an illusion they mght be without admitting it. Keep us speculating.

Oi!
You're right-I just rewatched it. They weren't tracking her, my mistake. I believe the direct dialogue was:
Porter: Hey! How come we couldn't talk on the phone?
Liv: Ohh. Things have been a little dicey around the office.
Porter: Yeah mine too
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Case and point. Hats off you you Detective Olivia.
And to Liv. She looks very pretty in that scene.

I'm new to these boards but find the Porter/Olivia "debate" interesting and just want to say that I don't think it will work - maybe a short-term (isn't it always?) flirtation, but I didn't really get a chemistry type feeling from these two.........also, there's something almost "too good to be true" with Porter, and I guess I don't trust that type. Does anyone know if he's going to be back for many episodes next season? I think if she ends up with someone, it has to be someone totally surprising - otherwise, just keep her single, there's nothing wrong with that!!! It's very interesting hearing all of your different points of view, I guess we'll just have to keep watching!!

I think Olivia and Dean would be kinda cute together. I mean he is hot, available and I can see that he really is in to her so why not. Elliot is going back to his wife and is about to have a beautiful baby. Why shouldn't Olivia be awarded with some happiness. If it is Porter then so be it!

Darius's lawyer, Matt Braedon was a former cop turned lawyer. He used Lt. Alan James who had a grudge against Cragen and got the personal files on all the detectives so he can screw them over on the stand. Olivia has kept the information about her brother private but it was on file, including that the FBI was onto her connection with Simon but since he turned out innocent, Dean cleared Olivia from any wrong-doing but still, Olivia did help a fugitive before it was proven he was innocent.

1. Porter was just putting that message out there that he was interested. Liv wasn't buying at least not that day.


2. Talking in the office about any sensitive information wouldn't be the smartest thing for Liv to do considering all that was happening with Darius trial. From the beginning of the episode Casey states to the entire squad that she needs their jackets because in this case the Police Department is going to be the one on trial. So Liv could of very well assumed that Porter was calling about her brother thus she didn't want to have that conversation the office. The "hey is my brother cleared" conversation because if the defense ever got wind of that Liv could find herself in a world of trouble losing her job would have been the least of her worries.

3. They were meeting the street to discuss why a Process Server was trying to find Porter. Intially if I remmber correctly Porter thought it had something to do with Simon's case and thats the reason why he got in contact with Liv.

With all this said there hasn't been anything of substance to suggest that Liv and Porter are already dating. But I do think next season th writers will go down the path of hooking them up. Clearly in the past 2 seasons the writers have shifted focus away from the show's actual subject matter and shifted to a more personal basis. Every other episode there is some storyline that either centers on Elliot's and Liv's partnership, Liv's family issues, Fin's family issues, or Elliot personal issues. The writers even did an episode on Munch's family with Jerry Lewis. Its not far until they completely jump the shark and turn the show into a unending personal drama instead of a crime drama.

Well, this is just what makes most sense to me,

Actually you are not recalling correctly. ithe conversation went something like this

O; Hey
P; Hey, why couldn't we talk on the phone?
O; Thngs are dicey around the office
P: Mine too. There was a process server in the Federal building looking for me, good thing they didn't have access to the upper floors
O: (Surprised) This has to be Greyson
P; The lawyer in your murder case? What does he want?
O: you, jamming me up on this stuff with my brother
P: but Simon was innocent
O: but he was still a fugitive when I sent him the money, that's a felony
(He links arms)
P: But you cooperated with the FBI and I cleared you
O: and they can still make you testify

and so on...

So she didn't ask to meet him about the process server because she didn't know. He didn't ask to meet her about the process server because he didn't know it had anything to do with her.

Also he called her before Casey asked for their jackets, after they were just served. He called her on Monday and they met on Wednesday. Giving the fact that he didn't know he needed to duck the guy before they met, if they process server would have been trying to serve him since Monday, he would have gotten him. Chances are they didn't try to serve him until Wednesday, so that was not the reason for the call.

Wow what a message!

I think putting the message out there would have been more like "I can see your concerned over this, lets get together for dinner and talk about it" really,we all been through that. LOL.

I need to stay at yoor house, that is a really brazen message, Sounded more to me like " let's seal this deal" but a deal needs to be in place first. especially there was only a month between the Forida Time line and Screwed. Even if he was doing it for her that comment would have been inappropriate if theyhave not formed some sort of (even in the very early stages) relationship. I thnk if that was not the case she would have been offended, or at least a little shocked.

I also think the calling her brother was a big clue, there was absolutey no reason to do that, and lets face it ..Simon was not helpful (I just don't like him)

I think the writers want to give a hint without saying it, maybe put a feeler out to see how the fans feel? The producers blog won't give a hint except to say he will be back. maybe they are testing the waters to see if the fans would go for it I would, as long as it is not a major story line. I think seeing him once in a while would be good.

ENOEVER,

You misunderstood Im just contradicting the notion that Porter called Olivia out of the blue for absolutely no reason other than to hear her voice. Honestly if that was the case he would have called her on her cell phone or her home phone if it was strictly personal. That fact alone pretty much trumps the notion that they are dating. I don't know about anyone else but most of my personal calls I use my cell phone or home phone for that not the work phone. A boyfriend certaintely wouldn't be leaving messages with my co-workers at most if you get your significant other's colleague you don't even leave a message you say "hey I'll try her cell phone." Unless of course its really important or if your a spouse you might feel comfortable leaving messages at work with their co-worker.


I think some of us are making more out of things than necessary. In the upcoming season I could see the writers going down that path of hooking up Porter and Liv but in the season finale there just wasn't anything concrete to suggest that they are nothing more than friends. I think Porter realizes that Liv was going through some things obvisously with her brother and the whole case. Now he's trying to show that infuse himself into her life and show Liv that he could be good for her without being overt about it.

ITA. I think people want Olivia to have a man so bad that every male who comes on the show and has some attachment to Olivia, even if it is just case related, will probably bring a bunch of speculation about a possible romantic relationship. I'll only believe that something outside of a friendship will happen between Porter and Olivia when Neal or someone else from the show confirms that. Right now, it seems he will be involved with more SVU cases because he also works in a similar unit with the FBI. That could change, and I'm sure it will be confirmed if it does.

Perhaps you are right. I mean I want Olivia to be happy and Porter seems like he could be that guy that you could bring home to mom but as of right now I don't think Olivia and Porter are anything more then people who know each other from work. The only time we as an audiance have seen Porter with Olivia has been because of work. Some may argue that Olivia lives at work so of course that's where she would meet guys but she was able to meet guys outside of work every other time. I personally have a romantic side, so my husband keeps telling me and the reason I want Olivia and Porter together is because he seems like a nice guy who could make her happy. Elliot has gone back to his family where he belongs and now Olivia can go on with her life and do what makes her happy. I think if an audiance saw live happy more, they would not feel the need to have to "set her up" on love connections. LOL!

Why is that every man that enters onto the scene people want to automatically match him up with Liv or even Casey? Cann't a guy be on the show without him being evaluated as a possible love interest geez. Hey if the writers go down that road than okay but cann't we just see the show for what it is a crime drama and not a dating show.

If people want to see the characters they watch go down a certain road what is wrong with that? It person has a different view of the show, so what? I view it as a crime drama but I think I would enjoy seeing that storyline. If you don't that is fine too. We all jsut have to wait and see.

I think its totally fine if you want things to do down that path but sometimes I think there is a crossover between fanfiction and between what actually goes on the show. Every scene that Olivia has with a man it has to be dissected and redissected to prove that her and the guy are secretly in love or that they are having a relationship. This happens like almost daily on this board. How many times did we go over E/O partnership and even with Elliot being married or him showing romantic interest in Dani we still heard time and time again how him and Olivia would end up together or that they really love each other. My only thing is that I wish people would paint an honest picture of the show and the characters. Don't put something out there that just isn't true or completely unsubstantiated. If it comes time for Olivia to get married or hook up with someone on the show than it will happen but I just rather focus on actual storylines on the show.

Oh I quite agree, it does seem to seep into all the threads and it does get tedous, and I am a shipper. But isn't this particular thread created specifically for that subject?

Also, I have only been on the board a few months and I have only been an (recovering) EO shipper for less than a year (And I watched for years) but I don't see where every man who walks through the door is a possible love connection. As far as I can see (besides the EO thing, which has apparenlty been around since the beginning of time) this is the only real interest in pairing I have seen. For anyone. Mind you I am not a big Casey fan so her hooking up with anybody has never crossed my mind and still doesn't but I never seen that intent with either Olivia or Casey before. Sure, a lot of guys have hit on Olivia but it is not the same thing.

I think this season it is discussed more because the show put it out, if it is out there then it is out there. They showed Lake shwing intrest in Casey, they showed Porter showing interest in Olivia. My discecting my reasons for believing it is true is so it does not seem that I am one of the "he is cute and she is cute and they would be cute together and she needs a man and elliot is going home and elliot and olivia really love each other and kathy is bad" crew. It doesn't make it any more or less true, it is just what makes sense to me and it is what I truly believe .So although people may not agree with my assessment you cannot say my views are unsubstantiated because I depict it in black and white and do not embelish it. .(No, I am not taking it as a personally attack, I know you were speaking in gerneral, but I can only answer for myself.

Let us change it a little

I agree that Olivia needs to be happy, but I don't want to think that she NEEDS a man to be happy. If she's happy being single with a relative a cute partner near by to have dinner time to time, then I'll be happy for her. There are lots of single woman well into Olivia's age that are happy to be bachelorettes, never married.

I will support all of the E/O people but listen to this. Okay, so they do date for a while and then El finds out(after everything is over and done with. You know the baby and everything) then he kcks Porters but and tell him to back off from her, Liv finds out then the writers figure the rest out.

I think that it looks less like a personal call when you call someone at work instead of a cell phone. My boyfriend did, so that I could take a break and have a private phone call. No questions from anyone, without a partner sitting right across from us listening in, or a boss looking over at me blushing.

I think that everything was set up to hint at there realtionship. They keep bringing the guy back. He works for the FBI for crying out loud, and he was working in a whole nother department, but then made him the FBI:SVU guy. Come on. So now they could put him with Olivia constantly. Pa-leez, they are together, ok. For the exact reasons I have mentioned before now backed by others here.

When the season starts I want to the record to show that I said it FIRST!!! By the way. Throw me a bone here. They are putting the subtle hints so that we talk about those two all summer (like we are) so that we can comeback in the fall and comfirm our thoughts and disscusions. They know we go ga-ga over stuff like that.

It's love, ok people

Andi

I like the way u think and when i actually think about it u might be right hmm thanks for the different perspective

I see Porter's presence as more of a set up for what the writers may do in the upcoming season not as "hey they are dating on the downlow". The writers are probably flirting with the idea right now and deciding whether to continue things. Also remember that maybe they just want to incorporate more characters. Wolf has always been a big proponent of adding new cast members. For the most part SVU out of all the law and orders has remained the same with the exception of the changing of ADAs. Similar to Wolf adding Beach's character maybe they want add another character. So my point is that they may not be adding Porter strictly for the purposes of giving her a man.

Of course no one will listen to this because Olivia must have a man to be happy because after all she's been so miserable throughout the show without one.

See that's what a lot of people think. So if a delivery guy comes in and delivers a package and gives Olivia a smile, someone will speculate that he will be dating her by seasons end. Now Porter has come on the scene and he just has to be Olivia's man because he's worked with her on a case and he flirts with her. Never mind the fact that there is no chemistry between the two(IMHO), and Olivia does not seem to be into him in a romantic way. She did more flirting with the reporter from Storm than she's done with Porter. Of course he flirts, what guy would not flirt with Olivia? And who's to say the writers won't hook her up with someone who is not a character on the show. Maybe she'll date her gynecologist, or her dentist. (Hopefully he can take a look at Porter's teeth).

Yea next Liv and the UPS guy are going to be hooking up hey why not through Cragen's name out there for a possible romantic interest while we're at hey he' single she could do the whole older man younger woman thing with him.


I thought I was the only one that saw absolutely no chemistry between Olivia and Porter. Really the only guy on the show that I saw Olivia have romantic chemsitry not just any chemistry because I think she has chemistry with pretty mcuh all the male characters on the show. She's had emotional scenes with Fin, of course Elliot and even Munch when he talked about his father' suicide with her. In terms of sexual chemistry the only guy I saw Liv have that with was the reporter guy who went to jail for her; actually I don't know if I would use the word sexual chemistry but more like a spark of something deeper.

I guess chemistry, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I see they do have chemistry I noticed it in Infiltrated and it carried through to Florida and Screwed (IMO). I don't think there is hard evidence they are dating but it just makes more sense to me because of that one line " I can't go home" if there was nothing there he would be a total jerk for eluding to that. it is almost like saying "well, I'm doing this for you, so..." lets not go there.

Here are a couple of questions though:

Why can't he call her at work? my husband calls me at work, as do my friends. Kathy calls Elliot at work. It's not phone sex..."Hi, how are you , how is your day going?" even if they are not dating, can't he just call her to say hello? Why if it is not about work it is wrong?

I also agree Olivia does not need a man to fulfill her life, but does that mean she can't date a guy she likes? Why is it she needs a man so she can be happy and get married or she doesn't need a man she can be on her own and be happy. Why can't she be with someone and she where it goes like everyone else? and can't she do it and still be dedicated to her job?

It seems some people would be happier if she actually sat around and waited for a man with his fifth child on the way hopefully decides he made a mistake and turns to her? Really?? Sorry, I love Elliot but he has more baggage than samsonite. She deserves better and if after a hard day of beating down perps she ahs dinner with a handsome G man, so what? Do we have to see it? not always, "Liv, got any plans for tonight?" "I am having Dinner with Dean." that's it.

I'm all for Olivia dating or having a significant other. But I don't have to see it on the show. And it does not have to be with a recurring character on the show who happens to be single.( Of course we have no idea if Porter is even single. He could be married with a slew of kids as far as we know. The writers have not given much information on this character at all). If the writers go there, I'm okay with it, but all the speculation and excitement is funny because there has been no confirmation that Porter is going to be a love interest for Olivia. So I wonder why so many seem fixated on that character dating Olivia because he's 'nice to her'. Ted Bundy was nice to women also, but he was also a serial killer. Can't we get to know the guy before he 'hooks' up with Olivia?

That is an interesting comparison.


Some people are fixed on it and some are not. What is wrong if someone is fixed on the idea of that is what they want? That is what I don't understand.