This show is so terribly wrong. Trying to make good TV at the expense of a child. Erica has not left her bed since she saw the show Tuesday. This is so very wrong. I am so angry that they allowed this to happen to her. I have kept my mouth shut long enough. She is barely 11 years old. She's in 5th grade for Christ sakes. I do take responsibility for my part in this. When the producers insisted that she sing the same song she auditioned with in Dallas I should have withdrawn her from the show, but she begged and begged to do it. No one anticipated they would do this to her. We thought worst case scenario they would compare her to Bianca and let her sing another song. For those who say "The moms knew what we were getting into" Bull___.
Who in a million years would expect what they did. It's not like I put a kid out there that was not very talented. If they had shown it like it really played out America would have seen that. They cut out every freaken strong part of her performance including the end where the audience gave her a standing ovation. They were chanting "Let her through". Not to mention the fight with Jerry Springer and the judges and Jerry in her defense as well as the entire audience.
She was 100% completely setup. Oh and her interview before hand was completing edited. She has said over and over she did not say those things. How did they do that? She never ever ever said she was better the Bianca. THEY TOOK HER WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT she’s just kid that wants to be on TV. And for all of you saying she cocky, conceited etc.... Come on she had just been torn up by those judges they only showed about half of what was said. She was freaking out inside, but she was not about to let them break her down so she over compensated by being strong and acting if she didn't care about what they were saying otherwise she would have show complete devastation. She did not to choose to sing that song, but chose to not pass up a once in a lifetime dream. How the **** am I going to pick her up from this?
For all of you calling her a Bianca wannabe you are so very wrong. Bianca is extremely talented, but I assure you Erica does not want to be like her she doesn't want to be like any kid. She has a very old soul and the person she would most want to be like is Bette Middler. Not to say that’s any better she needs to be her own, but that will come with age. That is who she is portraying in her performance not Bianca. That’s another reason she wanted to go on the show in hopes that maybe she would be able to meet her someday.
Full Version: Erica Marks side of the story
Who was Erika? I'm sorry, I don't remember who she was.
QUOTE (Penguin888 @ Jun 8 2007, 08:44 PM) 
Who was Erika? I'm sorry, I don't remember who she was.
Erika is the little girl that sang "And I Am Telling You" which is the same song Bianca Ryan sang last year.
Here she is singing the same song last year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecbITPaWG2M
QUOTE (smarks3 @ Jun 8 2007, 05:05 PM)
This show is so terribly wrong. Trying to make good TV at the expense of a child. Erica has not left her bed since she saw the show Tuesday. This is so very wrong. I am so angry that they allowed this to happen to her. I have kept my mouth shut long enough. She is barely 11 years old. She's in 5th grade for Christ sakes. I do take responsibility for my part in this. When the producers insisted that she sing the same song she auditioned with in Dallas I should have withdrawn her from the show, but she begged and begged to do it. No one anticipated they would do this to her. We thought worst case scenario they would compare her to Bianca and let her sing another song. For those who say "The moms knew what we were getting into" Bull___.
Who in a million years would expect what they did. It's not like I put a kid out there that was not very talented. If they had shown it like it really played out America would have seen that. They cut out every freaken strong part of her performance including the end where the audience gave her a standing ovation. They were chanting "Let her through". Not to mention the fight with Jerry Springer and the judges and Jerry in her defense as well as the entire audience.
She was 100% completely setup. Oh and her interview before hand was completing edited. She has said over and over she did not say those things. How did they do that? She never ever ever said she was better the Bianca. THEY TOOK HER WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT she’s just kid that wants to be on TV. And for all of you saying she cocky, conceited etc.... Come on she had just been torn up by those judges they only showed about half of what was said. She was freaking out inside, but she was not about to let them break her down so she over compensated by being strong and acting if she didn't care about what they were saying otherwise she would have show complete devastation. She did not to choose to sing that song, but chose to not pass up a once in a lifetime dream. How the **** am I going to pick her up from this?
For all of you calling her a Bianca wannabe you are so very wrong. Bianca is extremely talented, but I assure you Erica does not want to be like her she doesn't want to be like any kid. She has a very old soul and the person she would most want to be like is Bette Middler. Not to say that’s any better she needs to be her own, but that will come with age. That is who she is portraying in her performance not Bianca. That’s another reason she wanted to go on the show in hopes that maybe she would be able to meet her someday.
Who in a million years would expect what they did. It's not like I put a kid out there that was not very talented. If they had shown it like it really played out America would have seen that. They cut out every freaken strong part of her performance including the end where the audience gave her a standing ovation. They were chanting "Let her through". Not to mention the fight with Jerry Springer and the judges and Jerry in her defense as well as the entire audience.
She was 100% completely setup. Oh and her interview before hand was completing edited. She has said over and over she did not say those things. How did they do that? She never ever ever said she was better the Bianca. THEY TOOK HER WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT she’s just kid that wants to be on TV. And for all of you saying she cocky, conceited etc.... Come on she had just been torn up by those judges they only showed about half of what was said. She was freaking out inside, but she was not about to let them break her down so she over compensated by being strong and acting if she didn't care about what they were saying otherwise she would have show complete devastation. She did not to choose to sing that song, but chose to not pass up a once in a lifetime dream. How the **** am I going to pick her up from this?
For all of you calling her a Bianca wannabe you are so very wrong. Bianca is extremely talented, but I assure you Erica does not want to be like her she doesn't want to be like any kid. She has a very old soul and the person she would most want to be like is Bette Middler. Not to say that’s any better she needs to be her own, but that will come with age. That is who she is portraying in her performance not Bianca. That’s another reason she wanted to go on the show in hopes that maybe she would be able to meet her someday.
Please tell Erica that our thoughts are with her and not to give up. Don't be too hard on yourself, either. There is no way you could have known that the producers were setting Erica up for failure. This is just a lame TV show and although it was horrifying and embarassing for Erica, she should be proud of herself for going out there to pursue her dreams, and for composing herself so well in the face of defeat! Bravo Erica!
~Lisa & Nikki~
I am sorry for what your daughter is having to go through. I think that they handled this very poorly. Your daughter is very talanted. This is just another reality show and if you read the release that you signed, you will find that they have the right to edit and show anything the way that they want to. That is a clear sign that you should should run the other way! Good luck to you and your daughter and we will be watching for her in the future!
At least she got on NATIONAL TV. I can't say that for myself or anyone I know.
So what if she didn't win. It's the experiance of a lifetime.
And as far as that creep saying all those things, forget about it! It's just an opinion.
I'm sure you have heard the saying "Opinions are like butt's, everyone has one and no one wants to hear them." I cleaned that up of course. "But" you get the idea.
So what if she didn't win. It's the experiance of a lifetime.
And as far as that creep saying all those things, forget about it! It's just an opinion.
I'm sure you have heard the saying "Opinions are like butt's, everyone has one and no one wants to hear them." I cleaned that up of course. "But" you get the idea.
Why is it that so many people expect to compete for one million dollars and be treated gently? You don't just give that kind of money away. Did you really think it would be that easy?
Did you see everyone that was there just from the Dallas auditions alone? If Erica is going to win, she has to not only be better than everyone that was in the room rehearsing at the time, she has to be better than everyone from the L.A., Chicago and New York auditions as well. If you don't think that is the case, admit it instead of trying to blame the judges or the producers for her shortcomings.
When you ask for special treatment like cushioned critique or a second chance, what you're really doing is asking AGT to be unfair to everyone else. If you can't see that, then get bent.
Did you see everyone that was there just from the Dallas auditions alone? If Erica is going to win, she has to not only be better than everyone that was in the room rehearsing at the time, she has to be better than everyone from the L.A., Chicago and New York auditions as well. If you don't think that is the case, admit it instead of trying to blame the judges or the producers for her shortcomings.
When you ask for special treatment like cushioned critique or a second chance, what you're really doing is asking AGT to be unfair to everyone else. If you can't see that, then get bent.
QUOTE (Terastas @ Jun 13 2007, 05:56 PM)
Why is it that so many people expect to compete for one million dollars and be treated gently? You don't just give that kind of money away. Did you really think it would be that easy?
Did you see everyone that was there just from the Dallas auditions alone? If Erica is going to win, she has to not only be better than everyone that was in the room rehearsing at the time, she has to be better than everyone from the L.A., Chicago and New York auditions as well. If you don't think that is the case, admit it instead of trying to blame the judges or the producers for her shortcomings.
When you ask for special treatment like cushioned critique or a second chance, what you're really doing is asking AGT to be unfair to everyone else. If you can't see that, then get bent.
Did you see everyone that was there just from the Dallas auditions alone? If Erica is going to win, she has to not only be better than everyone that was in the room rehearsing at the time, she has to be better than everyone from the L.A., Chicago and New York auditions as well. If you don't think that is the case, admit it instead of trying to blame the judges or the producers for her shortcomings.
When you ask for special treatment like cushioned critique or a second chance, what you're really doing is asking AGT to be unfair to everyone else. If you can't see that, then get bent.
You're quite correct, unfortunately many just don't get it.
We are living in a society where people seem to think it is always someone else's fault. No one is willing to accept responsibility for thier own actions and everyone thinks they are number one. Frankly this girl wasn't all that great, didn't stand a chance, and was treated the same as any other contestant.
Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
poor thing...she'll be fine...this isn't the end...
keep ur head up little miss erica!
keep ur head up little miss erica!
Did you not read the initial note? You’re missing the point. No one wants special treatment here. This is suppose to be a competition. You give me one reason why they dubbed her song and cut it off and took her words out of context? MY GOSH!
As far as the million a large % of everyone one on that show knows that they are not really worth a million. They are just doing it for the exposure. Let’s get real here!!!!!!!! Like we ever thought for one minute Erica would win, but she is good enough entertainment to be on the show. She should not have been treated so unfairly weather she is a kid or not.
And who the **** is asking for cushioned critique? That is not my complaint! I was there I saw what they said to her and that was only half of it that's old news this was taped two months ago. I and as you could see Erica could careless how the judges critique her. It's not what they said it's how the producers edited it. How is it fair to dub out parts in the middle of her song and cut off the ending and not the show the audience response which was a standing ovation? And make it look like she chose to do this song because she's better then Bianca when she never ever said that. Why did they cut out all the drama after her performance? They purposely cut out everything in her favor to prove a point that was false.
As far as the million a large % of everyone one on that show knows that they are not really worth a million. They are just doing it for the exposure. Let’s get real here!!!!!!!! Like we ever thought for one minute Erica would win, but she is good enough entertainment to be on the show. She should not have been treated so unfairly weather she is a kid or not.
And who the **** is asking for cushioned critique? That is not my complaint! I was there I saw what they said to her and that was only half of it that's old news this was taped two months ago. I and as you could see Erica could careless how the judges critique her. It's not what they said it's how the producers edited it. How is it fair to dub out parts in the middle of her song and cut off the ending and not the show the audience response which was a standing ovation? And make it look like she chose to do this song because she's better then Bianca when she never ever said that. Why did they cut out all the drama after her performance? They purposely cut out everything in her favor to prove a point that was false.
QUOTE (smarks3 @ Jun 13 2007, 05:57 PM)
Did you not read the initial note? You're missing the point. No one wants special treatment here. This is suppose to be a competition. You give me one reason why they dubbed her song and cut it off and took her words out of context? MY GOSH!
As far as the million a large % of everyone one on that show knows that they are not really worth a million. They are just doing it for the exposure. Let's get real here!!!!!!!! Like we ever thought for one minute Erica would win, but she is good enough entertainment to be on the show. She should not have been treated so unfairly weather she is a kid or not.
And who the **** is asking for cushioned critique? That is not my complaint! I was there I saw what they said to her and that was only half of it that's old news this was taped two months ago. I and as you could see Erica could careless how the judges critique her. It's not what they said it's how the producers edited it. How is it fair to dub out parts in the middle of her song and cut off the ending and not the show the audience response which was a standing ovation? And make it look like she chose to do this song because she's better then Bianca when she never ever said that. Why did they cut out all the drama after her performance? They purposely cut out everything in her favor to prove a point that was false.
As far as the million a large % of everyone one on that show knows that they are not really worth a million. They are just doing it for the exposure. Let's get real here!!!!!!!! Like we ever thought for one minute Erica would win, but she is good enough entertainment to be on the show. She should not have been treated so unfairly weather she is a kid or not.
And who the **** is asking for cushioned critique? That is not my complaint! I was there I saw what they said to her and that was only half of it that's old news this was taped two months ago. I and as you could see Erica could careless how the judges critique her. It's not what they said it's how the producers edited it. How is it fair to dub out parts in the middle of her song and cut off the ending and not the show the audience response which was a standing ovation? And make it look like she chose to do this song because she's better then Bianca when she never ever said that. Why did they cut out all the drama after her performance? They purposely cut out everything in her favor to prove a point that was false.
Wow. I can tell you are upset and you, as a mother, have right to be. Editing is a cruel reality of T.V shows of this type. The best advice to give her is to toughen up. WHen someone speaks poorly of you live in a way that noone would believe it. Show her the tabloids make her recongnize that those pictures are taken out of context and "drama" sells. The plus side is people who know her will say "that is nothing like Erika" If she hasn't pulled out of it in the two months i would call and agent in your area and see if they can recomend a counslor that helps young preformers deal with the business.
Look I am not blaming anyone for Erica not making it. That is not the point. She was not treated like everyone else. Actually who knows? I don't know everyone’s story.
The point is they never had any intentions of letting her go on in the show. It was a setup from the minute she auditioned in Dallas. Why else did they insist she sing that same song? Why did they say she could sing a different one later? They manipulated the situation to get what they wanted.
Their link to the defending Champion Bianca Ryan. What ****** me off is they were too chicken _____ to let it play out the way it actually happened. Give me one reason why they would do that? This is not about Erica winning or even going to the second round again that's old news, but we expected to see her on TV the way we saw her when we were in LA two months ago. How fair is it to dub the better parts of the performance. Then knock her down on National TV so everyone will agree. How fair is it to take her words out of context and have her say " I am better then Bianca Ryan" then take out the strong parts and knock her down.
We were fine when we left there with her not making it and with what they said to her. What we are upset about is the editing they did to make her look bad so they could prove a point and make "GOOD TV".
I promise you that if they had played it out the way it really happened it would not have gone with the conclusion they wanted. How stupid of us to think we would go home and watch on TV and everything would be ok.
The point is they never had any intentions of letting her go on in the show. It was a setup from the minute she auditioned in Dallas. Why else did they insist she sing that same song? Why did they say she could sing a different one later? They manipulated the situation to get what they wanted.
Their link to the defending Champion Bianca Ryan. What ****** me off is they were too chicken _____ to let it play out the way it actually happened. Give me one reason why they would do that? This is not about Erica winning or even going to the second round again that's old news, but we expected to see her on TV the way we saw her when we were in LA two months ago. How fair is it to dub the better parts of the performance. Then knock her down on National TV so everyone will agree. How fair is it to take her words out of context and have her say " I am better then Bianca Ryan" then take out the strong parts and knock her down.
We were fine when we left there with her not making it and with what they said to her. What we are upset about is the editing they did to make her look bad so they could prove a point and make "GOOD TV".
I promise you that if they had played it out the way it really happened it would not have gone with the conclusion they wanted. How stupid of us to think we would go home and watch on TV and everything would be ok.
QUOTE (Squirreli @ Jun 13 2007, 05:01 PM)
You're quite correct, unfortunately many just don't get it.
We are living in a society where people seem to think it is always someone else's fault. No one is willing to accept responsibility for thier own actions and everyone thinks they are number one. Frankly this girl wasn't all that great, didn't stand a chance, and was treated the same as any other contestant.
Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
We are living in a society where people seem to think it is always someone else's fault. No one is willing to accept responsibility for thier own actions and everyone thinks they are number one. Frankly this girl wasn't all that great, didn't stand a chance, and was treated the same as any other contestant.
Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
QUOTE (Terastas @ Jun 13 2007, 05:56 PM)
Why is it that so many people expect to compete for one million dollars and be treated gently? You don't just give that kind of money away. Did you really think it would be that easy?
You're don't even sort of get it. It's not just a matter of her not being treated gently, she wasn't treated or represented honestly. She thought she was auditioning for a real talent contest where she'd be judged on her talent. What she found herself walking into was nothing of the sort.
Erica was told she *had* to do that song, when anyone with any sense would realize it would be a bad idea to do the same song that Bianca Ryan did to such acclaim. No matter how good she is, she's going to be perceived as a copycat. The producers certainly would be aware of this, which was precisely their motivation, and was exactly what they *wanted* her to look like. They were going to make sure you saw her as an obnoxious little red-haired Bianca imitator. Erica was doomed before she walked on stage. If the producers say otherwise, I challenge them to publicly offer a plausible alternate explanation that isn't a bunch of B.S. PR-speak and to make public *all* the unedited video of Erica. Of course they're not going to.
Her mom has explained that we didn't see her entire performance nor the true audience reaction - who according to her mom was chanting *in her favor*. We heard some knucklehead yelling "boo" which for all we know could have been dubbed in. They weren't going to allow you to see her performance and judge it on its true merits.
Last year a lot of people bitched that AGT turned into another singing show. This year they're obviously slanting things away from singers, certainly little girl singers. I believe they even referred to them as a group as "Bianca Wannabe's". Anything biased there? Any little girl who sings is now officially a "wannabe" - as if there wasn't an army of little girls who auditioned last year. If you'll recall, except for Bianca and Taylor Ware, there were several young girl singers who ranged from "okay" to "needs a lot of work".
This year they don't get the same benefit of a live band or even a backing track which obviously has a large bearing on how they're going to be percieved.
Btw, this is in no way a reflection on Bianca, I thought she was the clear standout last year and I voted for her and in fact was the only reason I watched more than the first installment. This year I don't even plan on watching the rest of the season. If by some miracle someone really good emerges out of this sham even if they don't win, I'll buy their CD.
Even the abbreviated part we heard showed Erica had some chops. Notice Hasselhoff was seen mouthing "not bad..." Anyone who heard the same performance I heard and is unwilling to acknowledge that she's a solid little singer or lacks the musical acumen to recognize it doesn't have an opinion I care about.
Hasselhoff said "not bad". Sharon Osbourne outright told her she can sing. Piers is a schmuck and whatever dribbles out of his smarmy British piehole isn't worth listening to. He obviously gets his rocks off hammering people and couldn't care less if they're 11. Even if Erica had been a complete boat anchor, she in no way deserved the hatchet job he did on her, and it's particularly odious given some insight into what the true story was.
With 2 out of 3 judges acknowledging her ability, they didn't put her through. Yet they put through a black woman with an okay-nothing-special voice but a nice little sob story and a 400-lb "nice guy" with a generic, unspectacular quasi-operatic voice. You'll find better than him in lounges, restaurants, colleges and amateur musical theater all over. Sharon O. even outright said she doesn't like that kind of voice, yet she voted him through. Tell me the judges aren't under orders from upstairs.
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Did you see everyone that was there just from the Dallas auditions alone? If Erica is going to win, she has to not only be better than everyone that was in the room rehearsing at the time, she has to be better than everyone from the L.A., Chicago and New York auditions as well. If you don't think that is the case, admit it instead of trying to blame the judges or the producers for her shortcomings.
That's wholesale nonsense. I can find you better than what they put through with my eyes closed. I think it's quite possible they picked her because she was 11 and had red hair.QUOTE
When you ask for special treatment
How about honest treatment?
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The more I think about this the more I think Mrs. Marks needs to take the story to People or someother magazine. Relase or not. I would visit a lawyer.
QUOTE (Vocal Advocate @ Jun 13 2007, 07:52 PM)
Erica was told she *had* to do that song, when anyone with any sense would realize it would be a bad idea to do the same song that Bianca Ryan did to such acclaim. No matter how good she is, she's going to be perceived as a copycat. The producers certainly would be aware of this, which was precisely their motivation, and was exactly what they *wanted* her to look like. They were going to make sure you saw her as an obnoxious little red-haired Bianca imitator. Erica was doomed before she walked on stage. If the producers say otherwise, I challenge them to publicly offer a plausible alternate explanation that isn't a bunch of B.S. PR-speak and to make public *all* the unedited video of Erica. Of course they're not going to.
I agree that that is totally unfair. however, even Bianca didn't get to choose what songs she sang last season. She was given a SHORT list and had to choose from the songs. The Joplin song she sang she had never sung before.
The thing is, had Erica not sung that song at her initial audition, there is a pretty strong chance she wouldn't have made it on the show at all. I've been in contact with a lot of performers that auditioned or performed last year and I'm convinced that the whole show is manipulated.
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Her mom has explained that we didn't see her entire performance nor the true audience reaction - who according to her mom was chanting *in her favor*. We heard some knucklehead yelling "boo" which for all we know could have been dubbed in. They weren't going to allow you to see her performance and judge it on its true merits.
This is why I'm glad Idol is live and not recorded. If they can make the show more dramatic through editing they will, and the more time they have (a month in this case) the more editing they will do.QUOTE
Last year a lot of people bitched that AGT turned into another singing show. This year they're obviously slanting things away from singers, certainly little girl singers. I believe they even referred to them as a group as "Bianca Wannabe's". Anything biased there? Any little girl who sings is now officially a "wannabe" - as if there wasn't an army of little girls who auditioned last year. If you'll recall, except for Bianca and Taylor Ware, there were several young girl singers who ranged from "okay" to "needs a lot of work".
Btw, this is in no way a reflection on Bianca, I thought she was the clear standout last year and I voted for her and in fact was the only reason I watched more than the first installment. This year I don't even plan on watching the rest of the season. If by some miracle someone really good emerges out of this sham even if they don't win, I'll buy their CD.
Btw, this is in no way a reflection on Bianca, I thought she was the clear standout last year and I voted for her and in fact was the only reason I watched more than the first installment. This year I don't even plan on watching the rest of the season. If by some miracle someone really good emerges out of this sham even if they don't win, I'll buy their CD.
Actually, it is kind of a reflection on Bianca. Keep in mind that Bianca's record sales have not been stellar. At least not on American Idol levels anyway. I'm sure Simon was disappointed by that and doesn't want to follow that trend this year. He's gonna gear the show towards acts that he can target towards the largest markets (teens and young adults). Notice how there are more acts that are 16 and older so far this year? I'm sure it's not a coincidence.
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With 2 out of 3 judges acknowledging her ability, they didn't put her through. Yet they put through a black woman with an okay-nothing-special voice but a nice little sob story and a 400-lb "nice guy" with a generic, unspectacular quasi-operatic voice. You'll find better than him in lounges, restaurants, colleges and amateur musical theater all over. Sharon O. even outright said she doesn't like that kind of voice, yet she voted him through. Tell me the judges aren't under orders from upstairs.
That opera guy has a HUGE resume and has performed in Miss Saigon and many other shows (his resume is posted at path2fame). I didn't hear him last night, but I've listed to the mp3 over at path2fame and I think he's pretty good.
,Matt
Sour grapes.
Couple of things about this thread. Isn't it amazing that everyone accepts that the OP is actually who they say they are? If all the allegations are true wouldn't you expect that they would be hiring a lawyer instead of posting it on an NBC discussion forum?
QUOTE (Matt71 @ Jun 13 2007, 08:21 PM)
I agree that that is totally unfair. however, even Bianca didn't get to choose what songs she sang last season. She was given a SHORT list and had to choose from the songs. The Joplin song she sang she had never sung before.
That's another thing, we're getting these little insights into the workings of this show - that the acts aren't even choosing their own material autonomously.
It so happens that Bianca is a very talented young lady and has a natural ability to shift gears. I imagine she'd make a great session singer. I personally thought that performance of "Another Little Piece Of My Heart" was superb, less than great sound notwithstanding.
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The thing is, had Erica not sung that song at her initial audition, there is a pretty strong chance she wouldn't have made it on the show at all.
Maybe but doing it for the televised audition was obviously not good strategy...unless the strategy is to make the singer look bad.QUOTE
I've been in contact with a lot of performers that auditioned or performed last year and I'm convinced that the whole show is manipulated.
'Ya think?
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Actually, it is kind of a reflection on Bianca. Keep in mind that Bianca's record sales have not been stellar. At least not on American Idol levels anyway. I'm sure Simon was disappointed by that and doesn't want to follow that trend this year.
When I say not a reflection on Bianca, I don't blame her in any way for Erica's woes. She was herself just an anonymous little girl who wanted to be in the spotlight. You can't blame her for the chain of events that might have resulted from her winning the contest. As far as her sales, I haven't heard any official figures, but if they're not great, it's certainly got nothing to do with her ability. She's a fantastic talent. I personally really like her album. She knocks every song out of the park. Some people whine about the song selection but whatever. I find non-musicians often focus on things other than what I think are important. I imagine the song selection wasn't left up to her. It's my understanding she has a fairly strong following in Europe.
If you can locate a copy or download it from WalMart, she also has a very nice Christmas mini-album. There are couple of production glitches but it was a Walmart freebie (the downloaded album isn't free but is really inexpensive). Both albums were done on a short time frame.
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That opera guy has a HUGE resume and has performed in Miss Saigon and many other shows (his resume is posted at path2fame). I didn't hear him last night, but I've listed to the mp3 over at path2fame and I think he's pretty good.
He's not the worst singer I've ever heard but my point is why did he get put through when the deciding judge Sharon O. had already stated outright - rightly or wrongly - that she didn't care for his voice, but Erica didn't get put through when 2/3 of the judges including Sharon O. indicated they thought she was good?
Answer: There's an agenda that they haven't been up front about.
And another thing, how is it that the order of which judge speaks their mind seems to always end up with the "tie breaker" judge going last? Do they see what each other's decision is first or something?
QUOTE (Squirreli @ Jun 13 2007, 08:47 PM)
Sour grapes.
Been clueless all your life or is it the result of head trauma?
QUOTE (Vocal Advocate @ Jun 13 2007, 09:36 PM)
Been clueless all your life or is it the result of head trauma?
A little of both, what's your excuse?
Don’t know how you know that, but I'm pretty sure she did choose her songs. As a matter of fact I know she chose "I am changing" without a doubt. Don't know about the Janice song. You are right Erica would not have made it on the show if she had sung another song. Not because of her lack of talent, but because they want to gear it in another direction. We were never given a list. They said you had to do the song you auditioned with Dallas then you had to give them a list of your next choices in the event you made it through. As long as they were approved by BMA you could sing them.
QUOTE (Matt71 @ Jun 13 2007, 07:21 PM)
I agree that that is totally unfair. however, even Bianca didn't get to choose what songs she sang last season. She was given a SHORT list and had to choose from the songs. The Joplin song she sang she had never sung before.
The thing is, had Erica not sung that song at her initial audition, there is a pretty strong chance she wouldn't have made it on the show at all. I've been in contact with a lot of performers that auditioned or performed last year and I'm convinced that the whole show is manipulated.
This is why I'm glad Idol is live and not recorded. If they can make the show more dramatic through editing they will, and the more time they have (a month in this case) the more editing they will do.
Actually, it is kind of a reflection on Bianca. Keep in mind that Bianca's record sales have not been stellar. At least not on American Idol levels anyway. I'm sure Simon was disappointed by that and doesn't want to follow that trend this year. He's gonna gear the show towards acts that he can target towards the largest markets (teens and young adults). Notice how there are more acts that are 16 and older so far this year? I'm sure it's not a coincidence.
That opera guy has a HUGE resume and has performed in Miss Saigon and many other shows (his resume is posted at path2fame). I didn't hear him last night, but I've listed to the mp3 over at path2fame and I think he's pretty good.
,Matt
The thing is, had Erica not sung that song at her initial audition, there is a pretty strong chance she wouldn't have made it on the show at all. I've been in contact with a lot of performers that auditioned or performed last year and I'm convinced that the whole show is manipulated.
This is why I'm glad Idol is live and not recorded. If they can make the show more dramatic through editing they will, and the more time they have (a month in this case) the more editing they will do.
Actually, it is kind of a reflection on Bianca. Keep in mind that Bianca's record sales have not been stellar. At least not on American Idol levels anyway. I'm sure Simon was disappointed by that and doesn't want to follow that trend this year. He's gonna gear the show towards acts that he can target towards the largest markets (teens and young adults). Notice how there are more acts that are 16 and older so far this year? I'm sure it's not a coincidence.
That opera guy has a HUGE resume and has performed in Miss Saigon and many other shows (his resume is posted at path2fame). I didn't hear him last night, but I've listed to the mp3 over at path2fame and I think he's pretty good.
,Matt
QUOTE (Squirreli @ Jun 13 2007, 09:02 PM)
Couple of things about this thread. Isn't it amazing that everyone accepts that the OP is actually who they say they are? If all the allegations are true wouldn't you expect that they would be hiring a lawyer instead of posting it on an NBC discussion forum?
Even assuming she didn't sign her life away, I'm sure whatever entity that would be the proper target of such a suit has hot and cold running sleazoid lawyers at their disposal and would be no simple proposition even if you have a valid grievance. You may have noticed our legal system has some flaws - being set up to favor the monied and the lawyers being one. If you were to be successful you'd open the floodgates for many more suits and they don't want that.
If they really thought you had a case they might either drag it out as long as possible when they know avergage Joe contestant doesn't have the financial werewithal to keep paying lawyers, or maybe pay you off and require you sign something saying you can't talk about it anymore to shut you up.
There doesn't seem to be anything to indicate smarks isn't who they say they are. They also have postings on YouTube. I suspect if it were an imposter, the real Erica's mom would have had them shut down.
Either Bianca or her Father (don't recall which) mentioned in an interview that they had a list of 3 songs to pick from. I think it was in a newspaper article online, so I will look for it.
Oh Please! You can't sue! Nobody can sue! It's in the contract. They can do anything they want and as long as you sign that's it! All I can do is have freedom of speech and make myself feel better by getting the truth out.
I wasn't going to go here because I have felt it's somewhat irrelevant, but I think I will.
This below is the exact email we sent after receiving an email from one of the producers.
Our story. At this point she was only being considered. Then we got the call. We were told Erica has an interesting story and America will love her. I still had in the back of my mind Bianca Ambush, but I fell for it all.
Copied and paste.
HOW COME AMERICA KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS???
Erica Marks (In her own words)
1) Whom do you want to make most proud? My dad because he doesn't really
Support me, because he is shy and has a hard time showing his feelings or
telling me he loves me or that he's proud of me.
2) Why did you try out for America's Got Talent? I tried out last year and
didn't make so I wanted to try again, because I think I am better now.
3) What does the opportunity mean to you? I would get to sing and act on TV
for the whole world to see!
4) What is your inspiration? Bette Middler, cause she sings and is funny
like me!
5) What is your day job? School
6) Is your family supportive of your passion? Yes my Mom and my Granny and
my Aunt Lizzy always come to watch me sing.
7) Has it been a struggle for you to get where you are now? Sort of,
because I was diagnosed with a bone disease and I had to stay in bed alot.
They thought I would end up in a wheel chair like my little brother, but I
am mostly ok now my bones just pop.
8) Has their been anything that stood in the way of you fulfilling your
dream? My handicap Brother, because he has so many needs and sometimes I get
put aside and my dad always has to stay home with him.
9) What is your dream? To be a part time veterinarian, because I love
animals and a full time Singer and Actress!
10) Why do you do what you do? In other words, what got you interested
in doing your act? I became interested when I was 4 after watching Hocus
Pocus with Bette Middler acting crazy! I do it now, because I love to
entertain people and make them laugh! I also started to sing, because I
couldn't move around to much like dance and stuff.
Erica is an OLD-SOUL and a very unique little girl! Honestly, how many 10yr
olds do you know that idolize BETTE MIDLER and has done so since age 4!
That's even a little before MY
time! You'd think she would say Hannah Montana or Hilary Duff.......When
she
was 3, her imaginary friends where the GOLDEN GIRLS! WHAT! I have no idea
where she gets it, but, she is truly ONE OF A KIND.
Erica was born to be on stage it's in her blood. She has had a bit of a
rough time, because of her bone disease, but she has gotten through it. For
years she was put second, because of all Aaron's needs, but has never
complained and she loves her brother very much! Aaron is much more stable
now although still will never walk or talk. We are ready to help Erica
pursue her dream. Her father is very supportive of what Erica does, but has
a hard time sharing his emotions with her. It's true that he is not able to
attend many of her events, but that is not because of lack of support it is
because of the need to stay home and care for Aaron.
I wasn't going to go here because I have felt it's somewhat irrelevant, but I think I will.
This below is the exact email we sent after receiving an email from one of the producers.
Our story. At this point she was only being considered. Then we got the call. We were told Erica has an interesting story and America will love her. I still had in the back of my mind Bianca Ambush, but I fell for it all.
Copied and paste.
HOW COME AMERICA KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS???
Erica Marks (In her own words)
1) Whom do you want to make most proud? My dad because he doesn't really
Support me, because he is shy and has a hard time showing his feelings or
telling me he loves me or that he's proud of me.
2) Why did you try out for America's Got Talent? I tried out last year and
didn't make so I wanted to try again, because I think I am better now.
3) What does the opportunity mean to you? I would get to sing and act on TV
for the whole world to see!
4) What is your inspiration? Bette Middler, cause she sings and is funny
like me!
5) What is your day job? School
6) Is your family supportive of your passion? Yes my Mom and my Granny and
my Aunt Lizzy always come to watch me sing.
7) Has it been a struggle for you to get where you are now? Sort of,
because I was diagnosed with a bone disease and I had to stay in bed alot.
They thought I would end up in a wheel chair like my little brother, but I
am mostly ok now my bones just pop.
8) Has their been anything that stood in the way of you fulfilling your
dream? My handicap Brother, because he has so many needs and sometimes I get
put aside and my dad always has to stay home with him.
9) What is your dream? To be a part time veterinarian, because I love
animals and a full time Singer and Actress!
10) Why do you do what you do? In other words, what got you interested
in doing your act? I became interested when I was 4 after watching Hocus
Pocus with Bette Middler acting crazy! I do it now, because I love to
entertain people and make them laugh! I also started to sing, because I
couldn't move around to much like dance and stuff.
Erica is an OLD-SOUL and a very unique little girl! Honestly, how many 10yr
olds do you know that idolize BETTE MIDLER and has done so since age 4!
That's even a little before MY
time! You'd think she would say Hannah Montana or Hilary Duff.......When
she
was 3, her imaginary friends where the GOLDEN GIRLS! WHAT! I have no idea
where she gets it, but, she is truly ONE OF A KIND.
Erica was born to be on stage it's in her blood. She has had a bit of a
rough time, because of her bone disease, but she has gotten through it. For
years she was put second, because of all Aaron's needs, but has never
complained and she loves her brother very much! Aaron is much more stable
now although still will never walk or talk. We are ready to help Erica
pursue her dream. Her father is very supportive of what Erica does, but has
a hard time sharing his emotions with her. It's true that he is not able to
attend many of her events, but that is not because of lack of support it is
because of the need to stay home and care for Aaron.
I would like to say that Erica does seem talented - she just wasn't singing the right song. And if these allegations prove true, I will not watch this show anymore. My thoughts are with her, and I see a lot of potential in her.
JESSICA SANCHEZ...another interesting AGT story...she's moved on!!!
what a head to head final that would have been...IMO, NBC missed out on that one!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c7KNyb6FMbs
what a head to head final that would have been...IMO, NBC missed out on that one!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c7KNyb6FMbs
QUOTE (Vocal Advocate @ Jun 13 2007, 06:52 PM)
If you'll recall, except for Bianca and Taylor Ware, there were several young girl singers who ranged from "okay" to "needs a lot of work".
8) Has their been anything that stood in the way of you fulfilling your
dream? My handicap Brother, because he has so many needs and sometimes I get
put aside and my dad always has to stay home with him.
Odd how NBC let such a blantant gramatical through on such an important form. It should be "there".
I don't know if you are who you say you are. I am a bit too trusting online for my own good. But, instead of blowing of steam here why don't you talk to a reporter or take steps to get your story public? A message form sponsered by the show that you feel wronged you probally will not bring you any long term satisfaction.
dream? My handicap Brother, because he has so many needs and sometimes I get
put aside and my dad always has to stay home with him.
Odd how NBC let such a blantant gramatical through on such an important form. It should be "there".
I don't know if you are who you say you are. I am a bit too trusting online for my own good. But, instead of blowing of steam here why don't you talk to a reporter or take steps to get your story public? A message form sponsered by the show that you feel wronged you probally will not bring you any long term satisfaction.
Eirca needs to learn to grow up. She obviously wasn't ready for the show. It seems really pathetic that Erica would stay in bed all day. Life happens, move on.
QUOTE (bearsforever @ Jun 13 2007, 10:28 PM)
8) Has their been anything that stood in the way of you fulfilling your
dream? My handicap Brother, because he has so many needs and sometimes I get
put aside and my dad always has to stay home with him.
Odd how NBC let such a blantant gramatical through on such an important form. It should be "there".
I don't know if you are who you say you are. I am a bit too trusting online for my own good. But, instead of blowing of steam here why don't you talk to a reporter or take steps to get your story public? A message form sponsered by the show that you feel wronged you probally will not bring you any long term satisfaction.
dream? My handicap Brother, because he has so many needs and sometimes I get
put aside and my dad always has to stay home with him.
Odd how NBC let such a blantant gramatical through on such an important form. It should be "there".
I don't know if you are who you say you are. I am a bit too trusting online for my own good. But, instead of blowing of steam here why don't you talk to a reporter or take steps to get your story public? A message form sponsered by the show that you feel wronged you probally will not bring you any long term satisfaction.
For what it's worth, I'll vouch for SMarks being who she says she is.
QUOTE (Matt71 @ Jun 13 2007, 09:38 PM)
For what it's worth, I'll vouch for SMarks being who she says she is.
I think this is just sad on so many levels it is like a Theodore Dreiser novel. I am seeing a Lifetime movie of the week deal here.
QUOTE (agtFAN @ Jun 13 2007, 10:12 PM)
JESSICA SANCHEZ...another interesting AGT story...she's moved on!!!
what a head to head final that would have been...IMO, NBC missed out on that one!!!
what a head to head final that would have been...IMO, NBC missed out on that one!!!
I want to preface this by saying any commentary is not in any way meant to reflect on the performers personally - I'm sure Jessica is a nice young lady, but I felt she fell squarely into the "needs a lot of work" category. She seemed to have a fair vocal instrument - though it sounds like it's been strained excessively. She had a sort of Selena-ish quality. But she's in dire need of professional coaching - among other things she had serious pitch problems. I don't care how "big" someone's voice is if they can't sing on pitch.
If by "head to head" you mean Bianca -vs- Jessica, not even a contest - unless she had a really bad night, Bianca would have mopped the floor with her. She has the chops and just a basic feel for delivery that I believe Jessica at least hasn't yet developed. While Bianca wasn't by any means flawless, I can't see Jessica pulling off any of the performances that Bianca gave as well as Bianca did them.
Taylor Ware has a ton of personality, and I felt has a lot of potential vocally. Taylor isn't a belter like Bianca, but like Bianca she has a certain "character" to her voice that makes it listenable that you can't train, it has to be there naturally. I felt she really should take the emphasis off the whole yodeling thing and concentrate on her singing. Of course, whether the passing years will be kind to her voice remains to be seen. Britney Spears had a big boomy voice as a young girl which went bye-bye.
The one I thought was a distant 3rd behind Bianca and Taylor was Caitlyn Taylor-Love. (A stage name perhaps?). She'd probably be an okay singer if she got rid of that affected groaning delivery and works on her pitch. Every time she tossed her head to be all "show biz" she went flat. My other issue with her was showing up in a slinky, form-fitting dress and making goo-goo eyes at the camera....at 12?
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to the average viewer, like myself...jessica was terrific...im no vocal advocate...but i preferred jessica's as-you-put-it "selena-ish" quality over bianca's yelling and screaming...
but that was LAST season and everyone has moved on...
after all the acts thus far this season, im going for:
GRANNY PEARL...!!! LOL...LUV LUV LUV HER CRAZY BUTT!!!
but that was LAST season and everyone has moved on...
after all the acts thus far this season, im going for:
GRANNY PEARL...!!!
LOL...LUV LUV LUV HER CRAZY BUTT!!! QUOTE (Vocal Advocate @ Jun 13 2007, 10:27 PM)
She had a sort of Selena-ish quality. If by "head to head" you mean Bianca -vs- Jessica, not even a contest - unless she had a really bad night, Bianca would have mopped the floor with her. She has the chops and just a basic feel for delivery that I believe Jessica at least hasn't yet developed.
Erica, you're going to come out of this even stronger. Just don't give up, and don't lose your dreams.
Come on! You can tell that Erica wasn't one of those crazies that is truly awful, but can't see it. She is just a regular young kid. It's not a question of special treatment -- it's about being honest without being cruel. Piers could have said that he didn't like her and didn't think she was talented enough, or even that he thought she was copying bianca, but he didn't have to be cruel. He wasn't cruel to everyone else he didn't vote yes to. Sure, judge the kids to the same standard as everyone else, just don't judge them more harshly.
QUOTE (Terastas @ Jun 13 2007, 04:56 PM)
Why is it that so many people expect to compete for one million dollars and be treated gently? You don't just give that kind of money away. Did you really think it would be that easy?
Come on! You can tell that Erica wasn't one of those crazies that is truly awful, but can't see it. She is just a regular young kid. It's not a question of special treatment -- it's about being honest without being cruel. Piers could have said that he didn't like her and didn't think she was talented enough, or even that he thought she was copying bianca, but he didn't have to be cruel. He wasn't cruel to everyone else he didn't vote yes to. Sure, judge the kids to the same standard as everyone else, just don't judge them more harshly.
QUOTE (agtFAN @ Jun 13 2007, 11:47 PM)
...i preferred jessica's as-you-put-it "selena-ish" quality over bianca's yelling and screaming...
Yeah yeah -
Check out Bianca's album - no "screaming" there. Just some darn good singing.
I do not like the idea that they asked her to sing the same song as Bianca when she was prepared to sing something else. That does indeed seem like a pre-planned agenda.
Dear Smarks3, and All,
I am so sorry that Erica is so hurt by her experience. I thought she was very talented, and should have been put through. I would say she should return next year (and seem to recall David Hasselhoff saying as much), but I wouldn't want her to do so if Piers had that much effect on her.
The thing I would say to Erica is that she needs to remember that Piers is an *ss. It's a hard lesson to have to learn so young, but many, many *sses have places of authority in life, and our test is whether or not we can get past them. Erica is very talented, and she shouldn't let Piers and his negativity stand in her way. The other thing that she needs to realize is that, although Piers was addressing her at the time, he is just as nasty to everyone. He tries to split up family groups and belittles people regularly. In other words, the vast majority of people in this country listen to what he says and then take exactly the opposite view.
The part of Piers remarks that I particularly take issue with was his statement that Erica was not humble like Bianca Ryan. I thought Erica's resemblance to last year's winner was indeed remarkable, but I took her answer to David Hasselhoff's question (whether or not she thought she could win the competition) as a show of confidence. I didn't find her arrogant at all. I saw a little girl with red hair who admired Bianca to the point of wanting to be like her. Her performance was not the same as Bianca's, but that was because she's Erica. I thought she was adorable, and would love to hear her sing her other songs.
In short, Smarks, please tell your daughter that I hope she will hold her head high and keep on singing. I think it's quite an accomplishment to be on national television at her age, and I'll bet that 99.44% of the people who saw her think she is as wonderful as I do. The rest of them--including Piers Morgan--don't count!!! I, for one, believe Erica just may have an outstanding career ahead of her, and I hope she will not let Piers steal her dream.
I am so sorry that Erica is so hurt by her experience. I thought she was very talented, and should have been put through. I would say she should return next year (and seem to recall David Hasselhoff saying as much), but I wouldn't want her to do so if Piers had that much effect on her.
The thing I would say to Erica is that she needs to remember that Piers is an *ss. It's a hard lesson to have to learn so young, but many, many *sses have places of authority in life, and our test is whether or not we can get past them. Erica is very talented, and she shouldn't let Piers and his negativity stand in her way. The other thing that she needs to realize is that, although Piers was addressing her at the time, he is just as nasty to everyone. He tries to split up family groups and belittles people regularly. In other words, the vast majority of people in this country listen to what he says and then take exactly the opposite view.
The part of Piers remarks that I particularly take issue with was his statement that Erica was not humble like Bianca Ryan. I thought Erica's resemblance to last year's winner was indeed remarkable, but I took her answer to David Hasselhoff's question (whether or not she thought she could win the competition) as a show of confidence. I didn't find her arrogant at all. I saw a little girl with red hair who admired Bianca to the point of wanting to be like her. Her performance was not the same as Bianca's, but that was because she's Erica. I thought she was adorable, and would love to hear her sing her other songs.
In short, Smarks, please tell your daughter that I hope she will hold her head high and keep on singing. I think it's quite an accomplishment to be on national television at her age, and I'll bet that 99.44% of the people who saw her think she is as wonderful as I do. The rest of them--including Piers Morgan--don't count!!! I, for one, believe Erica just may have an outstanding career ahead of her, and I hope she will not let Piers steal her dream.
QUOTE (Vocal Advocate @ Jun 13 2007, 04:36 PM)
Been clueless all your life or is it the result of head trauma?
I just didn't personally think she was all that good. It wouldn't have mattered what song she sang for me, because I didn't watch last season. It wasn't sung all that well, and she kept losing tune. She had no stage presence, and her audition wasn't good enough to go onto Vegas. If all these events happened as you say, then I agree, it wasn't ethical to set her up as snotty Bianca Ryan wannabe. In the end though, a performer has got to go with what's been given to them, and make the best out of it. Sometimes you've just got to tell your kid the truth, but moms are usually very biased and can't see the truth themselves. If she had Aretha Franklin-esque pipes, she would have proved it right then and there, and would have moved onto the next round, she didn't, so either get a lawyer or stop posting on here.
I also don't believe that Bianca should have won either. She had an amazing voice, but she had no musical creativity. Giving her a record deal was ridiculous. Her sales and reviews reflect my sentiments. If you don't write your own music or lyrics, I don't believe you should be given a record deal. I think not only should the winner be decided upon talent, but if they're going to be successful after the show. Why waste a million dollars on someone that isn't going to be successful with it? I'm sure the Millers could have.
QUOTE (Vocal Advocate @ Jun 13 2007, 02:52 PM)
You're don't even sort of get it. It's not just a matter of her not being treated gently, she wasn't treated or represented honestly. She thought she was auditioning for a real talent contest where she'd be judged on her talent. What she found herself walking into was nothing of the sort.
Erica was told she *had* to do that song, when anyone with any sense would realize it would be a bad idea to do the same song that Bianca Ryan did to such acclaim. No matter how good she is, she's going to be perceived as a copycat. The producers certainly would be aware of this, which was precisely their motivation, and was exactly what they *wanted* her to look like. They were going to make sure you saw her as an obnoxious little red-haired Bianca imitator. Erica was doomed before she walked on stage. If the producers say otherwise, I challenge them to publicly offer a plausible alternate explanation that isn't a bunch of B.S. PR-speak and to make public *all* the unedited video of Erica. Of course they're not going to.
Her mom has explained that we didn't see her entire performance nor the true audience reaction - who according to her mom was chanting *in her favor*. We heard some knucklehead yelling "boo" which for all we know could have been dubbed in. They weren't going to allow you to see her performance and judge it on its true merits.
Last year a lot of people bitched that AGT turned into another singing show. This year they're obviously slanting things away from singers, certainly little girl singers. I believe they even referred to them as a group as "Bianca Wannabe's". Anything biased there? Any little girl who sings is now officially a "wannabe" - as if there wasn't an army of little girls who auditioned last year. If you'll recall, except for Bianca and Taylor Ware, there were several young girl singers who ranged from "okay" to "needs a lot of work".
This year they don't get the same benefit of a live band or even a backing track which obviously has a large bearing on how they're going to be percieved.
Btw, this is in no way a reflection on Bianca, I thought she was the clear standout last year and I voted for her and in fact was the only reason I watched more than the first installment. This year I don't even plan on watching the rest of the season. If by some miracle someone really good emerges out of this sham even if they don't win, I'll buy their CD.
Even the abbreviated part we heard showed Erica had some chops. Notice Hasselhoff was seen mouthing "not bad..." Anyone who heard the same performance I heard and is unwilling to acknowledge that she's a solid little singer or lacks the musical acumen to recognize it doesn't have an opinion I care about.
Hasselhoff said "not bad". Sharon Osbourne outright told her she can sing. Piers is a schmuck and whatever dribbles out of his smarmy British piehole isn't worth listening to. He obviously gets his rocks off hammering people and couldn't care less if they're 11. Even if Erica had been a complete boat anchor, she in no way deserved the hatchet job he did on her, and it's particularly odious given some insight into what the true story was.
With 2 out of 3 judges acknowledging her ability, they didn't put her through. Yet they put through a black woman with an okay-nothing-special voice but a nice little sob story and a 400-lb "nice guy" with a generic, unspectacular quasi-operatic voice. You'll find better than him in lounges, restaurants, colleges and amateur musical theater all over. Sharon O. even outright said she doesn't like that kind of voice, yet she voted him through. Tell me the judges aren't under orders from upstairs.
That's wholesale nonsense. I can find you better than what they put through with my eyes closed. I think it's quite possible they picked her because she was 11 and had red hair.
How about honest treatment?
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Erica was told she *had* to do that song, when anyone with any sense would realize it would be a bad idea to do the same song that Bianca Ryan did to such acclaim. No matter how good she is, she's going to be perceived as a copycat. The producers certainly would be aware of this, which was precisely their motivation, and was exactly what they *wanted* her to look like. They were going to make sure you saw her as an obnoxious little red-haired Bianca imitator. Erica was doomed before she walked on stage. If the producers say otherwise, I challenge them to publicly offer a plausible alternate explanation that isn't a bunch of B.S. PR-speak and to make public *all* the unedited video of Erica. Of course they're not going to.
Her mom has explained that we didn't see her entire performance nor the true audience reaction - who according to her mom was chanting *in her favor*. We heard some knucklehead yelling "boo" which for all we know could have been dubbed in. They weren't going to allow you to see her performance and judge it on its true merits.
Last year a lot of people bitched that AGT turned into another singing show. This year they're obviously slanting things away from singers, certainly little girl singers. I believe they even referred to them as a group as "Bianca Wannabe's". Anything biased there? Any little girl who sings is now officially a "wannabe" - as if there wasn't an army of little girls who auditioned last year. If you'll recall, except for Bianca and Taylor Ware, there were several young girl singers who ranged from "okay" to "needs a lot of work".
This year they don't get the same benefit of a live band or even a backing track which obviously has a large bearing on how they're going to be percieved.
Btw, this is in no way a reflection on Bianca, I thought she was the clear standout last year and I voted for her and in fact was the only reason I watched more than the first installment. This year I don't even plan on watching the rest of the season. If by some miracle someone really good emerges out of this sham even if they don't win, I'll buy their CD.
Even the abbreviated part we heard showed Erica had some chops. Notice Hasselhoff was seen mouthing "not bad..." Anyone who heard the same performance I heard and is unwilling to acknowledge that she's a solid little singer or lacks the musical acumen to recognize it doesn't have an opinion I care about.
Hasselhoff said "not bad". Sharon Osbourne outright told her she can sing. Piers is a schmuck and whatever dribbles out of his smarmy British piehole isn't worth listening to. He obviously gets his rocks off hammering people and couldn't care less if they're 11. Even if Erica had been a complete boat anchor, she in no way deserved the hatchet job he did on her, and it's particularly odious given some insight into what the true story was.
With 2 out of 3 judges acknowledging her ability, they didn't put her through. Yet they put through a black woman with an okay-nothing-special voice but a nice little sob story and a 400-lb "nice guy" with a generic, unspectacular quasi-operatic voice. You'll find better than him in lounges, restaurants, colleges and amateur musical theater all over. Sharon O. even outright said she doesn't like that kind of voice, yet she voted him through. Tell me the judges aren't under orders from upstairs.
That's wholesale nonsense. I can find you better than what they put through with my eyes closed. I think it's quite possible they picked her because she was 11 and had red hair.
How about honest treatment?
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You seem to be musically ignorant. That black lady they put through was way better. She wasn't as good as Bianca, but she was still better. You like Bianca's CD because they pander that half brained pop to schmucks like you, and they know you'll buy it. Do yourself a favor and check out good artists like Neil Young, Phil Keaggy, Bob Dylan, people that actually had something meaningful to say and revolutionized the world when they sang. Compare Bianca or that other girl to them and they don't quite measure up. You can't compare an 11 year old girl to legends like these. It's not fair. That's why they shouldn't be put through. If you don't have that level of talent, you shouldn't win. Plain and simple. I'm sure Simon was ****** when she got like #57 on the billboard chart. I'm sure he doesn't like to waste his money, and I know I'm tired of hearing lackluster pop acts on already detritus filled radio waves.
Here's some real talent, and tell me if Erica's vocal talent is even a tenth as good as Keaggies guitar skills.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j4VeLajv0tI
QUOTE (neilfan1 @ Jun 15 2007, 03:46 AM)
I just didn't personally think she was all that good. It wouldn't have mattered what song she sang for me, because I didn't watch last season. It wasn't sung all that well
Opinon noted.
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In the end though, a performer has got to go with what's been given to them,
The problem is, it appears she wasn't even afforded that. What she was "given" wasn't what she was led to believe - i.e. an honest chance to demonstrate her abilities and be judged accordingly. Bear in mind - 2 of the 3 judges said they liked her. This is seen even on the part we were allowed to see. Even if you think they're clueless, even if you don't think Erica is talented this is a fact. Despite this, she wasn't put through, while an act that 2 out 3 judges initially indicated disfavor with - the chubby singer - was put through.Of course, when you say someone has to "go with what they're given", do you mean they should take any lousy contract they're handed and not negotiate or look for a better deal? Do you mean if someone outright cheats them they shouldn't seek redress? If they're treated deceptively, they shouldn't out the perpetrator?
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I also don't believe that Bianca should have won either.
Opinion noted.
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She had an amazing voice, but she had no musical creativity.
And everyone who's ever become famous was a great songwriter, producer, etc. right?Even if she had a satchel full of material she'd written herself, she wouldn't have been able to perform it on that show. As it happens, she'd already begun writing songs before she made it onto AGT. But *of course* you knew that and weren't speaking out of ignorance.
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Giving her a record deal was ridiculous.
I guess Simon should start consulting you first, since apparently he didn't think so. The deal was for $1 million, the record deal was icing.
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Her sales and reviews reflect my sentiments.
Which, the positive reviews or the negative ones? I don't listen to critics to form an opinion.As far as sales, care to cite your sources for her worldwide numbers?
And if things haven't been going as well as hoped, who (if anyone) should bear the blame? I certainly wouldn't expect a 6th grader to be calling the shots. She's doing her part - working her behind off and giving great performances. She showed up to participate just like everybody else & she won. She wasn't even one of the "planted" professional acts that didn't go through the cattle-call process that there was some complaints about. She was offered a record deal by a guy who theoretically knows what he's doing. Where in this scenario do you find any reason to fault the 12-year-old in question?
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I think not only should the winner be decided upon talent, but if they're going to be successful after the show.
It was a "talent contest" - the winners of which, after a certain amount of manipulation by the producers, were ultimately decided by the viewing audience. I think you're making the same assumption that Simon probably did, that if hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people voted for the winner, surely they'll buy their album if they're a musical act.
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Why waste a million dollars on someone that isn't going to be successful with it? I'm sure the Millers could have.
Boy with your abilities to predict the future, you should clean up as a music industry mogul.
I wasn't that blown away by the Millers. They're probably a crowd pleaser at State/County fairs. Okay. You kept hearing how "great" a harmonica player LD is. How many harmonica players have you heard? And list all the 13-year old harmonica players who can't sing on the current top 100.
Bitter stage mother. The girl was awful.
QUOTE (Vocal Advocate @ Jun 15 2007, 02:40 AM)
Opinon noted.
The problem is, it appears she wasn't even afforded that. What she was "given" wasn't what she was led to believe - i.e. an honest chance to demonstrate her abilities and be judged accordingly. Bear in mind - 2 of the 3 judges said they liked her. This is seen even on the part we were allowed to see. Even if you think they're clueless, even if you don't think Erica is talented this is a fact. Despite this, she wasn't put through, while an act that 2 out 3 judges initially indicated disfavor with - the chubby singer - was put through.
Of course, when you say someone has to "go with what they're given", do you mean they should take any lousy contract they're handed and not negotiate or look for a better deal? Do you mean if someone outright cheats them they shouldn't seek redress? If they're treated deceptively, they shouldn't out the perpetrator?
Opinion noted.
And everyone who's ever become famous was a great songwriter, producer, etc. right?
Even if she had a satchel full of material she'd written herself, she wouldn't have been able to perform it on that show. As it happens, she'd already begun writing songs before she made it onto AGT. But *of course* you knew that and weren't speaking out of ignorance.
I guess Simon should start consulting you first, since apparently he didn't think so. The deal was for $1 million, the record deal was icing.
Which, the positive reviews or the negative ones? I don't listen to critics to form an opinion.
As far as sales, care to cite your sources for her worldwide numbers?
And if things haven't been going as well as hoped, who (if anyone) should bear the blame? I certainly wouldn't expect a 6th grader to be calling the shots. She's doing her part - working her behind off and giving great performances. She showed up to participate just like everybody else & she won. She wasn't even one of the "planted" professional acts that didn't go through the cattle-call process that there was some complaints about. She was offered a record deal by a guy who theoretically knows what he's doing. Where in this scenario do you find any reason to fault the 12-year-old in question?
It was a "talent contest" - the winners of which, after a certain amount of manipulation by the producers, were ultimately decided by the viewing audience. I think you're making the same assumption that Simon probably did, that if hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people voted for the winner, surely they'll buy their album if they're a musical act.
Boy with your abilities to predict the future, you should clean up as a music industry mogul.
I wasn't that blown away by the Millers. They're probably a crowd pleaser at State/County fairs. Okay. You kept hearing how "great" a harmonica player LD is. How many harmonica players have you heard? And list all the 13-year old harmonica players who can't sing on the current top 100.
The problem is, it appears she wasn't even afforded that. What she was "given" wasn't what she was led to believe - i.e. an honest chance to demonstrate her abilities and be judged accordingly. Bear in mind - 2 of the 3 judges said they liked her. This is seen even on the part we were allowed to see. Even if you think they're clueless, even if you don't think Erica is talented this is a fact. Despite this, she wasn't put through, while an act that 2 out 3 judges initially indicated disfavor with - the chubby singer - was put through.
Of course, when you say someone has to "go with what they're given", do you mean they should take any lousy contract they're handed and not negotiate or look for a better deal? Do you mean if someone outright cheats them they shouldn't seek redress? If they're treated deceptively, they shouldn't out the perpetrator?
Opinion noted.
And everyone who's ever become famous was a great songwriter, producer, etc. right?
Even if she had a satchel full of material she'd written herself, she wouldn't have been able to perform it on that show. As it happens, she'd already begun writing songs before she made it onto AGT. But *of course* you knew that and weren't speaking out of ignorance.
I guess Simon should start consulting you first, since apparently he didn't think so. The deal was for $1 million, the record deal was icing.
Which, the positive reviews or the negative ones? I don't listen to critics to form an opinion.
As far as sales, care to cite your sources for her worldwide numbers?
And if things haven't been going as well as hoped, who (if anyone) should bear the blame? I certainly wouldn't expect a 6th grader to be calling the shots. She's doing her part - working her behind off and giving great performances. She showed up to participate just like everybody else & she won. She wasn't even one of the "planted" professional acts that didn't go through the cattle-call process that there was some complaints about. She was offered a record deal by a guy who theoretically knows what he's doing. Where in this scenario do you find any reason to fault the 12-year-old in question?
It was a "talent contest" - the winners of which, after a certain amount of manipulation by the producers, were ultimately decided by the viewing audience. I think you're making the same assumption that Simon probably did, that if hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people voted for the winner, surely they'll buy their album if they're a musical act.
Boy with your abilities to predict the future, you should clean up as a music industry mogul.
I wasn't that blown away by the Millers. They're probably a crowd pleaser at State/County fairs. Okay. You kept hearing how "great" a harmonica player LD is. How many harmonica players have you heard? And list all the 13-year old harmonica players who can't sing on the current top 100.
I guess you never looked at that Keaggy video, too bad. It really would have helped your outlook. How about this as a final statement, I just don't think little kids should be given music deals. It's ridiculous. LD was a great harmonica player. And no he wasn't just "great", he was great. He wasn't really ready either though (doesn't mean they weren't better though). You're only a carefree kid for so long, and you should be allowed that time. The pressures of a musical career seem like something a kid shouldn't have to deal with.
Here's some great harp players: Sonny Boy Williamson
Larry Adler
Little Walter Jacobs
Jean Thielemans
Delbert McLinton
Just because you're ignorant of any time before the 90's doesn't mean it never existed.
I never said everyone that gets famous is great (I do have a radio). Until I see a band or singer that's as inventive and clever as the Beatles, they shouldn't be given the million.
By the way, you'd make a great lawyer. You're very good at rewording five words into a scandilous paragragh. I think I've seen tabloid writers do that a few times.
LD could no doubt get a gig with a good number of famous bands, and then he'd be on the top ten. His brother was just alright.
As for being a music mogul, that's not a bad idea. I could get some 20 year old girl with a phenominal voice. Write a bunch of shallow pop lyrics, and generate some music. Gear it towards teenagers, and she'd be in the top ten lickity split. I wouldn't do that though, because we already have enough of those out there. I checked out Bianca Ryan's few episodes. Yes she's very talented, but I could tell she wasn't going to sell well. I guess you're right about Simon consulting me. If anything though, he should consult David Foster or David Briggs.
Album information Bianca Ryan (Wikipedia)
- Released: November 14, 2006
- Chart positions: #57 US
- RIAA certification:
- U.S. Sales: 91,000
- Worldwide sales:
Ericka Marks got kicked off, and that's the end of it. So start sueing or shut up.
Oh here's another video, maybe you'll give this one a gander. I think it would help:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7DZYPgfjsmQ
Does Bianca write such simple but eloquent lyrics? Does she have great guitar skills, and feeling for what really matters? I don't think so. Neil Young is a legend. Maybe you will be able to recognize who really has something significant to give to this world of music when you listen.
thx for the info neilfan1...IMO, vocal advocate is somehow related or involved with bianca...no one in their right mind would defend her the way he/she has...bianca was LAST YEAR and pretty much is already a has been ;(...
let's focus on today and this year's show...
let's focus on today and this year's show...
Man, I'm gone for a couple of days and chaos reigns!
SMarks, in my opinion, making the assumption you are who you say you are and also making the assumption that 80% of what you said is the truth (following the 80/20 rule), this was not the best place to air your greivances.
1) You have a statistically high probability of exactly what just happened. A lot of people feeling sorry and a lot of people saying "get over it." In the end, niehter of those two positions help you.
2) NBC doesn't come here, not one of the opinions expressed in your thread is from someone with any power to change or even apologize for what may or may not happened.
3) Though you may think "getting it off your chest" will make you feel better, it is in a reality, picking at an old scab and making it bleed again.
I would leave the back and forth arguments of this forum because in the end it will get you nowhere, and really focus on helping your daughter take away even the smallest bit of good from her experience that will help her grow.
The Olandir Disclaimer
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Let me make it clear that I am not calling you a liar, saying your daughter was bad, or otherwise agreeing or disagreeing with your position. I'm not qualified to judge her talents based on the 90 seconds that I saw her nor do I really care to. I also understand that EVERY story has two sides. This means that, though I'm sure you have a legitimate reason to be upset, I'm also sure that NBC has a side to this story that will differ from yours in several ways and I cannot discount that side just because they are the "evil" television empire.
What I am saying is that in the end, you'll gain little if any healing from coming here. Everyone has opinions, but not all of them express it in a kind way. So this could turn out to be a very bad experience should this thread continue too much longer and I definitely do not wish that for you.
SMarks, in my opinion, making the assumption you are who you say you are and also making the assumption that 80% of what you said is the truth (following the 80/20 rule), this was not the best place to air your greivances.
1) You have a statistically high probability of exactly what just happened. A lot of people feeling sorry and a lot of people saying "get over it." In the end, niehter of those two positions help you.
2) NBC doesn't come here, not one of the opinions expressed in your thread is from someone with any power to change or even apologize for what may or may not happened.
3) Though you may think "getting it off your chest" will make you feel better, it is in a reality, picking at an old scab and making it bleed again.
I would leave the back and forth arguments of this forum because in the end it will get you nowhere, and really focus on helping your daughter take away even the smallest bit of good from her experience that will help her grow.
The Olandir Disclaimer
--------------------------
Let me make it clear that I am not calling you a liar, saying your daughter was bad, or otherwise agreeing or disagreeing with your position. I'm not qualified to judge her talents based on the 90 seconds that I saw her nor do I really care to. I also understand that EVERY story has two sides. This means that, though I'm sure you have a legitimate reason to be upset, I'm also sure that NBC has a side to this story that will differ from yours in several ways and I cannot discount that side just because they are the "evil" television empire.
What I am saying is that in the end, you'll gain little if any healing from coming here. Everyone has opinions, but not all of them express it in a kind way. So this could turn out to be a very bad experience should this thread continue too much longer and I definitely do not wish that for you.
QUOTE (neilfan1 @ Jun 15 2007, 07:11 PM)
I guess you never looked at that Keaggy video, too bad.
I'm sure I will. Always happy to hear something new. In fact, I'll make a point of watching it right after I get done telling you how all wet you are.
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How about this as a final statement,
Promise? QUOTE
I just don't think little kids should be given music deals. It's ridiculous.
The great and omniscient neilfan1 has spoken - young singers can't be successful. I guess you've never heard of Donny Osmond, Michael Jackson, Leann Rimes, Lena Zavaroni, Brenda Lee, Tanya Tucker etc. etc. (Odd, since you're the guy who later on whines about being unaware of what's come before)
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LD was a great harmonica player. And no he wasn't just "great", he was great.
.shrug He plays essentially the same stuff as a million other harmonica players. I like harmonica, it's a cool instrument, can be very melodic but it kinda is what it is. Yeah, yeah, I've just po'd every harmonica player in here. Whatever. Compare LD at 40 to LD now. Betcha he'll sound about the same. We could kick this ball around all day but I say he's not as good at harmonica as Sierra Hull is at guitar/mandolin
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mNpVvDXktQY
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Just because you're ignorant of any time before the 90's doesn't mean it never existed.
Well let's see, I was playing in a 40's style big band (tumpet) when I was in high school - which was many decades after the swing era thanks so much. I've played in the pit orchestra for stage musicals like West Side Story, Brigadoon, Man Of LaMancha. Any of that sound pre-90's? I've played in show bands, latin bands, calypso-reggae bands, German Oompah bands. I also do some songwriting.
My personal music collection includes such things as Vivaldi, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky - yep, pre-90's, some of it pre 1790's. Robert Goulet, Sammy Davis Jr., Ed Ames, Doc Severinsen, Harry James, Al Hirt, the Beatles, Clark Terry - not to be confused with Terri Clark though I have an album of hers too, Woody Shaw, Jan Peerce, Sara Evans, Leonard Warren, Chumbawamba - okay there's some 90's, Chicago, Toto, Shania, Chase, Maynard Ferguson in various decades, John Denver, Quincy Jones, Woody Herman and the list goes on and on, some of which I'm guessing you've never heard of.
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I never said everyone that gets famous is great (I do have a radio). Until I see a band or singer that's as inventive and clever as the Beatles, they shouldn't be given the million.
Until you see it, huh. Megalomania much? QUOTE
LD could no doubt get a gig with a good number of famous bands, and then he'd be on the top ten.
Hey, I wish him all the success he can find as long as he doesn't grow up to be a jerk.
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As for being a music mogul, that's not a bad idea. I could get some 20 year old girl with a phenominal voice. Write a bunch of shallow pop lyrics, and generate some music. Gear it towards teenagers, and she'd be in the top ten lickity split.
Yup, that's all there is to it. > I wouldn't do that though, because we already have enough of those out there.
Of course, that's the only reason why you won't be doing that.
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I checked out Bianca Ryan's few episodes. Yes she's very talented, but I could tell she wasn't going to sell well.
And I know the Mets are going to win the '69 World Series.
At least you're clue-endowed enough to recognize that she's talented. That's the part I most care about, whether or not she's been marketed effectively. I'd certainly like to see her have commercial success if she continues to release quality material.
Album information Bianca Ryan (Wikipedia)
- Released: November 14, 2006
- Chart positions: #57 US
- RIAA certification:
- U.S. Sales: 91,000
- Worldwide sales:
That's your documentation?
> That's a poor place on the billboard
Is it now? I welcome you to muster all your resources to release an album that does better. You're gonna have to spend a lot of nights burning CD-R's and weekends at the flea market to match it.
How old are those figures? What's that, you don't know?
And the worldwide number is....?
And ultimately so what? Madonna and Britney Spears don't have a thimblefull of musical talent between them and they've sold albums by the ton, not a single one of which have I ever bought, nor have any intention of buying. Britney is reasonably decent eye candy, which is the only aspect of her I have any use for. I have on the other hand, bought a Jessica Simpson album - not only is she prettier than Britney she can also sing.
> Neil Young is a legend.
Well, I know he likes to whine a lot.
Buwahahaaaaa...
QUOTE (Vocal Advocate @ Jun 15 2007, 05:50 PM)
I'm sure I will. Always happy to hear something new. In fact, I'll make a point of watching it right after I get done telling you how all wet you are.
Promise?
The great and omniscient neilfan1 has spoken - young singers can't be successful. I guess you've never heard of Donny Osmond, Michael Jackson, Leann Rimes, Lena Zavaroni, Brenda Lee, Tanya Tucker etc. etc. (Odd, since you're the guy who later on whines about being unaware of what's come before)
.shrug He plays essentially the same stuff as a million other harmonica players. I like harmonica, it's a cool instrument, can be very melodic but it kinda is what it is. Yeah, yeah, I've just po'd every harmonica player in here. Whatever. Compare LD at 40 to LD now. Betcha he'll sound about the same.
We could kick this ball around all day but I say he's not as good at harmonica as Sierra Hull is at guitar/mandolin
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mNpVvDXktQY
Well let's see, I was playing in a 40's style big band (tumpet) when I was in high school - which was many decades after the swing era thanks so much. I've played in the pit orchestra for stage musicals like West Side Story, Brigadoon, Man Of LaMancha. Any of that sound pre-90's? I've played in show bands, latin bands, calypso-reggae bands, German Oompah bands. I also do some songwriting.
My personal music collection includes such things as Vivaldi, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky - yep, pre-90's, some of it pre 1790's. Robert Goulet, Sammy Davis Jr., Ed Ames, Doc Severinsen, Harry James, Al Hirt, the Beatles, Clark Terry - not to be confused with Terri Clark though I have an album of hers too, Woody Shaw, Jan Peerce, Sara Evans, Leonard Warren, Chumbawamba - okay there's some 90's, Chicago, Toto, Shania, Chase, Maynard Ferguson in various decades, John Denver, Quincy Jones, Woody Herman and the list goes on and on, some of which I'm guessing you've never heard of.
Until you see it, huh. Megalomania much?
Hey, I wish him all the success he can find as long as he doesn't grow up to be a jerk.
Yup, that's all there is to it.
> I wouldn't do that though, because we already have enough of those out there.
Of course, that's the only reason why you won't be doing that.
And I know the Mets are going to win the '69 World Series.
At least you're clue-endowed enough to recognize that she's talented. That's the part I most care about, whether or not she's been marketed effectively. I'd certainly like to see her have commercial success if she continues to release quality material.
Album information Bianca Ryan (Wikipedia)
That's your documentation?
> That's a poor place on the billboard
Is it now? I welcome you to muster all your resources to release an album that does better. You're gonna have to spend a lot of nights burning CD-R's and weekends at the flea market to match it.
How old are those figures? What's that, you don't know?
And the worldwide number is....?
And ultimately so what? Madonna and Britney Spears don't have a thimblefull of musical talent between them and they've sold albums by the ton, not a single one of which have I ever bought, nor have any intention of buying. Britney is reasonably decent eye candy, which is the only aspect of her I have any use for. I have on the other hand, bought a Jessica Simpson album - not only is she prettier than Britney she can also sing.
> Neil Young is a legend.
Well, I know he likes to whine a lot.
Buwahahaaaaa...
Promise?
The great and omniscient neilfan1 has spoken - young singers can't be successful. I guess you've never heard of Donny Osmond, Michael Jackson, Leann Rimes, Lena Zavaroni, Brenda Lee, Tanya Tucker etc. etc. (Odd, since you're the guy who later on whines about being unaware of what's come before)
.shrug He plays essentially the same stuff as a million other harmonica players. I like harmonica, it's a cool instrument, can be very melodic but it kinda is what it is. Yeah, yeah, I've just po'd every harmonica player in here. Whatever. Compare LD at 40 to LD now. Betcha he'll sound about the same.
We could kick this ball around all day but I say he's not as good at harmonica as Sierra Hull is at guitar/mandolin
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mNpVvDXktQY
Well let's see, I was playing in a 40's style big band (tumpet) when I was in high school - which was many decades after the swing era thanks so much. I've played in the pit orchestra for stage musicals like West Side Story, Brigadoon, Man Of LaMancha. Any of that sound pre-90's? I've played in show bands, latin bands, calypso-reggae bands, German Oompah bands. I also do some songwriting.
My personal music collection includes such things as Vivaldi, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky - yep, pre-90's, some of it pre 1790's. Robert Goulet, Sammy Davis Jr., Ed Ames, Doc Severinsen, Harry James, Al Hirt, the Beatles, Clark Terry - not to be confused with Terri Clark though I have an album of hers too, Woody Shaw, Jan Peerce, Sara Evans, Leonard Warren, Chumbawamba - okay there's some 90's, Chicago, Toto, Shania, Chase, Maynard Ferguson in various decades, John Denver, Quincy Jones, Woody Herman and the list goes on and on, some of which I'm guessing you've never heard of.
Until you see it, huh. Megalomania much?
Hey, I wish him all the success he can find as long as he doesn't grow up to be a jerk.
Yup, that's all there is to it.
> I wouldn't do that though, because we already have enough of those out there.
Of course, that's the only reason why you won't be doing that.
And I know the Mets are going to win the '69 World Series.
At least you're clue-endowed enough to recognize that she's talented. That's the part I most care about, whether or not she's been marketed effectively. I'd certainly like to see her have commercial success if she continues to release quality material.
Album information Bianca Ryan (Wikipedia)
- Released: November 14, 2006
- Chart positions: #57 US
- RIAA certification:
- U.S. Sales: 91,000
- Worldwide sales:
That's your documentation?
> That's a poor place on the billboard
Is it now? I welcome you to muster all your resources to release an album that does better. You're gonna have to spend a lot of nights burning CD-R's and weekends at the flea market to match it.
How old are those figures? What's that, you don't know?
And the worldwide number is....?
And ultimately so what? Madonna and Britney Spears don't have a thimblefull of musical talent between them and they've sold albums by the ton, not a single one of which have I ever bought, nor have any intention of buying. Britney is reasonably decent eye candy, which is the only aspect of her I have any use for. I have on the other hand, bought a Jessica Simpson album - not only is she prettier than Britney she can also sing.
> Neil Young is a legend.
Well, I know he likes to whine a lot.
Buwahahaaaaa...
Glad to know you watched it! I hope it mellowed you a little man. I can see you're very invested. Me, well I'm just trying to pass a little midnight summer vacation boredom.
Here's another video for you.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iTnjamHsyz4
Mr. Stonehill, one of the greatest christian artists of our time.
Here's a concession. I respect Erica Marks courage to go on stage, as I respect all that auditioned. Happy? Probably not. Ah well. As Keaggy once said: "The river will run fast, the river will run slow, but that's the way it goes."
Oh and don't worry. I'm sure there will be more videos to come.
P.S. Good music man. I've heard em for sure. Liked that guitar girl, lots of bluegrass in her. Glad you could give me your life story. I think once you check out some of the Phil Keaggy videos, I believe it will completely change your view of the guitar.
For watching material I suggest buying the dvd Randy Stonehill and Phil Keaggy Together Live! or something like that. I don't think alot of christian music (mainly rock) is all that good, but there are a few. Phil and Randy could win over the most staunch of atheists haha.
QUOTE (agtFAN @ Jun 15 2007, 03:10 PM)
thx for the info neilfan1...IMO, vocal advocate is somehow related or involved with bianca...no one in their right mind would defend her the way he/she has...bianca was LAST YEAR and pretty much is already a has been ;(...
let's focus on today and this year's show...
let's focus on today and this year's show...
Ya man anytime, but I'm just a kid that's bored. You could write a novel out of some of these responses haha. I think America's Got Talent is a great show, and I hope it lasts a few more seasons. The fact that it's got us all talkin says something about, whether it be positive or negative haha.
QUOTE (neilfan1 @ Jun 16 2007, 01:58 AM)
Glad to know you watched it! I hope it mellowed you a little man.
You seem to assume this is the first guitar player I've ever heard. Other names I have just in youtube downloads - Chet Atkins, John McLaughlin, Trace Bundy, Roy Clark, Strength in Numbers, Tony Rice, Tuck & Patti, Victor Wooten.
Ever heard of John Williams or Andres Segovia? And if you haven't and call yourself a guitar player, you need to be slapped severely.
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Phil and Randy could win over the most staunch of atheists haha.
I can personally attest to the fact that they couldn't. Pretty chord changes don't negate bad ideas.
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thx for the info neilfan1...IMO, vocal advocate is somehow related or involved with bianca...
Not sure how you define "involved" but I recognize talent when I see it.
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bianca was LAST YEAR
There you have it folks - the voice of the empty calorie, nothing ever happened outside the 30 seconds they've been aware of anything, what's WWII?, stimulate my brain with huge jolts of loud mediocrity, I-POD and cel phone surgically attached to their head, text messagin', tongue pierced, skateboardin', hair dyed 7 shades of purple and blond, baggy britches around their butt, X-Box addicted, mommy and daddy buy me all the crap I want mega-consumerism youth market has spoken and has declared that talent has an expiration date.
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Not sure how you define "involved" but I recognize talent when I see it.
There you have it folks - the voice of the empty calorie, nothing ever happened outside the 30 seconds they've been aware of anything, what's WWII?, stimulate my brain with huge jolts of loud mediocrity, I-POD and cel phone surgically attached to their head, text messagin', tongue pierced, skateboardin', hair dyed 7 shades of purple and blond, baggy britches around their butt, X-Box addicted, mommy and daddy buy me all the crap I want mega-consumerism youth market has spoken and has declared that talent has an expiration date.
There you have it folks - the voice of the empty calorie, nothing ever happened outside the 30 seconds they've been aware of anything, what's WWII?, stimulate my brain with huge jolts of loud mediocrity, I-POD and cel phone surgically attached to their head, text messagin', tongue pierced, skateboardin', hair dyed 7 shades of purple and blond, baggy britches around their butt, X-Box addicted, mommy and daddy buy me all the crap I want mega-consumerism youth market has spoken and has declared that talent has an expiration date.
Woah...dark haha. Yes I have heard of them, and I have heard a lot of them. I think this is going off topic though. Tell us more of the exploits of Erica Marks.
P.S. How'd you like that Keaggy video?
Here's another one to tide you over:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fcFBBimDUpE
Here's an excerpt from his song "Salvation Army Band" from the dvd Randy Stonehill and Phil Keaggy Together Live!. Check it out from a 1:35, man it's awesome.
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