And tidbits are all I have. I said before in a previous post, these first eps don't look like much on paper.

These are a list of the first eps of Season 9. Of course, they could be filming out of order, it happens.

Harm
Alternate
Avatar
Impulsive
Savant
Svengali

Overall, there is alot about babies and pregnancy, gee I wonder why. Lake seems to be an overachiever type, always the first at the scene, last to go home. Stabler doesn't appreciate his know-it-all-ness but Benson seems to like him.

Impulsive - Somebody said this was supposed to be the premiere and I think it had a few interesting things in it. I have notes at work, so I'll get those tomorrow. I posted them already, but someone said the thread was closed and to repost.

Avatar - This is supposed to be about some internet chat thing, like the Sims, only your chatting and other stuff with a Sim-like avatar. Seemed a bit far-fetched for me. But that's only on paper.

Savant - This is about babies born with diseases, pre-natal screening, having the baby vs aborting etc. Porter is back in this episode. Stabler could care less about Porter's interest in the case. Porter calls Stabler a b*stard. Benson and Lake have a few scenes together. The case gets Stabler to thinking about his own child on the way (yes, the baby is still around in this ep). He's worried about abnormalities (I guess being that Kathy is, ahem, older). Liv tells him to "see a doctor" and he says "We're catholic. Maybe it's better we don't know." Now I don't know if Liv says it like see a doctor and get off my back about it or aw, see a doctor el, that might help. We shall see.
There's a really funny scene where Fin and Lake are in the waiting room of an OB's office. A pregnant woman says to Fin "do you know what you're having?". Fin is like "excuse me?" The woman then goes on about how it's hard for gay people to adopt and about surrogates and "you seem like a nice couple." Fin is appalled. The nurse calls them in and Lake turns to the woman and says "Thanks, you've just made my day."
Novak has some good court scenes.

Svengali - This is revolving around college kids and an underground comic book.
Yes, the baby is still around in this one.
Lake is being his know-it-all self and Stabler says to Fin "Good thing he's your partner. I'd be up on police brutality by now." Fin says "I feel ya."
Interesting little bit where it says "Stabler walks into the SVU squadroom which is still in shambles from the explosion." Apparently, some guy dressed like a pizza guy bombed the squadroom.
Stabler gets a text message from Kathy who wants Tacos and peanut butter, so he scampers off to find some for her.
Benson is attacked in her apartment after work one night, but don't worry, she kicks a**.

Anyway, that what I got for ya.

I posted all of this over at the USA board a while back:
http://forums.usanetwork.com/index.php?sho...7&hl=season 9&st=120#

Here's a list of episodes for Season 9 (airing order TBD):

9001 - Impulse
A rape case about a teacher and student turns out to be something else.

9002 - Harm
The death of a young woman turns from a local incident to an international affair.

9003 - Alternate
A woman with multiple personality syndrome is at the heart of an SVU case.

9004 - Avatar
An on-line virtual reality game takes on a frightening real feel when one of the players is kidnapped.

9005 - Savant
When a woman is raped and put into a coma, the only witness is a young girl with Williams Syndrome.

9006 - Svengali
An incarcerated murderer influences a follower to make it look like he wasn't responsible for the murder that landed him in prison. The squadroom gets a new makeover.

All of these synopses are based on current script pages and could changes in minor or major ways. Some eps may not be used at all or moved to later in the season or have their names changes.

Liv gets attacked!

This should be intresting...

Liv kicks a$$ again? Yea! (not her fault this time)

I knew Porter and Elliot would butt heads! Someone else said it but I don't know who. Happy he is back.

I hope they keep in the gay couple thing that would be hysterical.

That's true that there could be any last minute editing- remember this last season we heard about the Easter Bunny and Olivia exchange that apparently never aired. I hope at least it would appear in "deleted scenes" of the DVD like season 2 did. It was disappointing that season 3 didn't have any.

Tacos and peanut butter? So much for ice cream and sardines (I've been watching too much Lucy...)

So far it seems interesting.

That thing with Fin and lake, I hope I keep it in Ibet it will be funny.

Yeah, Porter is back! Elliot and Porter- turf war!

Yeah!! some action for Olivia!!

Fin´s scene sounds hilarious

Elliot and Porter will butt heads cause they both care for Liv. No matter how small. Elliot is going to want to protect her no matter what. Porter my fell that Elliot is just being nosey or tryin to keep Olivia back. But with the case Porter should understan that he has no clue what goes on in people's lives so he can't gte on with anyone.
I noticed that mysterrose made sure to stress that the baby is still around.LOL Sorry its just funny how you continued to make it known. I dont blame you for doing it, cause I know that people are going to somewhat happy to hear that abortion is mentioned.

Wasn't there supposed to be an episode where Stabler interviewed a man who's wife went through an abortion? I forgot the name of it but it was rumored to be the season's start-off

I'm sure this answer to my question will be answered when the season premiere gets nearer and more details about the episode would be released by then but in the meantime, I'll just throw it out there- any word about Kathleen's (second) arrest?

I like these tidbits, hope some are true........Olivia attacked?? She's going to be pretty mad and I'll bet she does kick butt! Glad to see Lake coming - maybe he can wake up Stabler a bit who's stuck in his old life with Kathy - tired of the old divorce, just get on with it, and what's up with the whole baby thing?? Isn't that kind of cliche, sleeping with your ex and she winds up pregnant, kind of ho-hum on the writers' part I think...................anyone else bored with that? Anyway, guess we'll see when season 9 gets here, can't wait, just hope they don't break up the squad too much or it could be bad news for the show! Please post any more hints if you get them, it's fun to imagine what's next!

Yes, the abortion topic comes up in Impulsive. I posted it earlier but the thread was closed. A woman is raped and she has an abortion. Her husband is furious and Elliot discusses it with him. Casey also gets pretty involved in this one. Olivia has to pry her off of some guy she starts beating on.

I haven't seen anything about the arrest, I'm interested to know too!

Is Aidan Quinn joining the cast for season 9?

If you go to www.viewimages.com & search Aidan Quinn, they have a few pictures of Aidan & Adam Beach on the set. As an Aidan fan, I'd love to see him on SVU, but I can't find any info at all about him joining...even if as a guest star!

Yes, it looks like he's playing Ben Nicholson in the Impulsive episode *I think*. Probably the season premiere. So a guest spot. That'll be awesome, I love Aidan Quinn too!!!

2 questions, if lake is Fin's partner what's happened to Munch and is Cragen in the scripts?

Munch is there, just partnerless, which is unfortunate, because I do love the Fin-Munch lines. The Easger egg one is the best, but the "know how many cops shoot their partners and get off on justifiable?" is good too. And the "my Jew." Ohhh there's so many. *Sigh
I hope they find some way to incorporate those into S9

As for Cragen, I have no idea.

Me too! I love the Fin/Munch combo. Lake could be wonderful but it will never be the same because Munch and Fin is different it adds to their charm.

I loved the way Munch had Fin's back in Screwed... and that my Jew thing was hysterical!


My guess is Cragen will have more time this year, maybe a lottle tougher in the guise of keeping his detectives in line.

Ya, Munch is just floating. On the first season with Det. Jeffries, she kind of just float and didn't really have a partner, so it's kind of like that.

And yes, Cragen is in the scripts, I don't think he's getting any more or less than any other season. He does make mention of going down to "compstat" which is a division of the police department. Look it up on wikipedia, it's purpose is somewhat ambiguous. It could be part of the storyline that was started in the season finale about Cragen in trouble. It could just be that the "brass" are keeping a closer eye on him. It's open to interpretation anyway.

Fight - a Fin/Lake episode in Season nine that actually looks really good on paper. These two are almost finding there groove. more spoilers at lawandorderfans.com

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Any chance of the return of Elliot's wedding ring? It was said before that he would have it back on by Annihilated but it wasn't so maybe for the start of season 9?

Not sure about the wedding ring but here is a spoiler for and episode called Intimidation.

A 15 year old girl is found naked and hanging from the bottom of a boat, her genitals have been mutilated.

We learn that Stabler went on a date, while separated from Kathy, with a lady who works for immigration, and he and Benson have to go to her for some help and the lady flirts shamelessly with Elliot.

Then later the woman says something to the effect of, "Why didn't you call me back after our date?" And El tells her that he's gotten back together with his wife. To which the woman says, "I figured that would happen. Congratulations."

ooooh! but it's funny how we always find these things out later. as in, we've followed elliot in the years he spent separate from kathy, and there was never any mention of him dating. you can tell the script writers just thought it up later. boo.

Is there any mention whether someone is hurt in the blast? (I'm wondering if that's why we see Lake with Fin, maybe Munch gets hurt in the blast)

I didn't think Elliot dated at all! With the exception of flirting with Dr. Hendrix and kissing Dani, Elliot seemed pretty miserable without his family and being alone. I suppose he was trying to pick himself up to move on but from what Kaysee posted, it was just one date so I guess he wasn't ready as he thought he was?

Makes me wonder if Kathy went on a few dates herself (my bet is that she did, especially after she filed for divorce)

Makes me wonder if Kathy went on a few dates herself (my bet is that she did, especially after she filed for divorce)

I can't believe that Kathkeen wouldn't have told Elliot the news if Kathy had been dating while they were seperated. It's just the sort of news she would like to tell him. Especially after he went after her boyfriend in Clock.

I think Kathleen has a protective-mode of her mother; if Kathy told the kids not to tell Elliot that she was dating I think Kathleen would've kept that secret of all the kids. But I agree, Kathleen would've thrown it in Elliot's face when she's mad at him especially

You mention it once and you don't hear the end of it.

You are probably right. They always tell us these things afterward. I think this is what they should do. Okay, Kathleen tells her dad that Kathy was in a really close relationship with another man and that is why she tried to get Liv to make El sign the devorce papers and that the litlle ones even started calling him daddy. He gets ticked and confronts Kathy about it then that whole abortion eppy happens. (Whatever) Then they break up (no baby now) then that thing with El and Porter happens THEN El tells Liv how he fills about her vise versa.

This season will hopefully be just a little bit more exciteing for the E/O fans.

That whole Fin and Lake thing sounds really funny being that Fin seems so serious all the time.

IN YOUR FACES!! You guys got all mad when I brought up the subject of abortion and told me that it will never happen. Well HA!! I told you. See at least there will be an eppy on the subject. So the next time some one brings up the subject of something do not get mad because you never know, there might be an eppy on it!

On a lighter note this season seems great. Last season things finally started to heat up twords the end. Hopfully it will stay that way the whole next season.

Elliot would have never let Kathy to have an abortion, more so because they are both catholic and if that's not enough, they both love their kids so this baby will be loved despite whatever issues Elliot and Kathy have for themselves and each other. I don't think Kathy would even consider an abortion for herself either- if she had, Maureen wouldn't have been born.

Only problem I have with your statement, Elliot does not have to let her, women have the choice.

I agree with everything else though

According to the dictionary, the word Svengali means someone who tries to persuade or force another person to do his bidding.

If you go back and read the earlier posts here, the subject of abortion deals with a different pregancy than Kathy's. A woman is raped and decides to have an abortion without telling her husband. He's upset because he's Catholic and doesn't believe in abortion. Which is something Elliot can relate to.

If Kathy was considering an abortion, why would she told Elliot she needs him to come home because she's pregnant?

I've heard Munch gets hurt really bad next season. Svengali might be it.

I am furious! I haven't seen Munch and Fin working together in an episode (or a decent Munch-based episode as well) and here the writers are like "Let's blow him up and put him on a desk permenantly since we don't know what to do with him anymore..." <--- writers

*grumbles*

They have taken the comment about Stabler dating out of the script.

They have taken the comment about Stabler dating out of the script.

Good. It didn't ring true. I can understand the kiss with Dani after two years of separation and a couple of beers. But Elliot dating while he's still married doesn't fit the character.

It isn't shocking for someone to start dating again while being separated but I agree, Elliot dating doesn't fit- from what we've seen in the two years he was crumbling without Kathy in his life and sleeping in the crib instead of going to the house, why would he date?

Maybe it was a lunch with a colleague who happened to be female. He told her what was going on because she asked. Now, months later, they run into each other in a business situation and she asks how things are going. He says he's back with Kathy and her reaction is, "I figured that would happen." I know I've had lunch with many a male colleague who just needed to talk. Didn't mean we were dating, just eating at the same place at the same time.

The writers took out the Elliot dating part but what about the flirting bit? He could say "I'm still married, back with my wife" or something like that to get her to cool off- words of a cold shower.

Obviously nobody but you, Munchkin25, and I care about Munch's future on the show. Funny he was such a big deal in the beginning, they brought his character over from Homicide Life On The Streets but now they don't care, every thing is about Olivia/Elliot/Kathy, and frankly if I wanted to watch that kind of stuff in the evening I'd turn over to the Soap channeland catch up on Days of Our Lives or General Hospital.

I mean really, all this will Elliot and Kathy get back together? Will she have the baby? There ought to be organ music in the background.

You know the problem with JOhn's character? he doesn't have an illegitimate daughter running around somewhere that could hook up Dickie Stabler.

I agree that I don't want this show to be a soap opera- one of my top main reason why I don't ever want Elliot and Olivia together. That's for day-time television.

As for Elliot and Kathy- all signs point to that the baby will be around. The biggie sign was from TV Guide around the time SVU's finale aired that Neal Baer said that Elliot will indeed go back home and relearn how to be a husband and father again, especially since his four kids range from 15 to 22 and can practically look after themselves and have lives of their own.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out that Munch does have a kid. I mean, the man had four wives, you would expect that one of them would've gotten pregnant? I did some research and his first wife, Gwen, has died and Munch had always taken care of her and loved her a lot too. His second and third wives are questionable. His fourth wife was from Homicide show, Billie Lou the bartender. I never seen that show so I don't know much about her or her ability to have children. My best bet if Munch was to have children with anyone, it would be with wife #2 and 3.
I can't help but think in the back of my mind that Cragen has a child out there too. I heard that on the mothership series that he had a daughter but on SVU he claims to have no children. It's very possible that they are extremely estranged and he disowned her.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out that Munch does have a kid. I mean, the man had four wives, you would expect that one of them would've gotten pregnant? I did some research and his first wife, Gwen, has died and Munch had always taken care of her and loved her a lot too. His second and third wives are questionable. His fourth wife was from Homicide show, Billie Lou the bartender. I never seen that show so I don't know much about her or her ability to have children. My best bet if Munch was to have children with anyone, it would be with wife #2 and 3.

Wife #2 is Maria and Wife #3 is Nancy. According to Munch, they emptied his bank accounts rather well. If either of them had his child, he would would have paying child support from day one. Billie Lou is unlikely to have had Munch's child since the only night of wedded bliss was far from blissful:
MUNCH: Ohhh, 'bout six or so weeks ago I agreed in a moment of imbecility that I wouldn't have sex with Billie Lou until our wedding night? As you might suspect, I've been anticipating nightfall with rising expectations. We get back to our place, we got our clothes off, we got in bed...
LEWIS: Expectations failed to rise?
MUNCH: Worse. I'm in the World Series. Bottom of the ninth. Bases loaded. I swing before she pitches the ball.
LEWIS: Ouch. But you still got two more strikes.
MUNCH: Not at my age. (Gesturing to glass:) Pour.

That leaves Gwen. I know her mother died and was buried in All is Bright. But I don't remember anything about her being dead as well. I do remember she and Lenny Briscoe had an affair.

Cragen mentions a fourteen year old daughter in the L & O episode Bad Faith. But she is never mentioned again and Cragen has said he has no kids on SVU. I can't imagine Cragen disowning his daughter especially after Runaway.

I'd never heard anything about Gwen dying just her Mom. IF Munch has a kid out there, much more likely it's the child of a girlfriend who decided to keep it a secret because any of his ex's would have used a kid as a way to hold him up for child support, and we've never heard of him paying child support, plus I think he'd be a father who would pay attention to his kid. He did once say to a kid he was interviewing that IF he had kids he'd have to call them Munchkins, so sounds like he's not aware of having any kids.

She could've been Marge's daughter from a previous relationship/marriage...was there any mention of how long Don and Marge were married?

Thank you. We are not alone, AT!

And you are right AT. In S1 and S2, it was all about Munch because everyone loved him. And not only that, he's the reason why we have SVU today. A lot of the HLOTS fans came over just because of him. Whether they became fans of the other characters or the Munch and Fin partnership remains unknown.

So, E/O would not exist without Munch... hmmmm... irony of ironies? SVU never did well in its first season, but when it switched to Friday nights, it took off.

So pay some respect to this man already and give him a excellent episode devoted nothing but him and with some Fin. Everyone has decent parts and for once, Benson and Stabler can be the choefer partnership and go pick up stuff for their case and do the work for them, but Munch and Fin take all the glory.



Actually, Gwen is still alive and well. SVU has never even mentioned her dying and in HLOTS she was alive and well because she came back in S6 of Homicide to ask John in helping her organize her mother's funeral. She owns a restaurant in Hells Kitchen, NYC. A lot of fans of Munch have been complaining that we have never seen his first wife once on SVU because of this.

And I've always wondered about Cragen's kid too. Especially when he said in SVU that's why he doesn't have any. A lot fans have played this one around. Maybe he was referring to the present time he said it or just over all in general.

Actually, Gwen is still alive and well. SVU has never even mentioned her dying and in HLOTS she was alive and well because she came back in S6 of Homicide to ask John in helping her organize her mother's funeral. She owns a restaurant in Hells Kitchen, NYC. A lot of fans of Munch have been complaining that we have never seen his first wife once on SVU because of this

Maybe if Munch gets injuried in the blast that takes out the squad room, she'll show up to see him.

Well Gwen will probably come visit him in a fan fiction if he gets hurt (though I can't remember that she did when he got shot in the episode Raw)

Well Gwen will probably come visit him in a fan fiction if he gets hurt (though I can't remember that she did when he got shot in the episode Raw)

We didn't see or hear about her showing up in Raw. But he was just one of the injuried there where there were so many others killed. She may notice blowing up the squad room more than a shooting in a courtroom. She has to know where Munch works if he's still paying alimony.

I wonder which anniversary of who Munch was in a crabby mood in Contact