I've just read Journeyman first episode scored a 5.9/10 can anyone translate that into millions? It finished third behind CSI:Miami 9.8/16 and The Bachelor 6.3/10 but it beat the bachelor in total viewers.

From what source did you read it?

Zap2it.com it should also be mentioned that it lost alot of viewers in the second half hour which is not a good sign, it started 7.2/11

One article is already saying if it does worse next week that could be it...first on the chopping block for the year.

It's not quite fair, the show was supposed to have a strong lead-in. nbc built it's whole schedule around heroes. According to Mediaweek, Zap2it...they were down 9% from last year's premiere. The network went with all sci-fi due to heroes and it doesn't even win it's own time slot! But coming in third for the night is better than fourth!

I didn't expect it to 10 pm est slot because of CSI but I thought it would do better.

Aren't the ratings numbers adjusted after one week to account for delayed viewing? I'd be interested to check them again before the 2nd episode.

I think that Journeyman will eventually capture it's audience. Lets just hope that NBC will stand behind this show. It has all the right elements,great writting, characters depth, strong acting/actors to me it's a winning combination.

NBC, needs to understand no new series can automatically maintain ,Heroes lead-in ratings at least not at first.It will work, if they're patient. They waited on 30 rock. At least wait until mid-season break, at which point a proper evaluation can be rendered of journeyman's future status. That would be fair for their net, as well as any potential fanbase..Late

Sorry, DVR #'s don't mean anything for the network, because those commercials aren't being watched.
The most important number was the loss of a million viewers in the second half hour...that hurts.

This argument was applied to a number of NBC's shows last year. This network has a track record of looking at the ratings demographics and 2nd half hour retention and then making up its mind in a matter of 2-3 weeks. Their theory for this season was to build around Heroes and it is beginning to fail. Monday at 10 is a death slot anyway so I would enjoy it quickly, it won't see Thanksgiving.

Please understand how ratings numbers work.

There are approximately 115.2 million television viewing households in this country. A single ratings point represents 1,152,000 households. When you hear people talk about a show’s share they are talking about what % of television sets are tuned to a particular program. So a 5.9/10 means that 5.9% or 6,796,800 households were tuned in at any particular time. The 10 means that 10% of all televisions in use were tuned in to this program. You then have to take into account the target demographic. Networks consider the 18-34 age group the most desirable. Add to the mix what they call Alpha viewers who tend to be older, wealthier and are usually trend setters and you begin to get a sense of how the process works. Alpha viewers are usually outside the target demographic group, but are very desirable to advertisers, because 1 Alpha viewer spends as much as 5 regular viewers.

For what it's worth a show with a 5.9/10 is closing in on needing life support.

Oh no....this is bad news.
I hope that they give the show a chance to gain an audience.
Monday Nite Football is going on right now, and a lot of people are watching that.

Well, anyone who won't even give a show a full hour to make up their mind is a moron anyway. Actually, I think you need to watch half a dozen episodes before you can really make up your mind about a show.

The same thing happened with Invasion, FWIW. Fantastic show, but the network execs viewed the fact that it followed "Lost" as an aid, while I think it may have been a hindrance. Same for Heroes and Journeyman. On it's own the ratings are pretty good, considering the competition it faced.

After I've sat and watched one show, I don't really want to sit and watch ANOTHER one immediately. So I DVR the show and watch it later. I'm sure I can't be the only one who does this. Jericho got cancelled initially because they didn't account for DVR viewers, and I think viewers of thoughtful shows like Jericho and Journeyman are more likely to DVR the show anyway.

As far as the show itself, it has fantastic potential. I just hope the network doesn't make any rash decisions, and jump to false conclusions based on possibly misinterpreted data. I sure like Journeyman a lot better than Bionic Woman at this point, and it's quite frustrating that Bionic Woman is doing well, while Journeyman is only getting average ratings.

So, why is it that Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip was cancelled? Everyone kept talking about how they had the highest numbers in this particular demographic (Alpha group).

This might be a stupid questioned,but you might know. Just out of pure curiosity how do they track anolog users or should I say people who still use antennas to watch tv? I can understand cable users,but antenna users. Do you have a answer?

NBC was under enormous pressure to generate profits fast because the network is failing so fast -- both in terms of numbers of viewers watching -- and rapidly diminishing ad revenue -- which directly relates to how many viewers are watching.

Studio 60 was an expensive show to produce, and it was shifted away from its original time slot which was intended to be Thursday nights at 10.

The show's first episode was an 8.6/14 and it slipped from there, but the lowest it got in the "death" time slot was a 5.8/10 in the first month of the show. It also retained its Alpha viewership, and was the most time-shifted show on television. People were watching CSI and recording S60 to watch it on the next night. It also was selling alot on iTunes. When you added the time-shifted viewers its share went up a full point. Unfortunately, NBC does not allow those numbers to enter into its programming decisions.

Companies like Apple, Nissan and other top end sponsors pretty much stayed with the show until NBC put it into an indefinite hiatus. Admittedly its ratings were falling but the hiatus killed it. What confused many people was that the Alpha viewers remained loyal to the show and many believe if NBC had stayed with the show, allowed its creators to work on character development and plot lines that it could well have turned into another West Wing.

Advertisers love Alpha viewers.

The answer to your question is that a 5.9/10 can work if you are attracting the right audience, and you have a network and advertisers willing to support the show. NBC's track record in this area in the last couple of years has been very poor.

CBS reversed itself with Jericho when it relaized that even those its numbers were weak, they believed they could build an audience for the show and they stuck with it -- after considerable public demonstrations by its viewers.

NBC believed it could make more money with far cheaper "scripted" reality shows like the "Real Wedding Crashers" so they dumped S60. If you look back all those reality shows failed -- most lasting for only 2 or 3 weeks.

If you like Journeyman, it is not too early to let NBC know it -- loudly and vocally. If you don't you will see a "hiatus" and that will be the end.

Hope this helps.

There is no such thing as a stupid question. The answer is that analog viewers have become such a small percentage of household viewers that the impact they would have on ratings would mean virtually nothing. I checked with a friend last night who does audience research and he believes that analog households are not even measured anymore, because it is so much easier and faster to monitor cable households.

Aye aye sir! It is a lot better to let NBC know over the next few weeks as loudly as possible how much you like the show, than to try to fight a steep uphill battle after it goes on "hiatus". If they hear from enough fans how it is a very well written and acted storyline, they may stick with it longer. And shows like this need some time to draw their audience. If the show keeps being as good as it promises to be, the buzz factor will help it survive.

They may also be more willing to try it at another time instead of the "death slot" if they hear from lots of us.

are they trying to cancel it already? I loved it

I noticed that the 1st Episode was aired on the SciFi Channel last night.
They did that with 'Heroes' last year.

Hopefully, they will continue to show upcoming episodes on the SciFi Channel.
This will help the show gain an audience.

I did not not watch Heroes until it was replayed on SiFi network becuse it was up against some other shows I was watching. However, now... I am addicted!

Is it me or is nbc promos for Journeyman bad. I mean do mondays they say new hit chuck, and the epic heroes then travel with journeyman. Is it me or are they leaving Journeyman hanging?

Yet NBC has used time-shifted demographics and iTunes downloads to keep The Office on the air, especially during the 2nd season.

Here's a link to the article: How iTunes Saved the Office

. . . . of course the title's a bit ironic in light of recent developments.

Thanks for all the info, strt15.

Happy to help.....

The same reason that Journeyman is in danger more than many shows in its position would be; "Studio 60" was expensive to make. Plus, there was a point pretty early on when it was decided that S60 "wasn't working," and once a manager makes up their mind on something like that, it's very difficult to get them to change their mind.

Episode 2 ratings are in and not good. It finished 5.2/9 behind CSI: Miami's 9.9/16 and Bachelor's 6.8/11 that's third out of the 3 networks playing shows at that hour. Not looking good journeyman fans.

It's not that bad for the death slot. I pretty much knew going in that it wouldn't beat CSI Miami, or the Bachelor. I had hoped for a little better, but it's not doing badly. I hope NBC doesn't make a kneejerk reaction because it's a really good show, wayyyy better than Bionic Woman so far. Hopefully, they'll stick with it like they did Friday Night Lights.

When and where can we see ratings with the DVR incorporated rather than just the overnights? I am pretty sure that this show is getting a higher than average DVR boost.

hope so i would not be a happy person if this one goes.

Bummer....I was hoping for better ratings.

This is such a good show.
I hope it continues in spite of the ratings.

Just saw the ratings, wished they were higher. I cant believe people still watch the bachelor, that show is completely ridiculous. Im kind of surprised so many people watch Dancing with the Stars too, that show bores me to death and I dont even turn the tv on Mondays at 8pm anymore.

I was hoping for better ratings too. Lost a lot of viewers from last week. NBC has a good reputation for sticking by shows (sorry Studio fans, but that's usually true). Hopefully, they will take into account that the J is going up against two ratings heavyweights and give it a chance to shine. The first two episodes were so good. It really ticks me off when a show is set up for failure, like Jericho was against American Idol. There's so much more that they can do with this show. Please give it a chance NBC.

Well, here's some positive news (or spin) from Variety magazine:

"The 10 o'clock drama battle went to CBS' "CSI: Miami" (4.6/12 in 18-49, 14.9 million viewers overall) over NBC's "Journeyman" (3.3/8 in 18-49, 8.4 million viewers overall), but the latter rookie held up well, down just slightly despite a larger dropoff for its lead-in."

I wouldn't be too worried about finishing third, because the HUMONGOUS HIT Heroes is a third place show too. Last year S60 got cancelled, because of expense and expectations. Now NBC knows they are in the crapper and doesn't hope to get out.

Absolutely. I don't know how much Journeyman cost, but really that would be the bigger thing than ratings to potentially push it over the cliff, was if the network felt like they couldn't raise the sponsorship dollars to keep MAKING the show at all.

I just emailed nbc with regard to keeping Journeyman on air and did also mention that if the show is struggling in its current time slot that they could try changing its schedule time before axing it. If everyone else who is a fan of Journeyman does the same then hopefully we can stave off any plans to drop the show. As far as I'm concerned this is the best of the new crop of shows on tv this year and deserves to make it. It's even better than the Bionic Woman and I was excited enough about that show coming out.

I think the line up should be Journeyman Heroes and Bionic Woman on Monday nights

Shaun! Of immortal Jericho-saving fame! I hope you can help us save Journeyman, too, if it comes to that. I still have high hopes that it won't come to that, however. I do think you are right that Journeyman would get better ratings before Heroes, though.

It's my understanding they revise the ratings at the end of the week to account for time-shifted viewing.

I wouldn't want NBC to change the airing placement at all. That's one of the biggest problems with new shows - nobody can find them. NBC knew this was considered the "Death Slot" when they placed the show here; I'm just hoping they give it a chance.

Productions costs have got to be much lower than shows like Studio 60 (which had big stars), and as was mentioned earlier (I think on this thread?) it's a lot cheaper to keep a show than create a new one.

Word of mouth, people. Get it going, and start blogging. Blogging saved The Office. Let's get cracking with all the shows we love.

CSI kinda turns my stomach, and I cannot believe anyone watches that stupid Bachelor show.

I would really like to encourage Journeyman fans to get very visible and stay that way.

If Variety is right (see link) then NBC is already working on a new pilot to replace one of its fall sc-fi shows. It is a remake of the old sci-fi show "Knight Rider."

You should set up Google links to Journeyman so you can follow the day to day news on the show.

Here is the Variety link:

Knight Rider

I am in love with this show. I found the premiere to be much better than Bionic Woman's. This is actually my favorite show of the new crop. Due to Monday Night Football I DVR so I guess it is good my tv doesn't matter in ratings. On the plus side I was listening to Ron and Fez show which is national on XM's Virus and the host Ron Bennington called the show his favorite of the new season as well. Word of mouth buzz definitely can't hurt it.

Sorry, but that's totally untrue. In fact, I almost refuse to get too invested in any NBC Fall show until I KNOW it's a keeper. Remember Kidnapped? Black Donnelly's? two of the better shows in the last 5 years or so and both got tanked.

But I am with you, I hope they give it a fair shot. I think it's the best out of Bionic Woman and LIFE.

I love this show, and I will watch it in any time slot. The ratings system is flawed--many more people watch through DVRs now, like me.

NBC should keep this show where it is. If they shift it then it's only gonna lose more of an audience. Please NBC keep it going. It's a great show, we need to start the campaign.

You are excessively patient. I give a show between 1 and 2 full episodes before making up my mind. Shows that I wasn't that wild about and didn't impress me in the first episode? I never watch again. Life is a perfect example of this. Shows that I was excited about and disappointed me in the first episode? I give it a 2nd episode to see if maybe it picks up or the 1st episode was an anomaly. Chuck is a great example of that one.

Half a dozen? Never that.

Yeah, I guess you are right, sort of. I am more patient than you, but if I wasn't that excited about the show in the first place, I might only give it 2-3 episodes. Bionic Woman is an example of that. It's got one or two more episodes to show me that it's worth watching (the first one was mediocre at best). I wasn't that excited about it, but I gave it a chance because of the buzz.

In general, though, I pretty much only have time to watch shows that I was pretty excited about going in, so I would give those types of shows 5-6 episodes to show me that they are worth watching.

On the other hand, I kept watching Invasion and Jericho even though they weren't that great at first, and it paid off with some of the best TV I've ever seen in the 2nd half of the seasons. That's another reason I'm not quick to give up on shows, and a reason it seems ridiculous to me to give up after 1-2 episodes - much less 1/2 of an episode (but then again, I was excited about those shows going in)

Knight Rider....wth is NBC thinking. I dont think anyone is going to watch that show. If they are replacing a fall "sci-fi" show that pretty much has to mean journeyman, since they arent going to cancel heroes and Im not sure what other sci-fi shows they have. NBC usually does move around shows to other time slots before they cancel it (how many times was S60 moved, or Medium...) so maybe it would work on Tuesday or something.

And that includes on this messageboard. NBC is currently investing a lot in building their on-line communities related to their programming. Don't discount the possibility that someone isn't keeping an eye on this mb. Look at the biggest primetime mb's here, The Office, Heroes. Now we have an entire online game, (Dunder Mifflin Infinity), beginning and social networking, myNBC. I haven't figured out who's looking, and what exactly they're looking for, but I do believe they're looking.

Well that at least helps knowing they are paying attention to us on here. Thanx berrie, I do believe that if they move this though it would be gone. I want it on Monday, keep it there anywhere else is a bad thing. Different nights have different audiences. I'm working my way around to put the good word out on this show.

TVGuide that just came out lists Journeyman as most likely to be cancelled now that Nashville is already gone. They mention K-ville and one other show too, but say that because they are so hyped and Journeyman really isn't, its the more likely candidate for cancellation.