First you will notice that West is looking into Clair's window, not with an in-love look, but a rather devious one. Notice he is wearing a blue hoody unzipped with the hood down (you can see the hood when he flies away).

The next clip is Hiro's dad on the roof and who shows up? A guy in a blue hoody zipped up with the hood up, and their body size is about the same. He hits Hiro's dad off of the roof and they both are shown falling off, but then only one body is found on the ground. Did the other fly away?

Is this proof that West is the killer? Is west also somehow connected to Nathan since they both can fly? Did Nathan send West to watch Clair? Did Nathan put the picture outside of the apartment with his mom's picture on it on the his way in? Did he also put the picture into the newspaper that Ando was holding when he bumped into him?

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Please don't think I'm taking it out on you, but I had to comment as its not the first time I've seen it.

Do people come up with these theories after weeklong crack smoking binges? Seriously, this fits in with the Sylar transforms into a cockroach and is the 100 year-old son of Kensi and Peter's half brother in love with Claire camp. Does noone use any form of critical thinking when developing these ideas?

There, rant finished. Please continue.

I am sure you have seen it, since I have posted it around.

I don't usually mind rants nor opposing opinions, but all you did was attack the writer, not the info. It's not hard to be a *****, but you could have done better.

This is the "Speculation and Theories" forum isn't it? (looks around)

To argue the points of the post would do a grave injustice to logic and rational thinking. I'd see neither stand as anyway comprable to that tripe. There was once a point in time when designing a "theory" amounted to a little more than pulling a bad idea out of your bum and attempting to find evidence to fit it.

Three things would support this:

- the hoodie
- the fact he can fly
- the slighter frame that he and the killer both have

However I doubt he did it...and if he did I don't think he was put up to it by Nathan and I don't think he's relate to Nathan at all. Why would Nathan want to keep track of Clair when he clearly said I don't want to know where you are and basically told her to leave him alone. Plus, they make out, and I don't think Heroes would do incest. Also, everyone has been noticing how West's flying is different than Nathan's (it's slower, bouncier, whatever) and the attacker clearly jetted at Nakamura.

Good observations about similarities, but I don't think west is the doer.

It's also worth noting that Mr. Nakamura said the killer was "the last one he would have suspected." That might mean he was thinking it would be one of "The Nine" that he mentioned (of which five are known: Mr. Nakamura, Charles Deveaux, Mr. Linderman, and Mr. & Mrs. Petrelli, only the last of which is still alive). West is way too young to have possibly been involved in that generation, but Mr. Nakamura still recognized him immediately, and that, while he was the last one he would have suspected, the thought still must have crossed his mind.

West could be another unknown relative (maybe another illegitimate son) of Nathan's, seeing as they can both fly/levitate, but the powers one receives from the hero gene are seemingly completely random, so that might not the case. At any rate, however, he would have to have had some previous relation to the Nine for Mr. Nakamura to have recognized him even with his hood up, so I'm guessing he's related to one of the four unknown members of the Nine.

It's also worth noting that the killer was also familiar with the Godsend, which appeared in Molly's dreams despite her having absolutely no previous exposure to the symbol. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Mr. Nakamura originally suspected "the one that looks back," but instead was killed by his son, presumably West.

I'll give you the best reason why West couldn't have killed Hiro's father.


His hands. Take notice that they're just as big and hairy as Nathans is...


Nathan fits the bill perfectly



The first season of Heroes was filled with subtle clues ...

this season is no different.

I believe:

Nathan Killed Hiros Father

My case:

1
Nathan is present when Hiros father finds the picture with the 24 hour death sentence. He bumps into Ando on purpose... I believe he slipped Andos paper with the picture ( notice how it falls out so easily when Hiros father opens the paper up).

2
Nathan is present when his own mother finds the 24 hour death sentence.

3
Hiros father is killed by being tackled over the building. The assassin is around Nathans height and size... but whats most troubling is that the assassin must have flown away in order to avoid the same fate Hiros Father.



Ok, there is another kid that can fly... but we can safely rule him out unless he can change his height and size.


But where is the motive?


Nathan declares his mother EVIL. His anger towards the council has to be rough. I believe he may be trying to kill all those that were involved in the big BOMB plan. He may blame Peters (would be) death on them.

He may feel that its a necessary evil to kill all of those that would do such things....

The evidence does point to Nathan, but it seems so obvious that it looks like a red herring. The West kid, as hinted at by the GN, can possibly fly as fast as a jet (he talks about navigating their flight routes), so he may be able to go from coast to coast in a night (he even talks about staying up all night flying in the GN, I think). I actually though the killer had girly (or immature) hands and looked kind of short, but that's when viewing it 4x5" or whatever on my monitor, so it wasn't too clear. Hoodie+flying are good clues. Still not sure how Nakasulu would know him, but someone mentioned West flies with a fruity Peter Pan air about him, so who know, maybe he doesn't age (how many characters have been theorized to have that ability now?) and is one of the old group or his/her kids/grandkids.

(Hmmm, I edited this into the last post, but it's not showing up)
West's talk about aliens vs robots - he doesn't like people who don't think for themselves which could describe the group members getting knocked off now

I actually think heroes mixes both surprises and obvious choices..

even then, this could be only the surface of what Nathan is involved with...

then again.. that could describe most general people in the world...

i'll give you one thing

there is something creepy about the kid...

Even after reading the graphic novel, I'm not specifically sure West (with a 't' at the end people) is as wholesome as apple pie, but I'm pretty sure he's not the signs killer.

Pros that West is the Signs killer:

-The killer has a small build, as stated.
-The killer moves too spryly to be extremly old, but then again, he could be a very fit old dude/dudette
-The killer somehow managed to avoid being concrete pizza, as well as being seen by Ando, and West can fly.
-In the graphic novel, West stated rather ominously that he doesn't like to share the lime-light with anyone, in terms of super powers.

Con against West being the Signs killer:

-The killer has intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the company, i.e. knowing exactly what threat to send out to get noticed, and so is plausibly part of the original group, or a blood relation.
-The killer seems to haunt Nathan Petrelli's steps, or is someone masquerading as Nathan, or is possibly even Nathan.
-Nakamura knew his killer, and from his short death speech, we can assume he knew him for more than a few years. West is a teenager.
-West, unless some extremly screwy past is intimated (ala "The butler was really Mr. Body's sister's son!"), has absolutely no motive, and I can think of several others who have been introduced, either by appearance or name, who have a much better reason to pic off the members.

If I may pop in with a crazy speculation, I think that the killer will be someone whom we assumed was dead from the very beginning, possibly Nathan and Peter's father, or even the immortal Takezo Kensei. It would be amazing if, in the process of Hiro trying to train Kensei to be a warrior, he creates the evil that destroys his father in the future.

The hoodie seems like a big clue to me. It doesn't seem like a typical Nathan Petrelli outfit, and it obviously wasn't hiding his identity very well, unless that was a hint to Nakasulu's ability being related to vision. One thing that bugs me though is, if it turns out to be Nathan or West... why did he walk into the building, go all the way upstairs, and then run and push Nakasulu off. Why not just fly up and yank him off the side and drop him? Yeah, yeah, suspense, I know. But maybe the hoodie and (possible) flying and Nathan being where the photos were was just to throw us off and it's someone else completely...

D'oh. My post got screwed up again. Anyway, good points. Nothing to implicate anyone yet. Kensei being the big baddie is a good theory going around, except that means we'll have to hear much more of that awful accent...

If he flew up as you say, we'd have it nailed down to 3 possible people or one new one that we have not met yet. Hardly a mystery.

This is driving me crazy, this is the third time my post has gotten screwed up on this thread! Anyway, I was going to say that the killer might not have known Nakasulu would be outside standing on the balcony like a doofus. (If I knew someone was after me, I'd be someplace not two feet away from fallling 10 floors. But I'm not the mighty Nakasulu who can take on an armed gang singlehandedly (yet was vanquished surprisingly easily, but that's for another thread...)

Well, Kensei I think we can rule out since Hiro is familiar with his entire life story already. The incident with Charlie Andrews left Hiro convinced he couldn't change the past, but I think it will turn out that the present as he knows it was a result of his own intervention in the past. Hiro will more likely learn the origins, and with it, the significance, of the Godsend symbol, and when he returns to the present, that will likely shed some light on the symbol's use in the present. Kensei is a war hero, so the killer could be using the Godsend as a sort of vigilante symbol.

Regarding the Nine, we actually know of six. At the end, Mohinder called Matt to tell him the Organization had taken the bait, so presumably Bob is a member as well. His involvement seems to be purely financial, but he looks old enough to have a son in his late teens / early twenties, which right now fits the profile of the murderer.

UPDATED:

First you will notice that West is looking into Clair's window, not with an in-love look, but a rather devious one. Notice he is wearing a blue hoody unzipped with the hood down (you can see the hood when he flies away).

The next clip is Hiro's dad on the roof and who shows up? A guy in a blue hoody zipped up with the hood up, and their body build is about the same. He hits Hiro's dad off of the roof and they both are shown falling off, but then only one body is found on the ground. Did the other fly away?

Is this proof that West is the killer? Is west also somehow connected to Nathan since they both can fly? Did Nathan send West to watch Clair? Did Nathan put the picture outside of the apartment with his mom's picture on it on the his way in? Did he also put the picture into the newspaper that Ando was holding when he bumped into him?

Scene: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QR8hUZ0rY4I

If he is just a normal kid then what's he doing spying in Clair's window? How did he find out where she lived, did he follow her there too? That's stalking. And the devious look when he asked are you one of them? He saw her with her hand in the fire, and acted like it was no big deal. Doesn't it seem like he knows her already?

The fact is someone most likely flew away from the scene. If it was a healer like Clair, there would be blood from the hit, and it takes time to heal. So who can fly? 3 people: Nathan, West, and Peter. The build was too small to be Nathan, and it seems too obvious. Peter don't even know who is he is right now, and he's locked up in a crate. It's the best fit from the known characters.

For those who mention that West is in California and Kaito is in New York, we do not know how fast West can fly, nor how much time actually elapsed between scenes. And don't forget the time difference.

"I never expected it to be you" - Seems he's not the only one.

Is this West?: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/photos/season2/28323.shtml#photo

Take a closer look and decide for yourself: http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5668/recoloredfy8.gif

Likely that picture is of a stunt man or an extra and not the actual person who will eventually become the killer. NBC also did this in Battlestar Galactica when showing the final five Cylons several times, so as to not spoil their identity.
Even so, the killer in that picture is wearing black bootish type shoes, West is wearing white tennis shoes.

My theory, that I haven't seen elsewhere, is that the killer is in fact.......Hiro.
Wouldn't the last person you expect to murder you be your son? Hiro could have placed the photo into Ando's newspaper by stopping time, no problem. He could reach the top of the building without being detected. He could have teleported to safety after leaping from the building. Hiro could have been in the room with Angela Petrelli and then teleported away when he was intruded upon (though this is a bit inconsistent, he could have killed her with time stopped). And finally, after his exploits in the past, it is likely that Hiro knows the origins of the company and what they actually do. Future Hiro became a terrorist, is it so far fetched that Hiro might find something in the past that changes his view on reality?

Oddly enough, I thought the very same thing, but I doubt that they'd go this route. I could buy Hiro being stuck in the past long enough for some life-altering event to turn him evil, but then he can't live forever. The only possible scenario is Hiro turning evil on a dime, zapping back into the present, and going at it. That's a little crazy. But still...it could happen...

I think I might be the only one thinking the hooded man is Kensei...hahahaha.
Don't start shaking your head right away! Many of you may have heard that David Anders is playing two characters--one of them Kensei, and the other one, Kane, a villian.
For my backup support:
http://heroeswiki.com/Spoiler:Takezo_Kensei
It makes sense, I suppose, since Hiro can bring him into the future. And the whole murder of Kaito Nakamura thing? If both of them toppled off the Deveaux building, Kaito would end up dead, and Kensei would be left to regenerate and run away.
However, this is really quite weird that Kensei would end up bad, and I'm going off an unconfirmed spoiler, so...we'll just have to see next episode.

Hi, first time posting but I hope this makes some kind of sense.

If the killer jumped off with Nakamura Sr, there would have been another set of bloody outlines at the crime scene if they were regenerative (like Claire, Peter, Kensei - they still bleed when hitting the pavement as shown in the Homecoming episode). Therefore it seems as if the killer can fly or teleport away before they hit the pavement.

Claude said that Peter was "another one of them" - meaning empaths who absorb powers. So there were empaths before Peter's arrival, maybe one of the OG members of the OWI, or one of the ones he (Claude) was "hiding" from the OWI - someone who could mysteriously show up and start killing people 1 by 1, and no stopping him/her.

Also, the killer may not even be a man. There were I believe 4 women in the picture, ruling out Mrs. Petrelli and her slightly larger figure than the killer's description, why couldn't it have been any of the women?

So this is confusing enough, and this is lacking any evidence but if Kensei is the killer, then I'm assuming he is an empath as well and could absorb Hiro's time travel ability, meaning maybe he had absorbed the healing ability from someone else as well and did not know it until he was shot in the chest w/ arrows.

I've seen this line a couple of times. West's look doesn't seem devious or in-love to me. It seems like he is just observing her. Clearly, at this point in the season, he is intrigued by her. As we've now seen, he also has a bit of a mean streak, which makes his stalkerish behavior in-character.

I just don't see the deviousness, though.

Also, why does everyone hate him? Then again, I never understood why everyone hated Wesley Crusher, either.