scififreak718
Sep 26 2007, 10:35 PM
Okay, we know from the end of the episode that Det.Crews is trying to solve the his case that ended up getting him arrested.So here's a place where we can put the clues together and try to figure out what happened.So far all we know is that he was arrested and spent 12 years in prison and then they found evidence that exonerated him.
mixedberries_1
Sep 26 2007, 10:46 PM
Great thread topic. It'll be fun trying to put the pieces together.
scififreak718
Sep 26 2007, 10:49 PM
QUOTE (mixedberries @ Sep 26 2007, 11:46 PM)

Great thread topic. It'll be fun trying to put the pieces together.

Thanks!We don't know much about the case right now but from the previews of next weeks episode will probably get more information.
Guest123
Sep 29 2007, 09:55 AM
Officer Davis seems very interested in what Charlie is up to.
It's like she wants to get him off the force.
She also seems to be sort of strong-arming Charlie's partner to snitch on him.
This has to be a clue.
SuperHiros
Oct 3 2007, 09:54 PM
Hey i was just checking the case file and noticed something in one of the links, you click on the article and then then the link, its listing how the setup was done. Number 2: aliby is spelled wrong, its spelled alibi. That could be a name!
scififreak718
Oct 3 2007, 10:06 PM
well,we met the prosecuting lawyer in today's episode and i think the from the scenes that we saw he started out thinking that charlie was guilty and near the end of the trial he ended up getting a drinking problem.Also that the head lady(i forgot her name) is trying to get crews fired from his job andit's obvious she's afraid that he's going to retaliate.So maybe she was apart of the set up..or sh knew someone who was. Also, we found out that the girl of the murdered parents was in the house when it was stated in the trial that she wasn't home and her father was stealing money from their bar that they owned.There was something about a cut in the episode but i can't remember what it was about.Anything else?
fortyeightpark
Oct 18 2007, 01:07 PM
QUOTE (Guest123 @ Oct 18 2007, 12:08 PM)

Am I the only one who can't access the whole 'Conspiracy Wall' in the official 'Conspiracy Wall' page?
All I can see is the newest part, Rachel's picture & drawings.
And no, you're not the only one. The Conspiracy Wall is pretty abbreviated on the website and the items change from week to week and prior week's items like the newspaper clippings disappear - they recycle the web address. Me no likee too much.
There are screen captures available through a series of links from the
Damian Lewis fan site previously posted about in the
DAMIAN LEWIS, All things Damian Lewis thread. Several are very good captures of the actual Conspiracy Wall - tight shots.
vbarkley
Oct 18 2007, 05:55 PM
QUOTE (Artemisia @ Oct 18 2007, 05:28 PM)

3.) Key issue: the drawings:
They don't really look like drawings from a 9 year old...
The more one looks at them: could it be that there are pictures UNDERNEATH the dark black bold lines? meaning: someone (Ames?) scribbled over her initial drawings, to conceal the possible identity clues to the murderer? Possibly also to protect her?
Hey, that's a really good theory. I'm gonna have to take another look at those drawings.
Guest123
Oct 18 2007, 10:21 PM
QUOTE (bionicwomansucks @ Oct 18 2007, 06:02 PM)

And just to vent, can someone over at NBC please get off their lazy a$$ and do the ENTIRE conspiracy wall in flash instead of one little piece at a time? Come on this is just lame. Just put up what is visible on the show at least. With the 4000 commercials you show every episode I know you have the money.
And....they keep
advertising the 'Conspiracy Wall'.....
"Go to NBC.com and see the Conspiracy Wall".
I wonder if anyone on the show has been to the 'Wall' here on the site?
Since I love this show so much, I actually feel kind of embarrassed for them.
They should at least stop advertising it so much until they get it fixed.
fortyeightpark
Oct 19 2007, 08:12 AM
QUOTE (Tomrick @ Oct 18 2007, 10:23 PM)

You all have interesting theories, but revealing the Conspiracy Wall would shorten Life's premiere season to 5-6 weeks max. Over. Done. This is not a mini-series like Band Of Brothers. This is a complicated story and is meant to go on and on.
I also believe we've not yet been introduced to the many more players in the story Charlie is piecing together on the Wall. Be patient. Let the story and characters be fleshed out.
I don't think anyone has asked for the online Conspiracy Wall to be revealed in its entirety, or to skip ahead of the storyline. The complaint is that NBC is artificially constricting it to a _rotating_ 4 items each week, so it lacks continuity and makes it difficult or impossible for those who, for instance, might be new joiners to the viewing pool, to be fully caught up. The Conspiracy Wall is touted weekly by NBC and Mastercard during their Pod Busters commercial segments. Making the wall more robust and at the very least fully consistent with all of the items disclosed on the show _to date_ would be a benefit, and certainly not a detriment.
laxmom
Oct 22 2007, 01:33 AM
QUOTE (Artemisia @ Oct 19 2007, 12:36 AM)

a few tidbits:
3.) studying the picture of the murdered Tom Seybolt on the conspiracy wall:
http://www.nbc.com/Life/exclusives/conspiracy/index.shtml , I seem to notice that his right hand palm is open, but he has something, like a sheet of paper, clutched in his left hand. A clue to his murder? like a contract/confession/statement he didn't sign, or crumbled up after he signed it?
I thought the same thing about this picture! It definitely looks like something is in his hand. Also, does anyone else think it's strange that he is dressed in work attire, even down to his watch, but doesn't have any socks on????
I absolutely love this show and love everyones theories, but like someone else said, we need SO much more info! Unless we're going with the OJ theory...which is completely plausible!
fortyeightpark
Oct 22 2007, 07:25 AM
QUOTE (laxmom @ Oct 22 2007, 01:33 AM)

Also, does anyone else think it's strange that he is dressed in work attire, even down to his watch, but doesn't have any socks on????
I noticed the lack of socks. If he was redressed, he was cut afterwards to bloody his shirt. The pictures Rachel drew suggest he was stabbed in the chest several times, and I seem to remember the shirt was uncut.
Also, I noticed that the very bloody kitchen knife in evidence as the murder weapon was different than the very clean smaller knife (looked like a pocket knife) with the blue handle they have flashed to during the Pod Busters and on the Conspiracy Wall. The knife in Rachel's pictures resembles the kitchen knife. So what his that other knife? Is it the knife that cut Charlie's hands during the scuffle earlier that day?
fortyeightpark
Oct 23 2007, 11:56 AM
Some thoughts after looking at the stills of the drawings again.
1) Red eyes - Other folks have posted the eyes looked bloodshot. But the murders seem to have taken place at night if Rachel was at a sleepover and all. What if the red eyes aren't symbolic, but depictions of infrared - night vision?
2) The drawings seem to indicate more than one killer - frankly, one would think it would take more than one killer to keep someone from getting away to the neighbors out a door or window. Rick James, as I have taken to calling him, had black pants - like elaborately drawn black pants. The other pictures lack those black pants. They also suggest, well, ski masks.
Also, can anyone tell me if Rachel had a cleft chin? I can't find a good enough screen capture to tell if the bear covers her chin up completely or not.
happydude
Oct 24 2007, 03:56 PM
of the two photographs of the crime scene posted on the conspiracy wall, one is of the dead father and the other of the daughter's "unmade" bed. Look at the bloody footprints by the fathers body...that killing was downstairs. The killer then went upstairs and slayed the mother who was trying to protect the children. Then the killer went into the son's room and sliced him up...
but, wheres the blood in the daughter's room? There isn't a spot in the daughter's room? Did the killer take time to take off his boots? Probably not...so there must have been more than one killer...with the other being careful to step around any blood clearly marked on the white carpet.
Lastly, given that both parents were downstairs...it would seem like the "killer(s)" were known by the victims...prob would be good to see when they flash the picture of the mother and son victims and see if there are bloody footprints around those bodies as well...
we'll see what happens tonight:) great show!
glock
Oct 25 2007, 06:41 PM
...and now, thanks to a lead from Roman- a $15million bank heist that in which his partner appears to have been involved in some way.
Hmmmm...
greeneyedleo
Oct 25 2007, 08:19 PM
Well here is the "Conspiracy Wall" with all the evidence he has collected. It goes into the background of the case. Check it out!
http://www.nbc.com/Life/exclusives/conspiracy/index.shtmlTime to put on my thinking cap
greeneyedleo
Oct 25 2007, 10:43 PM
Ok. I could be wrong, correct me if I am.
But did they JUST update the conspiracy board (10/25/07) 8:45pm west coast time.
Because I was on it earlier and I didnt see the "18mil missing" report. It is now there. And its the history of the missing money! *off to read*
Or am I just behind on this site? LOL
Artemisia
Oct 26 2007, 12:38 AM
1.) Question about the timeline on the conspiracy wall:
http://www.nbc.com/Life/exclusives/conspiracy/index.shtmlUnder two of the newspaper articles it gives "February 4, 1994" as the date , in handwriting - while the written articles referenced above those dates are actually from 2/18/94 and 4/2/94... ( note the reversal of 2/4 and 4/2..).
Who is making up this board? are we supposed to notice this? Does it mean anything? Or is it just a real dumb mistake ( by the story board designers who are making up this board?)
also:
on the paper tag to go with the big kitchen knife, it gives 2/18/94 as the date - but the crime happened a week before. Is not all evidence tagged on the day of the crime? and Who is F. Clark, listed on the same line as Ames? (Yes, real interesting that now there is also a Jason Clark ..)
2.) The "18 Mill missing" - new article on conspiracy wall:
The obvious thought it that one (or more?) of the bank robbers was in cahoots with the LAPD...or LAPD knew this was going down - so they were right there! How convenient for any of the LAPD officers at the scene to pick up the $$$..while all the bank robbers got killed, execution style.
Strange that they were classified as "real pros" by the watchman, yet couldn't get a single bullet into any of the officers?
Or maybe one officer was shot ( and killed).. and got "traded out" for one of the bank robbers, in all hat confusion...so lots of people are participating in that cover up >> lotsa $$$ to go around to keep everyone quiet - and happy.. Was Dani's dad there?
3.) Show me the money:
How can 18 Mill come out of a safe ( one assumes..) AND disappear that fast, barely after the watchman hit the panic button...
Is it a really fact that the money left the bank?? Or was it still there all along and someone made it disappear later? "Most everyone quit" after that incident.. how convenient. No money was ever traced?? Hard to believe that someone, or quite a few people - is/are sitting on a big pile of $$$ and not spending ANY of it.. How come? Must mean that inside bank people were in on it too, and knew how to make those 18 Mill "disappear" from any records..
There goes a possible connection to Seybolt.... was he somehow in it?
4. Finally:
In Stark's deposition from 2/26/94 he states that he had been with the LAPD for "three years" - thus brand new on the force when the bank robbery took place ( 4/3/91). But not partnered with Crews at that time. Who with?
adentro
Oct 26 2007, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (happydude @ Oct 24 2007, 03:56 PM)

of the two photographs of the crime scene posted on the conspiracy wall, one is of the dead father and the other of the daughter's "unmade" bed. Look at the bloody footprints by the fathers body...that killing was downstairs. The killer then went upstairs and slayed the mother who was trying to protect the children. Then the killer went into the son's room and sliced him up...
but, wheres the blood in the daughter's room? There isn't a spot in the daughter's room? Did the killer take time to take off his boots? Probably not...so there must have been more than one killer...with the other being careful to step around any blood clearly marked on the white carpet.
Lastly, given that both parents were downstairs...it would seem like the "killer(s)" were known by the victims...prob would be good to see when they flash the picture of the mother and son victims and see if there are bloody footprints around those bodies as well...
we'll see what happens tonight:) great show!
I think the reason there are no footprints in the daughter's room is because if he came to the door and the bed isn't made but she's not in it. He didn't have time to look for her. He probably didn't get a chance to enter the room.
adentro
Oct 26 2007, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (fortyeightpark @ Oct 23 2007, 11:56 AM)

Some thoughts after looking at the stills of the drawings again.
1) Red eyes - Other folks have posted the eyes looked bloodshot. But the murders seem to have taken place at night if Rachel was at a sleepover and all. What if the red eyes aren't symbolic, but depictions of infrared - night vision?
2) The drawings seem to indicate more than one killer - frankly, one would think it would take more than one killer to keep someone from getting away to the neighbors out a door or window. Rick James, as I have taken to calling him, had black pants - like elaborately drawn black pants. The other pictures lack those black pants. They also suggest, well, ski masks.
Also, can anyone tell me if Rachel had a cleft chin? I can't find a good enough screen capture to tell if the bear covers her chin up completely or not.
Sometimes games such as these require parameters. It's easy to overthink the obvious but I have to say the more I look at the pictures from Rachel. The more I agree that there were multiple killers. One balding, goutee. One latino or black from the coloration given to the face in the alternate picture. More hair, also with a goutee.
patnatasha1
Oct 26 2007, 03:39 PM
I think his partner davis knows more than he is telling.
matlock242
Oct 26 2007, 03:44 PM
QUOTE (Artemisia @ Oct 26 2007, 12:38 AM)

1.) Question about the timeline on the conspiracy wall:
http://www.nbc.com/Life/exclusives/conspiracy/index.shtmlUnder two of the newspaper articles it gives "February 4, 1994" as the date , in handwriting - while the written articles referenced above those dates are actually from 2/18/94 and 4/2/94... ( note the reversal of 2/4 and 4/2..).
Who is making up this board? are we supposed to notice this? Does it mean anything? Or is it just a real dumb mistake ( by the story board designers who are making up this board?)
also:
on the paper tag to go with the big kitchen knife, it gives 2/18/94 as the date - but the crime happened a week before. Is not all evidence tagged on the day of the crime? and Who is F. Clark, listed on the same line as Ames? (Yes, real interesting that now there is also a Jason Clark ..)
2.) The "18 Mill missing" - new article on conspiracy wall:
The obvious thought it that one (or more?) of the bank robbers was in cahoots with the LAPD...or LAPD knew this was going down - so they were right there! How convenient for any of the LAPD officers at the scene to pick up the $$$..while all the bank robbers got killed, execution style.
Strange that they were classified as "real pros" by the watchman, yet couldn't get a single bullet into any of the officers?
Or maybe one officer was shot ( and killed).. and got "traded out" for one of the bank robbers, in all hat confusion...so lots of people are participating in that cover up >> lotsa $$$ to go around to keep everyone quiet - and happy.. Was Dani's dad there?
3.) Show me the money:
How can 18 Mill come out of a safe ( one assumes..) AND disappear that fast, barely after the watchman hit the panic button...
Is it a really fact that the money left the bank?? Or was it still there all along and someone made it disappear later? "Most everyone quit" after that incident.. how convenient. No money was ever traced?? Hard to believe that someone, or quite a few people - is/are sitting on a big pile of $$$ and not spending ANY of it.. How come? Must mean that inside bank people were in on it too, and knew how to make those 18 Mill "disappear" from any records..
There goes a possible connection to Seybolt.... was he somehow in it?
4. Finally:
In Stark's deposition from 2/26/94 he states that he had been with the LAPD for "three years" - thus brand new on the force when the bank robbery took place ( 4/3/91). But not partnered with Crews at that time. Who with?
matlock242
Oct 26 2007, 03:48 PM
I noticed the Jason Clark and F. Clark thing to.
also did anyone notice that the staff reporter was the same on all the newspaper clips?
PreWrappedBacon
Oct 26 2007, 08:13 PM
The chair fallen away from him but back of the chair wrong angle if he was in it. The blood to the left of the body why is it there? He bled out from the jugular vein on the left side of his neck.
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I am thinking that if Seybolt sr would have seen the killer he would want to get the heck out of dodge, and maybe he knocked over the chair in his attempt to get away. Perhaps he was trying to stall for time and hope his wife could save David. He may have even used the chair to defend himself.
sirona7
Oct 27 2007, 05:05 PM
matlock242 asked
QUOTE
also did anyone notice that the staff reporter was the same on all the newspaper clips?
Can't wait for Charlie to meet Nicole Zaffos of the LA Herald! Beginning with a staff writer byline in 1994, she's covered the stories, the latest of which is April 3, 2006, on the anniversary of the 18 Million dollar heist, as Senior Editor. The newspaper headline, "Former LA Police Office Crews exonerated on all charges," from the Documentary page is too small to read for details but I hope it was her byline too.
Scientistgirl
Oct 27 2007, 10:48 PM
I think that Lt. Davis is hiding something. Check out the conspiracy wall and the picture that the little girl drew. It has a mustach and so does Crews old partner Bobby Stark...
scififreak718
Oct 29 2007, 10:57 PM
finally i have my computer back!Only took two weeks to get it working again. Anyway, from the previews that i saw about next weeks episode it looks like his ex-parter definately had something to do with his setup. not to mention the fact that the prosecuting lawyer purged himself in the courtroom when he told them that the girl wasn't home and she was.
GuitarCop
Oct 30 2007, 09:19 AM
I would just like to add a couple notes.. Charlie being new to the force may not have wanted anyone to know he was injured on the job because he was so dedicated and that would mean time off for medical reasons..
In regards to the photo of Seybolt. It appears to me that he was standing and possibly going for the phone that is now on the floor "if that is a phone", the lamp is plugged in to the wall just below the shelf where the plant is also knocked over and would suggest it was in that shelf area unless the table was moved and held the phone and the lamp. the blood splatter indicates that he slumped into that area before falling against the wall where it appears that he bled out.
I was thinking the paper could have been charlies phone number and he was trying to call him for help but if they were friends he would know it off hand.. but still appears that he may have been going for the phone before or after he was stabbed..
Just my two cents on this photo.. I love this Show..!!
latergator
Oct 30 2007, 02:02 PM
Perhaps the reason that Crews didn't mention his injuries was because they happend with his own knife,or because he was in a knife fight, which was pointed out to be a no-no as a police person. He was pretty good at using it for someone who had been in prison where there aren't any knives, so he must have known how to use one before he went to prison.
vbarkley
Oct 31 2007, 02:23 AM
I think you mean perjured.
mzposey
Nov 1 2007, 06:57 PM
I think that Charlie was framed by the whole department. They all know something and his old partner is full of it.
PreWrappedBacon
Nov 1 2007, 07:47 PM
Rachel hiding in the hamper makes sense. Either she had to go out of the bed quickly (the sheets look like she threw them off) to be taken to safety or innovative Rachel took refuge in a hamper. Reese's dad must be involved when the plot thickens more but I doubt he is in on the whole mafia deal.
Otherwise, the rest is bologna. The whole series isn't about sex, and most cops are responsible people who don't get corrupted or manipulated easily unless there is an ulterior motive like blackmail. Lies and deception are part of some marriages, sadly enough, and bureaucrats are no stranger to them, too. This is a homicide show. Homicides happen due to a multitude of reasons or motives to people. One episode won't cause massive rebounds. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but most cities don't have resident mafia.
On another note... Reese's dad or another high-up LAPD character may have told the guard to beat up Crews. Guards don't up n' punch the stuffing out of people randomly.
bibliomaniac
Nov 2 2007, 12:51 AM
*sigh* How frustrating they make it.
I'm sure we'll all find out what really happened near the end of the show and be all "OHHHH, so THAT'S what happened."
And feel really dumb.
Either that, or as time goes on and the number of Life episodes increases, we'll all get bored because we figured out what happened.
Incidentally, on the second Seybolt drawing, do you see those thin gray lines? That's what happens when you draw over pencil with marker (or when you drag a utensil through paint.) Plus, underneath the brown skin, you can see faint shading. That...looks to me like white skin. Pasty white skin.
WAIT A MINUTE.
I might just be imagining things, but is it just me or are there WORDS in pencil on his hair (second drawing), the left side?
hironue
Nov 2 2007, 04:23 AM
I was looking at the drawings again and I don't think those are words under the killer's hair/shading what not.
what it looks like to me is the way a child would draw someone with curly long hair. lots of consummate v and circular lines. and it goes down to the chin.
I examined the other picture as well and noticed that they don't match at all in looks.
the drawing with the left profile has extremely dark marker markings all over the border of the face and single lines for the mustache/goatee. The dawing of the right profile has the same thing only notice that the lines are much lighter towards the hair and mustache. I think the same marker was used to change all the drawings and thus the drawings were doctored all by the same one person. probably ames since the files were in his abode. which means he knows the real killers identity...or look at least.
I also believe that there are at least two killers, one male, one female.
looking at the left profile you see that long curly undertone...I also noticed that the sketches underneath the marker are much more calming and rounded than that of the harsh scribbles in ink. I believe this one is our female.
the right profile pic has short jagged almost bed-head looking style to it. so basically the short haired messy type guy. My final observation: the mustaches are added to create the biggest change in their true identities...their age!
these were youths!
maybe not so young as to be in their teens but definitely 20 to 30 years in age.
they got everyone looking for old men when they should be looking now for a middle aged couple
johnmark
Nov 2 2007, 12:41 PM
I've read through quite a number of the responses, but not all, so I hope I'm not being redundant...
but, the murder weapon was a French Chef's knife, not the weapon Charlie carried. When Stark talks about the cut to Charlie's hand in the documentary, he mentions his knife and we see the lock blade, not the murder weapon.
Bugs15
Nov 2 2007, 11:19 PM
Has anyone really looked at Rachel's drawings? The perp has a foo manchu and lots of dark hair. Charlie's ex-partner has a moustache and a receding dark hairline. Also, if he worked the barracades, isn't that even more convenient to let someone carrying 15 mil walk by. Someone from swat has to be in on it. Someone scheduled the training near the bank. That eliminates black and white units. Whose to say the robbers weren't double crossed. What did the Charlie's late partner do before he ran the the bar, and how does a twenty-two year old Rookie have enough jack to invest in a bar?
vbarkley
Nov 4 2007, 12:43 AM
Ok, our theories thread is getting kinda big, so let's make this thread about the Conspiracy Wall.
PreWrappedBacon
Nov 4 2007, 09:06 PM
QUOTE (conquest @ Nov 4 2007, 01:13 AM)

The murderers never saw Rachel so where was she hiding? Did she run to a neighbors house after the murders? If Ames is a pawn then did he find Rachel and hide her from those who would stand to remain secure if she died?
Before I thought she was hiding in the hamper like MT thought. But I can't imagine fitting a 9 year old girl in that small hamper. It seems like a doll storage area, judging by the rest of her room and the abundance of dolls. She may have hid under the bed, because the bottom sheets hang over to hide anyone under there. Looking at the sheets, we know she wasn't leaving through the window. She was either snatched by a protective character we may or may not know about yet, hid under the bed, or hid somewhere else. We know she saw the murderer, we know she is alive. We just need to see the whole room or get a better look at the house. We also know that the murderer didn't know the Seybolts very well because he/she would have searched the house after finding the unkempt bedsheets so as to have no witnesses to the homicide. If the unseen cameramen can interview the neighbors that would be very helpful.
The guard could have been knocked off which is why he has disappeared. Or he could have pulled a Bourne and faded from the globe with Mrs. Seybolt's 40k or a portion of the 18mil.
Aenanna
Nov 6 2007, 01:06 PM
Wow that is really good, I didn't catch all the duplicate numbers, Great Job!!
The LT. has her pic up in her uniform but it doesn't say what her maiden name was and you can't see her badge number and it is interesting that a point was made on the stake out that she comments about her being married...she does deny being there at the robbery but she also comments on how rumors get spread and she knows a lot about that day for someone that wasn't there so perhaps she just doesn't want people to know if she was there....
As for the badge no. on the knife, I was also looking for a badge number for Clark, but wasn't sure that was a badge no. since one of the top boxes looked to be where the badge no. was to go and the no. next to their names looked awfully low so I was thinking that if it was anyone's number it was probably Ame's number since he retired right after the killings and the number on the tag is a low badge number and none of the numbers on the robbery report are that low, which is also interesting because it means that no one on the scene of the robbery was very high up, or perhaps very old if you take Ame's badge number and associate it with age....Where were all the assistant Chief's? It was a major robbery and the worst shootout in the dept. history and no deputy chief's were there? or are they just not important enough to be in charge?
In the drawing made by Rachel, the killer doesn't have on socks and has dark hair. In the crime scene photo of Rachel's dead father he does not wear socks and has dark hair. Is it possible that Seybolt was so enraged over something he killed his family and then himself, but either could not kill his little daughter or she was well hidden? My apologies if the theory doesn't seem plausible. I was not sure exactly how the father died (gun or knife)?
I'm so sorry the show comes on at 10pm-11pm EST (a little late for those of us who have to be at work by 7:00am) and then airs on Monday at 12:00am. These times are late. It's a shame they can't put that silly Bionic Woman show in the late slot and move Life into the earlier time. NBC has a real winner in this show if they'd give it more publicity and a good time slot.
Aenanna
Nov 6 2007, 01:59 PM
Just something that I have found interesting and odd about the wall.....both the opening statement article and the arrest article have the date of February 4, 1994 written underneath it on the wall for some reason; the date of the arrest is february 18th with the article saying that the slayings were a week before and the evidence tag for the knife is dated 2/17/94 and 2/18/94 and i'm not sure if one date is the day of the killings and the other is the day the evidence was logged in....i can't read the box categories but even so i'm not sure what the february 4th date means if the attacks were on the 17th and why if the opening statements were on april 4th, why is the date under the article february 4th and then why is the date under the arrest article also february 4th if the article is dated february 18th as well and then if the killings were february 4th why did it take almost 2 weeks to log the knife into evidence? Then if you go to Starks Deposition, which was done on the 26th, he mentions that a lot of people get crazy around valentine's day, so the murders were around valentines day so where does the february 4th date come in? Also the person who cut Charlie before the murders was Jason Clark - an F. Clark logs in the murder weapon and a T. Clark was at the bank robbery - and during the deposition, Stark is asked about Charlie's spending habits and if he spends outside his means as a rookie cop....all this is very interesting when looked at together.....
What happened on February 4, 1994???? that Charlie wrote that date down under the articles about his arrest and the opening statement of his trial if the murders were on February 17th and the opening statement on April 4?
Artemisia
Nov 6 2007, 09:38 PM
QUOTE (Aenanna @ Nov 6 2007, 01:59 PM)

Just something that I have found interesting and odd about the wall.....both the opening statement article and the arrest article have the date of February 4, 1994 written underneath it on the wall for some reason; the date of the arrest is february 18th with the article saying that the slayings were a week before and the evidence tag for the knife is dated 2/17/94 and 2/18/94 and i'm not sure if one date is the day of the killings and the other is the day the evidence was logged in....i can't read the box categories but even so i'm not sure what the february 4th date means if the attacks were on the 17th and why if the opening statements were on april 4th, why is the date under the article february 4th and then why is the date under the arrest article also february 4th if the article is dated february 18th as well and then if the killings were february 4th why did it take almost 2 weeks to log the knife into evidence? Then if you go to Starks Deposition, which was done on the 26th, he mentions that a lot of people get crazy around valentine's day, so the murders were around valentines day so where does the february 4th date come in? Also the person who cut Charlie before the murders was Jason Clark - an F. Clark logs in the murder weapon and a T. Clark was at the bank robbery - and during the deposition, Stark is asked about Charlie's spending habits and if he spends outside his means as a rookie cop....all this is very interesting when looked at together.....
What happened on February 4, 1994???? that Charlie wrote that date down under the articles about his arrest and the opening statement of his trial if the murders were on February 17th and the opening statement on April 4?
I was thinking along those same lines: post 80, from 10/26, on page 4...
this needs more exploring, definitely...
Aenanna
Nov 7 2007, 12:15 AM
QUOTE (Artemisia @ Nov 6 2007, 09:38 PM)

I was thinking along those same lines: post 80, from 10/26, on page 4...
this needs more exploring, definitely...
Great minds think alike....I just re-read that post and wish we had something to go on about what might have occurred on February 4th....
Artemisia
Nov 7 2007, 11:22 AM
QUOTE (JPH @ Nov 6 2007, 01:23 PM)

In the drawing made by Rachel, the killer doesn't have on socks and has dark hair.
Where is that?? I only see two drawings on the conspiracy board= just faces..
vbarkley
Nov 8 2007, 02:07 AM
Here is Charlie's bio, from the Life home page:
QUOTE
Charlie Crews served twelve years of a life sentence for a triple homicide he did not commit. During that time, Charlie lost everything he had - his wife, his friends, and his fellow cops.
Charlie Crews was a cop in prison. It would have been easier if they had sentenced him to death. Everyone wanted a piece of him, guards as well as inmates. Charlie was in the prison hospital more than he was out. In order to ensure his safety, it was decided that Charlie would serve the remainder of his sentence, the remainder of his life, in twenty-three hour a day lockdown. Twenty-three hours a day in a six by eight foot cell. Charlie lost his mind. He talked to the walls, to himself, to his wife who couldn't hear him. And always, he heard the voice in his head saying, "I didn't do it."
After two years in that locked box, though, guilt began to creep into Charlie. He began to wonder, "Did I do it?" If he was in this box being punished, he must have done something. Then during his one hour a day all alone in the isolated prison yard, he discovered a book lying on the ground - The Way of Zen. When he finally decided to pick it up, Charlie read the whole book in one sitting. He read it again the next day. Sometimes he read only one page a day, sometimes only one word. That book gave him himself back. He was here, in this cell. That was all he had but it was all he had. This was his life. It was then that Charlie requested a spot back in general population. If this was his life, he would live it in the presence of other human beings.
When Constance Griffiths came to see Charlie with the proposition of re-opening his case, of giving Charlie hope, Charlie told her there was no outside world to which he could return. There was only this place, and he was here, now. Please leave him alone. But Constance wouldn't do that. And finally Charlie consented to let her help him.
The first tests were negative for Charlie's DNA. The path to exoneration looked clear. Along with his Exoneration Plea, Constance had filed suit against the Los Angeles Police Department and the City of Los Angeles. They were both more than happy to pay cash in order to get the exoneration put behind them. But Charlie wanted more than cash; Charlie wanted his badge and gun back. He would have been a detective by now, so Constance got that for him as well.
Freedom nearly blinded Charlie Crews. It was as if he had to learn everything again. Constance helped him shop for a house, and he bought the first one he saw, big and new and empty. He also bought a car, a Bentley. He went to the doctor, the dentist, the beach, and, like a crutch he needed in order to walk, Constance was always by his side.
After the first month of freedom, Charlie found Ted Earley, whom he had taken under his wing in prison, alone and broke in a cheap motel. Charlie took Ted home with him and gave him a room above his garage. Although Ted can no longer handle money in publicly held companies, he can handle Charlie's settlement money, which he does. Maybe it's not a good idea to let a convicted felon handle your settlement money. But maybe it's not such a good idea to get attached to that money in the first place.
When Charlie returns to the force, he brings his prison knowledge with him. He now knows the law from both sides, as cop and con. He also understands that his version of Zen applies to being a cop. Charlie believes everything is connected - victims, bystanders, witnesses, even his new partner, Dani Reese, who has a wall at which Charlie insists on picking away, not only out of curiosity, but also because it's fun. Regardless, she is his partner, and Charlie will back her up one hundred percent.
But the badge and the newfound wealth can't change what Charlie has been through. His world is a different one than the rest of us see, because his world lacks social pretense. And although there is darkness in Charlie's story, darkness in Charlie's job, Charlie will never stop trying to find the light.
Eubie_Trippen
Nov 8 2007, 04:35 PM
Have you guys looked at the police report, someone name is missing (Reese,Jack)
and Rafael Hernandez states he was hit on the forehead, the news paper said from behind hmm.
Redleg7
Nov 8 2007, 09:41 PM
I noticed while watching a replay of last night's episode that there are a few other persons of interest on the report that Charlie uncovered that are left out of the report that is on the conspiracy wall:
1) Ms. Rixon who was inside the Bank of Los Angeles and reporting the robbery in progress
2) SWAT LEADER, JACK REESE (whom we all know)
3) Who was near Jack Reese and Radioed for help while PO III Brown took position of cover and
returned fire from behind his driver door
4) a plainclothes officer who is not identified.
5) Captain M. Klekner, Area Commanding Officer, Metro Division who recieved the memo written by #6
6) Sergeant P. Hurst who details the summary of events in the memo to #5.
7) Ms Martin who appears to be reporting the robbery in progress
loganr30
Nov 14 2007, 11:01 AM
QUOTE (Scientistgirl @ Oct 27 2007, 10:48 PM)

I think that Lt. Davis is hiding something. Check out the conspiracy wall and the picture that the little girl drew. It has a mustach and so does Crews old partner Bobby Stark...
it also looks like the guy has longer hair, just looking at the bank shotout report and in the det.list
there is a det.with the first inital of K like the LT. and a women would change her last to that of her husband , maybe that is her,and is it me or does little rachel look like his new partner, age is close.
babyfaith
Nov 14 2007, 11:12 AM
QUOTE (loganr30 @ Nov 14 2007, 11:01 AM)

it also looks like the guy has longer hair, just looking at the bank shotout report and in the det.list
there is a det.with the first inital of K like the LT. and a women would change her last to that of her husband , maybe that is her,and is it me or does little rachel look like his new partner, age is close.
This is what I thought, but someone in another thread said the dates didn't match up for it to be her. Something about 1991 and 1993, I think. And Rachel was 9 and Dani was 12, unless Dani is lying about her age. And Jack Reese was her father, we know now. But that doesn't mean that he didn't adopt Rachel and change her name to Dani. IDK. But I love this show.
chrisnh
Nov 15 2007, 02:49 PM
I re-read the newspaper story that described the bank robbery. In it, we're told that 'five robbers died.' Of course, we're free to speculate: How do we KNOW they died? Were there five funerals? Were they even publicly identified? The reason I ask is that it appears that the Police and the 'robbers' were in collusion. For well over 1,000 rounds to be fired and not one policeman gets hit would suggest that there were no bullets at all...just five people who fell, um, 'dead.'
If I'm the police and I want to score a big heist without getting nabbed for it, I find five guys who are willing to take a million dollars each to 'play dead' in exchange for going away and keeping quiet. This theory falls apart, obviously, if there were really five robbers who were shot dead instead of just 'playing dead.'
I'm sure this line of reasoning has been investigated to death, but it sounds semi-plausible to me.
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