I like the show, but the inaccuracies (car models, company logos on payphones, etc) seem to be incorrect in some shots, and time-period accurate in others.
They even reference the look of a car to try and gauge what time frame they might be in (an older minivan with wood panel doors), meanwhile a newer, late model car is clearly visible a few moments later.
And what is supposed to be 1994 or 1995 with an AT&T phone booth sporting the brand new logo with lowercase font.

Has anyone else noticed these things, and if so, do they bother you as much as they bother me?

Aside from these glitches, I am liking the show so far.

LOL, my husband keeps spotting that stuff too! I'm choosing to overlook it all - I really like this show!

In the first episode, when Dan knocks the fellow out of the way of the streetcar in 1987, my first thought was "they didnt have those back then." In the eighties, SF Muni only ran the crappy red-and-white streetcars. They didn't re-introduce the "classic" style cars until a bit after the '89 earthquake.

But I'm willing to overlook the minor inconsistencies, for the sake of the story. I liked him swiping the phone charger from the past to recharge the phone with in the present.

A time-travel show like this, has got to be a nightmare for the Props Department.
They are getting a lot of stuff right.
So...I will give them a pass on the few little details that are a little bit off.
*shrugs*
It's a TV show afterall....not a big-budget movie.

For those of you have read the "Nitpicker's Guide" to Star Trek, you know what this thread is about. For those who haven't, this is the place to point out all the little mistakes that are in the show. Sci-fi & time travel shows are ripe for this kind of thing. The tight production schedules means that all kinds of unintentional details are missed. With all of the time travel, there are bound to be plenty of errors, like certain car models on the road years before they were introduced, etc.


I don't have a lot to start with, but someone else mentioned elsewhere on the boards that in the pilot, during one time-travel-back sequence, Dan's IPhone morphs to a different model.

There was one glaring mistake in epsiode 2.

While Dan is talking about his disappearance from the plane, he mentions that he vanished from a "747". We know they were flying from San Francisco to Portland. The problem is that no airline today uses a 747 on that route! 747's are big planes, used on long-haul, international routes. A quick check on Orbitz.com reveals that the route is served today by 737's, A319's A320's & Canadier 700's (a smaller, regional jet).

In any case, when Dan left for the restroom, the plane was clearly shown as single aisle. 747's are twin aisle aircrafts.

Here are two:

In the first show, he returns to SF in '99. His iPhone didn't work and it should have. Pacific Bell Wireless' network would have supported the GSM signalling on the quad-band iPhone.

Secondly, in this past week's episode: no SF cop would have run after someone who passed a counterfeit $20 bill to a cabbie!

I dunno.
It would make sense that catching a counterfeiter would be an important collar for a cop.

Actually....I was hoping that the writers would use today's money in the storyline somehow.
Our new coins and paper bills are so different today than they were a few years back.

I hope that Jack remembers that $20 bill.
He probably didn't get to keep it though.
But it would be a way for Dan to convince his brother that he really is going back in time.

Did anyone notice where Dan went/ or goes during his trips to the past? It's killing me that at the beginning, his wife tells him he was gone for two days... then near the end of the show... I think the second episode, he's in the past and he uses a payphone to call his brother... (the brother's on his cell) and he say's it can't be him because he see's him across the street (in the present) ????? how can that be??? did the writers mess that up, because going to the past, sure he will see himself... but FROM the future, he shouldn't be there... well at least that's what they have made it seem like, so they need to make up their minds... it's confusing enough !!!

Doesn't he use the payphone to call his brother in the past to give him a warning, trying to play it off like he is his own past self, but P_brother knows that its not really P_dan because he's looking at P_dan?

One problem is the complexity of tampering with a past event. So far, the changes Dan has made have been very linear and trackable. He clearly sees the benefit of his alterations.

The universe is much more complex. Changing one person's life may cause some good that is not readily apparent. That character may affect a stranger who will never be seen again. Changing one thought could change a person's though process for the rest of his life. For example, if you lived the same day over again - do you think you could conceive the same child? With billions of sperm cells what are the chances of duplicating the same result? It's entirely possible that Dan would never find out the good (or bad) that comes from his actions. Also, when he returns he could end up in a different life with a different job, a different child, or people in his life could end up dead. He could return to a reality in which he is dead!

However, there seems to be a reason and a purpose to his travels. So he could be on a tightly controlled mission from God - he's a regular Blues brother. At least that handles some of the randomness and chaos. I'm sure the writers will deal will many of the things I've mentioned in future episodes. It's hard to make a simple time travel show, isn't it?

Actually, "present day Dan", while in the past, calls "past brother Jack" (pretending to be the only Dan Jack knows of which is the one in his time) to try and get a phone number or address of the woman and her son he is tracking. "Past Jack" asks a little while into the converation who he is really taking to because he sees "past Dan" across the street where they are going to meet for lunch to celebrate "past Dan's" engagement.

"Past Dan" being engaged to "Past Livia" and "Past Jack" dating "Past Katie" who becomes "present day Dan's" wife after Livia Dies.

Yet we now know Livia did not really die, and that she is part of the Journeying. She tells us this when she informs Dan thet she "Left before the place crash" and because she gives him tips on Journeying.

Why are Dan and Livia Journeying is not yet known.

Maybe Dan said "747" for effect and in reality, really had no idea what make/model plane he was on. The show does make some mistakes but let's accept the fact that the characters can also make some mistakes on their own as they are not as all knowing as the audience is.

I think your above post has more to do with showing off your knowledge of wireless networks than it does with tv show flubs.

Obviously, Dan's iPhone had a SIM card that had not yet been activated in '99 as it was first activated in 2007. Also, there could be a whole slew of reasons why some futuristic technology is not compatible with it's future network before it's time.




Really? Not one? I don't know, people do strange things. A few days ago, some deputy sheriff killed 6 teenagers in a murderous rampage. He wasn't supposed to but he did. Lots of people do things that others wouldn't.

I'm sure San Francisco has more than a handful of overzealous police officers. I wouldn't be shocked if a SFPD officer was in pursuit of somebody for something someone did much less worse than counterfeiting, which is a federal crime. Perhaps Jack was really green at his job and wanted a nice fat collar like arresting someone for a federal crime. There can be a whole multitude of reasons. There are many unbelievable aspects to this show but that wasn't one of them.

At the end of "Year of the Rabbit", Dan plants the gun on William. Sure this is the gun that William used earlier, but it also a gun that Dan had carrying around with him. His prints will be on it!

After all of the L & O episodes I have seen, I would imgaine that the SFPD will be looking at all of the prints on that gun. At the very least, it would be suspicious to find unidentified prints on the gun.

well the evil lawyers just need HIS prints on the gun to make the case of self defense.
other wouldnt matter until that other person (dan) gets in trouble and caught so his print would be searched and used to bring him down. sooooooooo if the show wants to be really cool Dan would get arrested on the present then when he gets his prints runned through the system and that gun will pop up and we will get a cool episode.

I think Dan is smart enough to wipe down the gun before planting it on the dead guy.

also, with next weeks epi, katie will get questioned from the police about the night of her gala. something happened there....could it be her husband, coming out of nowhere, with blood on him and carrying a gun and getting into a cab? i wonder if that is why the police will be questioning her.

i am a huge fan of l&w: svu, and without a trace. i get so annoyed when i see the cop/fbi characters touching crime scenes without gloves. with dan and the gun....i would think he would show up wiping it down. who knows?

if his prints were on it...the cops would have already caught him. that murder happened in 1998. dans year is 2007. plenty of time for dna to come thru and his prints to be found to that gun. so, since it hasn't happened...i am thinking the gun was clean.

This isn't an inaccuracy, just a little nitpick. Every time Dan use the Finder + Spyder search engine to search for someone, it always returns a nice big perfect image of that person with a concise little synopsis of what happened to him/her. I just think it's funny.

Yeah I agree, I just overlook the other small details. I did like how he did with the old charger though. Hhahah!

My thoughts exactly. Which is why Dan brings along his old analog phone (looks like some kind of Motorola) now - it would have been activated back in whatever year he's in, so it works.

Anyway.. The one thing I keep noticing is newer cars when he's supposedly traveling back in time. I think in one clip I saw a Toyota Tundra when it was supposed to be the 80's. As someone else mentioned though, they're definitely getting a lot of things right; it's hard to get everything right with this kind of show. So far I'm loving it though!

In "The Legend of Dylan McCleen" at 24 minutes in there is a shot of "Ronnie's Automotive Service" which is an old gas station with lots of older cars going through. I thought the shot was nice so paused it to look at the detail and noticed right above the word "Ronnie's" is a sign for Jack int he Box "Sirloin Rules" which is a current day marketing campaign.

Things like that do not spoil it for me, it's like easter egg hunting. ;-)

Great find!

In "Keepers," Dan and Michael break into Steven's apartment. Yet when Michale and Steven leave, Michael opens the door as if it had never been broken. Unless it was a different door to the apartment, but it had a peephole.

Anyone think that the part in "Keepers" where Livia talks about the date on the car registration and Dan pointing out the cellphone is a little jab at everyone here pointing out inaccuracies?

I found it funny even if the episode was written long before this thread was started.

From Keepers, Episode 6.

In Dan's first time travel, where he prevents the rocket explosion, there appear to be several out of period cars. We assume from the calendar that he is in October 1986. When he chases the boy around the corner, the camera swings around to show the street, and we several parked cars and then some more cars on the street as they run back toward the body shop. This all happens around 1:45 in.

Parked along the street, there is a GM Van with flush mounted headlamps, and a four door Toyota SUV with flush headlamps. GM was not selling vans with flush headlamps at the time. Toyota's only 4 door SUV at the time was the Land Cruiser, but it did not have flush headlamps at the time.

The rest of the possible out of period cars are very fuzzy and hard to view clearly online. It would take a DVD or DVR recording to fully analyze the remaining vehicles. The four that stand our are a light grey sedan that might be a mid-00's Acura; a beige SUV or Minivan to the left of the possible Acura, possibly a Buick SUV or Nissa/Toyota Minvan; further down the block the rear of a modern white Mercedes is seen braking; also seen braking is a possible mid-00's brown Grand Marquis/Crown Victoria.

The scene is well done overall. Most of the clearly viewed vehicles are in period, such as the 86-89 Honda Accord (seen twice; once parked, and then, oddly stopped in the middle of a right turn), the Volvo 240 Wagon, the old Ford Maverick, the yellow VW Rabbit convertible and a few others.

"Blowback" was a great episode in a brilliant series to date. Keep up the GREAT work team Journeyman!

To NBC: stand by a great show and keep it going.

To the writers: my one quibble - staph is NOT a virus!! It's a bacterium which is why the doctors would have used antibiotics in the first place. While the doctor in the 2007 ER would have indeed been appalled by the use of ampicillin, she NEVER would have referred to staph as a virus. Boo-hoo, but hey it's one little gaffe in an otherwise smartly written show. Get your editors to pay closer attention...when the strike is over...

He he... I wanted to post on the same thing. Also antibiotics don't treat viruses, they only treat bacterial infections. So the doctor saying that "ampicillin would never be effective for today's viruses" was a funny error. I'll of course forgive them because I absolutely love the show!

I am watching the 3rd episode. Dan makes several phone calls from a pay phone trying to alert the public about an earthquake. If you pay close attention (pardon the pun) to the pay phone... the switch the receiver lays down on is in the down position the whole time. Thus making the phone useless.

Cheers

Joe

You mean the show is fake? No, it must be the tacheons in the phone or something.

This was a while back, but there is an "Inaccuracies in the show" thread (though I think it's on the third page now). But I know not everyone has the time to view every post, the search feature on this board is weak, and even with a good search engine, sometimes it takes just the right search words to get what you want, but here's a tip: search with something like Google (you can use whichever one you prefer) and type:

site:http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/

...leave a space and then type your search words. It does a much better job.

Journeyman is a great show and really didnt have all that many mistakes, unlike other episodes where mistakes are common.

Here is one mistake i found though.

In blowback when Aeden is in the house he looks at the calender and looks up Katie's Cell phone number and with it you see Dans cell number. When dan is on his way to the house to save Katie the number that shows up on Katie's phone when he calls doesnt match the number that was on the paper.

Just re-watching episode four ("Year of the Rabbit")....

The HUGE and AWESOME event when Elliott Langley called Dan while he was in the past... yeah, we all knew that, right?

Rewatching, I noticed that Dan was using his 1998 cell phone when Elliott called... not his 2007 cell phone!!!!!!!!

That was a "blooper" I'll have to chaeck that out...

Actually, I am still using my 1997 cell now... so maybe that is not too bad....

..but I use it cause it "boots" faster then my wife's "new" phone and I have dropped it at least 30 times and it still works...

It's my one last "hold out" lol.

Yes I noticed that too and it made sense because his new phone certainly would not have worked in the past. So the question would be how would he have had that number AND how would he have known about Dan at that point? I mean we know he knew Dan but then at that point Dan supposedly didn't know him. At least Dan of the past. So why would he be calling THAT Dan meaning the Dan on that phone. If that makes sense. It was like he knew he was in that time or Elliott of that time was calling the Dan of THAT time. VERY confusing.

I agree there is SO much more that could have been done with this series and THAT is why I hate that it is over. Sure they tied "some" things up but there is SO much more that could be done.

Yes - Langley called returned his call in the past while he was on one of his missions. I'm surprised more people didn't remember that - it was a huge moment.

Perhaps Langley has a way of calling "through time" - that's what I thought when I first saw that.

Exactly, what if he was calling from the future?

That's what I thought when I saw it the first time, but what I missed the first time was that he called Dan on Dan's 1998 cell phone. As someone above mentioned this brings into question whether 1998 Elliott was calling 1998 Dan or whether 2007 Elliott knew that 2007 Dan was in 1998 and knew he was using his 1998 cell phone and was able to "call through time".... or whether there is much more to Elliott Langley than meets the eye and he just called 2007 Dan and got him wherever and whenever he was on the closest phone.

As for the poster above who said the he (she?) was surprised more people didn't remember that, I would also be very surprised if most people didn't remember such a HUGE event in Journeyman. If you watched the show how could you miss something so huge? Especially when Dan reacted to it the way he did.

What I did miss though was which cell phone he called.

Now, perhaps it could be explained by saying that Dan decided to ditch his 2007 phone and just keep his 1998 phone, but I don't believe this to be the case. Hmm, what phone did Elliott call him on the first time there at the paper?

The first time at the paper was on his work phone (landline):

Then, the callback in the past:

Langley also contacted him at home on his iPhone when he was talking to Kate (in the present):

But did you also notice that when everyone else calls Dan while he's on mission, it goes straight to voicemail (because his phone is "in a different time zone")? So Langley's call is very special - and it is proof that he knows a little more than he lets on. Perhaps he's so good at studying travelers he can observe them in some way even in their travels.

Ah, thank you for that! Excellent points.

Any votes for Langley knew Dan's father because the elder Vasser was also a traveler?

Note to MOD:

Why on earth did someone move the last 8 posts from the thread they were in ("I found an Easter Egg!!") to this thread? That thread they were moved from was NOT discussing an inaccuracy with relation to the cell phones... it was the beginning of a discussion on theories regarding Elliott Langley and how he knew to call Dan's old cell phone... or was able to call through time at all... That event was NOT an inaccuracy within the show. Even if I accepted the premise that the was a flub with regard to which cell phone Dan should have been using for that call, it was DEFINITELY a planned revelation regarding "calls through time." Dan himself did a double take because he didn't understand how Elliott Langley could have been calling him.

Please make sure you understand a thread before you delete it and combine it with another that it is fundamentally unrelated to.

There is little enough activity here on the Journeyman boards in this time of uncertainty regarding Journeyman's future, without having threads needlessly merged.

Yeah, I know, this "time of uncertainty" isn't uncertain at all as far as some are concerned. Personally, though, I am convinced that Journeyman deserves a second chance at life.

Note to the community:

In that same spirit, I had to check out Jericho yesterday. I had never seen it and had no idea what it was about, even though I heard tons of press coverage about the campaign to save Jericho. Anyway, I finally watched a few episodes, and I can see why people were so upset that it was cancelled. It is a good show. And so is Journeyman. I hope that the folks at NBC are enjoying "the San Francisco treat."

Personally, my first thought when I saw the suggestion that viewers send Rice-a-Roni to NBC was that it was fitting to send them rice. Put enough water in with the rice and let it sit long enough and what do you have? Mush. Fitting I say. Anyone foolish enough to cancel (or fail to renew... however you want to consider it) Journeyman must have mush for brains. I confess that it took me a while to remember that Rice-a-Roni was "the San Francisco treat" and that Journeyman was set in SF. lol.... I kinda like my first thought better.....

NBC execs have mush for brains.

Episode 4 - Year of the Rabbit.

Did anyone notice that the location of the charity ball looked just like Dan's office (albeit without the furniture)? The room's chandeliers looked similar & you could even see Hugh's office. The camera angles were totally different than the office shots. What tipped me off was the length/width ratio of the room.

Stuart

OK, just watched the last episode again and I have this problem with Evan Patterson: He said he was married to his wife for 20 years, and she died in 2005. That means they were married in 1984/1985. If the cause of being able to travel throught time is your birth during the passing of the Joseph-Lee comet as suggested in "The Hanged Man" episode, that means one of three things:

a) Evan really is nuts. If he was born on July 6, 1972, as Dan was, he would have been 12 or 13 years old when he married his wife. That doesn't seem plausible.

The writers screwed up on their timeline.

c) The Evan that died is actually from the future, came back and got stuck in 2007 due to the sedatives. Therefore, an Evan Patterson living could still be alive in 2007/2008 living his natural timeline.

The last one seems to be the only way that everything remain consistant

Any thoughts, fans?

I still love the show and hope for its return.

We've no idea of Evan's date of birth. He *could* be either from the past or from the future... or that cosmic event could have been coincidental in its timing during the year of Dan's birth and the year of Livia's birth.

Just watched "Keepers" again. At the end, Katie revealed that Dan had asked her to marry him after she told him she was pregnant. Since that scene supposedly takes place on April 12, 2000, she must be pregnant at that point. However, from "The Hanged Man", Zack was not conceived until "a Giants game in the spring of 2000." The regular season does not start until after April 1st. Was there enough time for them to attend the baseball game, Katie to get pregnant, her to know she is pregnant, her to tell Dan she is pregnant, and for him to propose? Does anybody know the Giants season schedule from 2000? I am being nitpicky, but in this kind of thread, that's what we do, isn't it? Just asking.

Numerous sites confirm the SF Giants first official game of the 2000 season (in their new stadium) was on April 11, 2000.

However, the SF Giants hosted an exhibition game on March 31, 2000, to officially open the park before the season started. This game would be the only one that could fit into the timeline from "Keepers".

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