Am I the only one wondering what is Livia's (journeyman's deceased(?) fiancee) role in all of this? If the show lives on for a few more episodes I'm sure more clues will be seen. So far its been intriguing with Livia expressing her aches over seeing JM's wedding band. Does she even know she's supposed to be dead. Hmm....

I am interested to know what role she plays too.
Did they say she was in a plane crash? She mentioned she got off the plane before it crashed, right? So they couldn't have found a body if the plane crashed. Did she walk off? Did she time warp off? I cannot wait to find out what happened with her and why she never contacted him to let her know she was alive. I am assuming she is alive for her to have aged. And I wonder what her reaction will be once she finds out who he married.

I have to say, i'm concerned that Olivia/Moon Bloodgood character will have some kind of sinister connection as to why Dan warp's through time. I would hope it, to not be sinster, but if he's a do-gooder doing the right thing, there has to be a evil do-er,doing bad things. And i think it,to be Olivia.

But as the show developes we shall see...Late

I didn't catch the idea that she left the plane before it crashed. All I know is that everyone assumes she's dead, body retrieved or not. She acts as if she knows enough to guide JM in his journeys but not know enough of what has happened to him since they parted ways. Really strange... It is as if she was trasported to another dimension.

I feel is with the good guys but I could be wrong. I'm sure more explanations will be upcoming ala "Lost"

No...you're not the only one.
That's one of the 'big unknowns', in my opinion.

I got my hopes up, when Dan asked Livia "Where do you live?".
But she didn't answer that question.
She got a look on her face...like she was afraid to answer it...like maybe she would be punished somehow if she told him too much.
Did anyone else notice that?

Livia has supposedly been 'dead' for 9 years?
That means she has been time-traveling all that time?
Is she stuck in time?
In the past?

Livia doesn't seem to know that Dan is married to Katie.
She saw Dan's ring....and she only knows that he is married.

Yeah, in the first episode she said she didn't get on the plane, then I think in this episode I think she did say she got on the plane. So either this is an error, or the writers had her lie one of those times. I think she was "time warped" off the plane (like how Dan was when he was in the bathroom), and that that was her first time travel.

Maybe she isn't really dead because she only travels forward, whereas Dan can only travel backwards.

Hmmm, I'm really liking that theory.

Am I the only one hoping that Dan and Livia can somehow get back together?

I shouldn't be thinking that....
Dan is married to Katie now, and they have Zach.
*slaps self*
But still, it's like Dan and Livia were robbed.
Livia got yanked away from him and they were supposed to be married.
And you can tell that he still loves her.

I love this show....because I find myself still thinking about it long after I have watched it.

I like your theory that Livia may only be travelling forward compared to JM who travels only backward. This explains why Livia was kind of hurt to find out that JM already has a wedding band.

here's my theory, lol.

Livia has aged also, so she must be alive...but she didn't know about Dan's marriage...nor does she seem to know 'where' she is now (either that or she didn't want to answer Dan when he asked). She seems to have a couple months more experience on the time traveling than Dan does and knows about the plane crash and that she wasn't on the plane...Maybe she got off the plane, for whatever reason, left her purse and luggage on the plane and got mugged or something in the airport and is a Jane Doe laying in a hospital somewhere in a coma.

Almost every time Dan travels back in time, the older Livia seems to be there also - it's linked somehow...Since she started traveling before he did, maybe she pulled him into it somehow. Maybe ultimately at the end of the season Dan will find her in a hospital in their own time, by figuring out the clues whenever he travels back in time.

I really like your idea/theory, and i hope that's true....and if it is, this might cause problems in his current marriage ( which equals more drama)

Probably not, but I would hate to see that. It's interesting though that they're setting up scenes where Livia and Katie can be compared by Dan. For example, in the scene when the two women are each recounting their "scares" of the month before and how they handled it. Dan overheard every word.

Yeah I noticed the compare spots in each episode. Wonder if they continue?

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I think Livia is following Dan. I think she's maybe watching him like he's watching others... I don't know if it's for "training" purposes, or because she loves him, or just coincidence. It does seem pretty convenient that she just pops up occasionally.

I agree. We also now know that Livia was tripping before she met and started a reationship with Dan. It may be that he was always watching him but instead of helping him accomplish whatever he was supposed to do, she feel in love with him which caused her to be stuck in his time. (Or maybe falling in love with him was what she was supposed to happen but they (whoever they may be) wouldn't allow her to mess things up even more by letting them marry. Now she's fufilling her goal of watching him.

OK, could we please stop calling him JM. His name is Dan Vasser. Sorry, that's driving me nuts. OK, this is the thing they have to reveal soon. What the heck is Livia doing? They have to define her role and how she got there. Right now she just pops in whenever she feels like it and we get all ready for answer that doesn't come. Please give me a little something this week. I really need to know...

Any ideas on what Olivia's role is? She seems to show up everyone He does, but what for? What does she do, why is she there, and why won't she tell him what the deal behind everything is?




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Any ideas?

As noted above some of us think that Livia is "watching/helping" Dan same way he has been doing to other.

I think someone else dropped the idea that she had some more malicious intentions.

Some have had the idea that she used to be a "Junior" tripper before (what Dan is now) and was somehow promoted to a "Senior" position where she train new people like Dan.

That's just some of the ideas, just look around the board for others.

interesting ideas

Am I the only one thinking that Livia is hiding a major secret from Dan on a personal level? Remember the conversation Dan overheard between Livia and Katie regarding the pregnancy scares they'd both had and Livia saying that she wasn't sure she was cut out to be a mother? When Dan made the comment that the current situation was wreaking havoc on his family life, she replied "tell me about it," implying that she fully understood. When Dan asked if she had a family, she hesitated, then said no. I could be very wrong, but I'm inclined to think that whenever she's actually living now, she isn't alone.

It also struck me in the last episode that she might have had some kind of relationship with Dan's father. There was something about the way that she suggested that Dan's father could help him with the info on McCleen that made me wonder. Maybe that was just meant to show how familiar she is with Dan's personal history because they were once so close.

Could it be that Dan had a CHILD with Livia???? I've been waiting for awhile for more depth in Dan and Livia's relationship or lack of it. The past few episodes she seems like a stand-in for a hologram. All talk, no action. And even the talk is very thin with her continous evasion of Dan's queries.

I agree, we didn't get anything from Livia this week. I said before, just give me a little something. I did kind of enjoy them cruising around in Dan's tool of a brother's car. I really dislike Jack. He is just like every power tripping cop I've ever met. A wonderfully written and played character by the way, but a tool nontheless.

Livia is definitely the weakest character on the show. So far, her only function is to be around (in the past) when Dan is around. I think that her character can play a pivotal role in the show, but for now, she's just eye candy. The actress is doing a good job (although she has a nothing role so far) and she and Kevin McKidd have chemistry (moreso than him and the actress playing his wife). I think the show needs to start using Livia's character to her fullest potential or just drop the character altogether.

Liv says she stopped traveling when she met Dan. My question is did she meet Dan in a travel and never came back? It seems Dan is sometimes wisked away before any harm comes to him when he is on one of his "trips". Is that why she was taken off the plane before it went down. Or does this mean they (time travelers) are somehow protected from harm in the present also.
If she was on a travel then my question is what life was she taken from to stay there and does this mean Dan may eventually stay on one of his trips - maybe with Liv

AND MAYBE I JUST THINK WAY TOO MUCH!

I ask myself the same questions. I was confused about Livia from the time she told Dan that she got off the plane and didn't die. Ok...she traveled...but to where and why did she never come back? She told Dan that she never told him that she was a traveler before because it hadn't happened in a while. What does that really mean though? She decided to get serious with someone because she hadn't traveled FROM that time or because she came TO that time and never left? Also, in this last episode she travels to Dan's present which would be her future...presumably...but how is that possible when they are only traveling within their own timelime? Is she from a future that is further than Dan's present? But that wouldn't work becuase that would mean that she was in the same time as her "present" self when she was dating Dan. It's crazy, but that kind of stuff bugs the crap out of me!! Anyone else have any ideas on this? I LOVE THE SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Livia knows a lot more than she is telling Dan, a lot more.

And now...it seems that she can move back and forth through time at will?

It was a really unselfish thing that she did for Dan, saving his 'life with Katie'.
Although, I am a little confused about what it was exactly that she did.

I love what episode 7 did for Livia. It expanded our idea about her. We now know she travels the same way as Dan and that she reallly does figure things out wherever/whenever she goes. This somehow answers the mystery why she says so little to Dan whenever he ask her questions. I can't wait to find out more about her like...
1.) What time and place did she originally came from, does she still goes back to that time or is she in time travel limbo, all travel no going back (ala quantum leap)
2.) Does she still love Dan? It seems like it but she seems surrendered to the bane of time travelling, no permanent relationships.

I agree, i really liked Livia being more involved and figuring things out--the whole present time in the closet, wandering out and looking at the photos then running back into the closet before Jack got there... i was on pins and needles!
i really think she still loves Dan. All those shots of her tortured face when Dan went back to Katie... She loves Dan enough to help him get back to his life with Katie. but yea... i wonder when she's really from. A lot of great posts and ideas so far...

Just a question - in episode 7 Livia went to the present to get the money, why her? Dan could have done this? Was there a purpose in her seeing Dan's family first hand? All I could say is at least for the first time Livia really got involved instead of her being just an adviser. While in the closet hiding she seems like to really know how to be careful with her sorrounding and pick up clues. An experience traveller she is!

LIVIA WON'T BE BACK...at least for awhile

Her mission's finished if time travelling according to the series is consistent. One travels because there is a reason, to help, to save a person(s). Her mission as far as the past episodes have suggested was to be the bridge between Katie and Dan. Dan saddened by his "lost" of Livia went back to gambling. But Katie literally got him out of his personal mess and Dan being in an emotionally needy situation started their relationship. Their first loving look tells it all. Livia was even a direct participant in this by getting the money. That's why Dan said to Livia, "You saved my life." Mission accomplished. Also Livia's last words were also telling. She said, "I guess everything the way they're supposed to be." She then said goodbye. Anymore reason to come back? Not for now, I guess. Even the previews for the next episode didn't show any signs of her.

I doubt the writers would drop livia. It's too juicy to drop the thought-to-be-dead ex-fiance in the story.

And I would like to find out sometime down the line on exactly what time does livia live in. Where does she go when she is not with Dan? If this is like Quantum Leap, the time traveler can only travel in the past, not to the future of the person's real life time. From last night's episode where Livia time traveled to Dan's real time to get the money, Livia could be a time traveler from the future (relative to Dan's time), but happened to time traveled to Dan's time for extended period and fell in love with Dan before starting time traveling again to the past.

Like I said, too much story that can be written on Livia to simply drop her out of the story.

That is an interesting thought... She could be from the future and traveled to the past to meet Dan, at which point she stayed and never travel back to the future. Until the plane crash... She did mention that it stopped happening once she and Dan met, she never specified if it was when she was in the middle of a trip. Also if this idea (Livia traveled from the future to meet Dan) were to play out it could be interesting to see why she started traveling again. Regardless of if that idea comes to fruition, I suspect why she started traveling again will play a role in future episodes.

I suspect that we are done seeing her insomuch as appearing when he travels to the past. There doesn't seem to be any reason why she cannot appear in Dans present time.

That was the exact conversation that got me thinking she may not belong to Dan's time in the first place. The fact she came from future can help with a plot on how time travel can happen (someone invented it in the future, effected Livia, and then in tern, effected Dan).

But I don't see that Livia is "done with helping Dan" simply base on this week's episode. It would be more interesting to see Dan having someone he can connect to in the past when he time travels. She can be there helping him with his mission (like in earlier episodes), even if it's not necessarily directly helping saving Dan's own life. And yeah, this week's episode shows that Livia can indeed appear in Dan's present time.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, that Livia may not show up in some episodes that focus on Dan's present life. After all, Livia is not really a part of Dan's present life. It seems next week can be one of those episodes.

Tigerjuju this conversation made me think of the follow scenario I posted here originally but I will post again here to keep this thread more fluid.

I had a thought that occurred to me after replying to the post here in regards to the possibility that Livia could have traveled from the future when she first met Dan. Regardless of that idea, we can assume that she started traveling again the day of the plane crash.

Think about this; Your a time traveler and your on a plane that is about to crash, what do you do? Time travel of course. I know that Dan can't control his trips and judging from this episode Livia can't either (the trip to the closet) But something that was touched on a few episodes before was what happens if you die on a trip?

What if Livia was traveling that whole time with her relationship with Dan and popped back to her present when the plane crashed? Of course I suppose if that was the case she could have found out about Dan being remarried and so on. Unless she was from reaaaaally far from the future. Anyways it just popped into my head and I thought I'd share that thought.

I totally agree with your first post nbctvnut. It looks like it's taken the series seven episodes to give Livia's character room for expansion. Like everyone else, I'm wondering "when" is she from?

I think Livia is probably living somewhere in the present when Dan lives, but I doubt she is from further in the future. It would be a pretty long journey if she was able to date Dan for months and live as casually as she did when we first met her in the past. Journeys don't seem to last that long.

On the pilot while journeying and finding Dan in the past she said "It is you." We also know she has experience doing what Dan does. So after several of her missions, she was assigned to Dan which is why she said that (it seems).

She may show up in the present. If she does, I bet she'll have some scenes with Kate, which would be very interesting.

I haven't noticed that yet. I did like seeing her actually travel this time. We always just see her popping in when Dan travels. I thought it was cool to see her show up at his home.

Ditto!



I had this feeling also after last night's show. I am wondering if she is following him and has been all along since she traveled before she knew him.

Which leads me to believe this also. That she fell in love with him and it caused her to be stuck. But somehow when she got on that plane, she started traveling again. Maybe her purpose of getting on the plane was to go finish what she had started.


I agree. I almost wonder if she knows the future and she and Dan are married in the future. She is following him to make sure things stay on track, if that makes sense. You know, like Dan had to make sure he was back at the poker game in order to be sure that he and Katie were married so Zack could still exist. I am also wondering now that it has been mentioned, if Livia has a child with Dan and he doesn't know it yet.

This show is so awesome!

Livia! Her role is to show off one of the hottest actresses with a most unusual name. Now, I got that one off my chest.

Livia used to be with Dan the same way Dan is with his wife of the present, except that Livia did not tell Dan that she used to travel. She never died on the aircraft, merely jumped to another time. The air crash was the cover story that appeared most acceptable to normal folk.

Livia appears to know something that Dan does not know. She might even have a life outside of the time jumps, but she is not letting on, or has been ordered by whoever the intelligence is behind the jumps not to interfere. Remember the spooky scientist who spoke to Dan on the phone about tachyons or some such subatomic particle (which by the way are real). That scientist called Dan once while he was traveling in the past.

Could Livia be connected somehow to that quantum physicist? It would be a shame if they cancel the show before it has time to develop these threads. Quantum Leap with Scot Bakula would never have become a cult hit if it was launched today, because the studios are so keen on turning a profit, that they do not wait for good shows to find their niche.

I think it was good for her to see how happy he is in his life right now, even though he misses her. I also liked that she saw what he went through after he lost her, you know, the poker game night and him being drunk off his butt.
She is an experienced traveler! You got that right.
Oh, and when she went to the present to get the money, that led me to believe that she is "following" Dan and has been all along. But like someone else mentioned, she fell in love with him along the way and was not supposed to. And if she has been all along...why? Is she his future wife and she needs to make sure he doesn't die? lol

It sure would be a shame. I really hope this doesn't happen. I love time travel shows and mystery. This has both.

OMG! Imagine if Katie saw her. lol
I don't think Livia is finished yet. There are too many unanswered questions that I am sure she holds the key to.

Livia seem like the TRAGIC tale in all of these. It's tragic because

1.) She lost Dan
2.) She said she doesn't have a family
3.) It seems like she hasn't love someone else after Dan
4.) She is pained with every detail of Dan's life with a wife and family
5.) She's been time travelling for awhile which restricts her from having long term relationships
6.) And it seem she too don't know the whole thing about time travelling

What do you think people?

So we found out where she is from. 1948? Too cool! So she can travel forward and he can travel back. I would love to see her travel to the future and talk with Katie. So Livia and Dan were never meant to be because they cannot live in the same time together. It was just a fluke or something when she met him. ?? Anyone correct me if I misunderstood anything. My hubby was asking questions as I was watching because he usually goes to bed before it comes on. lol He has to get up early. But I still don't get why she is always where he is at. Are they supposed to work together or is her mission to follow him? Is she supposed to be recruiting him or training him? More answers please. lol At the end she told him good luck with finding out answers. So maybe she doesn't really know either and all this time she has never found out why this is happening?
Oh, and one more question. When she disappears from Dan, is she going back to 1948 in her own time like Dan goes back to his own time?
I love this show!!

It sounds like she IS going back to 1948 whenever she jumps back. I just say jump back to describe how they go back to their time when they accomplish whatever they are supposed to. I totally feel bad for saying this, too, but I also think Dan and Olivia are soulmates. Not because of destiny bringing them together, necessarily, but just the way they look at each other it says it all. It's always in the eyes.

that's what i got... that she doesnt know exactly why this is all happening.. but she does get how she just has to finish the "missions" at task and move on from there.. she knows not to tamper with other things during her flash forwards--even though she kind of did by falling in love with Dan.

looks like the next episode is where Dan starts tampering beyond his mission to the past... a two-parter!

this is a great show.



although i really like how Dan and Liv have this caring bond between them, im rooting for Katie back at home. She's finally seeing clues linking Dan's claims of traveling... and this episode showed a lot of her standing up for him.
I love that he adores his wife.

I do feel bad for Livia. She's traveling with the guy she fell in love with and realizing they werent meant to be... yet pretty stoic.