Ouch! So it looks like one of the strangest and sweetest couples on television is now on the outs. Say it ain't so!!! I love this couple so much and I know I'm not the only one. They were quirky, and while not very accepting of other people, they accepted and adored each other. They gave hope in that even the oddest and most eccentric people can find true love.

Now, originally I was intending on maybe doing a pairing of Dwight and Angela episode analysis threads a la scrantonbranch's JP and PD, but to be honest, I don't really think I have the time and energy. (Major kudos to sb there, because I don't know how she does it.) So, I kind of want to just steel Beeswax's idea instead and start my own little version of a DWANGELA Therapy thread. A place where maybe we can discuss and analyze and re-find that hope in Dwangela, because I just don't believe it's over.

So, let's start with "WHAT THE F HAPPENED?":

Well, it looks like Dwight and Angela's worlds have collided. While their eccentricities helped to fuel their relationship in the past, this season it has created a huge rift. Looking back now, it appears that it was bound to happen. Both have passionate but completely different philosophies when it comes to the animal kingdom.

Dwight looks at animals as either powerful (re: his loves for bears, wolves and other 'beasts') or functional (re: provide wool, meat or milk). Overall, he has a very man-centric approach to the other living creatures in this world. In his mind there is "man" and then there are "others". They may co-exist, but "man" is the ruler of this kingdom. I don't think he understands the philosophy that animals can be companions.

Angela is almost the exact opposite. Not only is she a vegetarian, but she believes that “man” and animals are companions and equal partners in this life. Angela almost takes it to the extreme when she personifies her cats. Her other cats have jealousy issues, her pictures depict her having tea with her Sprinkles and they were just a couple of kittens out on the town. This is not just some furry pointless animal to her. This is her best friend.

But here’s what I learned and believe from Fun Run: Dwight and Angela have hit a major road block in their relationship, one that they perhaps were able to avoid, but was inevitable the longer they were in the relationship. However, this road block was not encountered with intended malice. This may be essential in believing that Dwangela has a chance at recovery. What Dwight did to sprinkles not only wasn’t intended to cause Angela pain, but I believe he truly felt that he was doing what’s best for the animal.

Dwight's problem lies in his lack of understanding of Angela's position. He simply can not understand her attachment to this feline and how it goes beyond this functional being. He's trying, but he just doesn't get it. The way he was raised and his own belief system hinder is reference point.

Angela's problem lies in her lack of understanding of what Dwight's intentions were. She doesn't understand Dwight's reference point and that is preventing her from being able to forgive him at this moment. However, to give her credit, she may be in too much pain over the loss of Sprinkles to figure this out.

So do Dwight and Angela still have a chance? I think it depends on whether or not they are willing to really invest in it. Given, that Angela has ended the relationship, much to Dwight’s protest, it looks like it is up to Dwight to prove himself and his worthiness of his lady. To me, it looks like Dwight is going to have to try and understand Angela a little better to fully show how sorry he is and to grab her attention. At this moment Dwight is far from this goal. I’m particularly thinking of the scene with Garbage. Clearly he still doesn’t understand, but is beginning to feel the pangs of regret, he just may not know why. And without a reference point, it makes me wonder if someone else is going to have to show him one.

Anyway, I’d like to come back and talk more in depth about the scenes from Dunder Mifflin Infinity (particularly Garbage, The Dinner and the significance of the Gift Baskets), but I’m wondering if anyone else has any other insight. I just need a little more hope. I’m scared that we have two lost souls wandering around without any sense of direction back to each other. I truly believe that these two belong together and if they can just figure out how to get past this one thing, they can probably get past anything.

Much like of scrantonbranch’s Questions To Ponder, I have a few questions that I would like to discuss as well.

1. Is it possible for Angela to forgive Dwight? Can she forgive him, even if he never fully understands where she’s coming from?

2. Is it possible for Dwight to figure out where Angela’s coming from and feel complete remorse? Can he do this on his own?

3. For fun, let’s say Dwight can’t figure this out on his own, who is most likely to be some sort of catalyst? And how might it possibly go down?

Yes! This is going to be awesome! My new favorite couple!!!!!

I totally agree with you, BJB. I think they definitely have true love, but even then, relationships can get very rocky. I believe they are meant to be together.

You can definitely tell that Dwight doesn't understand Angela's point-of-view, but I never thought about how Angela doesn't understand Dwight's POV. That is a very good point, and one that I agree with.

I think, for Dwight to be able to understand Angela's POV, he is going to have to lose something that he loves very dearly (even though he already has ie. Angela). But what does Dwight hold dear to him? The only thing I can really think of (that's on the same level as Sprinkles was to Angela) is his cousin Mose. But, do you think we'll actually see a Mose death this season? I don't think so. So, how else can Dwight understand Angela's feelings? He's already lost his job before, and I don't think his car is really that important to him. Maybe losing his bobbleheads or even his farm? I still think Mose is the only thing that is "powerful" enough to make Dwight understand.

What a great idea! A place where fellow DWANGLEA flans can grieve our great loss, make sense of the tragedy and maybe give each other hope that things will come together happily once more.

After thinking about their extremely different upbringings (with respect to animals) it is kind-of strange that Fun Run was the first episode that addressed these differences of opinion. Which leads me to believe that communication is not one of their strong points because it probably could've been talked about and resolved long before Sprinkles was iced.

I like how you mentioned Dwight's view of animals as either powerful or functional. He's always shown respect for animals with Strength, Speed and Agility as well as those that provide humans with some needed resource (milk/wool/meat) but he never realized that companionship is another sort of a resource that many people need.

Since Angela sees animals more as fellow humans than animals at all, she probably feels like Dwight killed her best friend. They are in quite the conundrum... I really hope things work out for them, but I have a feeling it's only going to get worse before it gets better.

Dwangela therapy???!!! All right!! Thank you so much for starting this BJB! I'm just going to settle in and make myself at home...

I need a little bit of time to answer your QTPs and re-watch Fun Run and DMI, and I can't wait to hear everyone else's take on this.

Gosh, I hope WE don't lose Mose. He would be greatly missed on my part (and we've only actually seen him, what? Once?). That's kind of why I'm thinking it might take an outside source to help him understand. Maybe someone just needs to explain what it would be like to lose something dear to him, but somehow explain it on his terms. And I don't know why, but I keep thinking that Jim may just be the person to do that. Because despite their differences I think Jim really knows Dwight very well. That's how he knows what pranks to pull on him.




You bring up a very excellent point Darth. This may be more than just an issue of upbringing and philosophies. It might very well be an issue of communication. This somehow should have come up before. And the summer preview ("He shot something . . . . I don't want to talk about it") suggests that it should have at least maybe come up this summer, if not sooner. Also, if you consider Angela's vegetarianism, you would think that there would have been an opportunity for some sort of segue before.

Although, i do want to give Dwight credit for trying to communicate why he did what he did. "I am a farmer Angela" and "OK, when a farmer sees an animal that is in pain, that has no quality of life, that has no utility. A farmer does what city folk don't have the stomach to do" BUT, Dwight should have communicated that BEFORE euthanizing Sprinkles. Ultimately, it was not his decision and he it appears as though he was contemplating the waste of Sprinkles life when Angela was listing all of the things to do when the cat was in Dwight's care. That probably would have been a more appropriate time to bring up ending the cat's life. Yeah, I am definitely seeing that communication is an issue.

Yay!! I was really hoping you would join us Queen!!!

Very cool to start a Dwangela Therapy thread, BJB! I was so sad for Dwight the other night. He almost showed true, raw emotion (aside from sobbing in Michael's car) and he struck my grief bone for the first time ever.

1. Is it possible for Angela to forgive Dwight? Can she forgive him, even if he never fully understands where she's coming from?
I don't know that Angela will ever truly forgive him for his choice to kill Sprinkles. If Dwight can eventually understand what he did wrong and why it was wrong and show utter and complete remorse for his actions, she might be able to get past it. Angela will have to see that he didn't 'get it' before, but does now and has truly learned from his error though in order to move forward.

2. Is it possible for Dwight to figure out where Angela's coming from and feel complete remorse? Can he do this on his own?
Dwight is so stubborn, that this might not be possible. He may feel bad about hurting Angela, but I don't know that he will ever admit he did anything wrong. If he is to feel remorse, he will probably need someone to spell out specifically as to why he should feel it; how a pet may not be special to him, but to some a pet is like one's child or family. He doesn't get this, having been raised on a farm I guess, but maybe someone can explain it to him in terms he can understand. I don't think Angela can be the person. It has to be someone neutral.

3. For fun, let's say Dwight can't figure this out on his own, who is most likely to be some sort of catalyst? And how might it possibly go down?
Oh man, it's going to be Jim for sure. Jim will see that Dwight is down in the dumps and will ask him what's wrong. Dwight will confide in Jim and Jim will set him straight, kind of like how he did for Michael in A Benihana Christmas.

This was fun, BJB!

BJB (you will understand the reason I chose that emoticon )

Anywho, I think Angela can take Dwight back, but ONLY if he can demonstrate a true sense of remorse. In order to do that, he will have to change his worldview when it comes to animals and that won't be an easy task.

If there's anyone who will be a catalyst, my vote is unflinchingly cast for Pam. Who else is better equipped to assist a friend on a journey of self discovery that requires courage and honesty?

And to those who scoff at such an 'unlikely' alliance, just a few reminders:





And when they do reunite, it better be a heck of a lot more intimate than this:

I agree with Darth on the communication front. I just watched DMI again, and the dinner scene between Dwight and Angela was very awkward. Yes, it's because they were breaking up, but every conversation we see them having has been kind of awkward (even when removing the fact that they are trying to be secretive). For example, when Angela meets Dwight outside in Fun Run, they have a lighthearted exchange and a little flirting, but it all seems like it's just being said to avoid an awkwardness. They are both very "matter of fact" kind of people. They don't communicate their emotions very well, and tend to speak impassively instead of emotionally.

Big-O brings up a great point about Pam being the one to help Dwight. Pam and Dwight have had plenty of moments throughout the seasons (some true, and some just Pam toying with Dwight), but they do seem to have some kind of connection.

Also, Pam's always been the one Angela has gone to for advise, so she's definitely the one who best knows how Angela is feeling.

Here's my take on the QTPs. Sorry they're so long but I really had fun answering these. Oh, and I'm really looking forward to someone totally changing my mind about all this!

1. a) Is it possible for Angela to forgive Dwight?

At this point, NO. Angela didn't just loose a cat, she lost a best friend. I'm guessing that Angela doesn't have many friends, and the few people she knows outside of work she probably only has a very surface-y relationship with. She doesn't let her guard down easily, and keeps herself protected by laying judgement out over the "failures" of others. We even know (from A Benihanas Christmas) that she has at least one tense relationship within her family, and I would guess there are more we don't know about. So aside from Dwight, and maybe some cordial relationships at her church, I'm guessing her cats are all she has and Sprinkles was her most beloved. She kept Sprinkles alive through so many ailments, probably spending many hours and lots of money on her. So in Angela's mind, Dwight may as well have killed a person. Add to that 1) the heartless way he broke the news to her, 2) his inability to comfort her when she most needed it, and 3) the horror and betrayal she felt when she discovered that he did indeed kill her cat, and felt that there was nothing wrong with that. That's not to say I don't think Dwight killed her cat maliciously. With Angela he always has the best intentions and his heart really was in the right place, but the problem is that Angela doesn't understand that. Because of her grief, Angela can't understand Dwight and why he did what he did.

I think they can (and will, please god!) reconcile in the future. Understanding where the other one is coming from will be key. I don't think Angela will be able to forgive him until she understands why he killed Sprinkles. And try as he might, Dwight won't be able to earn her forgiveness until he realizes how much Sprinkles meant to Angela, and how much he hurt her. It's also going to take time, giving Angela lots of room to grieve for Sprinkles before she can forgive.

The difficult part with this, I think, will be Angela's vengeful nature. This isn't something she's going to let go of easily, and even worse, she could start to actively act out towards Dwight to get back at him for killing Sprinkles. I can easily see them spending the next few months really hating each other. But even if they bicker though, they did have a pretty…*ahem*…kinky relationship. If they do start to fight and lash out at each other, it could bring back the passion.


1. b)Can she forgive him, even if he never fully understands where she's coming from?

No. In order to earn her forgiveness he has to understand why killing Sprinkles was so devastating. They could get back together without him ever fully understanding her grief, but it wouldn't be a lasting relationship. Sprinkles would be the elephant in the room they never talk about, and Angela would always secretly hold that against him. It just wouldn't work out.

2. Is it possible for Dwight to figure out where Angela's coming from and feel complete remorse? Can he do this on his own?

Of course! Dwight really has a big heart. I mean, he killed his girlfriend's cat, but he truly did it with the best intentions. He thought what he was doing was right and good. So absolutely, Dwight can see things from Angela's point of view and feel bad about what he did…it's just going to be difficult for him to do this on his own. At this point he probably doesn't even realize that her POV is worth considering, not out of derision, but just his Dwight-ness. He thinks his way of seeing the world is the right way, and that Angela is being over-emotional and that time will make things better.

So part of me thinks that just losing Angela alone will be enough to open his eyes and make him see her side of things, but they're both so stubborn that I don't know if he can do it on his own. Actually, I think it's pretty unlikely he'll figure this out on his own. Not just because of the nature of his character, and for the sake of comedy. It'd be a lot funnier for Dwight to find help from someone else in the office than if he just suddenly had a change of heart and figured things out on his own. So I think he will remain clueless until another character helps him out. I'm crossing my fingers that it's Jim and Pam who bring Dwight and Angela back together. I guess that takes me right to #3…


3. For fun, let's say Dwight can't figure this out on his own, who is most likely to be some sort of catalyst? And how might it possibly go down?

I would love to see Jim and Pam as a catalyst. Right now, they both know about Dwangela, but neither one of them knows that Dwangela is done. We haven't seen any great Jim pranks either this season, so I would love it if Jim and Pam decided to play a prank on Dwangela, not realizing that they've broken up. The prank could then either bring Dwangela a little bit closer together, or even better...reveal their break-up to Jim and Pam who kind of coach them through a reconciliation, or at least forgiveness. I loved it when Dwight and Pam formed a bond in The Job, and Dwight has gone to her before for relationship advice, so it'd make sense for him to seek her out again if he can't figure things out on his own.

I knew I'd forget something!

I just wanted to bring up that the last shot of Angela in DMI is of her rolling her eyes at Dwight and Michael's antics. This isn't completely new...she's been annoyed at Michael and the way Dwight encourages him plenty of times, even when her and Dwight were together...but this time it just looked like she was already over him. It was a look like "I can't believe I dated him." I really hope someone thinks I'm wrong.

I think that Angela will eventually take Dwight back, but he is going to have to earn her trust. I agree with the above posts that for some reason I foresee Jim and Pam have something to do with their reunion.

I re-watched Fun Run tonight, and after seeing the scene in which Angela lists all of the problems with Sprinkles and the medications she needed, I have to say that I completely understood Dwight's course of action. If I had an animal with that many ailments, I would consider it the humane thing to do. This wasn't at all some bizarre action on Dwight's part, or even that of someone who purely sees animals as "functional". Even with people who love their pets as members of their family, sometimes the best thing for them is to let them go.

On second viewing, I couldn't believe how truly awful I felt for him! Here was a man who was not only acting with the best intentions, but thought he was sparing his girlfriend from the added pain of watching Sprinkles deteriorate more, and instead he was attacked and dumped.

1. I think Angela will eventually forgive Dwight, but because this isn't the show's last season, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a "JAM" turn where she's ready to get back together with him, but Dwight has moved on in some respect.

2. I don't believe that Dwight wil ever feel "remorse." HE honestly believes he did the right thing, and I don't disagree with him.

3. No idea how this one will get worked out, but I can't wait to see it!

Great idea BJB. My heart is breaking for Dwight right now. I know Angela is hurting too, but she's completely shut down and shut Dwight out, so I have a bit less sympathy there. I'm also worried, because remember Angela has been on the outs with her sister for 17 years??? So yeah, she's good.

. . . . Totally agree with Big O, Pam's going to play a roll.

I understand the thought behind Dwight's actions as well, in fact, I've had to be the Dwight of the household at least twice (no freezers or drugs involved, but somebody had to make a decision).

At least some of the attraction is their common disdain for most humans. However, Angela gets some of her companionship needs met by her cats, while Dwight's upbringing made him more practical in his approach to the purpose and care of animals.

As repulsive as the roots of some of Dwight's deeply held beliefs are I don't think that he will discard them that easily. But he does have the capacity to recognize that he hurt the person he loves the most (even if he still doesn't understand exactly why) and he's tried to atone for it.

There's a sweetness about Dwight even in the act of trying to win her back with a greasy old barn cat. Angela has had some very brief episodes of humanity, and Dwight will eventually succeed in awakening that again - either on his own, or with some outside intervention as already suggested. Dwight is Angela's only real human connection. If she totally and permanently shuts him out, it will make her even colder and harder than she already is, and that would be disastrous for her character.

Great thread, BJB! I have a feeling we'll be needing a lot of it this season .

Angela could never forgive Dwight right now. She is so blinded by her mourning that she can't make sense of anything. Sprinkles was so important to her that she still has a long way to go before she accepts the death. She has a very heightened sense of emotion right now, and it's not about to end. This kind of pain, however, eases with time. After a while, she'll have to realize that by losing Sprinkles AND Dwight, she's lost her two closest relationships. Once the pain of losing Sprinkles eases a little, she'll start to appreciate life a little bit more and she'll want to connect with Dwight again.

Yay, I'm so glad that all of you have decided to participate in this thread. It's so nice to have someone talk to about this. And I'm so glad to hear that people were having sympathy for Dwight even during Fun Run. I really felt like (from his perspective) he was blindsided and didn't know what went wrong. But I think I've always had a soft spot for Dwight.

1. Is it possible for Angela to forgive Dwight?

I think this might be the thing that worries me the most. I'm trying to think back to a moment when Angela might have ever forgiven someone and I'm coming up short. However, that doesn't mean that it's impossible. In fact, it makes a great story. And if she's going to forgive any human being, I would think Dwight would be it. She should know Dwight well enough to know all his strong and admirable points and thus giving her reason to forgive him for a fault, where as with everybody else, she may view those people as their faults (for example, Meredith is an Alky and not really anything else).

On the other hand, Angela does know how to hold a grudge. As others have pointed out before, she proudly hasn't forgiven her sister in 17 years for reasons she doesn't even know why. I guess this is where I hope that love plays a role. I'm hoping that she really loves Dwight and this will create some sort of need for him and thus a need to forgive him.

Can she forgive him, even if he never fully understands where she's coming from?

I keep hoping that maybe she will come to an understanding of what Dwight was trying to do and that would be enough for her to forgive him even if he never understands, but I just don't see this happening. It's not her character. In fact, the way I see her going around and judging everyone, I don't see her ever fully understanding Dwight's perspective. I believe the way she allows herself to go on judging people is by not allowing herself to view things from their eyes. If she did, I'm afraid that her world would be flipped. And for some reason I don't see that changing, not even for Dwight. (And part of me hopes that she never does, because that's what makes Angela, Angela.)

2. Is it possible for Dwight to figure out where Angela's coming from and feel complete remorse?

Yes! Not only do I think it's possible, I think it's absolutely important that he does. While I completely understand why Dwight took those actions, it wasn't his place to do so. Especially with out discussing them with Angela first. So, I don't expect Dwight to actually feel bad for killing the cat (he may have done it a favor), I want Dwight to respect Angela's feelings for the cat.

Can he do this on his own?

Unfortunately, I don’t think he can do this on his own. I think there’s some sort of mental block here, and that’s because he has no frame of reference. Without it, he just knows that he did something wrong in Angela’s eyes but he just doesn’t really understand what it is and that only makes him think that Angela is being irrational. And as someone else pointed out, he may just think that Angela is just depressed about her cat; as if time will heal her and that’s all that it takes. He may not even understand that there is a bigger rift here; this is about more than losing Sprinkles. I think he’s going to need someone to help point this out to him.

3. For fun, let's say Dwight can't figure this out on his own, who is most likely to be some sort of catalyst? And how might it possibly go down?

I’ve already stated why I think Jim would be a great catalyst, but I have no idea why I never even considered Pam. Of course! Pam would be excellent. She’s also served as an ally for both Dwight and Angela. She also has an excellent way of talking to the most eccentric and irrational people and helping them understand things on their terms (I’m actually thinking of all those great Pam and Michael moments right now). So, I’m thinking that Jim and/or Pam might be a great catalyst for getting Angela and Dwight together.

But I’m not throwing out the possibility that Michael may unwittingly play a role. Dwight always looks up to Michael and Michael is a lot more emotional and feels a connection to the weirdest and strangest things. Remember, Michael actually felt a little remorse for the loss of Sprinkles, before he turned it all on himself.

But I’m still banking on Jim and/or Pam.

And apparently Angela hasn't even buried her pet yet! Angela is wallowing in grief right now, and is completely shut-down when it comes to Dwight. I think the writers are brilliant using animals as the wedge-issue between these two. These differences have been there all along, even though they're in sync on so many other things. If they're ever going to be together for the long haul, they'll need to find a way to understand each other a lot better on this issue.

Dwight has an uphill battle in front of him (and I really hope he succeeds).

His biggest problem is that Angela finds distain with everything that she's not personally attached to.

For example, lets look at the time Dwight took the reports to New York for her. She was glowing. She loved that. However, if Dwight did the exact same thing for someone else, she would be far less impressed. He satisifaction with Dwight that day was more about her connection with Dwight then Dwight's chivalry.

On the last episode, Dwight wanted to succeed in the gift basket task as a means of impressing Angela. She wasn't impressed. She rolled her eyes and made a face. You can count on Dwight seeing more of that reaction as he tries to win her back.

So how does Dwight win her back?

He needs to do things that are about her, not for her. His pseudo alpha-male posturing impressed her before, but that won't work now. He first needs to recognize her work and value to the office. But he needs to be subtle. She needs to know that he respect her a person, not a girlfriend or even a friend. When she gets that respect the door opens for friendship. At that point in time, he can open up to her about why he did what he did. Then maybe, just maybe, she'll be ready to take him back.

^^^Brilliant, RC!

Angela is my favorite character. Sometimes I liked Dwangela other times I just thought Dwight does not even deserve Angela. Like the time Angela said "We can make a difference here." And he said, "I will make a difference here." But I felt bad when Dwight took the break up so hard. I thought Angela was right in what she did, Dwight just could not understand how much Sprinkles meant to her.

This is probably just a coincidence but Michael says this in Fun Run, right after Dwight offs Sprinkles:
"Or just... the head of a monkey, with the antlers of a reindeer, with, ah... the body of a porcupine."
Dwight calls Angela monkey and right now she does have her quills out, symbolically.
Did that make the least bit of sense at all?

Makes at least as much sense as Michael's statement.

But I'm trackin' with ya ... what would the antlers of a reindeer represent then? Does Angela wear those in the Xmas episodes?

Kudos on starting Dwangela Therapy, BJB! I was wondering if a thread like this would pop up during these dark and dangerous Dwangela times.

I love those two and they are made for each other, they just need to get it together. I'm sure this thread will help all of the Dwangela fans, just like JAM Therapy has helped the JAMmers in the past 6 months.

I will definitely be a frequent visitor here. I will answer the QTPs, but first I want to respond to these great posts.



I agree with everything here. I really want to see more of Mose this season and I really hope it doesn't take Mose kicking it to get Dwight to wake up. Also, communication is a big problem with these two. More about that in the QTPs



I love so much about Pam and Dwight together. They have a weird connection. I think it may have something to do with Pam often feeling like an outsider and identifying with Dwight in that way. Maybe she also has a strange sense of respect for Dwight because he always speaks his mind, not worrying about the consequences.



Oh, RC. That was perfection. So, not only do we have to plan Jim and Pam's wedding, now we've got some Dwangela counselling to do.

Our good work is never done.


Now, on to the QTPs

1. Is it possible for Angela to forgive Dwight? Can she forgive him, even if he never fully understands where she’s coming from?

I think in order for her to forgive him, he has to reach an understanding of her. Dwight is a very passionate person and he has a strong passion for Angela. I think it's that deep love and passion that will help him find his way to understanding her. But, he will not be able to do this on his own.

Can I just add that my most fave Dwangela exchange is this:

Angela: Dwight, you have to listen to me! We are not seeing each other anymore! Can you accept that?
Dwight: Fine. [sighs] Then I just want to be friends.
Angela: Good.
Dwight: Plus a little extra. Also, I love you.

I just love how he slipped that in. He really does love her. Also, I think this conversation shows the beginning of Dwight trying to understand Angela's love of animals:

Angela: What do you want?
Dwight: To give you this [reveals a cat from under a coat].
Angela: Oh, what is that?
Dwight: It's a feral barn cat. I trapped him last night and I'm giving him to you as a replacement cat for the one I destroyed.
Angela: Her name was Sprinkles.
Dwight: And his name is... Garbage. Mose calls him Garbage because he likes to eat garbage. [shakes cat] Don't you Garbage? [makes chomping noises]
Angela: I can't believe you just thought you could replace Sprinkles. Before she's even in the ground.
Dwight: You haven't buried her yet?
Angela: Don't rush me. I'm grieving.
Dwight: Garbage can be very helpful. OK, he's a youthful cat. He killed an entire family of raccoons. [holds cat towards Angela] Look at him.
Angela: I don't want Garbage! I want Sprinkles! [walks away]

The way he talks to Garbage in that cutesy voice shows that he's trying. But, Angela is not in a place to even see that.

2. Is it possible for Dwight to figure out where Angela’s coming from and feel complete remorse? Can he do this on his own?

Ok, see the Garbage scene above for the beginning of Dwight's journey to understanding and remorse. But, it's going to be two steps forward and three steps back for these two because Dwight really is socially handicapped and can be especially thick when it comes to women. He's going to need some help, for sure.

3. For fun, let’s say Dwight can’t figure this out on his own, who is most likely to be some sort of catalyst? And how might it possibly go down?

Like everyone is saying, it's going to be Jim, Pam or both of them. There's got to be a reason that they are the only two that know about Dwangela and that they have both revealed their knowledge of Dwangela to each other. I think there will be some amazing, and get ready for this, because I'm coining a new name here, Djamgela scenes ahead for us this season.


BJB, I just wanted to quote you here because it got me thinking about something:

I keep hoping that maybe she will come to an understanding of what Dwight was trying to do and that would be enough for her to forgive him even if he never understands, but I just don't see this happening. It's not her character. In fact, the way I see her going around and judging everyone, I don't see her ever fully understanding Dwight's perspective. I believe the way she allows herself to go on judging people is by not allowing herself to view things from their eyes. If she did, I'm afraid that her world would be flipped. And for some reason I don't see that changing, not even for Dwight. (And part of me hopes that she never does, because that's what makes Angela, Angela.)

Ok, so this got me thinking about Pam's journey to FNB last season. I think it may be Angela's turn to take a trip to self discovery. She does have a soft side that we have only seen through her love of cats and Dwight. I think that Pam may help Angela to see that she needs to look within herself at her faults and mistakes and to think about the old "Let ye without sin cast the first stone" saying.

Pam had her life changing event (walking away from Roy and the wedding), maybe the death of Sprinkles will not be in vain and will help Angela become a better person.

I loved that scene! He really is stubborn and single-minded, even in his love for her.



Djamgela! That's AWESOME Bees! I totally agree. I'm all on board for some Djamgela this season.



This is really interesting. I love the idea of this being Angela's season to develop and change for the better. So Pam had a revelation in Business School that first started her on her journey to FNB. But Pam's character was already open to change, in a way. She considered what people thought of her, and used it for some serious self-reflection. Angela on the other hand has a really big wall up. Her self-righteousness lets her think she's already got it all figured out, and that everyone else is flawed.

I'm just trying to think of what kind of moment would get through to Angela and make her consider that she's not always right. I do love her, but in a way she needs to be knocked off her high horse, and I can't think of anyone or anything that would get through to her. Any thoughts?

I would like to show support for all Dwangela fans. I feel bad for Dwight. I really find his character great. Though he seemed so much happier with Angela as shown when they broke up well he was really hurt especially when Angela said she had never dated anyone in the Office.

She has occasionally had scenes that have shown a break in her facade. For example, when Oscar came back in The Return, she was feeling guilty and asked him to join the PPC nearly apologized.

Another one I love is the scene that got left out of Phyllis's wedding where she's talking to the vet who she has hit it off with. He asks her out, and after some misunderstandings, she says that she can't date him because she has an "intimate" relationship with another man. The man responds, "I'm sorry, Phyllis failed to mention your promiscuity"
I think a lot of us have been waiting for that moment for so long, it's a tragedy it got cut! She holds everyone else to her Christian standards but doesn't seem to have any issue with sleeping with a man she's not married to! I think this was a huge reality check for her- it was the first time she didn't live up to someone else's standards, and was called out on it. Something of this nature may have to happen again before she can look down from the pedastool she puts herself on.

aww BJB.. I hoped that someone would make this thread

poor dwangela

( poor me... now that angela is single agian...where is that man of mine??)

"So it looks like one of the strangest and sweetest couples on television is now on the outs."<br>
Are you serious?? "sweetest"??? Strangest, yes. Creepiest? Indeed. But sweet??? Egads, no.<br>
Angelfart is done, done, done. Or call them "Dwangela" if you absolutely must, for you folks who feel the need to make everything sickeningly cute (ugh!) . Greg Daniels said (before the season started) that at least one new triangle would develop this season. Sharp-eyed observers of Fun Run can put the pieces together.

Dwight needs help getting back Angela. He can't do it on his own, he lacks the skill, tact and experiencing with these sorts of issues.

But who does he turn to? Jim is the best choice, but he needs to 'get real' with Jim (as he's done on rare occasion). Wacky, cocky, self-assured Dwight may get pranked by Jim. Dwight needs to approach Jim as a friend and try to seek help.

Pam can talk with Angela, but I think Pam needs to come to grips with her own feelings for Jim before speaking with Angela. A wishy-washy Pam (Roy, then single, then Roy again, now Jim) would not pull any weight with Angela. But an honest committed Pam (I think I had feelings for Jim all along, and now I know I love him) may help melt that icey exterior of Angela.

What should Jim tell Dwight? He needs to tell Dwight that he must regain her trust.

Pam's advice for Angela? Dwight loves her very deepy, any problems can be worked out.

Yes, this also scares me. I keep thinking of all those vengeful things she had done to Andy (mainly in deleted scenes). She really can be vicious when she wants to be.



Rocker Creed, both of your posts were awesome!!! So, now we know the basics behind how Dwight needs to win her back, we just need him to figure out how and I still think he needs to somehow understand what he did was wrong and why it hurt Angela otherwise they'll keep running into this problem.



You bring up an excellent point, muffyduffy. Too bad it took Dwight leaving under unfair circumstances in order for her to do this. I hope it doesn't take something that drastic again.



I LOVE this scene, too!! It was so perfect and a shame that they couldn't run that story line (much better than the fart joke).



Uggh, another great scene. And I think you pinpointed why. It's because Dwight is so bullheaded, even in his love for Angela. I think that bullheadedness is what actually gives me hope. He's not going to give up so easily.

Beeswax, thanks for posting this scene, too:


It's actually a scene I've been wanting to break down since the episode aired. Because while I think Dwight is being really sweet and is really really trying, it just goes to show how much he just doesn't get it and despite trying to mask it, his view of animals is still very different here.

First off, he refers to the cat as a "replacement cat". It's a very cold way of referring to something that is supposed to fill the an affectionate void. To me it signifies that he doesn't understand that it's not necessarily a new cat that Angela needs, its the love, warmth, companionship and affection that she received from that cat that she wants. (Hmmm, this is making me think, she needs that now more than ever from Dwight, and for some reason he can't give it to her. There's anther scene I want to dissect from Fun Run later that has really been bugging me that refers to that)

Then Dwight still doesn't refer to Sprinkles by its name and describes it as "the one I destroyed". I don't know, something about the way he says that makes it sound like the cat was a machine or a toy. Again, it's a very cold way to look at a cat that was so beloved by Angela.

Finally, Dwight tries to "sell" the cat to Angela, not by its companionship abilities, but by its usefulness (much like a farm animal). He says the cat is helpful, youthful and killed a bunch of raccoons (something else I'm sure isn't very appealing to the vegetarian Angela). This is clearly not what Angela is looking for.

Still, Dwight is trying really really hard and by talking cute to the animal, it looks like he's trying to even get a glimpse into Angela's world, he just doesn't understand what he's seeing.

So, here's one QTP.

Is it possible to for Dwight to ever see animals from Angela's perspective? Does it really matter?


Ok, I'll be back later to talk about that 'one' scene from Fun Run, because that scene is really really bothering me and I really want to discuss it. And I need all of your help. Thanks everyone so much for participating. This is fun!

No. His view of animals is so completely different from Angela's that it would take a miracle for him to change his views.

What Dwight needs to do is to take 'animals' out of the equation and simply think of animals as something that Angela loves. He needs to learn to equate her love of animals with his love of Star Wars or Lord Of The Rings collectables.

Dwight and Angela are my #1 couple since they are not shown in their couple light that often, but when their coupledom is shown in bits and pieces it speaks volumes.



1. Is it possible for Angela to forgive Dwight? Can she forgive him, even if he never fully understands where she's coming from?

It will be possible for Angela to forgive Dwight but it wont be easy or soon. Dwight essentially killed off a part of her own self as Angela feels totally empty and can not even be in Dwights presence. Angela does not forgive easily. Example during The Convention when D & A were talking in the break room w/their backs to each other. Dwight was attempting to get her to understand that he needed to go as being an ARM, and Angela would not accept that and walked out of the room. But Angela does not forget easily either an example of Dwight going to Corporate to bring the tax forms in on time. Angela could just not help herself in her awe of Dwights awesomeness and had to psuedo give him kudos to Pam during their coffee run.

I think after Angelas time of mourning she will forgive him but still give him grief, guilt and jabs about Sprinkles being killed.


2. Is it possible for Dwight to figure out where Angela's coming from and feel complete remorse? Can he do this on his own?

Dwight is as complicated as Angela in the feelings department. I think Dwight thinks in black and white and never in the greys. It seem's Dwights interaction with domestic animals has been due to his family farm. On a farm there is always life and death in regards to animals and it becomes a way of life. As of yet we do not know if Dwight had a pet he was extremely close to. Considering he gave the feral barn cat the name Garbage

I think Dwight has more feelings for his bobbleheads than he does animals as he considers their worth very important. But once he gets how depressed and down Angela is a light switch may be flipped in his head. I think he may ask for some 'outside' help in dealing with Angela, be it Pam, Jim or Michaeal(w/o naming names).

3. For fun, let's say Dwight can't figure this out on his own, who is most likely to be some sort of catalyst? And how might it possibly go down?

See last sentence in #2's answer

All Dwight needs is a clue, which it seems he'll never have.

Thanks for the support rabidfrodo! Solidarity!




Those were great moments! Maybe they're setting us up for a Fancy New Angela?

But part of me also hopes that she isn't next in line for a Fancy New transformation. Angela's holier-than-thou routine is what makes her such a good fit with Dwight! If she did change too much (the same way Pam has done a 180) I'm worried that she would evolve beyond Dwight and wouldn't be a good match for him anymore.



Thank you so much for that breakdown BJB! As many times as I've rewatched the episode, I never really caught all the significance behind what they were saying to each other.



No to both questions. Dwight doesn't need to change his perspective on animals, and doing so wouldn't get her back. What he does need to do is understand why killing Sprinkles without her permission was wrong, and that her relationship with Sprinkles wasn't silly or trite (at least to her). If he can understand and communicate that, he doesn't need to change his perspective.

I really love both of your answers!! And RC, you are completely right. One doesn't need to understand Dwight's love of Star Wars or LOTR to appreciate that he just loves them . And QOE, I think you hit the nail on the head that Dwight needs to understand that her love for Sprinkles isn't trite. Wow! Thanks you guys!!

For New Office Thursday, here's a reminder of the good times in the past, and what we have to look forward to when they finally get back together:


Dwight: Huh. Do you like candy?
Angela: It's alright.
Dwight: Cause you're sweeter than candy.
Angela: What is wrong with you?



Angela: Hey!
(thank you Darth for the mini-vid)

Tonight Dwight wins her back, I just know it!

I hope they get back together soon! I like them as a couple, even though they are occasionally unkind to sweet Pam.

Awesome!! QOE!!

Here's a Dwangela Fanvid (it's good, not great): Cinnamon Lips

This is really terrible to suggest , but couldn't Dwight play on Angela cattiness to become more friendly with her?

Angela and Dwight run into each other in the break room.

Dwight is visibly angry.

Angela "What's wrong Dwight"
Dwight "It's that Kelly Kapoor, she never seems to do any work. It makes me so mad to see company time wasted"

lol.

Was that an intended pun?

Woah!! 500 Shrute Bucks for Muffy! Good eye!

I love sneaking puns into things.

That's the first thing I thought when you said that. I actually thought you were going to mention how Dwight could spoiler her with cat-like things (which he already tried to do with Garbage). lol


I want to say something. I'm all for Dwangela, but I think it would be great if they were apart for a while, and the show didn't focus too much on them trying to get back together. I'd like to see the writers focus on developing some new things with other characters. With that said...

Maybe a break is really what Dwight and Angela need? They seemed great together, but it seemed (to me at least) that they didn't really understand each other very well. This will help them to get a better understanding of each other, and once that happens, they'll be able to have a much more successful relationship.

^^^ Scotty, are you trying to hurt me? I know, you just want to keep Angela single long enough so you can have a shot with her. Well guess what Mr. Skater? You can not have her. Her heart already belongs to a beet-farming, karate-practicing, potato gun-weilding, bobble head-collecting, Michael Scott-lovin', authoritative salesman. So there. :wink:



Okay, in all seriousness, part of me agrees with you scotty. The should not get back together again any time soon. Looking back at their best moments, it seems to me like most of the affection was a one way street: heading from him to her. I know not all of it, I'm just saying most of it, and that's not good in any relationship. They may have been different in private, but I don't think so. He was never shy (clumsy, yeah, but not shy) about showing his desire and affection for her, while she insisted on keeping things private to the extreme. After all he was forced to quit instead of their relationship being discovered! The balance of power was totally off. So when they do get back together, their relationship should be more equal, with her giving him just as much affection as he deserves. Without Angela handing out her affection and approval in small doses like she normally does.

Wow. Lot's of developments.