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10/17/2007 (10:00PM - 10:59PM) (Wednesday) : A BIZARRE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES BINDS FOUR PEOPLE TOGETHER IN A SITUATION THAT TAKES FRIENDLY NEIGHBORS TO THE EXTREME - When one man ends up dead in his own home, the hunt is on to find his killer. Crews (Damian Lewis) and Reese (Sarah Shahi) interview each of the neighbors who all have their own theories as to who the killer is. Crews then stumbles upon a homeless man who had several of the dead mans personal belongings on him. The homeless man, who swears he's innocent, is taken into custody as a precaution and Crews and Reese continue to search. They go round and round in circles until finally they realize the neighbors are conspiring together to cover up the murder. After Crews asks Constance Griffiths (Brooke Langton) to drop a client she's just started working with, she confronts Crews about the feelings they have for each other. Adam Arkin also stars.
DamianLewisFan
I really liked this episode. I think my favorite would have to be the last scene when Charlie was looking at the lttle girl's physch file and at het art therapy pictures..the look on Damian's face was so clearly portrayed! It was shock and wonder I think.

I liked the scene with Charlie and his lawyer..can we say hot?!?

I liked also how Charlie and his partner worked both the suspects, very well played out.
gurufly
Yup, great show. Terrific ending. Hearing the voice over after the screen went dark had a huge effect. Very well done.

(Just the opposite of some of the rushed and under-emphasized Journeyman endings.)
Paradoxfox93420
The jump-off-the building clip gave me a vertigo rush. I yelped like a girl. LMAO. And as I pointed out in the theories thread I think they gave us a HGUE clue as to rachel's identity there at the end...

I think crews knows!

And no the scene with the lawyer was not hot. It made her look pathetic. Which she isn't. I personally think that has to be the only bad scripting I've seen yet. Read like a trashy romance novel.
danial54
The retired detective that investigated the murder that put Crews away is a drunk. Interesting....something bothering him? Me thinks so. Also loved the rest of the episode. I think we will see more of the actor/charicter that Crews helped out.
Remember....he used to play Darrol on the Bob Newhardt Show? Very funny.
vbarkley
I loved when Easley said to Crews, "You oughta grow more trees outside, boss. Give you privacy. Nobody'll see you when you kill Ted." rolling.gif
Broken1
I loved this episode and yes we got alot of clues tonight about Crews case, and no I did not like the Lawyer scene at all. but over all I really love this epi I give it a 9/10.

oh and I was so waiting on the line "this is my brother Darryl and this is my other brother Darryl" Loved Larry on Newhart
atticboy
Man, those pictures Rachel drew creeped me out! I'm still awake because of them
CinnamonGirl74
Tonight's episode, "What They Saw," was, by far, my favorite! The writing was clever & funny. I loved the character of Easley & I hope he makes many return appearances. I thought the dialogue and scenes flowed together much more smoothly than they have in the past, too. It's one of those shows where I don't want the hour to end & it seems to have just flown by too quickly!

That being said...I'm gonna vent now, but it's solely out of love, of course!

1) I don't like the lawyer character, Constance (although I think the actress, Ms. Langdon, is obviously very beautiful & talented). She's been coming across too flirty & needy towards Charlie ever since Episode #1, and the dialogue she was given tonight barely made any sense! It was pure drivel. It wouldn't bother me so much if she weren't...hello!...MARRIED to some phantom husband who she obviously has no intentions of divorcing. So, her coming-on to Charlie & then making him feel bad for trying to do the honorable thing by resisting her, in tonight's episode, just made her come across as manipulative & untrustworthy. Even taking on a shady new client seemed premeditated by her in order to get Charlie to worry & to check up on her. But, perhaps that's what the writer's wanted us to pick up on? Maybe she has more to do with Charlie getting thrown into jail than we think. Perhaps, she was really obssessed with him, in the past, & she set something up to both ruin his marriage & to seemingly "come to his rescue", later on? I don't know. But, if the writers are trying to get me to cheer on a romance between Constance & Charlie, I'm not, because there doesn't seem to be any potential for growth. I'd MUCH, much rather see something bloom between Charlie & Dani. They have great chemistry! I think a lot of other fans feel that way, too.
2) My only other "pick" has to be over the retired investigator seeming to have an entire old case file being kept in his home, as his own property. What the heck? I'm pretty sure cops aren't allowed to keep those things. Pretty confidential stuff...belongs to the police dept....probably kept in locked file cabinets & record vaults...that whole deal. Anyone else find that strange? And, also, why didn't the investigator complain, or seem shocked, that Charlie was just sitting there in his living room, after seeming to have just let himself into the investigator's trailer? I mean, isn't Charlie court-ordered not to go near that guy? That was also very unexplicable, to me.
Okay, okay...so no more picking! If anyone wants to respond to my opinions, please feel free. Maybe you could help me understand a few things? But, those critiques aside, I really DO feel that "Life" kicks-*** & I can't wait to see more of it! I hope that ALL of the viewer's comments are looked at and considered by the writers. I think it's great that shows in this day and age can have this kind of instant connection with their audiences and I hope they take advantage of it!
Good night, all!
gurufly
It was great near the beginning when Crews says "you just called me partner" and Reese says "no I didn't." He says a quick "yes you did," she gives another "No I didn't," and he asks a random officer "Did you hear her?" and they cut away. That reminded me of a brother/sister banter. Funny stuff.
fortyeightpark
QUOTE (danial54 @ Oct 17 2007, 11:17 PM) *
I think we will see more of the actor/charicter that Crews helped out.
Remember....he used to play Darrol on the Bob Newhardt Show? Very funny.


I was actually going to pitch a ***** about their seemingly heavy use of good character actors with relatively poor material to work with who end up coming across Simpsonesque (a la Robert LaSardo's Maldito) before I saw this show precisely because I did recognize the actor playing Easley and recalled his body of work... But I have to say that his role was mostly well written. Mostly... The hotel room fire, well, that was just kind of goofy. I still give the technique mixed reviews overall.
fortyeightpark
QUOTE (VBARKLEY @ Oct 17 2007, 11:23 PM) *
I loved when Easley said to Crews, "You oughta grow more trees outside, boss. Give you privacy. Nobody'll see you when you kill Ted." rolling.gif


That was a good bit of script. Charlie's - "What do you have up there, a Costco?" was also strong. Cudahy's "She's doing me pro bono. Did she do you pro bono?" was not as strong, but it still made me chuckle.
fortyeightpark
QUOTE (CinnamonGirl74 @ Oct 18 2007, 04:18 AM) *
That being said...I'm gonna vent now, but it's solely out of love, of course!

1) I don't like the lawyer character, Constance (although I think the actress, Ms. Langdon, is obviously very beautiful & talented). She's been coming across too flirty & needy towards Charlie ever since Episode #1, and the dialogue she was given tonight barely made any sense! It was pure drivel. It wouldn't bother me so much if she weren't...hello!...MARRIED to some phantom husband who she obviously has no intentions of divorcing. So, her coming-on to Charlie & then making him feel bad for trying to do the honorable thing by resisting her, in tonight's episode, just made her come across as manipulative & untrustworthy. Even taking on a shady new client seemed premeditated by her in order to get Charlie to worry & to check up on her. But, perhaps that's what the writer's wanted us to pick up on? Maybe she has more to do with Charlie getting thrown into jail than we think. Perhaps, she was really obssessed with him, in the past, & she set something up to both ruin his marriage & to seemingly "come to his rescue", later on? I don't know. But, if the writers are trying to get me to cheer on a romance between Constance & Charlie, I'm not, because there doesn't seem to be any potential for growth. I'd MUCH, much rather see something bloom between Charlie & Dani. They have great chemistry! I think a lot of other fans feel that way, too.


I can't stand Constance for most of the same reasons you've mentioned and then some (the character's name even irritates me), and she strongly came across as condescending and manipulative to me after last night. What was interesting to me is that when Constance discussed at the start of the show that she worked with Charlie for 4 years, that means that she met Charlie at more or less the same time as Charlie met Ted. When she goes on in the same episode to say to Charlie that Ted is a thief and that it is a bad idea to have him managing Charlie's money, well, that was kind of holier than thou, particularly when she follows that by asking him to have an affair with her. The way I read it, Charlie didn't seem to be encouraging her to stay with her husband so much as saying he wanted her without any strings attached - uh, get a divorce, lady. If Constance does do a fair bit of work pro bono, I wonder where the money for her practice comes from? Her husband, perhaps?

And I have to come out as being very anti a Charlie/Dani pairing a la Jam. I think having a shared passion for their job, rather than each other, is definitely the way to keep it. I'd rather have them explore trust than lust.
Guest123
Another great episode!
I...just...love...this...show.
Reese is slowly beginning to appreciate Crews, and his sleuthing abilities...and they are working more as partners now.

I was curious about the way that they got the confessions out of the two culprits, though.
I'm no lawyer....so I was wondering if the things that they got them to say would stand up in court?


QUOTE (VBARKLEY @ Oct 17 2007, 11:23 PM) *
I loved when Easley said to Crews, "You oughta grow more trees outside, boss. Give you privacy. Nobody'll see you when you kill Ted." rolling.gif

I know! I loved that one too. rolling.gif

QUOTE (48park @ Oct 18 2007, 08:58 AM) *
That was a good bit of script. Charlie's - "What do you have up there, a Costco?" was also strong. Cudahy's "She's doing me pro bono. Did she do you pro bono?" was not as strong, but it still made me chuckle.

Those were good ones too. laugh.gif

And also:
"Cupcakes?"
"Aww...I just bought this suit."
"What's that smell?"

I love the humor in this show.
And Easley provides the potential for being a good source of one-liners, so I hope they bring him back in future episodes.
William Sanderson is always good. Loved him other things...like Blade Runner and Deadwood.

Constance?....I didn't know she was married. I don't think that she won points with Charlie, by coming onto him while she's still married.
If she's unhappy with her husband, she shoulda dumped him first...and then declared her feelings to Charlie.
I think that it will be hard for Charlie to forget that she did this.
That was a pretty hot scene....until I learned that she was married....then, I lost some respect for Constance.
scififreak718
again, awesome episode.

I loved the montage at the begining of the episode.The song was great.Does anybody know the name of it? The banter between charlie and reese when she called him his partner was fantastic. I also liked it when charlie and eastwood first met and charlie chased the man up the tree and then said something like you don't throw toasters at the LAPD.

I also liked the "They don't know that we know that they know" scene, it reminded me of the friends episode when they found out about monic and chandler. The divide and conquer technique was nicely executed also.The funniest part was when charlie was going through the list and then said the 40 caliber gun and then spelt out the word gun.

so the prosecuting lawyer knew that rachel had seen who murdered her parents? I guess that would explain the reason why he started to drink near the end of the court case. He knew he was convicting an innocent man. Talk about conspiracy theories. I hope charlie finds rachel. After reading her file, he would probably be the only one who would be able to help her get over what happened.
vbarkley
QUOTE (48park @ Oct 18 2007, 09:14 AM) *
And I have to come out as being very anti a Charlie/Dani pairing a la Jam. I think having a shared passion for their job, rather than each other, is definitely the way to keep it. I'd rather have them explore trust than lust.
Nicely put.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty low of Constance to basically tell Charlie she wants a commitment, but won't leave her husband unless she has one. He's not in a place where he can commit to any woman in an intimate way. Except to Dani, as his partner.
fortyeightpark
Can somebody tell me what the deal was with James' eyebrows? Those were disorientingly shaped. And the "cupcakes"? Charlie loves fruit, and the nickname they arrived at for the girls was "cupcakes"? That did not click for me.

In addition to Dani's own problems with substance abuse, it seems quite likely her father was a functioning alcoholic after watching her manage Easley. The rotation of Ames' alcoholism, Dani's substance abuse issues, and Ted pushing Charlie to turn his liquor license into another go at a bar after, as Charlie points out, the last bar he ran got somebody killed and him sent to prison also seems somewhat heavyhanded.

Was it me, or did there seem to be something more to or off about the homophobia thread - the cop, followed by the security guard, followed by Drew Borns saying his wife was homophobic... What what what? That they spent less than 5 minutes on what would have been an improbable hate crime at best and then made the rest of the Sans' lives, well, not really even much of a story line, it didn't hold together well for me. I recall from Tear Asunder the minute they spent theorizing that the somewhat loner Eddie "doesn't play for any team" now seems more in context - Drew Borns seemed very similar...
vbarkley
Yeah, I wasn't sure if the writers were trying to be funny or not when Ted was making the presentation to Charlie about the bar, and Easley kept saying about all the drink suggestions, "Too fruity."
fortyeightpark
QUOTE (VBARKLEY @ Oct 18 2007, 10:10 AM) *
Yeah, I wasn't sure if the writers were trying to be funny or not when Ted was making the presentation to Charlie about the bar, and Easley kept saying about all the drink suggestions, "Too fruity."


I definitely thought "fruity" was a joke, particularly with Chesty McChesterton the "simulated" waitress on screen... How about calling the place "Melons"?
Guest123
QUOTE (48park @ Oct 18 2007, 10:20 AM) *
I definitely thought "fruity" was a joke, particularly with Chesty McChesterton the "simulated" waitress on screen... How about calling the place "Melons"?

rolling.gif

Yeah, 'Hooters' has already been taken. rolling.gif
sarahsparrowmrs
QUOTE (scififreak718 @ Oct 18 2007, 09:56 AM) *
again, awesome episode.

I loved the montage at the begining of the episode.The song was great.Does anybody know the name of it? The banter between charlie and reese when she called him his partner was fantastic. I also liked it when charlie and eastwood first met and charlie chased the man up the tree and then said something like you don't throw toasters at the LAPD.

I also liked the "They don't know that we know that they know" scene, it reminded me of the friends episode when they found out about monic and chandler. The divide and conquer technique was nicely executed also.The funniest part was when charlie was going through the list and then said the 40 caliber gun and then spelt out the word gun.

so the prosecuting lawyer knew that rachel had seen who murdered her parents? I guess that would explain the reason why he started to drink near the end of the court case. He knew he was convicting an innocent man. Talk about conspiracy theories. I hope charlie finds rachel. After reading her file, he would probably be the only one who would be able to help her get over what happened.


hahah i know i remembered friends tooo!!!!
BionicWomanSucks
OK as for Charlie getting access to all the files, Ames having the file hidden in his place etc...let me just tell you that my dad was a cop and I hung out with a lot of cops growing up in southern California. Trust me if you have a badge you can pretty much get a copy of any file you want. There are so many favors going back and forth that anything can happen.
The whole Ames thing really has me going...my original thought was Ames was used by his superiors and fed bad information to make him go after Crews. That once he found out Crews is really innocent he would come around to Crews' side and help him find the real killers...so much for that theory. Now that I see the pictures the little girl drew, you have to know Ames saw them too and knows Crews is innocent. Maybe he is drinking so much because he feels guilty about going so hard after Crews only to see the pictures months later and realize he screwed up. OR maybe he was drunk when he was investigating the crime scene and screwed something up and now is just covering his ***. Either way my original prediction about Ames is shot to **** lol.
By the way...I am glad Ames got a bottle out of that cabinet instead of a .38 like I thought he was going for.
Other little items...did anyone else think it was odd that Ted didn't argue at all about Easley saying that Constance says he is a thief? I mean yeah he is a thief, but still he said nothing. Also like another poster on here pointed out, Constance started working on Charlie's case at about the same time Ted went to prison...could there be some Zen connection there? Did Ted rip off Constance? I dunno, might be a stretch, but who knows at this point.
I agree the Constance character really took a blow by that lame attempt to get Charlie to nail her right there on her desk. (I know I hate it when hot married women put me on the spot like that, so I really felt for him) She really cheapened herself.
Best line of the whole show - "what do you got a costco up there?"
Got_Fruit
QUOTE (VBARKLEY @ Oct 17 2007, 11:23 PM) *
I loved when Easley said to Crews, "You oughta grow more trees outside, boss. Give you privacy. Nobody'll see you when you kill Ted." rolling.gif


hahahahaha! That was a great line!
I am ready to kill Constance. She had no right to be like that to Charlie. Whether he had a right to ask her not to take a case? Well they are more intimate than just attorney/client, given their history, so who knows. I fell asleep and missed the last ten minutes last night so I watched the end this morning on Tivo. WOAH!!! He was in the cop's house!!!!??? I thought for sure he was going to pull a gun out of that cabinet. I think the cop was already drunk too. I love this show!!!

I abolutely love Charlie and Dani together. She rocks! The whole bit about whether or not she called him her partner or not was hilarious. Actually the whole scene with Charlie getting Easley out of the tree. That was great!

Cheers all! Can't wait for the next episode:)
Artemisia
QUOTE (Got_Fruit @ Oct 18 2007, 09:08 PM) *
I am ready to kill Constance. She had no right to be like that to Charlie. Whether he had a right to ask her not to take a case? Well they are more intimate than just attorney/client, given their history, so who knows.


I think Charlie telling her NOT to take that case is just good advice: That guy is NOT innocent (as he claims), but guilty - and Crews can tell.. so it isn't suitable for Constance, working for the LA Chapter of the Innocence Project.
LegZoff
They need to do better than this. My problem is they have so much going on in this show that it is hard to keep up with what is happening. By the end of this episode I still wasn't positive about who had committed the murder. We have to jump from the murder investigation to Crews' love life to details about tthe conspiracy against him and then back to the investigation and the whole thing is exhausting. I have to wonder how many viewers have been turned off by all the jumping around.

I want to like this show, but some simplification might help. And it wouldn't hurt for Reese to smile once or twice an episode. She's about as much fun as a headache.
natraj
Ok, so perhaps I'm a bit dense about these things. But I just watched the last available online episode -- the one in which Crews and his partner solve the murder with the help of the homeless man. Can someone please explain to me what happened at the end between Crews and his lawyer? Did she suggest that she would no longer work with him, as he spurned her advance? I think the chemistry between the two of them is fantastic, and I'd be disappointed if she were leaving the show. (If that is indeed what is happening.)

Also, Crews suggested that she's married right... and that was his rationale for not having an affair with her, correct?
zzetta13
I’m putting this up quickly before I have to go. This concerning the episode of “Life” dealing with the homeless guy living behind the home of the gay couple. That particular eps has gotten me confused or maybe Mr. Crews is the confused one. He starts out visiting his lady lawyer trying to sway her to get rid of her next client. This leads to seem as if he has a fixation on her. He does it more than once, then at the end of the eps he does a reverse when she confesses that it’s he she wants. What’s up with that?

Z
Guest123
QUOTE (natraj @ Oct 23 2007, 04:03 PM) *
Ok, so perhaps I'm a bit dense about these things. But I just watched the last available online episode -- the one in which Crews and his partner solve the murder with the help of the homeless man. Can someone please explain to me what happened at the end between Crews and his lawyer? Did she suggest that she would no longer work with him, as he spurned her advance? I think the chemistry between the two of them is fantastic, and I'd be disappointed if she were leaving the show. (If that is indeed what is happening.)

Also, Crews suggested that she's married right... and that was his rationale for not having an affair with her, correct?



QUOTE (zzetta13 @ Oct 24 2007, 07:03 AM) *
I’m putting this up quickly before I have to go. This concerning the episode of “Life” dealing with the homeless guy living behind the home of the gay couple. That particular eps has gotten me confused or maybe Mr. Crews is the confused one. He starts out visiting his lady lawyer trying to sway her to get rid of her next client. This leads to seem as if he has a fixation on her. He does it more than once, then at the end of the eps he does a reverse when she confesses that it’s he she wants. What’s up with that?

Z


I'm thinking that it has to have something to do with Charlie's wife dumping him when he was in jail.
We get the impression that she didn't believe in him....that he was innocent.
And then she served him with divorce papers in prison.
Then she got remarried fairly soon afterward.
This had to have left a mark.

Charlie has a strong sense of right and wrong.
I think that Constance fell from grace, a bit, in Charlie's eyes...when she let herself come onto him.
She's married.
I think that the way Charlie looks at it is.....she shouldn't be 'testing the waters' with some other man, until she leaves her husband.
And then when he sort of rejected her, and she said that he was "still in prison"....well, that was a low blow.

This is just my take on it.
JonnyRich
QUOTE (48park @ Oct 18 2007, 10:02 AM) *
Can somebody tell me what the deal was with James' eyebrows? Those were disorientingly shaped. And the "cupcakes"? Charlie loves fruit, and the nickname they arrived at for the girls was "cupcakes"? That did not click for me.

In addition to Dani's own problems with substance abuse, it seems quite likely her father was a functioning alcoholic after watching her manage Easley. The rotation of Ames' alcoholism, Dani's substance abuse issues, and Ted pushing Charlie to turn his liquor license into another go at a bar after, as Charlie points out, the last bar he ran got somebody killed and him sent to prison also seems somewhat heavyhanded.

Was it me, or did there seem to be something more to or off about the homophobia thread - the cop, followed by the security guard, followed by Drew Borns saying his wife was homophobic... What what what? That they spent less than 5 minutes on what would have been an improbable hate crime at best and then made the rest of the Sans' lives, well, not really even much of a story line, it didn't hold together well for me. I recall from Tear Asunder the minute they spent theorizing that the somewhat loner Eddie "doesn't play for any team" now seems more in context - Drew Borns seemed very similar...



The reference is due to the girls selling "Cup Cakes" you will see several pink boxes arround and some of the actual cakes on the floor there is also fruit ;-)
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