vbarkley
Oct 14 2007, 01:34 AM
A LEGENDARY WAR STORY SOLVED—During a family outing, Dan (Kevin McKidd) finds himself alone with Zack (Charles Henry Wyson) when he feels a strong headache coming on. Dan travels back in time and begins tracking an ex-army ranger who hijacked a huge sum of money for a good cause. On the home front, Katie (Gretchen Egolf) answers questions from the police after a robbery happens the night of her gala. Meanwhile, Dan entices Hugh (Brian Howe) with the prospect of getting a big break on a war story. Reed Diamond also stars.
Show Cast: Kevin McKidd, Brian Howe, Gretchen Egolf, Moon Bloodgood, Reed Diamond, Charlie Wyson
Guest123
Oct 22 2007, 10:21 PM
Wow.....great episode.
But, ack! So many frustrations.
Poor Dan, getting pulled away on a time-trip when he was with little Zach.
Twice!
And the second time, Dan didn't even know Zach was watching.
I don't know if it's a good thing, or a bad thing, that Zach saw Dan disappear into a time warp flash.
But I'm kinda glad that it happened.
Now his son will understand more about his daddy having to disappear sometimes, instead of thinking that his daddy doesn't love him.
That conversation with Langley was cryptic.
I'm thinking that Langley wasn't buying the "I'm writing a book" excuse that Dan told him.
Some of the things that Langley said were....very specific. As though he knew more than he was letting on.
How is Dan going to launder that money?
He can't just spend it, can he?
They can start giving us some answers any time now.
It's okay....we can handle it.
Just a few? Please?
Or are they trying to frustrate us to death?
Dan getting to see his father was a little weird.
He hadn't seen him since he was seven? Did I hear that right?
gurufly
Oct 22 2007, 10:35 PM
Langley was cryptic, but clearly knew more about things than he let on. Right from the beginning when he "stopped by" Dan's office. The questions he asked, the answers he gave. He pretended not to believe in time travel "unless I'm shown proof" as if leaving an opening for Dan to share things. Very clever of Langley, but Dan seemed to catch it and played it coy. Dan's Dad knew him with regard to "the shuttle testing".........when time travel was inadvertently discovered? Also, Langley said time travel would be "powerful," to which Dan said he "guessed so" because Dan has a good heart and hasn't thought that way. Langley? Not so.
His son seeing his "magic" seems like a good thing. For now, until he gets too curious, anyway. My initial reaction when his son saw him leave was OMG!
Tremendous episode.
Rood_Inverse
Oct 22 2007, 11:00 PM
Another all-around awesome episode. Elliot Langely is officially one creepy dude, though.
And I loved the part where his son saw him disappear. I was like, YESSSS!
wiil
Oct 23 2007, 12:11 AM
Great show tonight it' was cool for his son to go like that
great one tonigt
Undernet01
Oct 23 2007, 01:10 AM
Was a pretty interesting Intro tonight, haven't seen the rest of the Episode yet.
shaunomacradio
Oct 23 2007, 01:13 AM
If your just watching now, the episode only gets better
Zephyr40k
Oct 23 2007, 01:46 AM
Excellent episode, like the others. Some random thoughts:
I like how they got all the old cars right in the flashback scenes. They even got their hands on an old MUNI bus from the 70's, complete with the old paint job! THAT brought back some memories for me....
Did anyone see in the newsroom (modern), they showed a corner of a screen that had a logo sort of like CNN but different? I wonder if that's significant. They lingered on it for several seconds.
My bigest question was, if they were going to do a DB Cooper style tie-in, why did they not just use DB Cooper, instead of inventing some new legend? The time frame works well, the geography works out (close enough), and the story fits. Is the "DB Cooper" name somehow copywrighted?
The fellow from Livermore was kinda weird. Livermore is a Department of Energy lab where they design nuclear weapons. Nothing related to NASA or particle physics. They should have had the fellow come from Lawrence Berkeley Lab (particle physics) or NASA Ames Research Center (in Mountain View). Not that the Space Shuttle has anything to do with tachyons. And there never was a "Space Shuttle Prototype," unless you count the Enterprise, which was a full-scale mockup used for atmospheric testing in the seventies. But the Bay Area never had anything to do with the Space Shuttle. Then again, I suppose that's just dramatic license.
All in all, an excellent episode. I can't wait to see next week's episode. Looks like they may tap into the Unabomber mythos next.
shaunomacradio
Oct 23 2007, 02:33 AM
Langley said he knew Dan's father when Langley worked for NASA..
That was on last week's episode
pbnk
Oct 23 2007, 03:08 AM
good ep tonight.
i thought dan was going to return the $ to capt. rick
BobL
Oct 23 2007, 05:42 AM
Love the episode, finally the viewer is getting some insight into how the writers are going to make this credible...if too much frustration from Katie and Jack when Dan leaves without explanation, I'm afraid the show will seem thin and too unbelievable.....if that makes sense!

I really like this show...if the writers can keep the quality and some level of credibilty.....just enough to keep us hooked!...
BobL
Oct 23 2007, 05:43 AM
..oh yea...I loved that his son saw him....and that Dan saw his Dad....really great episode!!
penor33
Oct 23 2007, 07:02 AM
What I can't figure out is why Katie would leave Zack alone with his father to go chase the cheese man.(lol)
You know what Dan does,you know he has no control over it why leave your son with him alone for even a second? It amused me that she was upset with Dan for leaving their son.
The_Office_future_guest_star
Oct 23 2007, 09:02 AM
QUOTE (Rood_Inverse @ Oct 23 2007, 12:00 AM)

Another all-around awesome episode. Elliot Langely is officially one creepy dude, though.
And I loved the part where his son saw him disappear. I was like, YESSSS!
Me too I have been wanting his son and wife to actually SEE him go for a while, I mean that is the ultimate explaination! I kept saying "let your son see you go" when he was about to dissappear near him.
geotank
Oct 23 2007, 09:45 AM
QUOTE (penor33 @ Oct 23 2007, 07:02 AM)

What I can't figure out is why Katie would leave Zack alone with his father to go chase the cheese man.(lol)
You know what Dan does,you know he has no control over it why leave your son with him alone for even a second? It amused me that she was upset with Dan for leaving their son.

She was upset but she did say we had a lapse of judgement. It wasn't like she ran off and bam he went. He should have caught up to her and said hay honey.... i might have to leave at any moment remember?!?!?!? and when it did happen she would be there.
Now my question is if his son saw him leave why didn't anyone in the newspaper room notice the big flash of light?
lzvzz7
Oct 23 2007, 11:13 AM
Nobody mentioned the fact that it looks like Dan is going to lose his job. That story on Dylan McCleen looked like the way his boss was going to redeem him and save him from getting canned and then Dan backed away from it...
Of course that would leave Dan open to work for mr. mysterious from Livermore who commented there could be a lot of profit in a man with Dan's abilities.
nbctvnut
Oct 23 2007, 11:43 AM
I like the show but the latest (episode 5 - Dylan) seemed like a letdown for me. Here's my reason
1. Livia didn't reveal anything significant beside the fact that she said she doesn't have her own family. It seems the writers are still formulating her own background. I maybe wrong, but please just give us a little bit more development. Does she even still love Dan? Why can't they explore this more.
2. Dr. Langley, the scientist who knew Dan's dad and was doing research on tachyons came out as just a male version of Livia. He seems like another mysterious guide who seems to be restraining himself from revealing more information at the present time.
3. The money, why did Dan keep the money and even spent it for himself? Are we taking moral liberties now? Is the gambler in him returning?
Tvfanatic3314
Oct 23 2007, 11:51 AM
Another entertaining episode. Lets keep it as long as we can.
lzvzz7
Oct 23 2007, 12:26 PM
QUOTE (nbctvnut @ Oct 23 2007, 11:43 AM)

3. The money, why did Dan keep the money and even spent it for himself? Are we taking moral liberties now? Is the gambler in him returning?
What would you have liked Dan to do with the money? Give it to charity? He didn't want to interfere in the man's life by writing a story about him, imagine the trouble if he took the money back... and how would he explain that he hadn't changed a bit since the 70's?
I think Dan is going to need the money because I think he's very shortly to lose his job at the paper.
How is there a moral ambiguity involved in this and what does gambling have to do with it?
McClellanKid
Oct 23 2007, 02:01 PM
Charles Henry Wyson ROCKED last night! His understated portrayal of Zach and his spot-on reactions to Daddy disappearing in a blue flash were a revelation in such a young actor ... and his on-screen rapport with Dan is beautiful to watch. I can't wait to see how this thread of the show develops.
shaunomacradio
Oct 23 2007, 02:08 PM
QUOTE (lzvzz7 @ Oct 23 2007, 12:26 PM)

What would you have liked Dan to do with the money? Give it to charity? He didn't want to interfere in the man's life by writing a story about him, imagine the trouble if he took the money back... and how would he explain that he hadn't changed a bit since the 70's?
I think Dan is going to need the money because I think he's very shortly to lose his job at the paper.
How is there a moral ambiguity involved in this and what does gambling have to do with it?
Or he will simply freelance at the paper..Hugh looked disappointed..
Guest123
Oct 23 2007, 03:16 PM
Yeah, I agree that Dan is probably going to need that new stash of 'mad money'.
But they will need to launder it somehow....because of the serial numbers?
Maybe not, I don't know what the statute of limitations is on 'extorting money from an airline'.
Dan's boss had an ominous look on his face, after Dan killed the story.
The camera lingered on him as Dan walked away.
And there was that scene about the paper losing money, so.....yeah, it looks like Dan may be getting laid off.
Do we know how much money that was that Dan came back with?
I didn't hear a figure.
There was that mention of "$12,000" that was found in the other guy's pockets....but we don't know if that matches what Dan got, because that could've been after they changed jackets.
lzvzz7
Oct 23 2007, 03:39 PM
I don't know why but 50K sticks in my mind for some reason. But 50K isn't even going to pay the mortage on that house for a year in SF, so he better figure out something quick.
nbctvnut
Oct 23 2007, 04:41 PM
QUOTE (lzvzz7 @ Oct 23 2007, 12:26 PM)

What would you have liked Dan to do with the money? Give it to charity? He didn't want to interfere in the man's life by writing a story about him, imagine the trouble if he took the money back... and how would he explain that he hadn't changed a bit since the 70's?
I think Dan is going to need the money because I think he's very shortly to lose his job at the paper.
How is there a moral ambiguity involved in this and what does gambling have to do with it?
I have a feeling the money will play a role in the coming episodes with the investigations of the store robbery and all. Katie's surprise look says it all. They can't just hide so what will they do with with it? The gambling thing is because Dan is a recovering gambler. He seemed all pumped up when he was showing Katie the stash as if he just won a game and is ready to use it for some more. But we'll see in future episodes. Returning the money wouldn't have been difficult since the moneys marked and could easily be identified by FBI as the ones stolen even if its been 32 years ago.
geotank
Oct 23 2007, 05:32 PM
I was hopeing Lt. Richie was dead then he could have run the story and saved his job and the paper.
Journey_Man
Oct 23 2007, 11:19 PM
I think that money he got from the solider is going to be help him when he goes back in time. Liva had to pay for him when he ordered that hot dog and she told him to bring some currency for the past but he said that Katie and him looked into it, it was to expensive.
vbarkley
Oct 23 2007, 11:45 PM
I wonder if he goes back in time to before the hijacking, if he could invest the money. If he puts it in the market, and gets out before 9/11, he could make a crapload of dough.
whitemotel
Oct 24 2007, 06:16 AM
what did Elliot Langley mean about "do you validate"?
thanks
Jnta
Oct 24 2007, 07:33 AM
QUOTE (whitemotel @ Oct 24 2007, 06:16 AM)

what did Elliot Langley mean about "do you validate"?
thanks
He was referring to parking. Does the newspaper office pay for visitors' parking? It was a joke.
StylMagnolia
Oct 24 2007, 08:08 AM
Each new episode is better than the last. I can't wait for Monday nights. I like this better than Heroes because I feel it has lost the spark it had last year. We run around like nuts trying to get chores completed while watching Heroes with one eye so we can sit down and focus on Journeyman. Then on Tuesday watch again - just because we can

I hope NBC keeps this show - I can't stand Chuck, Life, Bionic Woman
whitemotel
Oct 24 2007, 08:58 AM
QUOTE (Jnta @ Oct 24 2007, 07:33 AM)

He was referring to parking. Does the newspaper office pay for visitors' parking? It was a joke.
yeah, thats what i figured...he just had a serious look when he said that...
Samuel_L_Chang
Oct 24 2007, 10:17 AM
I think the 50k will be useful to Dan in the past and that's why he has it. So what if the serial numbers are tracked? He's not going to be around for long and it's great lunch money. But it can get him into trouble if someone thinks he stole it from the liquor store. [...]
At first I thought he'd lose his job and have to make money time traveling by investing in Microsoft in the past. But now I think Dan's boss at the paper is too good a character for that - unless he follows Dan after the firing.
I really like the complexity and tension between characters, even in these early episodes. This show is not disappointing. Here's my hypothesis of where this is all going: Langley is a good guy who put Dan in this journeying situation on orders from his father. Jack Vasser will turn out to be one bad dude, and will probably find out what's up with Dan and use it for evil.
Becky__J
Oct 24 2007, 10:09 PM
Not sure if this belongs in this post, but I'm going to post it here anyways. What I don't get is for the role of Dan's father why did they use the actor from the 4400? Couldn't they find a different actor that wasn't already on a current show.
gurufly
Oct 24 2007, 10:30 PM
"Returning the money wouldn't have been difficult since the moneys marked and could easily be identified by FBI as the ones stolen even if its been 32 years ago."
Some people are talking as if he can zoom into the past whenever he wants. That's not the case at this point. He can't return the money whether he wanted to or not.
TTOamy
Oct 26 2007, 05:56 PM
What did everyone make of Livia's response to Dan's complaints about leaving his family at inconvenient times? Do you think she has her own family out there somewhere? I am real curious as to what her role in all of this is, and it has become a bit frustrating that they won't give us any hints. I know that they are not going to reveal all, but it is five episodes in so they need to give us something. I wonder why Dan isn't more insistent with his questions for Livia. Dan is awfully accepting of what is suddenly happening to him. I am also curious to know what happened to Dan' father and whether he is/was a time traveler. All in all, though, this show gets better with each episode.
Guest123
Oct 26 2007, 06:39 PM
Other questions....
Did Dan ever meet her parents?
(Most people who are engaged, meet each other's parents.)
Or her brothers/sisters?....If she has any.
Do her parents think she died in that plane crash?
One way of looking at it:
Having Livia be so vague and evasive saves the writers from having to create a lot of side-details which would take up valuable time and cut down on the scenes for the main story.
But still, it would be nice to know more about Livia.
Jnta
Oct 26 2007, 06:58 PM
QUOTE (TTOamy @ Oct 26 2007, 05:56 PM)

What did everyone make of Livia's response to Dan's complaints about leaving his family at inconvenient times? Do you think she has her own family out there somewhere? .
I posted this in another thread. Thinking back to the conversation that Dan overheard between Livia and Katie regarding pregnancy scares and Livia's comment about not knowing if she was cut out for motherhood; her "tell me about it," response to Dan's saying that the trips were taking a toll on his family life, and her hesitation before answering no when he asked if she had a family; I'm starting to think that whatever time zone Livia's now living in, she's not alone. Dan might just have another child in addition to Zack, which make an already complicated situation even more difficult.
vbarkley
Oct 27 2007, 01:40 AM
QUOTE (Jnta @ Oct 26 2007, 06:58 PM)

I'm starting to think that whatever time zone Livia's now living in, she's not alone. Dan might just have another child in addition to Zack, which make an already complicated situation even more difficult.
Ooooh, wouldn't that be sneaky! Great insight.
TTOamy
Oct 27 2007, 08:43 AM
QUOTE (Jnta @ Oct 26 2007, 06:58 PM)

Dan might just have another child in addition to Zack, which make an already complicated situation even more difficult.
Wow. I think that is a little too complicated for my tastes. I really like Katie and Dan together so while I like the angsty part of their relationship, I wouldn't want that big of wedge placed between them. But you're right, I see other hints like Dan really wanting to have another child and Katie not being all that into it.
But back to this episode, I think almost everything in it will come back to "haunt" Dan. The investigation of the liquor store robbery will no doubt continue, and I think the money will somehow play a role. The interaction with Dan's father and the scientist will be connected, and I think reveal some facts about Dan's time traveling. Zack now thinks Dan is magic, so oyu just know that will come up just when Dan and Katie do not want it to. Finally, Dan may have to find present day McCleen in order to save his job. We will see both the scientist and McCleen again I think.
Guest123
Oct 27 2007, 12:23 PM
QUOTE (VBARKLEY @ Oct 27 2007, 01:40 AM)

QUOTE (Jnta @ Oct 26 2007, 06:58 PM)

I'm starting to think that whatever time zone Livia's now living in, she's not alone. Dan might just have another child in addition to Zack, which make an already complicated situation even more difficult.
Ooooh, wouldn't that be sneaky! Great insight.
Yes! Good thought. And at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers did this to us.
That would be torture for poor Dan....because, if this other child exists, it might be living in a different time period.
Bearlo
Oct 29 2007, 11:21 AM
My only complaint is that Dan is not pressing Livia for more information about this whole time travel issue. If I was Dan that would be my first priority. He knows Livia understands more about it. She keeps saying "that's not how it works". Dan should be asking.."well how does this all work?"
Also..on a tangent..I watched the last show from nbc.com and wanted it in closed caption. Anyone know if there is a way to do that?
Thanks..in advance..
Guest123
Oct 29 2007, 12:07 PM
QUOTE (Bearlo @ Oct 29 2007, 11:21 AM)

My only complaint is that Dan is not pressing Livia for more information about this whole time travel issue. If I was Dan that would be my first priority. He knows Livia understands more about it. She keeps saying "that's not how it works". Dan should be asking.."well how does this all work?"
I know. It's frustrating. I hope they give us some answers soon.
QUOTE (Bearlo)
Also..on a tangent..I watched the last show from nbc.com and wanted it in closed caption. Anyone know if there is a way to do that?
Thanks..in advance..
Uh, yeah....there's a think to click, to the right of the screen....trying to remember what it's called....'Viewing Options' or something like that.
You get the captions, but they are out to the side, in a separate screen...not at the bottom of video.
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