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vbarkley
So the story goes, that back at Stanford, senior year (although the CC says sophomore), Bryce found copies of tests under Chuck's bed, and turned him in for cheating. Consequently, Chuck was tossed out of school. So, who framed Chuck? Who put the tests there? Was it Bryce? If it was someone else, why did Bryce turn Chuck in? When did Bryce turn bad, or was he always bad? Was he really bad at all? Was Sarah really in love with him? Why was he in possesion of all the government secrets? Who killed Bryce, and what specifically did they want?

And why did Bryce email the secrets to Chuck?
deadbeat
Here is my theories....

I think we are going to find out that Chuck was used to test Bryce's honesty before he was recruited into the CIA (or something like that). Would he turn in a friend for cheating, YES! It also might have been the girlfriend that Bryce 'stole' framing Chuck and enticing Bryce to join the spy ring. Bryce was obviously a perfect candidate for the this business, so he was recruited.

Now, once Bryce became a spy, he probably found out that Chuck was set up and he was the cause of Chuck's downfall. Bryce could have also found out about the evil Doctor, or someone even higher, was just waiting in the wings to gather all of the merged data off of the intersect computer. To protect the country, Bryce stole the secrets and sacrificed his life to send them to the only person he felt he could trust.

So, Bryce only appeared to be rogue, he was actually heroic. Casey was too quick to pull that trigger for my tastes, (Bang... don't move), but I think that was just Casey's natural enthusiasm for the more violent parts of the job. I am basing my opinions totally on how much Chuck and Sara seem to have liked Bryce and on the fact that Bryce sent the information to someone outside of the Biz... that would mean he couldn't trust anybody on the inside. If he was in it for the money or to hurt the country, he probably would have sent it elsewhere. It was intentionally sent to Chuck because it started with part of the game that they invented together, so I don't think Bryce was truly bad. Just my theories.
Guest123
QUOTE (deadbeat @ Oct 14 2007, 08:50 AM) *
Here is my theories....

I think we are going to find out that Chuck was used to test Bryce's honesty before he was recruited into the CIA (or something like that). Would he turn in a friend for cheating, YES! It also might have been the girlfriend that Bryce 'stole' framing Chuck and enticing Bryce to join the spy ring. Bryce was obviously a perfect candidate for the this business, so he was recruited.


This is very good!
There has to be a reason why they gave us the tidbits about: Chuck's college girlfriend, Bryce 'stealing' the girl, Chuck getting kicked out for tests under his bed.
And you've tied them all together really well.

I would only add this:
The girlfriend was there, at Columbia, for the sole reason of scouting/recruiting young talent.
She played up to young Chuck to gain access to Bryce. [Weren't they roomates?]
She is the one who put the tests under Chuck's bed, where they would be easily found.
She is the one who turned Chuck in for cheating....but then engineered it so Bryce would be the ones to find the tests.
Bryce didn't 'steal' the girlfriend....that is simply what she led Chuck to believe.


QUOTE (deadbeat)
Now, once Bryce became a spy, he probably found out that Chuck was set up and he was the cause of Chuck's downfall. Bryce could have also found out about the evil Doctor, or someone even higher, was just waiting in the wings to gather all of the merged data off of the intersect computer. To protect the country, Bryce stole the secrets and sacrificed his life to send them to the only person he felt he could trust.


Yep.....again, very good!
And I think that the fact that Chuck is a computer-whiz had something to do with why Bryce chose to send the file to him.
Bryce wouldn't know that Chuck's home computer would have a meltdown.
So he probably figured that Chuck would know how to hide the file in an ingenious way.


QUOTE (deadbeat)
So, Bryce only appeared to be rogue, he was actually heroic. Casey was too quick to pull that trigger for my tastes, (Bang... don't move), but I think that was just Casey's natural enthusiasm for the more violent parts of the job.

Agreed.
Casey is a well trained killing machine, and seems to enjoy his work.
He was told that this was a bad guy by his superiors, so.....Bang!....no questions asked.


QUOTE (deadbeat)
I am basing my opinions totally on how much Chuck and Sara seem to have liked Bryce and on the fact that Bryce sent the information to someone outside of the Biz... that would mean he couldn't trust anybody on the inside. If he was in it for the money or to hurt the country, he probably would have sent it elsewhere. It was intentionally sent to Chuck because it started with part of the game that they invented together, so I don't think Bryce was truly bad. Just my theories.

And good theories, too.
I agree, I don't think that Bryce was truly bad.
If he was, then why send the big important secrets to Chuck, of all people?

Another reason for sending it to Chuck:
Chuck was set up & framed, in college....right?
Maybe Bryce was trying to send the message that he was set up & framed too?
deadbeat
Yep, I like it. The girlfriend from Stanford used Chuck to get at Bryce. Also, if Bryce really was a rogue agent he would not have sent the data to Chuck. Now, what I don't understand is how he expected Chuck to protect the data.
Guest123
QUOTE (deadbeat @ Oct 15 2007, 12:09 AM) *
Now, what I don't understand is how he expected Chuck to protect the data.

Eh....yeah....me either.
I'm hoping that someone who knows more about computer stuff than I do will jump in here and give some possiblities on that. rolleyes.gif
AliasSpy
All very good theories guys. I sense some fellow law students on the forums... dry.gif
Anyho, you all pretty much took the words right out of my thoughts. These were the same brain storming assumptions that I were thinking of. I ultimately hope that Bryce Larkin isn't dead because I truly enjoy the actor, Matthew Bomer. He was excellent in abc's Traveler (which sadly got canceled) and I think just for the brief intro of the Pilot, he performed really well & again I would love to see him back.

But the only way that I could see him being able to fake his death is if Casey was in on it as well an knew of something that his superiors didn't know. So he staged Bryce's murder to protect Bryce. The only thing that could construe that up or either disprove that is the situation that Casey is in right now with both Chuck & Sarah. It would be just an entire front....
vbarkley
According to the IMDb, Matthew Bomer is only listed in the Pilot episode. That's not to say he won't be back. I think it would be cool for him to show up in a year or 2, and Sarah would have to choose between Bryce and Chuck. (She'd choose Chuck, of course) tongue.gif
PontiusPython
QUOTE (VBARKLEY @ Oct 18 2007, 01:47 AM) *
Sarah would have to choose between Bryce and Chuck. (She'd choose Chuck, of course) tongue.gif


Hmm... interesting. I love the idea you've raised.

I think I'd actually prefer that she choose Bryce in that scenario, though. I know I'm gonna be hated for this one, but I don't want Sarah & Chuck to get together. Sexual tension always lends itself better to television than actual coupledom does. When your main characters finally hook up, it tends to kill a series.

Besides, I'd like to see Chuck forced to try to find some good in Bryce so that he doesn't have to feel such disapproval of Sarah's choice. Thus keeping his idea of her intact; hoping that she'll realize her mistake & return to him.
doug_porter
I think Bryce had Chuck expelled from Stanford for his own protection. I think Bryce was CIA already when he was a senior with Chuck. I also think Chuck's girlfriend was a bad agent sent to get to Bryce. Once Bryce found out I think Bryce knowing he couldn't tell Chcuk who he became, I think Bryce sacraficed his friendship with Chuck for his protection. I think Chuck was also the only person Bryce trusted enough with his secret (I made a reference to Bryce being a part of a group who discovered lies in the intersect in a previous thread) becuase he had no ties with the government.
Guest123
QUOTE (VBARKLEY @ Oct 18 2007, 01:47 AM) *
According to the IMDb, Matthew Bomer is only listed in the Pilot episode. That's not to say he won't be back. I think it would be cool for him to show up in a year or 2, and Sarah would have to choose between Bryce and Chuck. (She'd choose Chuck, of course) tongue.gif


I would love it if Bryce/Mathew Bomer came back in some way.
That one scene that we got to see him in was....intense....and it was what initially hooked me on this show.
Sarah would have a tough decision to make, Chuck or Bryce. I would hope that she chooses Chuck.
Kensingtonevil
Something I didn't think of until reading this topic is, what reason could Bryce -or anyone for that matter- have for wanting Chuck kicked out of Stanford? What benefits are there to getting Chuck kicked out of school? And who really benefits? He isn't a threat to anyone. Unless they may have both been under consideration for the same job with the CIA and Bryce found out about it and wanted to discredit Chuck. If not, then I agree that Bryce may have actually been trying to protect Chuck.
doug_porter
Well it looks like our answers will be revealed next week. I am so excited for the ep. I can't wait to know why Bryce did what he did.
AliasSpy
Yep it gets revealed next week. Im wondering though if it seems a lil too soon to know why just yet.... :|
LoneGungirl
Has it been speculated whether the return of Bryce is in flashback or in realtime? I was thinking flashbacks only - scenes from college days, teasing a possible realtime return.
Danyu
Yeah, it definitely looks like all/most of our answers will be revealed by the end of episode ten according to the episode descriptions. I need to find something to keep my mind busy until Monday.
chuckluver
Hello all,

I have wondered since the pilot why Bryce chose Chuck. I think I have an idea now. As Laslo told Chuck in Sandworm, you must be a prodigy or have a special talent to be needed by the "Company". Chuck does and Bryce knew it. He has a perfect photographic memory. He recalls incredible detail about things he has come across in his work and life. He knew about the cameras in the Wookie episode and noted the change in the frame of the artwork in Tango. Bryce knew that when he saw the info he would retain it all. A human hard drive. I think he also knew that Sarah would hunt him down due to their partnership.

Anyone this I am off base on this one?


Chuckluver
gambitarchangel
QUOTE (chuckluver @ Nov 3 2007, 12:10 PM) *
I have wondered since the pilot why Bryce chose Chuck. I think I have an idea now. As Laslo told Chuck in Sandworm, you must be a prodigy or have a special talent to be needed by the "Company". Chuck does and Bryce knew it. He has a perfect photographic memory. He recalls incredible detail about things he has come across in his work and life. He knew about the cameras in the Wookie episode and noted the change in the frame of the artwork in Tango. Bryce knew that when he saw the info he would retain it all. A human hard drive. I think he also knew that Sarah would hunt him down due to their partnership.


Well, he obviously thought that there was something "special" about Chuck. I mean, why would you send all this info. to a man you betrayed and haven't seen or spoken to in 5 years? Of course we still don't know what Bryce was trying to do. He stole all the NSA and CIA government secrets, sent them to Chuck but in a way the CIA and NSA have the secrets back through Chuck. What did he expect Chuck to do with them?
Onepz
QUOTE (Guest123 @ Oct 22 2007, 04:11 PM) *
I would love it if Bryce/Mathew Bomer came back in some way.
That one scene that we got to see him in was....intense....and it was what initially hooked me on this show.
Sarah would have a tough decision to make, Chuck or Bryce. I would hope that she chooses Chuck.



Chuck - Episode 1.10 - Chuck versus The Nemesis

HE’S BACK! —MATTHEW BOMER GUEST STARS— It’s Thanksgiving and Chuck’s (Zachary Levi) nemesis, Bryce Larkin (Matthew Bomer), returns to his life after being ruled dead earlier in Chuck’s life. Secret internal committees trying to destroy the “intersect,” now better known as Chuck’s brain, saved Bryce in hopes he would be able to help them locate it. Bryce needs Chuck to help prove to Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski), Casey (Adam Baldwin) and the rest of the CIA that he is not rogue. Upon seeing Bryce and Sarah back together, former lovers and partners, Chuck grows jealous and doubts any future with Sarah. Meanwhile, Buy More is prepping for the biggest shopping day of the year and Morgan (Joshua Gomez) is left in charge to ensure all runs well. Sarah Lancaster and Ryan McPartlin also star.

Show Cast: Zachary Levi, Yvonne Strzechowski, Joshua Gomez, Adam Baldwin, Sarah Lancaster

Source: NBC



So yes people bryce larkin is coming back for real at episode 10
chuckluver
Hello all,

I had an idea about why Bryce would send the database to Chuck. Chuck seems to have an uncanny memory. He remembers technical info on security cameras way too good and can quote the Wrath of Kahn word for word according to Morgan. So Bryce knows he has a photographic memory from Stanford and sends him the info coded on a video game riddle only he will know how to access. Basically, he dumps the database to a human hard drive. He knows that Sarah will go after the info because she will want to atone for his "rogue" behavior and thus the info will be cared for by two people he trusts. This is all the more important when Casey shoots him and he thinks he is dead. The big question is who was he trying to hide the information from in our government. Could it be the NSA director? She seems awfully willing to kill Chuck when the replacement intersect comp is back up. That would be far to obvious to me though. I am sure they are dropping some clues on these questions as we go.

Love the mystery mixed with comedy and romance. Super show. Hope they don't cancel it like Fox did Firefly.
RogueSpy
The Bryce mystery is the greatest one of all and pretty much Bryce is the true star of the show...not Chuck.

Well we saw tonight the motives of Bryce for turning Chuck in, an excellent one at that. Now does this still make Bryce Rogue??? We shall see.
gambitarchangel
QUOTE (RogueSpy @ Nov 6 2007, 02:34 AM) *
The Bryce mystery is the greatest one of all and pretty much Bryce is the true star of the show...not Chuck.


Yeah...okay. rolleyes.gif *note the sarcasm*
RogueSpy
Well its pretty much true. The show started out with Bryce as the opening and his mystery of tying Chuck into the mix was the centerfold for the entire storyline to sum it up. tongue.gif
Matt_777
Everyone seems to be forgetting something in posts I have seen on the board in regard to Bryce. After the last episode we realize he had good intentions and Chuck almost seems to forgive him despite it not being said outright. Chuck even says it must have torn Bryce up to never have been able to tell him.

If Bryce cared so much about Chuck, why did he steal his girlfriend? It seems like this has been forgotten the last couple episodes and focus has been pushed on the Stanford cheating incident instead. I'm not 100% but I feel like it was implied somewhere Chuck was still with whoever this chick was when leaving school (I could be off but I vaguely remember having this impression a couple episodes ago). Anyway this means Bryce stole her after he had Chuck kicked out of school. If he had felt so bad about getting Chuck kicked out it seems odd he would rub salt in the wounds he inflicted by doing such.

Anyone seeing more into this than I am at the moment? Am I missing something or was this simply ignored in the back to Stanford episode?
gambitarchangel
They haven't explained Jill yet. She was mentioned at the end in the Chuck/Bryce flashback though. I imagine she will pop up some day.
RogueSpy
I believe Bryce stole Jill from Chuck in an attempt to thwart her off somehow from Chuck. For what theory? The only way I could see it is that Jill must of been a double agent or someone trying to hook up with Chuck to only kill him or to gain insider information from him to sell secrets to another agency or country. Maybe she knew of Chuck's abilities and wanted to exploit it somehow, and Bryce caught on to it....and side tracked Chuck....

Whats your thoughts?
crzybill
Well we haven't seen Jill as of yet, but I got a suspicion we will. Could she be from another country, and be just that, a spy?? Maybe. I don't think so because they met in college. I was thinking that she was also recruted into the CIA, and that she might be asked to bring Chuck in. Bryce saw this and seduced her to remove the link.

An older theory I had about Jill is that Sarah=Jill. I'm still failing to see how that would have worked though. Chuck would have recognized her, she would have recognized Chuck, that sort of thing.
Axistech
One theory is also that Jill was getting close to Chuck to help bring him into the CIA, or because of the capability of his brain possibly cause him harm? Maybe Bryce stepped in to help his friend. I don't know, but it will be interesting to find out. I'm very curious about the whole Jill thing.
chuckluver
First off, we have been given less information about the Bryce/Jill thing that almost any other plot point. What do we know now?
1) Bryce introduced Chuck to Jill before he was recruited to CIA
2) Chuck was crazy about her and Bryce obviously knew this.
3) Bryce "stole" from her from Chuck.

What we don't know is when Bryce and Jill got together and why.

I think it is safe to assume this happened after he was kicked out. I say this because he was blindsided by Bryce's treachery. If Bryce had already taken his woman, he would not have been so surprised. Second, Chuck tends to be very trusting and forgiving. Bryce taking his girl after getting him kicked out would be what it would take to get Chuck to hate him.

We may get some insight into the Jill thing in episode 10 but it looks very full already. From the episode synopsi we also see that Bryce is not in the next two episodes. So whatever happens in episode 10 Bryce is out of the picture in the short term.

Anyone seen something else that I missed? Let me know.
theocfan2
The biggest secret of all is revealed next week during "Chuck Vs. The Imported hard salami". Im sure it's Bryce in the freezer thing in the trailer..
deadbeat
Ewwww. We don't need a dead frozen guy to turn up in a deli... :-)
RogueSpy
Well like I said in another thread, if you watch the previews for next week again, note that they show Bryce already. He's not the guy in the carcinogenic freezer thing; that to me looks like it could be an A-Bomb, or perhaps some bio-hazard that could become air born.
Bryce was quickly shown when we see "the guy" smirking while closing the trunk. He had grungy hair/unshaved and was wearing some dark jump suite. I believe that was Bryce....it certainly looked like him. Watch it again and see what I'm referencing.
bbud148
@ rogue

I didn't see his face, can you send me the link of where you saw the preview and at what time you saw his face?
RogueSpy
QUOTE (bbud148 @ Nov 13 2007, 04:43 PM) *
@ rogue

I didn't see his face, can you send me the link of where you saw the preview and at what time you saw his face?

Certainly. Be on the look starting at -11 seconds.

http://nbcchuck.wordpress.com/
gambitarchangel
You know, I paused it and it doesn't really look like him. At least I don't think so.
bbud148
QUOTE (RogueSpy @ Nov 13 2007, 10:14 PM) *
Certainly. Be on the look starting at -11 seconds.

http://nbcchuck.wordpress.com/


I didn't catch it- the only close up i saw was Sarah's face.
sharp_as_a_marble
QUOTE (chuckluver @ Nov 12 2007, 12:43 PM) *
I think it is safe to assume this happened after he was kicked out. I say this because he was blindsided by Bryce's treachery. If Bryce had already taken his woman, he would not have been so surprised. Second, Chuck tends to be very trusting and forgiving. Bryce taking his girl after getting him kicked out would be what it would take to get Chuck to hate him.


Interesting stuff.

I agree that Bryce taking Jill likely happened after Chuck's expulsion; Chuck obviously was blind-sided by Bryce's framing of him. However, I think Chuck already had plenty of reason to hate Bryce; that's why Bryce said goodbye the way he did. I suspect Bryce taking Jill happened for another reason.

One possibility is that Bryce wanted to ensure Chuck had absolutely no reason to come back to Stanford. That's a bit of a stretch, as the CIA's interest in Chuck would likely have been killed by his expulsion.

Another possibility is that Jill is somehow in the business. She didn't show up in the recruiting files for the CIA, but that doesn't preclude her working for the NSA, FBI, or some foreign agency. He may have wanted to keep Jill from dating Chuck so that she didn't recruit him.

A final possibility is that as good a guy as Bryce seems to be for getting Chuck kicked out of Stanford (wow, that was weird to type), maybe his character is more complex than that. Maybe he always wanted Jill, which could have interesting repercussions if Bryce ever became a full-time character.

I can't buy the idea that Sarah is actually Jill. That would kill Sarah's character for me, as lately Sarah has been in denial over her feelings for Chuck and Jill would be fully aware of her feelings. Besides, naive as Chuck is, I expect Chuck would notice something to tip him off, massive plastic surgery or not.

I suspect we won't find out much about Jill this season. Jill seems like a nice fly-in-the-ointment to introduce down the road after Sarah and Chuck get closer to having a relationship (or even after one starts). Feels like a Season 2 wrinkle to me.
Canadian_Chucky
QUOTE (RogueSpy @ Nov 13 2007, 04:36 PM) *
Well like I said in another thread, if you watch the previews for next week again, note that they show Bryce already. He's not the guy in the carcinogenic freezer thing; that to me looks like it could be an A-Bomb, or perhaps some bio-hazard that could become air born.


This is somewhat likely at this point. Theres no reason they can't tie in the 'code guy' (from the Truth episode where Chuck said he was 'bad') into the show. He worked with nuclear stuff.

Then again, they could be keeping Bryce on ice. smile.gif
chuckluver
QUOTE (sharp_as_a_marble @ Nov 15 2007, 04:03 PM) *
A final possibility is that as good a guy as Bryce seems to be for getting Chuck kicked out of Stanford (wow, that was weird to type), maybe his character is more complex than that. Maybe he always wanted Jill, which could have interesting repercussions if Bryce ever became a full-time c

I suspect we won't find out much about Jill this season. Jill seems like a nice fly-in-the-ointment to introduce down the road after Sarah and Chuck get closer to having a relationship (or even after one starts). Feels like a Season 2 wrinkle to me.


I agree Marble. I think if not for the strike the Jill issue might have been planned for the back 9 episodes as they call them. I also think that just as Bryce is coming back to create a wedge between Chuck and Sarah so will Jill be used at some point.

I can't seem to let myself give Bryce a pass on the expulsion thing. It will not surprise me to find out at some point that Bryce is a double agent and that he sabotaged the "Omaha" project not to help Chuck but at the orders of whoever he works for. The problem with this idea is that Bryce sent him the intersect. Is it because he trusts him as we are led to believe or is it because he thinks he can manipulate Chuck to still accomplish his goals?

As Sarah said Chuck is not wrong often.
chuckluver
Ok before I post this I know I know that I need to get help for my addiction. Maybe we can have group therapy.

That being said, I was re-watching the pilot and saw that I could read some of the names on Bryce's PDA as he was scrolling through.

Here is what I was able to glean. Some of the email addresses were very hard to read and may not be totally correct.

Zulu Seven @osp01.com
Red Dawn @redawn.com
Chinocasino @highrollers.org
Jill @mailroom.com
Tango Five @imfsectret.org
Little Longhorn @cornerzone.net

missed some in this area

Orange corruption
Cracker Bits @snacktime.net
Alpha Two @zpha.net
The Bandage @laband.com
Hairy Chicken @awol.gov
Tired Chicken @lps.com
Delta Charlie @sts.gov
Swiss Cheese @UH12.net
Zulu Commander @v9.msk
Terrance ? maybe B. @imfsectret.org
Deadly Forrest @V9123/ca.gov
Robin Egg @robinegg.com
Beta Charlie Four @oppcenter.gov
Jester Court @meet035.gov
Buckles @shymail.net
Blank Space here @shymail.net

In the scene where he is shot there is another closeup of the PDA.

Some of the same names are present. But a few more are visible this time without email addresses seen.


Early Mourn
The Unholy One
Florence H.
Sarah Y.
Kooks Allied
Victor Nine

Interesting to note that these are mostly code names. Jill is not a code name.
Which is Chuck? Buckles or the Blank space?
Which is Sarah?

I think that something here will come back up in the future.I do not think we would have been given the closeup otherwise.

Just thought I would post it and see if any of you guys can slow the film down enough to get more of the info.
bbud148
I looked at these names myself, but I felt that they were just nonsense because the names seemed significant.

But I also have that addiction you have, Chuckluver, and if anyone could determine the meaning of the names here and maybe a pattern, we could make some predict accurate predictions about the future of the show and Bryce.
Axxe428
QUOTE (sharp_as_a_marble @ Nov 15 2007, 04:03 PM) *
I can't buy the idea that Sarah is actually Jill. That would kill Sarah's character for me, as lately Sarah has been in denial over her feelings for Chuck and Jill would be fully aware of her feelings. Besides, naive as Chuck is, I expect Chuck would notice something to tip him off, massive plastic surgery or not.


There's no way this can be true. Even with plastic surgery, a person's face can only be altered so much before it begins to look fake (a la Michael Jackson). Also, in the pilot, Sarah genuinely acted like she had never met nor seen Chuck before. If she was Jill, soemthing would have tipped Chuck off, as was previously stated before.

Now, the reason Bryce sent Chuck the INTERSECT was obvious after vs. the Alma Mater. According to Chuck's professor, he got a 98% on his subliminal messages test, proving that his ability to see and retain embedded images was unparalleled. He was the only person that the INTERSECT information could have been reliably transmitted to. I am very interested in why Bryce did what he did. According to the synopsis of a future episode, Bryce returns and asks Chuck to help him convince the CIA that he was not a rogue agent, that there was a very good reason for him destroying the INTERSECT. My personal opinion is that it has to do with someone who was unhappy about the CIA/NSA partnership and wanted the information shared between the agencies destroyed. What is everyone else's opinion on this?
gambitarchangel
QUOTE (Axxe428 @ Nov 18 2007, 07:01 PM) *
There's no way this can be true. Even with plastic surgery, a person's face can only be altered so much before it begins to look fake (a la Michael Jackson). Also, in the pilot, Sarah genuinely acted like she had never met nor seen Chuck before. If she was Jill, something would have tipped Chuck off, as was previously stated before.


Yeah, I can't see Sarah being Jill. In 'Chuck vs. the Tango.' when Chuck talked to her about how he got kicked out, she genuinely didn't seem to not know what happened. She asked him if he really did cheat. In 'Chuck vs. the Wookie,' she seemed quite surprised during the board game that Bryce was Chuck's "most hated person ever." If she were Jill, I would think she would be aware of all this.
crzybill
Like I said, it was an old theory, and I couldn't work it out. It makes more sense bringing her in later as a monkey in the wrench for the Chuck/Sarah relationship.
sharp_as_a_marble
QUOTE (Axxe428 @ Nov 18 2007, 07:01 PM) *
I am very interested in why Bryce did what he did. According to the synopsis of a future episode, Bryce returns and asks Chuck to help him convince the CIA that he was not a rogue agent, that there was a very good reason for him destroying the INTERSECT. My personal opinion is that it has to do with someone who was unhappy about the CIA/NSA partnership and wanted the information shared between the agencies destroyed. What is everyone else's opinion on this?


There are three general possibilities:

(1) Somebody gave him orders that led him to do this. (Maybe Bryce works for some secret internal agency rather than just the CIA?)

(2) Bryce acted alone. That almost has to mean that he thought the Intersect would fall into the wrong hands (whatever that means to Bryce).

(3) Bryce didn't really act alone (which could actually fit in with option [1]). Given any of Bryce's partners would have surfaced by now (you'd expect them to know who Bryce would/might send the intel to), the only viable candidates are Sarah and Casey.

The last one is a bit of a mind-bender. If it's just Casey, we'd have to buy into the idea that Bryce wouldn't care if Sarah were killed: Casey was telling his drones that they could take her out. But it would explain how Bryce gets incapacitated by Casey yet survives to fight another day.

There's really nothing stopping Sarah from being in on the scheme. It's never really explained how Sarah knew who had the Intersect data in episode 1: we saw how Casey got involved, but Sarah just seemed to show up at Chuck's apartment ahead of Casey (although her boss seemed to know what she was doing). She could think Bryce is dead and still be carrying out their plan, which would include getting Chuck to trust her.

Or what if both Sarah and Casey were in cahoots with Bryce, but they don't know about the other?

Just some ramblings. Thoughts?
chuckluver
Good ideas Marble

I agree that Bryce must either be 1) acting alone or 2) in a conspiracy. If it is the conspiracy is it organizational or smaller. I had not really gone so far as to think of Casey or Sarah being involved with Bryce.

I do not think Sarah is involved. I think she was given info by the CIA director to hopefully snatch the data before NSA. He seemed to be giving her time in the pilot to get the data before Casey could get there but tried to call her back to DC after the silly Ninja scene.

Casey on the other hand is another story. Bryce knew Casey by name when he was shot in the Pilot. It would also help explain why Casey so glibbly killed Bryce when it was stated by the CIA director that he was supposed to bring him in alive. That would keep Bryce out of CIA/NSA hands for interogation. That would also mean exactly what you said. Bryce was willing to sacrifice Sarah. It would also make a nice double twist since it does seem that Chuck is growing on Casey. He seems to respect him more and more each times he shows some savvy and/or balls. We could carry this line of thought out to ridiculous extremes so I will stop here.

One sure thing...We are being set up for a big plot twist. It happens in every good mystery.

Second topic.

The guy closing the trunk is not Bryce as best I can tell. I froze the frame and feel quite sure of this. He looks exactly like the dude Chuck is doing shots with when Lou is with him. Smuggler I believe.
Canadian_Chucky
Based on info up to the current epsiode (vs Truth), the following seems quite obvious.

1. As mentioned above in this thread, Bryce picked Chuck because hes the only person (that he knew) that could hold the Intersect data.

2. Sarah is not Jill. Won't even consider this one as there as so many impossibilities at this time.

3. Bryce 'could' be working alone. It is feasible that he stumbled upon a plot within the CIA/NSA organizations that would force him to work alone. Can't trust people if you don't know if they are in on it. (Not even your spy girlfriend *Sarah*).

4. Bryce would send info to someone that he knows is NOT in the organizations, by simple fact of having personally ensured that they (the person being sent the Intersect) were removed from potentially joining (i.e. Chuck) any government organization previously.

5. At this point, Casey is simply doing his job.

6 From a viewer standpoint, Casey's NSA boss could be in on it, as she did give the order to kill Chuck AND Sarah when the new Intersect is up. Sarah only received permission to shoot Chuck if he ran from her. While both boss orders are acceptable, the NSA one is strange in the fact that he is supposed to kill a fellow agent. If he got this order now, as they are more involved (Chuck.Sarah), I could understand it (if it was worded to state kill her if she gets in way). It is more logical to assume that the NSA wants no loose intersect 'ends'. Besides, it easier to control one piece of machinery, then it is to protect/control a civilian 'do-gooder', especially if your the bad guy. smile.gif
treydog
Sending the Intersect to Chuck because he is capable of containing/interpreting the data. I also wonder if Bryce isn't playing an even deeper game regarding Sarah.... They were obviously involved as more than partners (Pilot and Wookie make that clear), but we don't know where that relationship was at the time Bryce blew the Intersect. Sarah (echoing Chuck's words to Lou and Ellie) says the Bryce situation was "complicated." Yes, that's a weasel-word, but it may also be true.

So now for the leap- Bryce is obviously brilliant, cares enough about Chuck to keep him from being recruited (even if it means crushing his chances at Stanford), and can recognize what others need.... So maybe one of the "wheels within wheels" he set up was to push Sarah and Chuck together. He had to know she would follow up on the case, with or without orders, and that would bring them together. He blew up the Jill relationship for the same reason as he blew up Chuck's college career- to save him. And maybe he "sent" Sarah as a way of saying "Here is a girl who's right for you....even if she might hurt you physically."

Don't know- do love to watch- pass the popcorn.
chuckluver
I agree that the Casey and Bryce thing is far fetched. I do think something that we never thought would happen will happen from a general mystery writing standpoint.

Secondly, I am gonna retract what I said in an earlier post. I looked at another trailer and got a better look at the guy closing the trunk. He is not the dude with Lou and Chuck. That guy had no beard. I am no longer sure about whether that is Bryce or not. I froze the frame and put it side by side with a screencap from Ep 1.1. Still not sure. We will have to see tonite.

Third, I agree with points 1 thru 4 as solid. #5 is likely but not proven.

#6 Interesting but almost to obvious. Gen. Beckman is a hard A$$ but not the villion IMO. I do not recall her ever saying explicitly that Sarah was to go down as well. He could kill Sarah in the pilot but whether that order is still in effect is unclear to me. In 1.2 Casey said what about Chuck and Beckman said you do what you do best. Not sure a kill order was put on Sarah in that scene at least. If Beckman gave another kill order did tell me what episode I need to look at.
ChuckC73
QUOTE (treydog @ Nov 19 2007, 09:32 AM) *
Sending the Intersect to Chuck because he is capable of containing/interpreting the data. I also wonder if Bryce isn't playing an even deeper game regarding Sarah.... They were obviously involved as more than partners (Pilot and Wookie make that clear), but we don't know where that relationship was at the time Bryce blew the Intersect. Sarah (echoing Chuck's words to Lou and Ellie) says the Bryce situation was "complicated." Yes, that's a weasel-word, but it may also be true.

So now for the leap- Bryce is obviously brilliant, cares enough about Chuck to keep him from being recruited (even if it means crushing his chances at Stanford), and can recognize what others need.... So maybe one of the "wheels within wheels" he set up was to push Sarah and Chuck together. He had to know she would follow up on the case, with or without orders, and that would bring them together. He blew up the Jill relationship for the same reason as he blew up Chuck's college career- to save him. And maybe he "sent" Sarah as a way of saying "Here is a girl who's right for you....even if she might hurt you physically."

Don't know- do love to watch- pass the popcorn.


Agreed. Bryce also knew Sarah enough to know that she would be loyal to the agency up to a point but would also make the right decision if they ordered her to do something against her conscience.

I'm not completely sure I trust Casey, but I do love his sense of humor. Especially when he pushes people in the face.

Chuck
sharp_as_a_marble
I probably could have been more clear in my post: I'm not convinced that either Casey or Sarah is/was working with Bryce. I ended up with that as a possibility after asking the following:

What could Bryce hope to accomplish with his actions if he was working alone? He seemed very satisfied that he accomplished what he wanted to accomplish when Casey shot him. But all he did was destroy the computer (that would be rebuilt in six months) and put his old friend (whom he fought to keep out of the CIA at one point) in danger with no warning or explanation. We're left with the desperate agent who is content that his old friend will do right with the Intersect data after he is shot. Unless the Intersect was imminently to fall into enemy hands, nothing is solved, and even then there's only delay. That doesn't add up for me. To me, that leaves that Bryce is working with somebody.

If Bryce worked with any other field agents, they should have known where he was sending the information ... so they should be part of the story at this point. That would only leave Casey or Sarah by process of elimination ... unless one of the Buy More guys is actually a spy, which is fun to think about but almost impossible to believe. (I would have to vote for Anna here.)

Nothing that Sarah or Casey has done to this point is necessarily inconsistent with them being involved. Then again, nothing really points to them being involved, either, except for a couple of potentially subtle things (e.g., Bryce surviving Casey's bullet wound, Sarah fighting for Chuck's trust from day 1, etc.). Casey being a burn-out could indicate disillusionment with what the agency is doing (and be the perfect internal cover from being suspected of working with Bryce), while Sarah was obviously close to Bryce, which could indicate a similar thinking. I'm not betting on this, but I'm not ready to rule it out, either.

Now, one possibility makes a little more sense: Bryce has help from higher up in the organization. Assuming that Bryce re-appears, his superior could be content to wait until Bryce can approach Chuck, especially since Bryce has the best chance of recruiting Chuck to their purposes. It would also explain how Bryce could escape after blowing up the Intersect; he would need help from the inside.

Right now, I'm betting Bryce is not working alone, but his help comes from higher up in the agency.
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