Has anyone noticed that when Sylar was 'killed' last season, there was a cockroach that crawled out of the sewer, and now after Sylar killed Derek there was another cockroach that 'appeared' out of nowhere on the rock that was used to kill him??

There's something going on here with these things!! There is a signifigance here!

Yeah, I don't know the significance but I saw that roach too, and I could swear someone on this board was talking about the roaches the other day, being meaningful. Can't remember where though.

cool! man this will be something when we find out what it is about, at least i know i'm not the only one who was seeing something in that...

dont forget the cockroach that crawled around sylar when he was imprisoned at primatech....so thats 3 sightings.so far ..also in the very first episode last season ..mohinder made reference to the resilliance of the cockroach.....lotsa roaches going on around the writing room

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Well that just makes me more confused considering what happened last night. But thanks for the link. Have to ponder on that.

Since Molly's nightmare man (Worse than Sylar) is Matt's dad who looks nothing like Kensei, I'd say that this spoiler is wrong.

Some of the writers HAVE said that one of the bad guys can control insects, particularly roaches, so, unless they were giving us fake spoilers, we have a new bad guy in our futures.

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Sylar is a cockroach.

So, I think that he just pops out a baby one sometimes...like a calling card.
Sorta like in the movie, 'Men in Black', [the first one].

before we only saw the cockroach when sylar was in trouble. a lot of people concluded it must be symbolic, illustrating sylar's durability and ability to survive. last night is the first time we saw a cockroach when sylar wasn't dead or dying. i'm anxious to find out what it means.

Like I said in a previous post, the cockroach is Candice.

i'm still sticking to my idea someone is using the cockroach as surveillance... maybe whoever can control them can see whats going on.... maybe that's how they got a hold of him in season 1 and now are tracking him using cockroach....

That would have made sense up to now, but now Sylar killed Candice so now ...???

Did he really killed Candice? it could've been an illusion?

She musta got reincarnated! That's what you get for being a bad guy --- next life - COCKROACH! LOL

While I doubt that this is the case, I do think the cockroach has some symbolism related to Sylar.

It'll be interesting to see what that is though.

Trust me candice is DEAD its official on Wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Heroes

Candice Wilmer
Missy Peregrym
Rachel Kimsey
Employee of the Company
Illusion casting

Deceased

Pretty cool theory... connecting the Cockroach dots to Candace's unseen actions...

Pretty cool theory... connecting the Cockroach dots to Candace's unseen actions...

I would agree, has to be something significant going on with the roaches. They seem to be watching, or tracking him in someway. I have suspected that ever since the season 1 finale. This really reaffirms my thinking along those lines. The roaches are whispering in his ear to kill...heh. That, or someone on the writers staff has a thing for roaches.

As for it having anything to do with Candice...wth are you smoking??? Bollucks to that theory.

Well we have always known that the Cockroaches are important in someway, people were saying that when Sylar was in the cell at primatech.

The Candice thing is plausible at the moment though.
"I pulled you off of Kirby Plaza" + Cockroach on the manhole cover = ?

I don't think Candice is the cockroach or anything, but I feel whoever the cockroach is/is controlled by has a relation with Candice, which would probably mean that this person still has power within the company.

never assume anything in Wikipedia is 100% true. Wikipedia is user generated..anyone could have changed it after that episode.

what is the correlation between roaches and syler?

This threads right here has an extensive conversation about this topic.

you mean that the roach is a hero?

Some think that one of the SG's can use them as survailance, some think it something more with Sylar, some think it has something to do with Candice and her illusions. Its never been explained, all we have at this point are theories.

I would just like to say i had a couple theories at the end of the first season regarding cockroaches...
My first theory was that there was an SG who could simply control creatures/insects and was using the roaches to keep an eye on Sylar. That was way back in mid may and i remember getting ripped about it. I tried to find that thread and couldn't but I did find my revised theory on the roaches from May 22nd. Here it is...


Sylar is still alive or at least will be next season if not right now, and here is why.

First of all it is obvious to me that everything in this show has a purpose what with all the hidden symbols and the way things come back around. It has been said by the creator of the show that he wants it to be a real world, ordinary person/extraordinary powers type show. With that said i am trying to keep things as real world and simple as possible. I had noticed the cockroach a couple times and after last nights episode decided to look into cockroaches. Heres what i believe.

The cockroach is a villain.

I believe there is a "Hero" who can become other living things, or to put it a little more simply, acts as a parasite in a way. This hero has been around for a while like many of the parents we have met and because of this took over the form of a cockroach. Here is why.

First of all, like many of the older Heroes in the show this villain knew that a nuclear explosion was going to happen. The villain wanted a way to assure he/she would survive. What do we know about cockroaches? Personally not much except i remembered hearing they could survive a nuclear blast...so i researched cockroaches a little bit. What else did i find?

"The cockroach is also one of the hardiest insects on the planet, capable of living for a month without food. It can also hold its breath for 45 minutes and has the ability to slow down its heart rate."-wikipedia.

What better choice for a villain to take the form of in New York City...It has millions of other cockroaches to hide among and it has picked a creature that isn't exactly frail. But why even stay in New York you ask? Easy, because thats where Sylar is.

"Cockroaches are generally omnivores. The exception to this is the wood-eating Cryptocercus species found in China and the United States. Although they are incapable of digesting the cellulose themselves, they have a symbiotic relationship with a protozoan that digests the cellulose, allowing them to extract the nutrients. "-wikipedia

This is exactly what the villain is doing...it is using Sylar as the protozoan to "digest" the powers of other heroes, waiting until he kills enough Heroes so he is unstoppable and then the villain will take over his body. Why not just take over his body now? Because he can still die. That is why Claire is so important...If Sylar gets the ability to regenerate the knew villain will take his body over and has plans that even Sylar hasn't dreamed of yet.

^^^That is a very good, well thought out theory. Kudos Bob.

Heck yeah, good theory!

Just to throw feul on the fire and add more conversation to it all:

The cochroach was first brought up in episode 1 when Mohinder was talking about the cochroach being an evolutionary step. God is a cochroach (ahead of everything)

There was a coachroach in Mohinder's father's apartment when he first moved in, Mohinder stepped on it.

There was a cochroach in both Sylar and Matt's cell at Primatech. However, Sylar was observing it (studying it - figuring out how it works perhaps?) - (refer back to Mohinder's speach about the cochroach for more feul on the fire)

and of course the cochroach on the rock in season 2.

that's all that i can remember when the cochroach showed up to make an appearance.

In Molly's dream in the GN, Kirby Plaza, the brick that killed ****(is that his name - I just wanted to rhyme) and in Sylars primatech cell.
Surely the writers are messing with us 'cause the cockroaches just can't mean anything - can they?

Sylar has the virus and is therefore dying -- this is the real reason his abilities don't work.

While we're on the subject of the Grand Finale from Season One, I have one small question I'd like cleared up: "Save the cheerleader, save the world" How was the cheerleader involved in the end? Peter was the obvious threat in the end, but the cheerleader didn't do anything, Nathan dropped by and flew them both out of harm's way. So what did the cheerleader have to do with anything? Other than that, LOVE the entire series!

The cockaroach is controlled by Sylar's dad who is one of the unidentified men in the group of 12. He is in cahoots with Maury and Kensei. Kensei is to kill the remaining members of the 12 and Maury is to use his power to find and cripple the newer generation of SG's. The roaches spread the virus and at the same time Sylar's dad can keep track of him.

This is my theory...no spoiler!

I think it's because if Sylar got Claire's brain he would be invincible. And if Sylar was invincible, the city blows up, he survives, Five Years Gone, the world sucks. I think that's the way it's suppose to go. Could be wrong. My memory sucks.

You are new so i will tell you politely to do a search on older topics before posting because most of them have been talked to death. That said, i will answer your questions. 5 years gone showed us why Claire was important. If Peter doesn't save her then Sylar gets her power, Hiro stabs him but he regenerates and still blows up NYC. He ends up killing Nathan, Candice and probably many others while posing as Nathan and becoming president.

It has also been noted that Claire is the main reason Nathan decided to sacrifice his future and almost himself to stop the explosion in NYC. It was her comments leading up to the finale that got him to change his mind.

Hrm, I'm of the opinion Candice died too easily. We saw with Micah that she could very quickly change the illusion even despite random events. Why would she even stand in front of Sylar at all. Just put an illusion of herself there.

That said, the cockroach shouldn't be Candice because why does she need to have an avatar at all. We know she can make bodies disappear so she could essentially walk around invisible and still keep an eye on him. I say shouldn't because even though I think that way, the writers don't necessarily.

The cockroaches might be an effect of another power Sylar has that he doesn't know how to use. It might do something weird like make him attractive to insects. Just a random thought.

Finally, the virus. I was also of the opinion Sylar had the virus till I realized that he still had the clock sound(Whenever he uses his original power, a clock ticks in the background). He can still see the 'defect' in SGs. If he can see the defects, then he must still be capable of using his powers and something else must be stopping him.

Yeah, I don't think Sylar has the virus. I don't know why he can't use the power right now but Mohinder said something to the Haitian about the plague getting stronger, multiplying in the blood faster and that he would have been dead by morning if Mohinder hadn't cured him. I think we'd see other symptoms by now if Sylar had the virus.

Seeing as cockroaches can slow down their heart-rate & Sylar when held by 'The Company' did that exact thing cos I seem to remember the guy phoning Mr Bennett & telling him Sylar was dead. Then HEY PRESTO killed the guy so I'm thinking maybe it is Sylar's dad, or just a reference to Sylar himself or just some creature thinking Sylar is his daddy!!

I think the cockroaches must have something to do with Sylar. It has only showed up in scenes with Sylar.

In season 1 when Sylar was in Primatech he used his gift "to see how things work" on a cockroach to surive and did the same trick after Hiro stabbed him, also he needed to kill Derek in Mexico to "survive".

Suresh has said that the cockroach is the ultimate form of evolution, it can exist in this form for million of years, can survive nuclear bomb etc.etc.etc. Maybe it is used as an analogy by the writers, Sylar is a cockroach that keeps poping up even if you step on it.

The roaches are Sylar.
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_di....shtml?novel=56

Metaphorically, as others have said, yes, but I'd like to point out that that entire GN was a dream.

Cockroaches are gross. Sylar is not.

I wish they wouldn't use cockroaches. In my book, cockroaches do not = Sylar. I get the symbolism, etc. etc. but ewww, no to cockroaches.

doesnt prove anything tho :S
since shes still dreaming and matt and suresh were in the dream and they werent exactly there were they?
its obviously just that nightmare man or someone causing her to have bad dreams or even face her fears, the same which happened to Matt and Nathan, so personally i dont think its Sylar

"There were a lot of rumors that the cockroaches were related to an as yet-unseen new villain. Could this still play out, or are they really more symbolic representations of evolutionary survival?"

Sometimes symbolic representations of evolutionary survival is just symbolic representations of evolutionary survival. Although, you'll have to remind us one day to tell you the original pitch for the character of Nathan….

there nothing but symbolic of evolution

Ok, well I'm watching through season 2 again and after Sylar killed the guy Maya and Alejandro broke out of jail there was a cockroach near his body. If I recall correctly there was a cockroach right after Sylar died in season 1. Also, Mohinder was talking about if God formed something in his own image it would be the cockroach. So do you guys think that Sylar is supposed to be the cockroach in the series?

For an in depth discussion of cockroaches...you can go here...

http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?showto...;hl=cockroaches

Thanks, BD! Merged the threads now, so it's all one big happy family thread.

Yes, cockroaches seem to appear a few times wherever Sylar is, but I do believe there was a cockroach in Matt's cell when he was at the Company, so maybe it's a Company conspiracy of some sort!

OK Tina07!
Consider yourself reminded!
Spill the beans on Nathan! (Please?)

Tim Kring has said that the cockroach symbolizes "Survival". And who's the only character that has to kill to survive? Sylar...