Donald J. Trump is the very definition of the American success story, continually setting the standards of excellence while expanding his interests in real estate, gaming, sports and entertainment. He is a graduate of the Wharton School of Finance and started his business career in an office he shared with his father.

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I didn't realize this forum was a commercial for The don? I was hoping for something new and informative about the new show...instead we have to endure "commercials about each of the forums set up here...this is truly a waste of time!

Sam Walton has an American success story. He started with nothing.

I think Gene Simmons is a better success story than Donald, that's why I'm doing to watch. in the end Donald could end up as Gene's Apprentice.

Gene Simmons is the best isn't he? He is full of himself, but I guess he has to be. He is the very best at self promotion.

If Donald trump were sitting in front of me, I would politely ask him, "What were you thinking?" What possible business reasons could he have for not firing the one responsible for the women's team failure and the one person who is the most divisive and biggest morale killer on that team? Surely doesn't speak well of his so-called business acumen.

If Omarosa remains on the show, I'm sorry Donald, but in my house.......You're FIRED!

Ok,
I have a 16 year old son who thinks Donald Trump is the smartest businessman around. OBTW My son is an honor student before anyone attacks him. He is also an outstanding athlete, who plans on going to West Point.
He is right, Donald keeps Madam Omorosssa around for the controversy. Come on, those poor women did not know what hit them, the only one who was willing to give her any knid of fight was Carol Alt.
So unless MariLou and the rest are ready to not be to ladylike they need to let her have it next time. Or the Queen Bee will continue her reign.
And what happens if Donald decided to mix up in a few weeks making it guys against girls. Oh she will be out in a hearbeat.

Michie

Okay, I have posted on another blog but feel that Donald has *****d his show just for ratings. However, having said that, I think his ratings would have been higher if he had fired Omarosa because everyone would have expected and respected him for doing the right thing. Now, I feel that like myself we are disappointed in his choice and will not watch the show until she is gone. I know that nothing we say here will make a difference because the show is already taped. Also, I like all the other celebrities and was sickened to see that she was even chosen. I guess, the final analysis is that this is another example of a good reality show stooping to pimping themselves, although I think wrongly, for ratings and now losing their audience.

Can anyone give me the email address to the producers so that my email friends/chain can forward to them how we feel?

I could not agree more. Trump made a big mistake by putting her on with real celebs, then to keep her after such a major screw up. Even worse is watching how rude she was to the REAL celebs. I won't watch until she is off, if at all. I thought Trump was smarter than this, guess not. Conflict may keep audiences, rudness and poor taste drives them away.

What were the producers/Trump thinking? I WAS a hardcore Apprentice fan, never missed an episode until the one next week, and every week until the BITC& is gone, then it's still a maybe if I'll ever watch again.

So sad, too bad.

How can we get notified when it is safe to watch the show? I think a large number of people are dropping the show with Omarosa on it.

On the bright side, I suppose that Donald's kids are getting some experience as with actions like bringing the loser back it might be a sign of mental issues with the Donald

All are true! Omarosa was solely put on the show for more viewers! This was most certainly a bad move on Trumps part. Their plan has back fired and losing viewers by the week, obviously their plan was flawed.

Who does Trump think he is to say "most people are losers"? What guidelines does he use to qualify that statement? So I guess factory workers, school teachers, hospital workers, and anyone that pays taxes to keep this country afloat are all losers.

Well, this loser isnt watching Celebrity Apprentice anymore. I really dont need to hear DT's shortsighted comments and insults of the general American population. And I definitely dont need to see overblown egos dueling it out. Stephen Baldwin is a loser, Gene Simmons is a loser, Omarosa is a loser. Mark Burnet is definitely a loser

In my opinion Donald could not exist.
If I had Daddy giving me the money for fresh start then I would be as good as he is financially. Next thing is whenever he goes and more importantly to europe in business he gets time off from others because they dont like a businessman like he is.
You got so much money and still didnt transplant Your hair.......ahhhhhh wife has to like boldy old guys.

Donald You so big that even simple scotish farmer tells You to get lost and You dont have choice but to do so.

What an arrogant human being Donald Trump is! He wants the American public to watch his show but yet he feels the need to insult most people. I hope that people stop watching this ridiculous show and realize was a pompous idiot he really is. How dare he think he is above everyone else!

Did it offend anyone else when Donald said "most people are losers"?

I was really offended when Mr. Trump said that most people were losers. I spent 22 years in the US Army and I will tell you...MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT LOSERS! Mr. Trump, you should apologize on your next show. I'm really disappointed in you. You got upset when Mr. Simmons insulted your daughter, well it upset me when you insulted my daughter because she's definately not a loser. I don't agree Mr. Simmons is a loser. I watched his show when he went to the Veterans Hospital in Los Angeles and it brought tears to my eyes. I honestly don't believe he and his daughter were acting when they spoke to those disabled veterans.

I must've missed "MR. TRUMP" referring to others as losers; however my beef is with the guy from Pedigree (I think) I am VERY offended that he suggest that "most women wouldn't know who LENNOX LEWIS is" Many sports these days are at a 50/50 split if not 60/40 in favor of women! What a sexist remark?! The last thing they want to do is offend women, who STATISTICALLY, watch more reality shows than men do! (not that I am being sexist myself, that's just the stats ) UGH! I'm soooo frustrated over this I wish I could contact him myself and tell him all about Lennox Lewis and the boxing world! Get with the times PLEASE sports aren't just a "man's world" anymore. I can even tell him all about TITO and the UFC if he doesn't believe that women watch the "fights" in todays times.


Julie

Donald Trump Is An Overrated "Businessman", Image Sells Him, Not Sense

Trump needs to read some Jack Trout books. Marketing is all about image, sexiness, hype, and standing out among the immense sea of competition.

Trump is good at marketing himself. Unfortunately, he cannot see the same in others efforts, most notably, Gene Simmons and Kodak. I'd much rather have visited Gene's trailer than that decrepit craphole the other team had. It's about getting butts through the door - THEN you can show the product, it's features and benefits, etc. Panache and visuals get people looking.

By the way, Mr. Trump, hardly anyone online is replying to boards right now, even immediately after the show. If you think your ratings are tanking now, wait until next week. Compare your boards to Idol's, and you're a FLYSPECK on the map.

Again, my open letter to Trump:

AN OPEN LETTER TO DONALD J. TRUMP

No offense, Mr. Trump (like you actually read these), but even though you may know a lot about real estate and developing, you, as we say in the Barnett-Shale-rich-Fort-Worth, don't know "s--t from Shinola" when it comes to TV.

Gene Simmons has proven himself time and time again in the real world as an innovative and effective businessman. His confidence, bravado, and suave charm not only attract the female species, but his marketing acumen, backbone, and "alpha-maleness" draws admiration from his fellow males. You just lost most of your viewers, myself included.

So, back to the part about Shinola. Your ratings will PLUMMET because of this foolish decision. If you hope to salvage your show and try for an eighth season, you'll be wise in inventing a way to bring Mr. Chaim Witz back to your show.

Pride cometh before a fall, Mr. Trump, and a haughty spirit before destruction. Remember that if you want your face on television next season.

Shalom,
C. S. Bauer

I came up with an idea and don't know if the producers ever thought about doing this on the series.

I know the candidates are able select people who been fired to particapate during the final.


It would have been nice to see the fired candidates come back to be the hired help for candidates whom they did not work with previously during at least one task leading up to the final task.

Espically since the Celebrity Apprentince is rasing money for chariity. More importantly Most of the candidates are famous people who could be useful. It is waste of Star power.

While Apprentice 1 was entertaining and had huge ratings, the series has plummeted not only in the ratings in recent years, but conventional wisdom has been that it's "jumped the shark."

In comes "Celebrity Apprentice" and with it...great ratings and an even greater BUZZ.

Despite mostly 'b' list celebs (Omarosa, Jenny Finch, Piers) and 'niche' stars (Tito, Lennox) the show suddenly became hotter than ever. It was suddenly 'back' in a weak field due to the writer's strike. It was discussed on the 'net and in offices and dining rooms.

One of the main reasons was the appearance of Mr. Gene Simmons.

Interest in Simmons grew substantially after the first episode. People quickly saw that Gene Simmons was not the boring dad shown in the poorly written and poorly produced "family jewels" show. Instead, it show the flame-breathing Kiss guitarist as an amazingly complex strategist, intellectual, and leader.

A 'curiosity' before the first episode (due to the lack of A listers they almost grabbed, such as Paris and Brit) the show TOOK OFF after the first episode...in large part due to Gene Simmons.

Suddenly this 'game' became complex and intriguing. Simmons was no ordinary celeb! We began to learn how a relatively good Detroit party band from the 1970's became a MONSTER GROUP around the world and is still talked about to this day. gene simmons of family jewels became GENE SIMMONS!, Master of KISS, SEDUCER OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN, AND MULITMILLIONAIRE GENIUS LEADER OF MEN!

Gene challenged Kodak and he challenged Trump. The fact that the Kodak stooges chose the 'garbage dump' concept produced by the male group (sans Gene) simple-minded and pathetic.

If you want cheap ink, go to Walmart!

Gene created an amazing concept. The Kodak execs could have easily incorporated "ink" into this KODAK WORLD concept. We print out our dreams in the world of Kodak with Kodak ink...and save money, too!

Gene wouldn't play Trump's game.

Gene wanted out of the show because he saw the show wasn't worth it.

He saw the 'grand scheme' of it all, and simply wanted out. Gene wouldn't allow Nelly (who word has it, he is banging) to take the fall for the stooge-like behavior of the Kodak execs (and Jim Cramer looked like a fool as well!)

So Gene say "adios."

Gene IS the show. He knows it. Trump says he gave Gene a chance, but it was Gene who gave Trump a chance to make his show relevant again.

Trump should realize that when your enterprise is going downhill (as the Apprentice is) sometimes you need a SHAKE-UP by new talent that you don't understand. Gene was that talent. Keep Gene in and you've got a new show for the summer: "Gene Simmon's Apprentice" under the watchful eye of Trump.

Trump blew it!

Cramer was out to lunch and looked meek and stooge-like.

Gene Simmons controlled the entire environment of the show.

Without Gene what is there to watch? A bunch of b-listers and niche celebs.

To Don and the producers: BRING GENE BACK! ADMIT A MISTAKE!

For God's sake, there's nothing to watch on the tube these days except, we thought, your show.

BRING GENE BACK! NOW!!!!!

Great post. I agree with it for the most part.

I think you completely missed the point of his statement. Most people do lose more than they win. You know, second place is the first loser sort of a thing? In business, there are a heck of a lot of losers and only that 1 special company, group, team, salesman, that are the true winners. Very few people actually have that knack of winning most they do. You may view your life as successful and therefore as a winner, but I doubt he's talking about your personal happiness or contentness. It's not a comment to take personaly. It's just the way it is.

Sam also had something The Donald desperately needs - humility. I lived near Bentonville for over 10 years, and I saw Sam driving that old beat up red pick up through town, smiling and waving at everyone. Here's one of the wealthiest people on the planet, and he's driving a clunker and waving at the townsfolk. God broke the mold when He made Sam Walton.

Don't forget he remained married to the wife of his youth. Although I am not sure how his kids turned out.

Donald's Judgement Questionable or Conflicted?
Judgment


Donald has two judgments to make on each show: 1-what is best for the ratings of the show and 2-what is the best judgment of business acumen, potential etc.

His judgment is clearly in favor of ratings (Omerosa will have to really screw up to get fired--she is a rating draw--over 100,0000 views in the forum). On the Gene Simmons firing, Gene made a good business judgment: the women needed to focus on getting a team with better leaders/idea generators--Gene brought people to the table, who he thought were weak on leadership and disruptive to team. It was a long term view. Donald chose based on the one episode.

On the rat episode, he kept Piers who will probably end up destroying the team (Vinnie was weak too mind you). If the men lose and Baldwin leaves, the men are likely done unless the mix things up.

PNH

the donalds immaturity as it related to humanity

does donald think about anything but money?

No, and it was funny when he got owned, more or less, by Stephen in the board room when he was left speechless.

Why would he think about anything else but money? His business is to make money, period. It has nothing to do with humanity (if you have read any of his books, you would know he donated more to charity than most people make in a lifetime). It has to do with business, and when you are in business, you go for the throat everything time and do anything you can within the law to make as much money as you can.

If you do not have this attitude, then you should not be in the business world.

I don't agree.

Right now, every firing has been justified by the performances of the players.

Omerosa COULD have been fired in week one, but really it was a toss up. It could have gone either way.

There has not been one case of "he did that only for the ratings" yet.

The decision to fire Nelly in tonight's episode involving the Vera Wang challenge instead of Omarosa showed Mr. Trump's predisposition as to whom he wishes to fire prior to entering the Boardroom. Nelly began to tread on that hallowed ground but was cut off and at least Omarosa was smart enough (for once) to keep her mouth shut, realizing that the less she said, the better. She was solely responsible for the concept and execution of this challenge. Nelly, Marilu, and Carol should have made that crystal clear and not let up. However, Mr. Trump knew this. He didn't care. He just kept talking about prior performance.... he didn't even focus on this task- something he would have crucified an apprentice applicant for. Even when Nelly made the (very valid) point that none of her other challengers had ever brought her back into the Boardroom and that when she had made a mistake she was the one who owned up to it but this time it was Omarosa's sword to fall on, Mr. Trump wasn't even willing to let her finish her sentence. He had made his mind up. I am so disappointed- disappointed in him for firing someone who didn't deserve it for this task, for keeping Omarosa when she so clearly deserved it, and for being so clearly biased. The only thing I was proud of is that Donald, Jr nor George could look at him when it was over and say he had done the right thing.

No kiddin" juju!
If donnie based decisions on prior performance than why "wasn't Oma outta there??????? She LOST the first task! Don is following the script and that's all there is to say. I do disagree with you on George though...He was what you might call Don's "opening act"...He brings us Nely's television producer stuff they are always talking about and then the don goes in for the kill. Drama...
NO...F-A-R-C-E!

Why, other than ratings(aka profits) would anyone give airtime or attention to someone like "O", I hesitate to give recognition by even stating her name. Mr. Trump, I think the fact that you extend any time for her to spew, spread the toxic, and arrogant attitude is beneath the professional, wise and sucessful man you portray. You, of all people do not NEED this negative person associated with anything you do. And, the fact she continues to be given 'celebrity' status or airtime for PR (even bad PR is better than none), makes the 'reality' shows even less believable. And, honestly, I enjoy them. However, any future show that give a "nod" to further promotion of this woman will not find their way on any channel I am tuned in to. I respect you in so many ways, but question where the line is drawn between profit, ratings and your honor, or motive. I am only one regular person, having no 'fame' or impact on the world of entertainment. I work hard everyday and support my self honsetly in the real "reality" world, but must admit, I feel insulted by the fact I am expected to believe 'reality' is a concept we should swallow when some like "O" is given any attention. I know you must admit there is no talent, just a rude woman with more attitude and little class. Any chance you could put her overblown image of herself in perspective, or in my world "in her place" and explain that she is just "not all that" ?! You sir, however are someone to listen to, which is why I can not figure the 'draw' of including her among celebrities, her claim to fame, rudeness, no class and one lying 'dodge'after another defending the crap spewing among never ending lies. I know you have video that would show her denials to be no more than lies, which make you appear uninformed, which we know is not true, but serves to only disrepect by showing you as "unaware" of her antics. I doubt seriously that one thing occurs that you are not aware of, please come clean with your fans!

Nice points G...that is the enigma that is "the donald"

I watch this with my children and will never watch it again. How was I to explain why the most reasonable person did not win. Piers only won because of the bottom dollar. Exactley what I try to teach my children is not important. It is integrity that is important and should always come before the amount of money a person can bring in. I have many family and friends that watch this show and will never make the mistake again. I feel sorry for Trumps children because obviousley he didn't care enough about any child to see the importance of the charity Trace was workin for. Oh but I guess with his $$$$ he was able to hire someone to follow them around if they were to have had some sort of issue like Trace's little girl.

1) First season watched. New respect for his intelligence, clear vision, fairness, and decisiveness. However in what viewers saw of the 3-pronged final challenge, Trace clearly won #2 and #3. The message sent by apparently basing the final outcome on #1 was disturbing.

2) Future episodes could be improved by "leveling the playing field" in a manner that emphasizes intelligence, creativity, ingenuity, and healthy leadership/interpersonal skills in achieving a bottom line. Piers was a one-trick ram-rod pony (high price point/rolodex strategy), and it was clear he would consistently win these types of challenges from very early on. With his resources, I could have won. I believe "Project Runway" and "Top Chef" fascinate because they isolate the assets above.

3) What a classy daughter. Would love to see her develop an effective charismatic strategy for disallowing interruption and derailment by older male contestants. Would have liked to have heard the insights she attempted to share, but never did due to interruption. Makes this viewer wonder if this is learned behavior from the homefront...

Mr. Trump has definately disappointed me tonight. His decision tonight has proven that his purpose of the show was to find the celebrity who has 'friends' with the fattest bank accounts. 8 out of 10 celebrities when polled felt that Trace was the preferred apprentice, yet Trump chose to make the choice based on dollars. Pierce mentioned in his closing statement that 'he' single handedly won the most challenges - strange, I thought this was a team event up until the final challenge and for a large portion of those same challenges, Trace was on his team!
No, I don't like Pierce. I don't like him judging whether or not America's Got Talent and I don't like him on Celebrity Apprentice. Yes, he is a professional fundraiser. Could it be because he doesn't have any talent himself?

good point and i definitely agree. Funny thing is when Piers' show is cancelled, Trace will still have a career.

What I saw last night not only disappointed me , but reinforced the kind of person Donald Trump really is and the reason why he is a multi-billionaire - He clearly believes that the ends justify the means. Any behavior is acceptable, so long as you reach the goal. You can insult, belittle, degrade and disrespect people - so long as you reach the goal. Piers Morgan, who I never heard of before this show and hope to never see again, exemplified this behavior - in fact he even disrespected Donald and his family ! He constantly interrupted - that shows no respect. Many of the things he said, if posted in these discussions would have caused him to have been banned !

Donald also doesn't give a D*** about what other people think - the celebrities and 80% of us who voted felt Trace should win. Even now the post game poll overwhelmingly shows that people disagree with his choice.
The "contest" is all about succeeding in business. To succeed in business you need to be tough and demanding - but when everything that comes out of your mouth about other people is negative, most people would not want to work with or for you. Donald gave high praise to many of the people he "fired", he expressed great admiration and respect for Trace. Can anyone recall a single nice word Morgan said about anyone ?

Actually..yes. He complimented Trace last night, quite often if I remember. Also Carol, Lennox and even StevieB(who didn't deserve it!!) I find it interesting that Piers gets called out for being honest or blunt. He is called ruthless, callous, rude, whatever..but last night he complimented Trace often and Trace was just plain rude to Piers. Now..was Trace being honest or blunt????

Dh who hasn't watched the show. Said to me last night, "watch Trump will let them both win." I said, "no way, the show is singular apprentice not plural."

He thought since it was for charity it should be a tie. I said no. The Donald won't do that.

I would like to see Bill Gates and Warren Buffett go head to head on this show. I think Trump would be affraid to fire one of them. They could in reality put "projects" (slums) around all of his properties and bankrupt the Donald. Now that's power. Trumps is worth about 2 billion and the other guys have over 40 billion each!

Piers was just trying to cover his butt by complimenting Trace who knew everyone was going to point out that he is very rude and arrogant he wasn't nice to anyone on the show I would have liked to see him do a task by himself and without his contacts because without his contacts he is nothing. I beleive he picked his charity for strategy not because he loves our American Troops if the Iraq war was not going on he would have been fired. Our troops do deserve the best care but , so do our children if the government is going to cut funding for our troops then put the money toward saving our children our future. My 18 month old son has food allergies (not near as bad as trace's daughter) when he gets hives all over his body and doctor's can't test him until his older and you have to log everything he eats and make sure when he's at the babysitter's or with family that they watch him close because all doctor's can say is it may get better or it may get worse and even though he hasn't ever stopped breathing yet it could happen but, there's nothing we can give you until it happens just call 911 as fast as possible that really sucks. Trace was in it with the best of intentions Piers was in it for the kill.

Hey Trump! On the finale, I was so sick that you keep bringing up the good and the evil. I don't think Trace is an Angel. His not a gentleman, no manners, making faces on the show and keep using dude on the show, kick your british ass and bastard. Piers did not do all of the above that I mentioned. Please remind the celebs not to say bad language on the show. If Piers wasn't on the show, I don't think they will make a lot of money for charity. I can tell how cheap are the cowboys, did not give a lot of money for charity.

The "cowboys" that showed up for Trace don't have 100,000 dollars to throw around on various things like Piers "friends" do, so they do what they can (i.e. the 5k donations)

I want to thank Donny for making what hordes of people consider the wrong decision. What was wrong for the style of The Apprentice was better for both contestants. This isn't the place to talk about the why's or what-if's, but because of your choice I have discovered today that two friends of mine have sent in cheques to FAAN and I will be following suit. This amazing show of gratitude (from people who had never listened to a country song or heard of Trace before this show) probably would not have been as impacting had you decided differently.

One man gets his 'Celebrity' status on his fellow NBC network show and the other gets more than he could have dreamed of. Thank you again sir.

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JD/Forum Moderator

"It's Just Business" Favorite Words of the Ruthless...I wish people would think about what they are REALLY saying when you make comments like:-----"Business is Business" or "It's just business".

---What you are saying is that any behavior good or bad goes. You are saying that "Business" gives people a pass on being held accountable for their behavior. So, by this definition of business then being underhanded or taking advantage of others because they operate with morals and respect for others is acceptable...this is acceptable because it is "Just business"-Right?

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THIS:
#1-Ruthless behavior is what people do when they're taking advantage of someone else's careful, caring efforts (moral/humane standards) to operate business. #2-"Business" is not an activity that excludes us from moral or ethical standards. We reflect our beliefs in everything we do business and otherwise. If you are willing to harm others for the sake of business that doesn't say you are a better business person -it just says you are willing to hurt other people to get what you want. This is just shameful behavior that even the greatest wealth does not make acceptable...

Anyone who professes to be a Christian, a believer of the God of the Bible, realizes that they hold themselves accountable to a higher God than money....For the Bible says You can not worship two gods -one being God the father and interestingly enough the other god being "money" rather than Satan as you might expect. So, you live by either a love of money or a love of God....For Christians-this is a no-brainer. One last point to consider: The only possessions that we can hope to take with us when we die are our children...so, perhaps the emphasis should be on the size of our/their faith rather than the size of our wallets.

Food for Thought.

Well, LoveGodNotMoney, the piece you posted was fine until the last paragraph. Please don't intimate that it is only Christians who are capable of maintaining moral or ethical ideals. I find that a little insulting - especially as there seem to be a fair few (and in the public eye as well) who don't really apply the values you refer to.

I only had to Google "tv evangelists criminal charges" to find a number of stories related to fraud and the 'love of money' etc. 'Christianity' itself has ben pretty ruthless in its time - remember the crusades, for example?

I do, however, appreciate the message in the first couple of paragraphs, so thanks for that bit!!