I find it highly ironic that it is okay to speculate that Lucas is covering for Will regarding EJ's shooting even though SOD and SOW say otherwise, but when we speculate about the events of Dec. 29th, we are told it is cut and dry and speculating more happened that night is slammed.

I mean if we are told to not speculate about Dec. 29th, that it is cut and dry. Why is it not recipricated.

IMHO, THIS is why problems persist. I am not saying speculating is wrong, but I find it really frustrating that it is black and white on one side and then their all shades of grey in the other. No what I mean?

I know exactly what you mean! Nothing is fair on this board. We can't speculate but others can. We can't be rude but others can. We can't think outside the box but others can. It's so ridiculous.

EJ is the epitamy of EVILLE but Lucas is only doing things for his family to protect them.

EJ was programmed to hate the Brady's for how long? He has saved Lucas' butt how often? He helped the Salem PD try to catch Andre how many times? He told Sami how many times that they didn't have to marry and after the marriage told her to go back to Lucas how many times?

But oh my goodness he is LYING about walking, he has some hidden agenda on everything. It boggles the mind!

Nothing is ever black and white just like nothing is absolute or guaranteed. Those who want to live in glass houses and think that they know everything and that they will always get their way are in for a very rude awakening.

But don't you know that he is a grown man? As soon as he turned 18 he should've relearned all his moral values that his father taught him! Get with it woman!

Everything Lucas has done is extremely selfish. If he can't have Sami, EJ sure as **** can't. He has abandoned her. Shooter or not, either way he will go down for it and he will leave her to look after the twins and get her life in order. He always threw it in her face that she kept Will from him in his early years, well he has ensured that he is out of Allie's life. He didn't even care for her, it's all about the package and scheming with Kate. What did he think was going to happen? He could have hurt or killed Sami while aiming for EJ. Did he ever stop and think what would happen to them all if EJ had died? He shot his own future to **** with Sami. He's left her in between a rock and a hard place.

You're right! How silly am I? LMAO!

We should all know by now that not everything is at it seems on a soap. S/l's can change years down the road. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion but saying things can only be one way is unbelievable to me.

ICA! I don't know what Lucas was thinking when he fired that gun. He could've hit Sami! Someone hit her dress so clearly it isn't impossible that she could've been the one shot in the spine. I know Kate might've wanted to kill Sami but I don't see it. If she did, then she has the crappiest aim ever. I can even understand Marlena in this situation even though she risked her daughters life. Her husband is dead and her daughter is marrying the man she thinks did it. That's gotta make anyone a little psycho. But Lucas can't be talked out of this one. "Oh, he was upset about his wife marrying someone else." PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME! That doesn't excuse Lucas at all! He got divorced and his wife is remarrying. This happens like, what, MILLIONS of times a year!!

ITA- if truly loved Sami he would be completely honest with her. IF (and this is a BIG IF!) Will is responsible, wouldn't the fact that Sami being his mother play into some honesty? Isn't Lucas always tooting his own horn about honesty?

Where is Lucas' integrity in all of this. Going back to the big "IF" why wouldn't this be a building stone for Lumi? Both joining forces to protect their son? Sorry but Lucas is the shooter.

That's what I am saying. He promised that this time, their relationship and marriage would be different. How is it? All I have seen is manipulations, lies, secrets and zero trust. I think he is the shooter. He would tell Sami the truth if it wasn't. As far as I know, they aren't planning to bring Will back any time soon, so if they do make him the shooter, we won't know for a very long time. Again the writers have skipped details and done a shotty patch up job.

Geeee- doesn't that sound familiar?!? We were told ahead about certain events transpiring, they transpired and the were seen as black and white but now another incident happens and it is all kinds of grey?!?!? Sorry that doesn't fly with me.

ITA- they wrote holes in the story so they have an outs later if they choose to use it.

Lucas... integrity... hahahaha, surely you jest.

okay seriously, when two seperate soap mags are saying Lucas is the shooter and he is not being a "good" guy. Why is it so hard for some to admit he is being an @sshole? To say he is justified if he shot EJ is asinine.

When EJ does stupid **** we say it is stupid, but we still stand behind him. To admit your fav character has faults and scr3ws up does not mean you like him any less. But to pretend he is a great guy when he isn't, its just silly. We do not delude ourselves that EJ is some great guy with noble intentions. Well neither is Lucas.

*claps!*

That is exactly the point! The magazines are saying that it's Lucas and everything I've seen on the show so far have pointed to Lucas. For now, I'm going to say that the shooter is Lucas until it is shown otherwise.

To be a total and complete b****, should we refer to the Lumi supporters as attempted murderer lovers? No, because I would never stoop that low and think it's very harsh. See I would never question a person's morals over a motherf****ing soap! (Had to throw that in their)

I am reading over all these posts and I have absolutely nothing more to add other than I agree with everything said here! The hypocrisy of Lucas is obviously trickling down hill!!

ITA with everything as well. I am all for shades of grey- it makes every character interesting. Lucas is now more interesting to me since he has shot someone. What drives me insane is the hypocrisy of the Lumi fanbase. "EJ is pure evil, he does evil things because he is evil", blah, blah, blah. Lucas does things with all sorts of justifications. Anyone can justify anything.

Lucas is as lily white as a pair of dirty underwear.

ITA! Lucas has promised that this marriage would be different but it isn't. He is lying time and time again to Sami, he claims to love her yet he won't tell her the truth on what he is doing and that he was at that church when ej was shot and he may be responsible for shooting ej.
Sami is NOT going to want to be with him as soon as she finds out just what he is doing. GOOD RIDDANCE!




I agree, Lucas is a alcoholic murdering person but i would never stoop so low as to call anyone who likes him a alcoholic murdering lover.
It is just a soap and it seems to be taken as real life here sometimes, really sad if you think about it.

This is why people shouldn't take things on soaps so seriously...in the real world none of this stuff would fly so stop putting real world stands on a FICTIONAL SHOW!!!! Anything can happen, people's motives can change, redemption on the drop of a dime...to say one character can't change is BS cause it happens all the time.

Great post! ITA!

I see EJ's faults for what they are, his faults. I don't deny that he can be evil at times. I also don't deny that he has made several mistakes. So what? Doesn't make me like the character any less. It may even be why I do like him. IRL, I'm not an evil, manipulative person so I enjoy watching it on tv.

ITA! That is what excites me about EJ, he can go from sweet & caring to evilness in a blink of an eye, but sure do love it.

So what. Lucas' wife, Carrie married his brother and he did not gun Austin down at the wedding.

ITA. This is so true. I think Lucas is more interesting when he is showing his true colors (All the shades of grey, with a little black thrown in here and there ) . . . I thought some of Lucas' most interesting scenes in the past were when he was a practicing alcoholic. All the goody goody Lucas scenes since he has been paired up with Sami have flopped IMO, and have been really boring and a waste of talent (For BD), who I truely believe could do some really interesting S/L's if given the chance to work outside the EJ/Sami/Lucas triangle.

ITA. This is why I love watching him on Days . . . I love the villians . . . Their S/L's are always so much more cleverly written, and interesting. For me it is fun to watch the villians scheme to get what they want, and scheme to get theirselves out of trouble when they get caught. (I enjoyed EJ planting a baby monitor in Sami's apartment to spy on her and Lucas . . . And then thought it was really funny when she busted him for it . . . I loved the look on his face).

Just because I enjoy watching the scenes and S/L's with the bad boys, and the feisty scheming girls, doesn't mean that I live my life like that, or that I am a cruel or evil person either. I just enjoy watching my favorite characters weave their intriguing webs of deceit. LOL

Hiya Twilight, long time no see.....your example is perfect! I come up against this all the time & it is so frustrating. So many things have not been proven! John had 2 bullets in him but we only hear one shot while him & EJ struggle in the shack. For that matter can anyone come up with one black glove crime that was proven to be done by EJ? None that I can think of. Can anyone explain to me why Tek was in John Black's hospital room or where he went when him & Lexie mysteriously disappeared? Can anyone reasonably tell me that Tek wasn't up to something & that EJ could manage to be in a million places at once or that even it makes sense knowing that EJ is Stefano's son, that Stefano just left everything up to EJ to re-emerge in Salem & take care of the Bradys when he still had Andre? AHHHHHHHH! There is so much room for speculation I can't believe the writers haven't taken the opportunity yet!!!

shuuu, I feel better now.

The sentences in bold have always made me wonder about Tek and what he was up to as well. I had started to suspect that Tek was working for the Dimeras back then. He was probably working for Andre, and I also suspect may have possibly been involved in the Black Glove scenes. If he was working for Andre as one of the "Dimera soldiers", he may have been the one who delivered Lexie to Andre when she disappeared. I would personally like to know if Tek was/is one of the Dimera soldiers, and if he was one of the key players in all the intrigue mentioned above . . .

This is honestly where I think JER was going. I think He was setting EJ up as the good(ish) Dimera who would fall in love with Sami but her family would hate because he was being blamed for everything. I also think that it has never really been proven EJ was anything other than that! I think his character took a much darker turn than originally planned but I and many others had already fallen in love with the character & picked up on those clues. I think the writers have kept those moments & only IMPLIED differently. They still have an out in their pocket if they wish to use it! Just my opinion of course.

Sure do!
IMO the Will thing makes no sence anyway. I started a thread about it on the main board. I don't get how one can think it is Lucas covering for Will in the first place.

The way I see it, we are ok with EJ and his mischevious ways.

Lucas needs excuses so that he can stay the perfect good guy. Although I have never EVER thought he was; it seems their are fans of the show that think that he is.

Example: Lucas sends Will away without even consulting Sami and names their daughter and he is just being a good father.

EJ nicknames his son and he is an inconsiderate jerk because couples should talk about and agree on nicknames.

The way I see it? Lucas is a vindictive, manipulative little ***** that is trying to hit Sami where it will hurt her most and EJ nicknamed his son because he likes the name. I don't talk to my hubby about my nicknames for my daughter and neither does he. They just come out, no big deal. Big difference than NAMING legally your child.

IA Shaka... it makes no sense at all to justify one mans actions and vilify the other when said actions are not that different.

I replied in your other post but I wanted to say more. Knowing how whenever an Ejami says anything slightly off topic the post gets deleted so I will say it here...

Why I don't think Will did it:

I personally think Will wanting to leave so suddenly was because his parents are yet again being an embarrasment to him and he likes being with Carrie and Austin because they provide a loving and stable homelife. Something he doesn't get from Sami and Lucas.
I have always thought Wills obsession with having his parents together and married was odd since they never were his entire life and for most of it they were enemies.

As for the shack.... there is no way to tell when teens partied in there and it may have nothing to do with the shooting... Another theory I thought of was what if Will saw his father enter the church cause he was watching it since he knew his mom was there, and so he followed Lucas in there and witnessed him shooting EJ. All his idea's about how great his father is flew out the window and now all he can think about is getting away, not because Sami married EJ, but because he saw Lucas try to kill another person.

one of the reasons i flove ej is because he IS sweevil. i wouldn't have him any other way. when he does something underhanded i cheer him on. that's exactly why he is such a perfect match for sami and lucas is not.

Great Post! I didn't think about Will being at the church and witness Lucas shooting EJ.

I like the way you think SKOT!

That is also a very good possibility. Too bad we are not ever able to voice stuff like that elsewhere.

Great post SKOT...I never thought Will had anything to do with the shooting but he could have seen Lucas do it if he followed him to the church. I've always thought it was Lucas that shot EJ, he was looking way too happy when he came home from the church.

Thank you... it was just off the top of my head. No kids screaming in my ears so I had a chance to think clearly. LOL

I swear many of us would make better writers for this show then the baffoons they have doing it now.

They should have some sort of contest to see if the viewers could come up with better storylines and the winners (at least 3) get to write for the show.

That would be an awesome idea!!! I think a monkey could write this show better than Hogan...lol!

I like this idea. Forget "I Wanna Be A Soap Star." How about "I Wanna Be A Soap Writer?"

OMG,that has to be the funniest thing i've read in a long time!! Seriously i think it's bull**** that some people take this show so seriously, saying one charachter (ej) is so evil when the other (lucas) **** even Sami for that matter is just as bad.....whateva!

Great idea. I have some good stuff in my head.

This is an interesting theory . . . And, not only would he see his dad in the church with a gun pointed at his mother and EJ . . . He would have seen both of his grandmothers with guns pointed at them too! And, all three shooting their weapons. What good examples they all are for a teen-aged boy . . . With a family like that I would want to leave and move to another country too!!!

This is an outstanding idea!

Heck yeah! I'm sure we could find plenty of people that could write better than HS!!!

I would totally try out for that show!!!!

I bet Xeresa would win though....that girl has some serious stories going on in her brain!!!

I agree...Xeresa has alot of good ideas

Where can I find her work?

Read her posts...they are always full of great ideas concerning how to fix different storylines & such.

there is a "wish list" thread in general. ALL, and I mean ALL of her ideas ROCK!!

Maybe you're just in denial, LOL.

With a lesser actor EJ would be evil incarnate and we'd hate him. But James Scott has brought so much to the role, with so many layers and JS/AS chemistry is off the charts magnetic the writers have finally decided to stop fighting it and go with it.

I have no doubt that if another actor were in the role, the writers would be going full steam ahead with Lumi.

yeah we are suppose to bow and scrap our knees to the beloved Lucas and accept everything that he does is in the name of love, but, when it comes to EJ we are suppose to keep our mouths and eyes shut and act like we don't see the truth....but whatever floats their boat. ejami is endgame in my opinion.

I read prevuze's and Will told Sami "I knew he would get caught." Interesting. I think SKOT may be onto something when she said maybe Will was sent to Switzerland to try to protect his father because Will saw Lucas shoot EJ.

It's possible...or do you think Lucas told Will what he had did, since the cop brought him home after Lucas came back from the church?