http://cdn.libsyn.com/wordballoon/WBheroesvol2wrapup.mp3

it was used by peter, not her. and what is that one power that peter has that we dont know where it came from? thats right the dream power

I'm not saying youre wrong ok, but what dream power? Be more specific...

the one where peter was talking to charles in How to stop an exploding man and when he saw himself in the future in truths and consequences

ive tried to think about this a lot. the only unexplainable powers/things peter has done that i can think of involve that dream/invisibility sequence with charles deveux, and his statements that he knew what happened to nathan beforehand/accident and other events (dreams).

the only pieces of evidence that i can think of to support this are the fact that angela always seemed to be the one who knew/knows what is going to happen to some extent. she knew the reasons peter needed to be the exploding man, she says something about how it wasnt supposed to be this way or end this way.

i know that this evidence is somewhat lacking and taken somewhat out of context, but honestly besides that what else can anyone think about that peter has done without explanation?

that may be a possibility but we need to see it on the tv to prove that it is true.. i think we will findo ut next season what her power is

I made a thread about this a while back and i think we figure it out as well as can be expected.

http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?showto...5&hl=Angela

Um, wasn't Charles' power the dream thing?

its still unknown. i only think the dream is angela's since they said peter had used her power and we dont know where the dream thing came from

thats power didnt come from his mother it came from charles devough.if it came from peter charles wouldnt have been able to use it with peter.

no he could have known about the power, or the power is similiar to sanjog from india

We really do not know if Charles's power is the dream ability. For all we know Charles was an empath like Peter and had absorbed Angela's power of "dream", this would enable him to interact with Peter on the roof.

The hole in my theory would be - why didn't Angela know that Peter was on the roof as well?

Who knows?

I think Peter's dream about Nathan's car accident was due to Angela's power but all the other dreams were due to Charles' power. Nathan's car accident took place the night of Peter's graduation party so Peter hadn't started working as a nurse yet and had not met Charles yet. The only SG's at the party were Nathan and Angela so Angela was the most likely cause of the dream. This dream was different from the other dreams caused by Charles because it appeared to take place in real time and neither Charles nor Peter were in it. The dream had nothing to do with Peter beyond his connection to Nathan. Peter's other dreams were about himself: how he would be able to fly, how he would explode, how he would find Claude, etc.

Charles dream power resembled Sanjog's power. Sanjog would appear in Mohinder's dreams and guide him to carrying on his father's work instead of staying in India. Similarly, in the finale when Peter dreamed of Charles and Angela discussing the bomb, Charles said "You came here because you needed to. You needed to hear the truth before you could save the world"

Peter also unknowingly used Charles' power on Charles when he died. Simone told Peter about how Charles awoke from his coma just before he died and told Simone of how he had been flying all around the world with Peter and it was a world he worried for but Peter told him that everything was going to be ok because he was going to save the world. Peter told Simone he had never had a conversation like that with Charles.

I think there are two powers here that people are interchanging. The first power would be dreaming of the future (Seeing Nathans "accident" before it happened) and the second is astrelprojection (s/p?). This would be when peter was unconcious and his mental self went back to the day he started working for Charles while his body was laying on the street.

While I agree with you that there are 2 powers here that people have lumped together and debated about whether it comes from Angela or Charles, I disagree that the first power is dreaming of the future. Nathan's accident happened as Peter was dreaming it or shortly before because Peter was awakened from the dream by the call notifying him of the accident.

I'm also not fond of the term "astrelprojection" for the second power because it's been linked to theories from Jessica to Nathan's burnt face reflection. Peter's dream of himself interacting with Charles and Simone is too similar to Mohinder's dreams in India of Mohinder interacting with his father. Therefore, Charles is probably supposed to have the same power as Sanjog. Since Mohinder referred to Sanjog as a spirit guide, if this power needs a name, it probably should be "Spirit Guidance".

Angela’s power is already known…

It’s Temporal Projection (not teleportation) (Charles Deveaux power is Astro-Projection)

Explanation:
She can project herself to the past and the future.
It's visible in "The Line - season 2" when Angela occasionally appears before Peter where everyone else died, to give Peter a mental push to go back in time and "save the world"

How Peter got the "power":
In "How to Stop an Exploding Man", Angela has a discussion with Charles Deveaux about events which about to transpire.
Peter unknowingly acquires this ability, and projects himself to the past (and makes himself invisible to avoid being seen) during the same time his mother is talking to Charles.

I hope this explains something about Angela's Power

^ no i'm thinking angela's power is precognition, but she uses it in her dreams while issac uses it by painting what he sees. they have the same power but express it differently.

I hate to say it but, I'm not thinking it's her power.
I know it's her power.

The Line - is that the episode reprising Peter's trip to the future, where he meets his mother during his amnesiac stage?

By temporal projection, I presume you mean projecting her mind or spirit, not her physical person, in different time periods. That may be true, but given the clarity of Peter's dream about Nathan's crash, it's reasonable to assume that he got precognition (as cowman said) from her, not that projection power. Then again, precognition only deals with the future; if Angela's function as you say, she would be able to see events as they were, are, and will be.

Like I've said before, I thought part of her power was to replay events perfectly, in her head or others, whether in the past, present or future. Memory projection is one aspect of this hypothesized power. Therefore, it is multifaceted.

Melovingian:

Would temporal projection allow Angela to interact with the scenarios/events she is viewing?

Yes, Angela's power allows herself to also physical be present in the temporal projection.

Isn't it obvious that she always shows up at the right time and place while a scene before she's somewhere else...(miles away).

Still don't believe me then explain to me why thousands of people nad people with power die in the future because of the virus and just she survives it...

And again just thrust me with my knowledge of her power...

Well, her survival may have been a matter of chance; or, she could have acquired an antidote in preparation of the Virus that she didn't want to share. I mean, why would she want to be in that time period if she could know how horrible it is?

Furthermore, assuming that you're correct about her power, Melovingian, that probably means the transportation aspect is intantaneous (as opposed to Hiro Nakamura's); does not include freezing time; and may not include transporting others. This term "temporal projection" is bugging me; it sounds more like "temporal transportation", unless it's multifaceted.

From reading all the speculations on the various boards on Madame Petrelli's power, I think it's safe to say that her power is somewhere along the lines of some type of psychic clairvoyance, that's just my two cents.

I know you think about Temporal Transportation but look at how Peter uses this ability (How to stop an exploding man Season 1) he blacksout when he uses this ability (uncontrolled I know) he doesn't vanish from the face of the earth like Hiro does, so it must be projection and not transportation.

Like I said, Angela's power could be multifaceted, including physical and mental transportation. You mentioned before that Angela always seems to be in the right place, even though she would have had to transport across large distances to do so:

"Isn't it obvious that she always shows up at the right time and place while a scene before she's somewhere else...(miles away)." This implies physical transportation. Peter's ability to interact with another time period, while physically remaining in the present, implies the other aspect of the power he most likely inherited from Angela, not Charles (for those who think that).

And yet, how would Charles have known that Peter was there in the finale? How could Charles have instinctively known that someone from another time realm was visiting? Darn, now I'm blurring the lines between Charles and Angela.

I took a few moments to think this question over a bit ....
I thought more of the first season...
The dream thing he has doesnt seem right because Mohinder had dreams like that ...
And I believe its Charles's power since he spoke with Peter in his dream
So I thought about her power and only Peter has used it....
In the episode "5 Years Gone" Sylar and Peter face of for a bit and Peters hands flame while sylars freeze
Its possible that Peter came in contact with Claires real mother or maybe Ted's power evolved or something but my theory is that the Flame power was from Angela Since we do not know her power, but Peter has used it.
I'm going to watch the second season again to se if he uses any other powers that have no explanation.

no, for the fire since over 5 years he probably met so many SGs like that jail break him and hiro did. t

She can probably dream the future.

I thought "they" implied once that her power had something to do with travel... of course, nothing is set in stone with this show. Today Kring and Co. could plan to reveal her power as projection, tomorrow it could be baking brownies with her butt.

I believe we saw angela's power in 40 years later when Peter still had no memory and he saw his older mother not his mother transported somehow to the future but when she touched him he regained his memories and I couldn;t make it out if it was only memories she was in or all of his memories but I believe that angela restores memories and is the anti-hatian as far as abalities go. I also believe every hero has an anti-hero as I call them(someone that can do the exact opposite or cancel their ability. Peter-Sylar the Hatain-angela if I am right. Clair-adam basically I believe there is a good hero and bad hero with every ability or someone who can cancel out their power
what do you think

Going back to the Charles/Peter thing and how that works - As we saw, Mohinder did not need a special ability to travel into the child's dreams. When Mohinder found the child he said to him "you came to me in my dream" to which the child said, "no, you came to me because you needed answers". The same goes for Peter and Charles. It has been argued that Charles's power is the "dream ability" somewhat like that of the child in India. If you recall, Charles said to Peter "you came here for answers" which leads me to believe that the ability is similar to that of the child in India. Somehow, Peter and Mohinder were able to dream and visit Charles/the boy for clarity. I believe that Peter has this ability, but I do not believe Angela does.

I think we saw her ability in the episode where Peter dreams about Nathan's car accident and flying with Charles before he died. I think Angela has the ability to witness reality while dreaming and I can not think of any other "power" that we saw used in the show that can explain what Peter did during those moments. Feel free to totally discount this. It just seems to make some sense.

Every Heroes power appears simple and normal. But as time progresses from excessive use, their powers slowly manifest itself into something stronger, better, dangerous even.
Your all stating so many power's that she may or may not have, perhaps she has had one of them and evolved like Matt Parkman.
The show is based on the Theory of Evolution, you can't really deny that fact that Heroes ability can evolve.

I think that Angela and Charles both had some kind of mental projection or dream based power. I think we saw Peter use Angela's when he saw Nathan's crash and he used Charles' when he overheard the conversation between him and Angela.



They said, somewhere, that her power made it easy to get from point a to point b. That's open to a lot of interpretation so it didn't really give us much to go on.

i think they said that we have already seen an ability on the show that is similar to hers, except it is easier for her to get from point A to B. i think they are talking about Hiro's power - except she doesnt physically travel to any given place or time like Hiro does.

i think she has the power to project her consciousness/awareness through space and time and can have limited physical interaction with wherever or whenever she is. Peter used this power the time he was with Adam after his memory was restored. he traveled to the point in the future where he saw himself and Caitlin being captured after the virus was unleashed. he then returned with the evacuation notice flier. Adam was like "where did you go peter? - we were talking and then you just blanked out for a second....." (something along those lines).

Peter also used this power when Nathan was in that accident in S1 before his power fully manifested.
i think her power is the ability to transport her consciousness through space and time - there are probably other applications to her power, just like the Haitian.

Bingo. Exactly what I was thinking.

I think it wouldn't be so difficult to pinpoint the power, if hers and Charles' weren't so similar.
It makes it more confusing because they both (likely) have powers involving dreaming.

but that makes the most sense: Charles can do what the kid in India can do, and Angela can project herself anywhere/time mentally (while dreaming?)

that is the question - i want to think that she can do it anytime she wants - maybe not in the middle of a conversation or while her mind is occupied, but anytime she is alone, or riding in a car, or sleeping too. it would be cool if she could maintain a normal facade meanwhile her mind is searching through time and space and it appears as if she is just sitting quietly. i would like to think that is how she is - she seems to lie a lot so it would make sense.

I think she can do it without having to sleep.

In Season 2, Peter revisits the future and comes back to Adam holding that Vacate Flyer. Adam says that he "zoned out" or something.

So Angela should be able to do that too. And since she's theoretically had it for a while, she probably has good control over it, so she can visit in different situations. Kind of like how people can drive home and be thinking of something else. Going on "auto-pilot"

so it appears that she has the power to send her consciousness/psyche/awareness through space and time....which means past, present and future. it is a totally mentally internal ability...there are no external signs that she has an ability....whereas Hiro actually, physically disappears. so it would probably be a lot easier for her to do this than it would be for Hiro....he has to really concentrate to travel great distances in time.

another facet of her ability could be to see other people's personal past and future through physical touch. think about it, if she can mentally go anywhere in space and time, than maybe by touching someone, she can see/visit their future and past, therefore she can easily manipulate people because she can potentially know everything about them. or.....maybe THAT is her power....through physical contact, she can visit anyone's past and future. When peter did it, towards the end of vol2, he visited his own future. when he saw Nathan's crash, he was viewing Nathan's present. now that i think about it, i think she can only visit an individual person's timeline....not just any time or place she wants. she does it by making some sort of mental connection to that person through touch.

so, considering all of that, she can basically visit other people's memories - what better person would there be to help the Haitian with his own ability...?

maybe she can also show people the things she has seen - like when she triggers peter's memory towards the end of Vol2.....it appeared she was showing him scenes of her from his own memory...which would imply that the Haitian didnt erase Peter's memory but rather put up some sort of wall or block that kept his mind from accessing any memory of who he is. or.....maybe she could only do that with peter due to his abilities working in conjunction with hers.

which brings up another thought - i dont think Angela's power allows her to physically interact with time. i think peter was able to bring that flier back as a side effect of his physical time travel abilities (Hiro's) working in conjunction with his mental time travel ability (Angela's). which, if you think about it, is pretty awesome. it means he can combine his abilities to allow for different applications that having just one of them wouldnt allow for. in this case, he can visit a place in time, interact without actually being physically there, and bring back souvenirs.

if angela can do the same thing, then maybe that would explain some of the artifacts in the vault at primatech.
sorry this is so long - i get on tangents sometimes

I think Peter is able to remember on his own. In the next episode, Adam tells him that he can "regenerate" his memory. Even if the Haitian removed his memory, Peter can still grow it back, just like Claire, in "Lizards."
So I dont think his mom did it for him. Like Adam said, he just had to concentrate.

And I like your idea of Peter combining those two abilities there, to time travel and dream travel/whatever you call it.

Recall that in season one everyone (yes EVERYONE) thought that Peter could only use the abilities of others when they were in his presence. There was even frivolous discussion about how far someone had to be so that he was unable to use the ability. Later in the season, we discovered the true nature of his ability. Because this season was cut short, we never were able to discover Angela's true ability. Likely, none of these "Spoilers" is the correct answer. The OP and no one else "knows" what her ability is. Season three will likely be the time for the show to uncover this secret. They have to hold on to a few, they've let us in on so much, the mystery is fading.

Enjoy the unknown while it is still unknown.

Spoilers are fun, but this is just pure speculation.