Alot of suggestions have been made about Sylar maybe becomming the leader of the villians. I can't see this happening as surly Sylar would just want to take the powers from everyone that he teams up with. Why would he work with someone that had a power that he wanted and not kill them.

Here are a few suggestions for volume 3.

1. Sylar teams up with someone that has a power that he already has. That way he wouldn't need to kill them.

2. Sylar teams up with someone with a similar power to the Haitians, therefore he wouldn't be able to steal his power. (Although this would not stop Sylar from killing him by hitting him with something which he has done a few times before to kill people)

3. Someone approaches Sylar with an offer. Help me with my plan, and if it's successful then you'll have plently of people to steal powers from.

4. Volume 3 has 3 different groups; the heroes, the villians and Sylar who would be a threat to both groups.

These are just a few ideas that I have had; what do people think?

1. I think he'd still kill them just in case the power was a little bit different. He really doesn't have a grand agenda that requires assistance.
2. As you mentioned he'd knock them out and take it.
3. That's a possibility. I think his partner would be short lived though.
4. This is essentially the case now. We have heroes, the Company, and Sylar a threat to both. I completely expect this to continue.

I don't think Sylar will be teaming with anyone. I think they'll use him as a menace that just shows up and reeks havoc as other story lines are played out.

So far we haven't seen any villian organizations just out for themselves. Crime for money and power (a Kingpin type group) is what I expect from volume 3. Linderman was close to that type of leader but his agenda was always larger than street crime.
If this is the case I could see Parkman emerging as a crime fighting leader as soliciting the help of others as needed.

good points - the only thing sylar wants more than power, is more power. the only reason i think he would team up with someone, is if it is a means to more power than just what he can gain from one person. also, he might realize that despite the fact that he has all of these abilities, he is just one person. so he might be considering a "strength in numbers" mentality.....but ONLY if he has the control. we know he is always looking for more power, but he realizes that he might have to cooperate with other SG's to get that power - so let's say he meets someone and decides to use them for his own ends rather than kill them and take their ability - if they stray from his agenda or if they have a change of heart, all he has to do is kill them and take their power. so, the only way he would cooperate with someone, is if it is a way to get more power and if he is the one pulling the strings.

I could easily see a couple of 'villains' convince Sylar not to kill them by saying they have valuable information he could use to either get more SGs to steal powers from or to destroy the Company. Adam could be a good example of that.

Also, the question assumes (as apparently do most posters) that Sylar can easily kill anyone that comes his way, which I seriously doubt. There's probably some badass SGs out there that have been at it for years, while Sylar barely has a single year of experience with his powers. Even Maury Parkman (assuming he managed to come out of coma) could give him some trouble, if Sylar was to raid the Company's HQ and check out their prison.

i dont know if this is a fact but wouldnt sylar's root ability (IA) allow him to fully utilize his acquired powers? meaning - his IA allows him to intuitively understand how things work so wouldnt he be just as adept (or more adept) at using his abilities as anyone else?
i hope that some of the new villains are badass enough to stand up to sylar and at least hold their ground. i still think sylar is the most dangerous SG (good or bad) out there. peter is the most powerful and potentially the most dangerous, but he hasnt really shined as of yet.

Right. I didn't mean to say that Sylar doesn't control his abilities well, I meant to say that some SGs might have years of experience of fighting other SGs, whereas Sylar never really encountered anyone that gave him any trouble, except for Peter.

Interesting thought. All of Sylar's victims have been very passive with their powers. Those that have fought back (Peter & Elle) have faired fine.

I still don't see him as a leader of a group, even short term. He's too thirsty, he wouldn't be patient enough. Only exception I can think of is if he ran across then wanted to take down a really big fish and needed help to do it. Peter for instance.

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In the second of the above "Villians" video clips you will after Sylar emerges from behind Angela Petrelli, a cut to silohouetted figures who may be Heroes or Villians.

Now assuming they are Heroes and manage to wipe the floor with him, it would be the SECOND time he had been beaten up by a group of Heroes working together despite the fact he had the greater number of powers. It will finally occur to the little beast that there is strength in numbers. And if they are Villians and fight him and he's sent scampering away the same applies.

The simple fact is he may have an enormous number of powers but he has only two eyes and none at the back of his head.

Also as has been pointed out Maury and the Haitian or someone with Maury's powers or the Haitians powers could take him down.

And remember Sylar still has Presidential and global ambitions. He wants to be the most "special" and "powerful" person in the world. When he acquired all the powers he thought he needed he went into defend and hold mode.

I could see him teaming with Adam for the following reasons.
1)Adam's knowledge of the company
2)His long military, strategic and logistical knowledge. If they go to War with the Heroes or anyone else.
3)His blood. Just in case of wounds, etc.
4)When he feels he doesn't need him any more he'll take his power.

If Sylar does engage in any kind of SG war be it gang war or state war he'll need to acquire Maya's power so he can kill large numbers of people without necessarily destroying property. That's assuming that Sylar still doesn't want to dramatically alert the rest of the world to the existence of SGs yet as Peter did when he exploded in "Five Years Gone". Otherwise, I always thought his lust for Maya's power was redundant. But then again, if he takes her power, he'll be able to use as a kind of "stun gun" since he would be able to undo its effects. He could use it to threaten as well as kill

As to patience, I think his jaunts with Mohinder, Al and Maya taught him well. And since he'd be a leader of like minded fiends, he wouldn't have to waste energy dissembling about his intentions. All he'd have to do is manipulate their wants and desires as he did with Maya and Mohinder.

I've got the feeling that Sylar will always be a bit of a lone shark.

I somewhat disagree with that. From my understanding of 5 Years Gone, he only became president as part of pretending he was Nathan, all in order to gain Claire's power. Remember, the moment he learned that Claire was caught, he blew is cover by flying away to get to her.

You're remembering that wrong. He already had taken Claire's power by then. He flew away to fight Peter. He had thought Peter was dead and knew he was the only one who had the powers to challenge him.

Sylar won't take everyones power, just those he feels don't deserve it.

You're right and you're wrong. he did already have Claire's power, but the reason he flew away to fight peter wasn't because he know he that peter had the powers to challenge him, if was because he wanted Hiro killed and peter was holding off parkman.

Future Hiro was a threat, but he was already dead. Past Hiro simply wanted to get away back to the past which leaves Peter alone to challenge Sylar.

I also forgot to say that Sylar did not become President simply to get Claire's powers but to fulfill his mother's ambitions for him so he could whole and 'special.'

I don't know for certain that he did have Claire's powers. In the episode "5 years gone" or some other episode that involved the future, Claire was still alive and being hidden. Now unless Claire managed to heal herself after Sylar had taken the power I'm not sure but I did find it strange that we saw Claire still alive after all of the "Save the cheerleader" stuff.

Maybe she was killed and then someone healed and so moved without telling anyone.

Also; future Peter had a scar on his face because he had never gotten Claire's power if I remember right Sylar did it to him. But if Sylar did have Claire's power then surely Peter would have just absorbed the heal power and then no scar...

In the 5 Years Gone timeline, Peter had in fact saved Claire at the Homecoming, then she went into hiding after the explosion in NY. But in the episode, she does get killed by Sylar and doesn't come back afterwards.


It was never explained why Peter had that scar even though he actually did have Claire's power. This was hotly debated at the time, and some people mentioned that Tim Kring apparently said in an interview that we would eventually know how it happened. Maybe he was injured while his powers were somehow disabled.

If Peter was injured while his power was disabled, his injury would presumably heal completely upon regaining his powers. One could imagine this happening in much the same way it does when injured people receive Adam's or Claire's blood.

Did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps Peter was injured in a fight with another SG? An injury inflicted by a power with some characteristic or some level of strength that Peter's healing was not able to entirely overcome? The show has clearly set up significant origin/backstory behind the scar, given its mention early in vol 1, and the several times after that. We should probably be looking for some extraordinary event...

Claire managed to heal completely after being nearly incinerated. She was little more that a skeleton when she left the house after injecting Ted. Somehow I doubt that some other (physical) power would be abel to overcome Claire's/Peter's healing ability. An interference or mental power (similar to the Haitian or Matt) could be another story entirely.

As to Peter's scar. We don't know the specifics of how the healing factor in Claire and/or Mohinder's blood work. There are all sorts of factors that could conceivably contribute to his not healing entirely:

1)The fact Claire is still a teen-ager and therefore still growing naturally may be a factor in her healing.
2) Age - Peter's ability to heal is limited by his age and how bad injury was and what caused it.
3)Power Absorption - Peter has been called a "power sponge" but we don't how much of another SG's power he absorbs. It might be only 75%, the rest he might have to consciously work on to get it to 100%. We don't know.

I don't think we should be so literal about the powers. Let me clue you guys in on something, the powers are a metaphor for who the charachters are and what their role in the story is. Ted has a bad temper. He can go nuclear. Niki is a mother who's husband was in jail and mixed up with gangsters in order to get special education for her son. Hence she is Super Strong. Teen-age Claire can get hurt again, again, and still be strong and beautiful. She is resilient like most teen-agers. Except she can heal literally. Nathan is a "high" flying politician. Get it.

Thank you, Rebel. For the most part I agree with what you are saying regarding the metaphor-power parallel.

But back to my earlier assertion... there are numerous explanations that could account for why Peter's scar did not heal completely... most of which support the notion that the wound was too severe. Assuming that Peter's healing factor can overcome anything seems unjustified. I'm sure it will be explained eventually, we'll just have to wait and see.

If his powers were returned soon after, then yes. But what if his powers had been disabled for a long time - long enough for his injury to heal normally? We can't really be sure, but I don't think the regeneration could heal pre-existing injuries that were already healed naturally. For example, HRG still needs his glasses after being injected with Claire's blood. In the same vein, I think we can assume that if someone had lost an arm years ago, and was injected with a regen's blood after a car accident, the injuries from the accident would heal, but his arm would probably not grow back.
Similary, if Peter had somehow lost the regen power, got slashed across the face, then re-gained the ability months later after the cut had already scarred, isn't possible that it wouldn't heal, then?

There is an old thread about Peter becoming too powerful where I suggested that maybe there's a way for him to lose all his acquired abilities, and he would need to start from scratch. That could be a way for this to happen.

Adam could still heal, even from the radiation ball that Peter hurled at him. I doubt age is a factor, simply because of how old Adam is.


The REAL reason I believe, is because of Hiro.

Remember... Hiro came back from a future where Peter had gone nuclear. He told Peter specifically... save the cheerleader, save the world.

We can assume that in the other reality, Peter had NOT saved Clair and that probably hadn't even come into contact with her and therefore DID NOT have Clair's healing power until later, where he ran into Sylar and absorbed it from him.

So presumably, the scar was given to him somewhere during that time period. Since that timeline was altered by future Hiro warning Peter, the scar may NEVER happen in the current timeline.

There was an interview with Kring and the scar will be explained, and he does get it. If I can find the interview I will post the link. If someone else finds the link first, please post it and save he the search.

Thanks

This was talked about earlier in the thread, but I wanted to add my thoughts.

I really do believe that Peter, in his current condition, would mop the floor with Sylar. As we saw in Powerless, Peter has gained great control over his abilities (TK, Mind Reading, Elle's power and it would seem Ted's power as well). I also think that because he is more willing to act by using his powers that he would not be as hesitant to do so now. Just my opinion...

Then who would take him down when he became drunk with power?

I just watched one of the volume 3 trailers again and heard some good stuff.

theres a part in one of them where Mr. Bennet says something like," These people are dangerous, like 12 sylars walking around" maybe thats how many new people there are.

and in the other Mrs. Petrelli says something like," these people are horrible, rapists, ARSONISTS, murderers." maybe when she says Arsonists it means claires mom?

only the writers and tim kring know what will happen...

I guess it's time I return and straighten some of you out...

Sylar cannot and will not be teaming up with anyone unless he has no choice like his Odyssey with Maya and Alejandro. The only way any partnership could work outside of this same scenario is in a "Sith" situation where he is the learner.

For the uninitiated, in the modern era of Star Wars, there are always two Sith. One the learner and one the master. The reason is simple, they, like Sylar, seek absolute power. Eventually, when they have nothing else to learn, have the opportunity or just grow stronger, they kill their masters. Their relationship is symbiotic in that the master stays sharp and vigil and the learner seeks to attain the master's levels.

As a master, Sylar would simply destroy his "pupil" but as an inferior learner, he would learn submission and to bide his time.

Imagine a character like Adam, much older and more in control of his powers, and thus much stronger. With similar (an empath) or complimentary abilities which check Sylar's own.

Good point. This seems like a plausible story.

He is going to team up with Mr.Bennet to catch the villians and as his bribe. All the people they catch he gets a new power.