Due to the length of the thread here, I have capped that thread and opened this new one to continue the discussion.

JD/Forum Moderator

Since it looks like that I am going to be the 1st one to post on Part 3, I would like to take this opertunity to point out that any reasonable person who has been following the show would come to the conclusion that Chuck's father has died and that his mother deserted him and Ellie.

^^^OMG!! Will you and CNC ever give up on this??????

i think that there should be a seperate thread for you 2, are they or aren't they???

on another note, the beard! i kinda like it on zac, i think they could make it work if they wanted to,

The beard does make him look a little more mature, or maybe I should say, a little more "worldly" and not so innocent.

Here is how they can incorporate Zachary's beard into the show. Chuck can't take Sarah's denial anymore, so he lays down an ultimatum. Sarah decides she had better get out before things get really messy, so she requests and receives a reassignment to an overseas post. Chuck is shocked that Sarah calls his bluff; he is so depressed he neglects his personal grooming. Totally disheartened--first Jill, then Sarah--he gives up on all women, and resigns himself to a life of "bromance" with Morgan. Viewers across America goes, "Eeww!" and flip the channel. Variety's headline: "America Chucks 'Chuck' ". So does NBC.

Now Zachary really doesn't have to shave. Yvonne goes on to her terrific movie career, earlier than she expected.

^ LMAO. so in other words: no beard.

The beard would be a world wide disaster.

First off, it's opportunity. There is a spell checker on the dialog box . And second, not sure why you would have to state the obvious, of course Chuck's father is dead and his mother left him and Ellie. What did you think we thought, you and CNC where arguing for real? Chuck's father is a dead-beat and abandoned them. Or better yet, he and Ellie celebrate "the Death" of the mother. That would be kinda sick in both scenarios . CNC is just pulling your leg . You guys should cut it out .

^^^ I am not pulling his leg! There is no way the mother is alive. I'd stake my fanfic future on it. And Mity, other people agree with me, so we are out there, and we are right! Look at the sig.

Rick, you didn't have the first post. AZ did.

Gator, no on the giving up thing, and no on the beard thing. One more and you strike out. The beard makes him look like a homeless dude.

Well, that would suck then if us "Mom is dead/Dad left" theorists are wrong (probably not though...). Really suck...

hey, he looked good with it in spiral!!

hmm, maybe it's b/c Zach's hair is too long that it makes his beard look bad!

I got two things to say. First no beard. Second Chuck's dad is alive and mom is dead.

So your theory is ?, that Mother died of some horrible disease or accident and left her children and an early age. Her children were so distraught that they now celebrate her death as the time they now depend upon each other for support. Their father, knowing how the death of their mother affected his children decided that the best thing to do would be to abandon his children and make them orphan so that they can really depend on each other. And Chuck is an Action-Comedy ? Oh, yea, come to think of it, that makes sense, drama at highest level. Rick, we may have to rethink this. This Mother Dead / Father Alive theory might actually make sense.
Not sure about Rick's train of thought, but since neither sibling mentioning their father except in an old quote. Father has not been mentioned ONCE, Devon would bring it up if he went to the trouble of asking Chuck "the man in Ellie's family". It makes sense to me that he just died, they seemed to like the "Aces Charles" quote, doesn't really sound like a quote from a deadbeat dad who would abandon his kids. As for the mother, Mothers Day would be special, her birthday would be special, not the day she died, LAST thing you would think of celebrating is the day somebody died. His mother left!, she abandon her kids, she forced them into having them support themselves. She left her husband in a state that his kids thought , "Dad was here, but never really here". As to why she left, sure you can "fill-in-the-blank" as to storylines that might fit the Action-Comedy preface that would be mildly dramatic.
Mother Dead / Father Alive - Dark Drama filled with sadness and abandonment, Sorry, I'm not buying it, and to tell you the truth, I'm pulling for Mother Alive/Father Died - but Mother has died since she left them theory. End of story on the parent theories, we should move on, both Ellie and Chuck have moved on nicely without either of them.
BTW, But since you did mention FanFic, you can be right about the Mom/Dad theory there, after all, it is just fiction in those storylines.
One more thing, on the season two opener, I would not be surprised to see a Bearded Chuck, in a underground facility fixing the Beta Intersect while flashing on new intelligence and updating himself. This way killing two birds with one stone and giving Zach his wish of keeping the beard for a few scenes. We could then move on to Chuck and Sarah storyline and Team Chuck going on missions again.

Too easy.
- Mother was taken or was forced to leave (ala CIA AGENT). Possibly assumed dead or may have been killed sometime later/before show.
- Everyone thought she left of her own freewill.
- Father died of broken heart (may have know truth of agent status). (hence his drinking and 'there but not' statements)
would draw parallels to Sarah/Chuck.

On the beard thing....
- captured and put to work for a month or so before they can get to him would allow him to have a beard, would display 'more' feelings from Sarah to Chuck, but Chuck would be 'tougher/darker'

^^^ CC, we know what ever happened to the mother was after whatever happened to the father, so the father couldn't have died of heartbreak; besides the fact he's still alive.

Gator, he was younger then. I'm male, so I can't be sure of anything here, but you can't tell me that extrement hanging down from his chin look good.

Mity, you want a theory. Give me a day or so; I'm going to rewatch relevant episodes (I want exact quotes), and type it up on word, then I'll post it.

avsfan and iwto, I always knew I liked you guys.

Ha ha ha, thanks


Well, he did play a sorta "eviler" character... Wouldn't fit in so much with Chuck's character... And the long hair with the beard does look bad, not so much with short hair.

Remember, we are talking about the "real" Chuck Show here not your Fanfic stories. I have no idea where your drawing the conclusion that whatever happened to the mother was after the father.

In the Pilot, Ellie uses the dad quote "Aces Charles, your Aces" - Chuck sounded like he liked the reference to his dad. In episode two, Chuck wears his dad's suit to Bryce's funeral. Chuck says it's his only one, and Ellie says their dad wouldn't have minded. And in the Sizzling Shrimp episode, Chuck says to Sarah, "Yes, Mother's Day, you don't really know.".(gets a lump in throat and continues).."Mother's day is the anniversary of the day that our mother left us. Our dad was here but he was never really here."
"So now every year we celebrate the day we learned how to take care of ourselves". And then Ellie adds, "and Rely on each other". (thinking that they can't rely on their parents anymore)
And from that you folks think his mother is dead and father is alive. WOW
As far as I'm concerned, their parents are dead issues, I don't see any importance in bringing them back into the show at all. The show is based on Action Comedy, I don't see how either the mom or the dad would bring anything but a Dark Drama and abandonment storyline to the show, however, if Mom comes back from CIA custody like CC mentioned, that could be cool. Bringing the dad back as a deadbeat and a drunk to look like a loser, the show's got one, Jeff.

Mity, look at what you just typed.

The day their mother left them/died whatever was the day they learned to take care of themselves; so logically, the father had already left them/died at that point.

I can't see how people can think that, from that conversation, the mom is alive.

CNC, so your logic is based on Chuck telling Sarah (who has no clue about his parents history), that the reason why she is here now in present to celebrate Mother's Day is to first provide a fact about the past and then provide another fact about a time before that. And not to use the progression from past to current, that's the logic?

If you wanted to make the argument about the father not being there before the mother problem, shouldn't Chuck had said the part about the father not being there first and then SINCE their mother died/left as well, then they were forced to rely on each other. I heard it as he said it, His mother left, and then his father was never there (mentally) after that, like he couldn't get over the mother leaving. No one I talk to talks about the past then as the story progression and goes further back into the past instead of bringing the story to the present.

I guess you're thinking they really made a mistake about the Dad quote, "Aces Charles, your Aces" from the pilot. Not something I would think I'd hear from someone who wasn't there for his kids, which is the basis for your argument, he abandoned them mentally before their mother died.

Well Mity, I guess there are multiple ways to look at it; I never considered that the dad 'mentally' wasn't there after the mom's death; but now that you bring it up; I still disagree, though I'm not sure how this argument is that important. I look at the way Chuck said it, and it makes sense to me. And if that's because of my 'faulty' logic, then okay, I'm fine with that.

But you can't say there is anything faulty with the logic of Chuck's mom being dead; if only because of the fact I'm not the only one that thinks it. You will ask what logic, and don't worry, it is forthcoming; I'm a slow typer.

I look forward to reading it, however my point doesn't really change. Chuck's parents are part of Team Bartowski which is typically part of the Comedy side of the show. I can see either parent bringing any value to the show from that standpoint. Having he mother come back as part of some Spy thing, that might play out somewhere. But from the back-story point of view, neither Chuck nor Ellie need any additional background information that either parent can provide.

I find the Beta intersect and Casey's orders a more interesting topics, both I think will be cut short due to the time gap that we found ourselves in.

Casey orders plot is easy, he is not going to kill chuck, period. He IS staying on the Team, so bottom line that "potential dedicated entire episode to the storyline" probably gets stuck into a scene or two. The Beta Intersect, that is more interesting. From the Pilot we found that it would take 6 months, at Christmas we knew it was pretty close. SO, for Season two, it's here, online and going to be whatever kind of problem that the writers come up with. That too I am afraid will also be rushed through, I am really hoping that they write in some kind of "problem" with the Beta Intersect and Chuck comes in and fixes it somehow, or they do drag it out a bit and Chuck is in the process of fixing it so that they can stretch it out for an episode or two. Those two storylines seem much more interesting and important rather than which parent is alive or dead.

The beta Intersect is the most interesting storyline, and because of how much time they spent setting it up; I'm sure they won't toss it out the window; that makes me think they almost have to not have a time gap. I'm hoping they misspoke at Paley, but I trust the writers, whatever happens.

The disposition of both parents has been left ambiguous just so the writers have more options in the future. I don't see this argument settled soon if ever.

The time gap was my biggest argument back in January when I thought they should continue the season after the writers' strike. Both creators Josh and Chris seem to agree on its importance, so unless both of them mis-spoke or they along with the other 7 producer/writers have been delegated to producing only. I would expect them to somehow get the show back on track from a time-line perspective. I for one applaud Chuck's creators decision. Granted I would have much rather been about to watch 5-6 episodes starting next week (like some other shows starting up in April) which would have probably finished season one off properly, but I don't work at NBC and can't follow their logic either. Oh well. I'm sure we will get some idea in the coming months of where their direction is going, they start filming in May and should have the season opener done before Comic-Con. I would be interested to hear if it's a two hour season opener, after all there is probably a lot to cover.

With the statement about adding new characters and some ongoing villians, I suppose in a 5-8 year series and over 100 episodes they may have the "what really happened to Chuck's parents" episode as a filler episode at sometime. Overdumb is right, the argument won't be solved soon if ever.

A lot of people agree with you too Rick, at best, we're evenly split on this.

I agree. Some of us are right, and the rest of you are wrong (sorry, couldn't help myself).

My vote is to remain centered on what the show has focused on so far. The comming of the beta intersect, the status of chuck living or dying (we know dying won't happen at least not permanently), and the fact that Fulcrum is closing in. With Josh S saying they move it up a notich with new characters and villians I hoping that doesn't happen right away. Of course if they resolve Fulcrum does that mean no more bryce. Plenty of things to think about besides the status of chuck/ellie parents.

So Chuck should die just a little bit then, not too much, just for a few weeks, like Bryce did. They fake his death so it throws Fulcrum off the trail. Graham sweetens the deal and gives Casey another Crown Vic if he kills Chuck.

Don't you think that would be kind of hard for the other 21 minutes of the show where Team Bartowski might miss Chuck being around if he is supposed to be dead. I pretty sure that Chuck won't be dying anytime soon, not unless there is another secret enemy that arises after Team Chuck has eliminated the Fulcrum threat. And the other emery agency is call Scenario 5.


I'm just kidding with you, I understand your point and fully agree the parents thing is not that important, and there are more important issues and scenarios to discuss.




Even if Rick is right.!

If they resolve Fulcrum then there would be more Bryce I would think. That is his whole mission. If the mission is complete then there is no need for him to be hiding in the future releases.

Bryce could show up once or twice, but frankly I don't see any reason for him to ever make another appearance. Also as far a fulcrum goes, I'm not sure that they will ever completely getting rid of them. I could see that they think they have destroyed them just to have Fulcrum pop up again somewhere else.

I can see Bryce reappearing just when Team Chuck takes down Fulcrum, whenever that may be.

I've said it before that the only reason that I would like for Bryce to come back is so that Sarah could tell him in no uncertain terms that she is in love with Chuck.

Fulcrum is huge, ties into every agency is what they said. I don't see them ever being taken down. They will probably be there throughout the series.

As for Bryce, if he doesn't die this season, Bryce will make an appearence probably 2-5 times per season until he dies.

Yeah, you and Rick wish.

Bryce will be back several times, I think, because as the title of his episode suggests, he will be Chuck's nemesis. And I think he is evil.

Bryce more than likely somehow killed Chuck's mother. j/k

The time gap is no problem at all in regard to the beta intersect. Six months was an awful optimistic projection for such a major undertaking to begin with. If they are calling it a beta that means new hardware and/or software. Even the glitches will have glitches in that kind of rush job.

After 13 great episodes here is what I believe. And by all means feel free to disagree.
1. That chuck will evenyually win sarah over and that chuck/sarah will have a real relationship were both have expressed emotionally and verbally their true feeling for each other.

2. That even though chuck/sarah will have a real relationship it will be by no means a normal one

3. I'm going to regret saying this but I believe the mother is alive and the father is decessed.

4. That Bryce is a clone

5. That we have some great fanfic writers and have enjoyed reading their stories. Keep it up because right now it feels like September is a looooong way off.

Chuckster,

1 - I agree except Sarah will never talk about it. She'll just tell Chuck the relationship is real and let him fill in the blanks.

2 - A normal relationship never had a chance.

3 - The mother will become important to an episode somewhere in the first 7 seasons.

4 - Bryce is enough of a jerk he doesn't have to be a clone.

5 - saving all the fanfic for desperate times.

^^^^^

1. Chuck has already won Sarah over; she just has to give up the job excuse.

2. I agree. There will be issues.

3. No comment.

4. That about says it all. When are you saying Bryce became a clone?

5. I agree. You should write some fanfic!

At the end of episode 9 when sarah/casey discovered it was bryce in a cryo tank from a over seas Fulcrum hideout. This has all the tall tell signs of a SciFi plot for human clone development. The real bryce was dying and so the cloned him for his mind and what they thought contained thre intersect. Yea I know far fetched. And I'm going to leave the fanfics to you and the others. You do alot better job than I could ever do

1. Yes eventually, but Sarah will be less verbal.

2. Oh Yea, "a normal one", never had a chance.

3.

4. Actually....

5. During my stint in Chuck "Rehab" - I learned to stay away from the Fanfics.

1. Sarah probably already believes it's real...just different. It'll be awhile before it's expressed verbally as an open commitment.
2. No chance of it ever being completely normal; that would be way too predictable.
3. I've thought this all along.
4. Too fanciful for me, but still a distant possiblity.
5. Haven't yet started reading the fanfic.

1. Chuck and Sarah will get together, and early on Sarah will tell Chuck about her feelings, knowing how hard it is for her to tell him, he will know just how deep her feelings are.

2. No way will their relationship be normal.

3. Well of course the Mother is alive and the Father is dead.

4-5 No comment.

1. I think Chuck had already won Sarah over.

2. Normal is so... boring

3. uh-huh...sure...

4.

5. Fanfics are fun, and great way to avoid, horrible, horrible, Chuck withdraws...

Now that we know that Chuck is from Connecticut, it is kinda weird that Bryce was also from Connecticut but he knows Morgan from LA. Chuck lived in Lanewood, Quartz Hill and Hartford (all in Connecticut), with his birthplace listed as Hartford. My guess is that he probably lived therefor a while. So when did he hook up with Morgan ?

Does Connecticut have any " US intelligence community" there, any of the three-letter agencies headquartered there ? I thought it was the Insurance Captial of the World.

I thought that Chuck was from Ensino.

That's what I thought too! That's what Morgan said (well, it is Morgan...) But I'm pretty lost...

We've been covering this in the Chuckoholic thread.


Chuck was originally from Connecticut and then moved to Santa Clara, CA

The Pilot mentions them in Echo Park, CA

Morgan's mentioning Chuck being from Encino is completely out of the blue.



By the way, does the fact brought up in 'Chuck versus the Alma Mater' after he flashes on himself in the Intersect which goes, Casey: "you didn't show up on the NSA radar until after Bryce blew up the Intersect." Sarah: "or the CIA's"
prove that there can be no history of Bartowski's as part of the intelligence community including Mom or Dad?