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gbz
Okay, there has been this debate all over the forum. So, let's see what everyone thinks (and hope our Mod doesn't merge this poll into other-ever-so-long threads).

What is your take regarding Chuck/Ellie's Mom and Dad (according to the 13-episodes)?
hubbabubbaMAX
I think they're both alive, SOMEWHERE. We never found out about the dad, but we do know that the mom left when they were young, so one day, I think at least the mom or some one will show up at theyre door, expecting a hug and a kiss from theyre son and daughter.

I can definantly see this being a plot outline for some part of the upcoming season, since they already brought back Bryce, so early.
CodeNameChuck
What a great idea! gbz, you are a genius! A whole thread to discuss this!

It is obvious that the Mother is dead, and the Father is alive. Case closed.
gbz
it's safe to assume both are still alive.... for the sakes of story arces in the longterm.

Expect the unexpected.
hubbabubbaMAX
QUOTE (CodeNameChuck @ Apr 14 2008, 03:51 PM) *
What a great idea! gbz, you are a genius! A whole thread to discuss this!

It is obvious that the Mother is dead, and the Father is alive. Case closed.



Did they ever mention that the Mothers dead?
Im still a little rusty, I sadly to admit, havent watched an episode since January, and i'm off to watch em now, but unless I missed it, I dont think they ever said the mother is dead...
OhioChuckFan
Chuck sort of implied it at the "mother's day" dinner. The only thing I can say with certainty is at least one of them is alive. I think it's the father.
SuperSpy001
What has been said about the father sound like he's dead. The references to the mother hint at her abandoning the family. In either case, they are so vague that I decided that it's the writers' ploy to give themselves an out in case they want to bring in the mom and pop characters when they run out of story line in the fifth season or something.
elysia05
i think that mom is still alive and the dad died when they were young, but the writers could go either way.
gatorfan13
just roll with the writers, they are the only ones that really know and will surprise us all!!!
shortpinoyguy
I say his father is alive and mother is dead...maybe I'm bias on this because his father alive in my fanfic.

Anyways, I'm just going to roll with the writers on this and see what they have in store.
IwuztheOffice
Mom's is dead, and the father is still alive. Just my opinion. It's still hard to say! We'll see the truth soon!
MichiganChuckFan
Only the writers know but based on the info we have so far I would have to say that their mom is alive and their dad is dead.
hubbabubbaMAX
QUOTE (OhioChuckFan @ Apr 14 2008, 04:51 PM) *
Chuck sort of implied it at the "mother's day" dinner. The only thing I can say with certainty is at least one of them is alive. I think it's the father.



Actually, no he didnt imply it at the dinner. He said she dissapeared, or left on them. That doesnt mean, in anyway, thats she's dead. You never know what she went on to do.
hubbabubbaMAX
QUOTE (MichiganChuckFan @ Apr 14 2008, 06:37 PM) *
Only the writers know but based on the info we have so far I would have to say that their mom is alive and their dad is dead.

Thats my second guess if Both parents arent alive. I would most definantly say the dads dead, and the mom is still around there somewhere, guilty that she left her children all alone.
radix365
The jury's still out for me on whether the father is dead or alive or the mom is dead or alive. For me, I have trust in the writers to come up with a great story involving these two. They've done an awesome job so far.
CodeNameChuck
QUOTE (hubbabubbaMAX @ Apr 14 2008, 05:39 PM) *
Actually, no he didnt imply it at the dinner. He said she dissapeared, or left on them. That doesnt mean, in anyway, thats she's dead. You never know what she went on to do.

Yes, he did. He said she left them, and that is a Chuckish way of saying she died.
hubbabubbaMAX
QUOTE (CodeNameChuck @ Apr 14 2008, 06:58 PM) *
Yes, he did. He said she left them, and that is a Chuckish way of saying she died.



True, he is a bit sensitive and would rather say it like that.
That really does change the way i will look at it, but untill I completely put together my thoughts on that, im sticking with Mom is still alive.
chuckster54
I agree the writer know best. But for now I'm leaning mom alive and father dead
dora_the_explorer
I am going to go with Mom dead Father alive. laugh.gif
gambitarchangel
Some lines in a couple of the early episodes suggest that the father is probably dead. And as for the mother....I'm not sure where saying she left them means she's dead. And saying that's just something Chuck would say because he's sensitive, is a baseless assumption. Typically when someone says "she left us"....whether on TV or realife, they mean she simply walked out on them.
Canadian_Chucky
Maybe....
- their mom left because she was recalled (agent/double agent) and it broke her dads heart
- kids don't know details other than she 'left us', but dad maybe did
- dad drank himself to death
CodeNameChuck
I don't think we need another agent around Chuck; that would be too unrealistic, I think. Plus, the mom is dead. smile.gif
MichiganChuckFan
No his mom is alive and his dad is dead.
ipon
I also believe that Chuck's mother is alive and his father is dead.
sharp_as_a_marble
I think about this from the writers' perspective.

In a series, you need potential plotlines. That's part of why everything is so vague at this point.

I still say that it will turn out that the mother left for a CIA role ... it will eventually cause Chuck to worry that Sarah might leave the same way some day, and he'll have seen what it did to his father. More romantic tension when things get really serious between the two.
CodeNameChuck
^^^ Then Chuck hasn't flashed on an old picture, or her name or anything? You can't say she wouldn't be in the Intersect, if she is an agent, which I doubt, since she is dead.
hubbabubbaMAX
That is a good point though.
Why hasnt he flashed on her yet?
but did he flash on Sarah Walker when he first seen her, or heard her name?

I understand she could be using a different name, but why hadent he also flashed on Bryce Larkin, unless he did, and I forgot about it.
sharp_as_a_marble
QUOTE (CodeNameChuck @ Apr 15 2008, 02:44 PM) *
^^^ Then Chuck hasn't flashed on an old picture, or her name or anything? You can't say she wouldn't be in the Intersect, if she is an agent, which I doubt, since she is dead.


Counterargument: when the CIA agents came to pick up Bryce at the Buy More, Chuck did not flash on them.

I would tend to agree with you that every agent should be in there (he flashed on Carina and Longshore, after all), but TPTB do not seem to go along with that idea, and it's their universe. Chuck specifically did not flash on certain agents when looking directly at them, so there are exceptions.

Heck, Chuck didn't flash on Sarah until he saw the ring or had Casey spit out mission names.
CodeNameChuck
Well, all of this is speculation, but every agent would have to be in there, if the info in the pilot was correct, with Beckman saying all info was in there... I just think it would be a bit cheesy to have one of Chuck's parents be an agent, but that's just me! smile.gif
sharp_as_a_marble
I didn't say that the idea wasn't cheesy. Being a series, certain cheesy plot devices are inevitable.

I'm just placing my bet on his mom being alive and an agent because of the potential plotlines it opens up.
CodeNameChuck
Well then, according to your philosphy of plot line openings, wouldn't it open more if the father was alive as well?
MichiganChuckFan
I am quite surprised at these results. Total opposite of what I thought was the mainstream opinion on his parents.
sharp_as_a_marble
QUOTE (CodeNameChuck @ Apr 16 2008, 04:38 AM) *
Well then, according to your philosphy of plot line openings, wouldn't it open more if the father was alive as well?


Potentially. But I do think that one is harder to explain: with loving kids like Ellie and Chuck, you would think he would have appeared by this point. If their mom disappeared from their lives altogether, that would explain why she hasn't appeared.

I don't think any answer is ironclad, so I'm fine with people disagreeing. Maybe they have absolutely no intention of bringing back Chuck's parents, but given the show thrives on the Chuck-and-Sarah angst, the mother-left-the-family-for-the-agency angle gives the writers another wrench to throw into their relationship (Chuck wondering if Sarah might leave him like his mother left), likely causing Chuck to wonder why he didn't just sleep with Carina in the first place.
CodeNameChuck
QUOTE (MichiganChuckFan @ Apr 16 2008, 02:49 PM) *
I am quite surprised at these results. Total opposite of what I thought was the mainstream opinion on his parents.

32 people have voted thus far out of 7 million or so who constantly watch it. Not a wide sampling. Plus, I don't care if I was the only one who thinks what I think, I would know that I am right. smile.gif

Sharp, I don't think Chuck will ever wonder why he didn't sleep with Carina, she is not his type, and he's not that kind of guy. He would want to have a real relationship with someone, I think. And the mother is dead, so it doesn't matter anyway. smile.gif
SLW1717
The problem is your not selling Option 1 enough. When you added the note about Morgan and Ellie, it was a good touch but you need to add the Bryce is EVIL story !, that will sway the voting public. I'm sure the general public is almost there in following your logic, they just need a little nudge. wink.gif
CodeNameChuck
Okay, I admit the Morgan/Ellie thing may be a bit out there, but the fact that Chuck's mother is dead is factually supported, just as much as her being alive is.
hubbabubbaMAX
FIANLLY!
You admitted to it wink.gif

I would actually die to see Morgan and Ellie together...
CodeNameChuck
I didn't admit anything, I just said it may seem unlikely, which it does, but I can see how it would easily happen, and will. smile.gif
Lily1
rolling.gif This topic keeps getting resurrected! ha! OK, here's a a few really speculative points: would Chuck even recognize either parent even if he did flash on them in the intersect? Would their names be changed? Do we know if dad was ever around at all? Has he had cause to flash on either one of them yet anyway? Could info about them be buried under his own intersect files, some of which may still be forthcoming?
Just for laughs!
hubbabubbaMAX
QUOTE (CodeNameChuck @ Apr 21 2008, 08:25 PM) *
I didn't admit anything, I just said it may seem unlikely, which it does, but I can see how it would easily happen, and will. smile.gif

Oh Damn it. I would LOVE to see Ellie and Morgan together, but then it would ruin the perfect relationship of Capt. Awesome && Ellie.
How about they get drunk, Ellie kisses Morgan, Morgan ends up spilling the beans on what happened, Awesome is shocked, can't believe it breaks up with her, and Ellie is made at Morgan, and ends up with neither of em? tongue.gif

QUOTE (Lily1 @ Apr 22 2008, 05:53 PM) *
rolling.gif This topic keeps getting resurrected! ha! OK, here's a a few really speculative points: would Chuck even recognize either parent even if he did flash on them in the intersect? Would their names be changed? Do we know if dad was ever around at all? Has he had cause to flash on either one of them yet anyway? Could info about them be buried under his own intersect files, some of which may still be forthcoming?
Just for laughs!

I don't think you can forget your parents face, unless they really werent a parent to you at all. I can bet that If the mother was alive, then her name would be changed.The dad was around, Chuck and Ellie mention him, but he was there, but really wasnt. I would love to see Chuck on his parents! We could see how he treats those people in his family that once abondoned him. Wouldnt it be cool to see him act mean toward them?
CodeNameChuck
The way he has talked about his father, he would be nice towards him. But his mom is dead, so he will never get the chance there.
hubbabubbaMAX
You and your theories, I swear...You never give up do you? Everyone just HAS to know what you believe tongue.gif tongue.gif
CodeNameChuck
Nope! smile.gif

This particular arguement is deadlocked; we won't know for sure until they tell us. I think it is kind of silly to argue, but if no one else is going to support the good side, I sure will! smile.gif
Lily1
... where was the reference to the dad? which ep? I totally missed it! CNC, your tenacity only endears you to us! laugh.gif biggrin.gif
shortpinoyguy
QUOTE (CodeNameChuck @ Apr 22 2008, 05:06 PM) *
The way he has talked about his father, he would be nice towards him. But his mom is dead, so he will never get the chance there.


CNC I'll back you on his father being alive and his mom being dead.

When it comes to Morgan and Ellie...I think there will be something that will happen but it won't end having them together.
CodeNameChuck
You're the best short! smile.gif

When I say together, I may not mean long term...
hubbabubbaMAX
In the lead: Mother is alive. Father is dead.
In second place: Who cares. Just roll with the writers
In Third: Mother is dead. Father is alive.
dora_the_explorer
i would just roll with the writers. biggrin.gif
CodeNameChuck
I am suprised both are alive hasn't gotten more! Even though it isn't true... smile.gif
hubbabubbaMAX
Haha. I voted for both alive. Then I changed my mine buy I can't change it D:
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