Since Ryan has become a higher level employee, I feel he is becoming more and more a jerk. Like putting Jim on probation or hitting on Pam. Also the way he tries to seem like a "big deal" to the camera. I personally would love to see him embarrassed in front of everyone at the office. Perhaps being caught doing his drugs in Scranton or show up really strung out to David Wallace.
Better yet, I would love to see Jim get high praises from David Wallace in front of Ryan.
What does everyone else think?

You're preaching to the choir. Patience -- his time will come.

And Kelly will be there to straighten him out - she does have plenty of questions for him.

Maybe they can get Dwight to push him into a large paper shredder! Or maybe Jim, if he hits on his girl again....

What about if he got caught selling drugs to minors and got put in jail?

I cannot imagine a realistic way for this to happen, but I'd love to see Ryan sent back to the Scranton branch in the annex.

Don't want to see anything bad happen to him....but would love to see him get the consequences he deserves for being arrogant and for his drug use. I think he's basically a good guy who just got caught up in having a little power and success.

A job demotion is all it will take to destroy his confidence. I see that coming real soon, and I see him crawling back to Scranton and to Kelly.

And if Kelly is smart, she will not take his a$$ back!

Hey everyone. I changed the title of this thread to allow a broader aspect of Ryan's new developments to be discussed.

How and why did it happen? Why does Ryan choose to be the way that he is? How can he change? And speculation about his future can all be talked about.

You can watch the arrest video here.

I think that just as many of was wondered how he went from temp to bigwig, he may have wondered it himself and felt that he had to do something spectacular to keep that position. When his big plan failed, he had to keep it going on his own, no matter what.

Who cares? The Criminally Evil Druggie Troll is going up the river!

He'll be fired by DM for sure, become someone's prison girlfriend, and wind up back in the dumpster in Scranton. Of course, he'll be living there indefinitely.

I, for one, have mixed feelings about this. Somewhere between delighted and ecstatic....

Jazzman! Not so fast--real time probably means he will cut a deal and in three months be out of jail in time for next season. Although I would LOVE to see jail scenes with him and Kelly!

I can't see how he can be convicted of fraud and still work for DM in any capacity, though.

EDIT: I know that he has not been convicted of anything yet.

Ryan's been revving up for this for awhile.

Ryan's earliest drug related comment came in "Drug Testing" when he speculated that Michael's never done drugs because no one has ever offered him any.

And I've always thought he was on something during his Fun Run THs.

He wasn't busted for drugs, but drugs were likely responsible for clouding his judgment and making him cockier bolder in his attempt to save his website and bolster his image. He was desperate.

He's book smart, and he was clearly a dedicated student, but he has little to no common sense, and his social skills are just as bad as Michael's (but in a different way). He knew enough to impress David Wallace, but he seems to be better at alienating people than befriending them.

I think Ryan is going to come out of this sort of like Andy came out of anger management - with a different outlook, a (somewhat) changed personality, a better understanding of where he went wrong, and an eagerness to fit in. Where DM fits in his future, I'm not sure. Sales and management have to be out. He'll be in HR - maybe as part of an Employee Assistance program....or in the warehouse working for Darryl. Now that would be funny.

Sammy, that is freakin' brilliant!!! I would LOVE to see that!

Deserved what he got coming to him. No wonder he wanted Jim to report his close account information with Phil Maguire.

Yet. I can dream, can't I?

Even if he isn't, DM will fire him, or at least they should. I work in the financial services indsutry, and if something like that ever happened here, he'd be out the door in a heartbeat. And innocent or not, he'd never work here again.

I've never liked The Criminally Evil Druggie Troll because I've worked with people like him before. I know what they were like, and I think this character bears a strong resemblance. I'd be happy with him living in the dumpster, but for plot purposes, he will probably go back to DM Scranton, or maybe to the spinoff. Think of it: Ryan working for Andy or Jim. This could be fun.

I'm wondering how the whole jail thing is going to work.

First he can get bail, right? And the trial wouldn't start right away. But, I'm sure he wouldn't be allowed to leave NY if he does have bail- so where will his storyline pick up next season? Or are they just going to have him be in jail, and out again for season 5? Doesn't seem realistic. And if convicted, how long do those jail times last? I'm so confused!

And, YES, to seeing Kelly visiting Ryan in jail. Just the TH was wonderful, but I want to see it.

Yeah, for something like that, I'm sure he can get bail. And you never know, he's pretty slick. Yeah, it's his website, but don't forget about his bearded buddies. He could say he didn't know anything about what was going on, he didn't get around to telling them to back out the sales that were recorded the old way.

These kind of cases go on for a while, so I can see him being out on bail and back in Scranton because they may not consider him a flight risk and since he has no job and no money for coke, he tries to stay with Kelly or Michael. Somehow I don't see Ryan as having saved his money too well ($200 haircuts, anyone?).

I know what you're saying though--there are so many ways this can go. Maybe BJ doesn't want to act anymore and wants to concentrate on writing and this is his way of getting a break?

Who got the commissions for sales on DMI? Booking a sale twice puts the sales numbers and inventory out of balance, but you don't get arrested for that. Fraud implies money: that implies that commissions were paid: (a) twice to everyone (but then why arrest just Ryan?); ( b ) to Ryan instead of to the salesperson (possible; if the sales force didn't use DMI very much - we know Jim didn't); ( c ) to someone then kicked back to Ryan (possible, but not likely).

But at least we know where Ryan kept his money - up his nose...

I actually think the cops were on their way in when Jim was talking to Ryan on the phone because of the fast talking and abrupt hang up. At the time, I thought he was hitting the nose candy at work, but the more I think about, the more it makes sense that was his last effort for his plan to work before the cops took him away.

I was wondering how the cops knew, so I was guessing that they were tapping his phone calls. And that call to Jim was definately what they would want. I didn't even think about the abrupt phone call ending being apart of it. Good call!

I will say this, one of the best lines of the night: "Congratulations -- don't interrupt -- Congratulations on doing your job." Ryan is awesome.

I am guessing DM accounting had figured out the double dipping, then it goes to their lawyers with their proof and the lawyers have to submit evidence to local law enforcement who would then start an investigation after getting court orders for taps(this is touchy now a days) and when the significant proof/evidence was presented, they proceeded with the arrest(s).

And to do all of the above it does take time, not just a few weeks.

White collar crime

You an expert, O-H? How long did you spend in prison for your crime? I need to know to help figure out Ryan's time table.

Ryan's Arrest, in pictures. He looks so sad!

We know the salespeople do not get the commission from DMI. Remember the meeting when Ryan asks for input and Stanley say "I don't like when my customers use the web and I don't get commissions."

I wonder if he was looking at someone in particular in the office as he is going thru the doors? Or looking that way in general?

No conspiracy theories, please! I'm settled for the summer. No worries until the spoilers start coming in, thank you!

I really think he was just looking that way in general. His eyes were blank walking out, and he took a look back before walking out.

I can't stand that arrest, I feel so sad every time I see it.

I kinda think ryan looks alittle relieved and embaressed. The whole confession about a 'friend' having a drug problem and the failure of the first website and having to reprove himself to David Wallace got to him and just made the wrong choices to be the best and prove he could be boss.

Ryan's summer could be the one full of the most twists. I wonder if he'll actually end up in prison or what?

he could have been skimping off the top of the web sites since the sales people didn't get the comissions. Remember he did say his friend was a banking wizard or genius or whatever.

I love the fact that you're showing the Ryan's arrest and your signature features dancing. Glad to see you've finally given up on that little twerp. And the "best night ever" lines makes it just perfect. Care to dance??

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Ryan is still my favorite character, probably will always be. You just keep failing to remember, or have deliberately ignored over and over again, that I can see his flaws, accept his storyline, and still love the character. His story arc is one of the most developed and interesting on the show. I'm just along for the ride, and enjoying it.

I still don't understand why it personally bothers you so much. But that is your problem, not mine...

How's my favorite branch doin'?!


This season should be interesting...I hope Kelly doesn't give too easily.

I love his notebook of people to get back once he's in charge again...like that'll ever happen!

The little twerp got off easy. He should be in jail for defrauding a corporation like that. Instead he gets a slap on the wrist and community service.



I think she's given up, at least partially. Of course, if she really wants to get back together with a drugged-up, evil little criminal, I suppose she has the right to. I would have thought that she'd have more brains than that, but then again, this is Kelly we're talking about here.

^^^Yeah, there has to be a little more to it then what we've seen so far. Maybe he gave someone else up in exchange for a lightened sentence.

I loved what happened with Ryan in the premiere.


She held strong for about an hour, right? But weeks passed and they still weren't back together, so she's not falling into his arms again. It's only a matter of time.


Haha. The best part about the character of Ryan is that you just don't know what is going to happen to him. He could have a successful career, once he matures. And if he matures, he'll throw out the list. But I loved loved loved the list!







There does have to be something more going on with it. Maybe they just didn't have the evidence of what he did, and it was a first offense, and he just got caught up in being the youngest VP in the history of the company, so the judge took pity on him. At least he has community service, a temp job, and Michael to help him move!

He's still Ryan though, so I'm happy.

I loved the list too. I'm looking forward to seeing what else he puts in there.

Kelly hasn't given in as far as Ryan can tell and what everyone else is judging this by I'm assuming is the one look she gave to Ryan while making out with Darryl...If Ryan really wants to earn some brownie points from her he'll confront Darryl...I'm sure Kelly would love that...but like I said she hasn't given in completely yet...and as far as Ryan knows Kelly and Darryl are still crazy in love...it took Angela a whole season to start to give in to Dwight after he humbled himself time and again...so I'm guessing the Christmas episode is when Kelly will say oh Ryan you're so adorable...because Dwight only did Angela's cat wrong whereas Ryan did Kelly wrong...this season is going to be more humiliating for Ryan than season 1-3 combined as it should be...maybe after a season of him totally getting ripped on things will even out...but he still hasn't learned anything...I think it would be cool if Ryan started to take the lessons life keeps giving him to heart...the moment he does that he will be redeemed in my eyes...even Jan feels sorry when she puts Michael through hell. Ryan's not even sorry, he just wants something. Once he gets Kelly it will go back to the way it was between them...that is unless he actually develops a conscience before he gets her back

For those wondering about the gap between Ryan getting fired and being hired as a temp"



source (Minor Spoilers)

I know this is several months too late, but here was my take on that notebook:
Ryan obviously had drug issues in NYC. Those issues most likely contributed to his downfall. I think Ryan realized that after his arrest (when he hit "rock bottom") and got in a 12 step program. The reason I say that is because step nine in those programs is where you make amends with the people you've wronged. I haven't seen the episode in a while, but I think he crossed Jim off his list after apologizing.

That was just how I saw it, though.

Oh gosh, I think you're totally wrong. Ryan even said he was keeping a list of people to get back at when he's back on top.
Plus, Ryan would never humble himself enough to work a 12 step program. Admit your mistakes, take an inventory, make amends...it's just too out of character.
I like Ryan, but I think he's one of those people who didn't have a true addiction, he just did what he thought he had to do to be popular.

You're probably right. I only saw it once, and that was when it originally aired. There was a lot of laughter in the room, so its totally possible that I missed him saying that.
But what if the court forced him to work a program. He DID get out of the charges pretty quickly considering the judicial system. It may have been part of his plea deal.

RIP, MBA

I've only glanced through it, but this was funny...

Now, to be fair, people don't behave like jerks just because they spend two years in business school. After all, as many of my business school friends have pointed out, most of the first year goes into heavy partying, and the second year is really a marathon job fair. No, for the most part, people behave like jerks because nobody stops them from doing so.

Yeah, he most definitely was not making amends...although, seeing him with that notebook is one of my favorite scenes!