Oh, for the love of SOAP, Thank you for nailing this DOWN !!! Well said, sofasu.

EJ loves Sami, and underneath the DiMera name brand, he is his own man, which is a gentle, strong, loving man, and THAT is the man that has come to the surface for Sami....because he LOVES her. EJ has evolved from the DiMera MO into the EJ MO, which is what we have seen from EJ in the last year. I think that is self-respect to the nth degree. He has denied his father's legacy for the woman he loves.

If loving a woman and being determined to win her and keep his family together is pathetic to you, soaper, well, sorry for ya.

Take a good look at his face when he is with Sami, and compare it to when he is with Nicole. You can see the difference. Sami = Love.

What is this...kindergarten? "My daddy's stronger than your daddy."

Can't add much to your post and that of sofasu! EJ is anything BUT pathetic.

...And why it's Ecoli? I always thought it's Ecole.

This is exactly how I feel. Ej was raised by Stefano to be another Stefano pawn, his love for Sami caused him to question all he was raised to be and believe. Love redeemed him. Thanks!

when you love someone you don't/can't hurt them? have you ever been in love? or married? (and no, I'm not just talking about the example you used)

I think you're speaking of the ideal, not real life

Quoted for the 3rd time because this summation is THAT GOOD!!

IMO, the hideous crap that Lucas did to Sami in the past (attempted murder x 2, anyone?) was even less understandable, since he was not raised by a monster named Stefano. He was just a spoiled, bratty rich kid who didn't want Sami to have control. No need to waste your time listing it all, though. It will all be justified, and badly.

I have observed a man try one trick after another to keep a cow, and I just cannot figure out why. How can he let her stomp all over him, screeching and mooing? Has he no pride?

Well, I think he does and that after he has seen how Sami is so willing to USE him (you know, since I can't have Lucas I may as well have you), he WILL be like Rhett Butler: over it.

And moving on with Nicole.

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Your last sentence fits Ejami as well. What man would want a woman who openly admits that she loves another man? Didn't she come right out and tell EJ that she could settle for him because Lucas had dumped her? Didn't she tell him that she could make no promises? I don't know any guys or gals who would let themselves be part of that. How could he ever trust her enough that if Lucas looked her way again that she wouldn't deny him and want Lumi? Sami has been written as a twit and needs to be alone for awhile.

a-friggin'-men.

Yep. Men don't like anything easy in the romance department, although they do appreciate easy sex when they can't have what they really want (hear that, Nicole?).

When Sami says I love you to Ej then I might belive that she actually has feelings for him. Not!!! I don't buy anything she says right now. Ej [has to pratically beg Sami for any affection...she has thrown in his face for two years she loes Lucas... The only reason she is going for him is bc she feels she has to move on bc she feels Lucas doesn't want her..I don't believe that's true..like others.I believe Sami and Lucas truly love one another..I won't buy this Ejami bit and even if she did say she love dhim it would prolly be in some kind of forced situation..there is a big difference between the l word and feelings Everybody sing with me now I've got feelings....don't ya know I've got feelings..put there by obnoxious gasses sent out by the Dimeras...Feeelinggsss hehehehehe

shoot, all ej had to do to get sami to sleep with him the first time was pick her sorry butt on the side of the road. i wouldn't call that difficult sex by any stretch of the imagination. i don't remember sami ever being an especially difficult "lay" in the past either.

anyway, at least nicole has a history of sexual abuse that somewhat excuses her behavior. you probably don't know this, but women who have experienced sexual abuse are often promiscuous. most especially when they've been abused by a relative, they equate sex with love.

The second half of this is not entirely correct......I have worked with several women who were abused as children by relatives, including fathers...they seem to be withdrown and have alot of trouble in relationships because they relate intimacy with violence. They live miserable, lonely, loveless lives because marriage includes the intimacy in which they cannot accept due to horrific childhood events.

Question - your first statement talks as if you have no respect for this spineless man with no pride. And we all know you are pretty clear to being a Nicole supporter. So, do we assume you think "The Wonderful, Most Amazing Nicole" deserves a spineless man with no pride, who Sami would not have?? Bashing him, and rooting Nicole with him are very contradicting...?

not all abuse victims react the same way. i knew women who had been abused by relatives that slept with a different guy every night. psych classes teach that they do this to minimize the meaning of sex. in other words, if they make sex a meaningless act that they'll do with any old guy, then they think what happened to them as a child won't be that big of a deal. what they really need is therapy, but that's a whole other discussion.

point is, every person reacts differently. clearly nicole's response to the abuse she suffered is to seek love/acceptance through sexual relations. her past as as a promiscuous woman is clearly linked to the horrific sexual abuse she suffered at the hands of her father and the other men he pimped her out to as a young girl. you don't have to be a psychologist to see that.

i'm aware that nicole is a fictional character, but it is disturbing to see so many people throw around the words sl ut, wh0re, tramp etc in reference to her. what happened to her at the hands of her psychotic father is not a joke, nor something to be brushed over lightly. i'm not saying anyone has to like her, but a little sensitivity towards abuse victims would be nice.

My point here was exactly that pertaining to abuse victims...they are unpredictable victims, who unfortunately will spend their lives battling this abuse, especially if it comes at the hands of the people whom you trust most in the world. Thankfully the strong overcome and can lead normal - happy lives, unfortuantely too many never find this fullfillment whitin their lives. This as well is not relating to this character. With that said, ones who choose to be Nicole fans must expect with her past on this show, that she is going to be referred to in such a manner. It appears so personal with so many that these reference are made when in fact the writers chose to portray her in this manner. With this SL her fan base should not take offense as to the route her character was written.

You weren't quoting me but I would like to respond to your post regardless.

EJ can get his pride and spine back but he can't do that while he is begging for scraps from a woman that is openly in love with another man.

What makes EJ different when he is with Nicole is that he doesn't have to check his self-respect at the door in order to be with her.

Are you serious?? OMG NO! I have never ever EVER been forced to have sex with a man that claimed to love me. EVER! I have also NEVER been belittled during sex. And yes, I have been married for 15 years next month, and have been in loving relationships with several men before I was married.

I am 45 years old, and have never been treated so horribly by a man that loved me. One time, and one time only, was I mistreated by a man that I was dating. He attempted to physically hurt me. I ran from him, and never saw him or spoke to him again.

Well Ej has been pretty open with Nicole as well that he loves Sami, and Nicole knows that and still goes after him as well. He even said her name while doing the nasty in the elevator. The situations are almost similar. He may not have to check his self-respect at the door to be with Nicole, but I would recommend monthy check ups at least.

amen sista!!!Ej looked quite happy Friday!!!ahhh

Don't feel sorry for me. I feel sorry for anyone that sees rape, manipulation and deciet as loving.


Its one thing to be determined to win over someone's love but its never right to do it at the cost of the person you claim to love.

You got that right!!!

Beautifully said Soaper. ICAM.

Ah,great post Jen!!!

I don't see what Lumi has to do with this thread but at least Lucas has enough self-respect to walk away from Sami just because she has 'feelings' for EJ...and it isn't like she told Lucas, "I LOVE LUCAS AND ALWAYS WILL" the way Sami did to EJ.

EJ is pathetic if he is willing to be second best.

We get it! He raped her. It's not something that you can easily forget. But let me point out something to you since you insist on bringing up the rape over and over and over again. Let me point out the fact that Ejami's chemistry is so powerful that there is a huge fanbase of women that is more than willing to over look the rape inorder to see this couple come together. Of course rape is vile. I recently read the results of a survey that said most women would rather be brutally murdered than raped and have to deal with the aftermath.

I know it's been said before, but I feel the need to say it again. This is after all only a Soap Opera. If we wanted to apply the rules of real life to s/l, then every single adult on this soap deserves to be sent to prison without the possibility of parole. Even Sami stated that she is technically a rapist, but I still wish her character the best. Is it sick of me. Absolutely! But I just shrug my shoulders and tell myself it only a soap.

So what if some people are willing to overlook the fact that EJ raped Sami?
Bottom line, I AM NOT willing to overlook it and I am not alone.
Soaps are fiction but IMO what is hurting the ratings is the cavalier manner in which TPTB are willing to degrade the audience for plot driven drivel.

I want a soap that is compelling and yet doesn't insult my intelligence and that remark has to do with more than just the potential SL of a victim falling for her rapist and goes toward the bigger picture. Example: I hate it when people come back from the dead too.

I just don't think this is going to end up with Elvis pathetically grateful that, since Lucas doesn't want her now, she's suddenly back to leading him on. The last time she tried that, sweet-talking him about Johnny to get him to forget the court order, he did not fall for it.

Surely he is NOT that pathetic, still!

Surely!

Ecole is too great to be denied, though, whatever lapse he may have with the shrieking wish-wife.

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**Several posts were removed from this thread. Please stay ON TOPIC, thanks!

EJ sure did a 180 but I'm hoping that EJ wakes up soon. The idea of him settling for emotional scraps from a woman that is in love with someone else is really a turn off.

I think that was the turning point for me also. I LOVE the way he looks at her, the way he loves her. Heck, I'm a John fan, I sure didn't like all he did to John, but I do believe in redemption, it is my favorite type of love story. I love seeing someone change for love, especially when they just light up the screen together. I'm an escapist also.

I feel the same way!
I just have to say that after reading some earlier posts...I kind of wonder why some people are tuning in to this soap - if its reality they want then they should just watch a "reality" show.

Getting back to the OP


I have no problem watching EJ change in a positive way for love.
What I don't enjoy is watching him rollover like a chump for a woman in love with another man.

*vomit*

That's where I disagree with the OP. Sami loves Lucas but she is in love with EJ. Lucas knows this, and it's why he left. EJ knows this, and also knows this is why Lucas left. Pretty much the whole town of Salem knows it. Once Sami figures out it's OK to be completely honest (the *I love you* part), it's full steam ahead for those 2.

That's fine...and I think its good that you're willing to be open-minded about his character changing, etc. However I don't feel as though he's rolling over and getting walked on - I'll be the first to admit he's waited a long time for Sami to come around (so have I! )...but deep down he's known in his heart that she had feelings for him and he was not willing to give up on her (I for one, love him for that). And now that he has received affirmation (her jealous fits over Nicole, their love-making, admitting she can't fight her feelings for him any longer) and now, the fact that Lucas is out of the picture (at least for now) why would he walk away from the love of his life?? Also, yes, Sami loves Lucas (I don't deny that) but I truly believe that EJ is the one she is in love with. But we all have our own opinions on that...we just have to wait and see who tptb want her with in the end! I'm personally routing for an EJAMI happily-ish ever after ending!!!

I was thinking the same thing!

if ej is pathetic for still having hope for him and sami, even though she loves lucas then he was pathetic a long time ago. as long as he isn't chasing and begging while sami pushes him away, im good. i am not surprised that ej is still holding on. no sami didnt say i love you, lets get together yeah yeah yeah, but she didnt shut the door in his face, she left it open. ej has been waiting for a chance with sami for a long time, so of course he is going to take it.

EJ is helping Sami make a fool of him and its pretty funny. He should have told her that as long as she loves LUCAS (hmm that would be forever) then he wants nothing to do with her. BUT Noo he gets all giddy with his second place position and its hilarious!

Pathetic sounds about right!!

Well get your giggle now,,cause when the Ejami train comes through the station hold onto your hat!!Ej has been waiting for Sami to admit her feelings,she stated QUITE plainly Friday,that she PUSHED the feelings ASIDE!!She had them when ole Lucas returned and she had them when the white lies came out,,and when Lucas tries to take the baby I hope Sami FINALLY realizes that Lucas has been trying to take her kids since Will was 5!!ANd she realizes that its WAY over.Go EJAMI!!

I dont think LUCAS will pay off a judge like Ej did when he wanted to take Johnny from Sami.

If Sami plans to hang with an evil Dimera then yes Lucas should take Allie ( or both of his twins) and go as far as he can.

Ej is pathetic but his also the evil he doesnt need to be around those babies.

The feelings that Sami "admitted" to EJ was that 1. She loves Lucas. 2. She thinks she has to move on because Lucas doesnt want her right now. 3. She loves Lucas and wants to be with him 4. She guess that maybe EJ would be "OK" and maybe she could stand to be around him---but she wont promise that--in any way shape or form.

HMMM---yeah LUMI is PREVAILING!!

I CONCUR!!!

Was it ever verified that Ej paid off a judge?? I don't think it was.. Ej has been a fine father, he has been there for both children when Lucas wasn't. I think the vists Lucas has with Allie should be supervised that way the lil one doesn't get away again!

Lucas wouldn't pay a judge...but not because it's beneath him, but rather he wouldn't have the means to, IF he did, I certainly wouldn't put it past him (although not quite sure he'd be smart enough to think of it!?). I'd also like to add, that EJ didn't really intend or want to take Johnny away from Sami, he obtained that piece of paper as leverage, he wanted to keep his family together. Admittedly not the nicest thing to do but he knows how to play Sami's game...& that's why they're perfect for each other! And, even after EJ did this...she stil admitted to having feelings for EJ (and they were certainly not feelings of hate or disgust!).

EJ lost what self respect he did have the day he sex it with the town tramp in the elevator.

Nicole has already did that job on EJ when she blabbed his secret and he got revenge by elevatoring her.

Just like EJ was only willing to give Nicole a chance because Sami, the woman he DOES LOVE said she didn't want to be with him so "move on."

I find these double standards hilarious. I would think that fans of Ejole would have no problem with "second choices"....especially considering that Nicole basically has a "SECOND CHOICE" sticker stamped in the middle of her forehead.



No, a loser is a woman who still has sex with a guy on a hard elevator floor after he calls her by another woman's name( the woman he does love). Now that's pathetic, trashy, and screams low self esteem.

But anyway, I'm sure that EJ is proceeding with caution from that witch Sami.

I hear that Ejami train! I so loved Friday. I just loved Ej and Sami snuggling together so endearingly. Still makes me smile thinking about it. Nothing pathetic at all. Pure heart!

Yes,it was great,,and not pathetic the tiniest little bit!!

Okkk...so getting back to the OP this isn't a Pro-EJami, Pro-Lumi or Pro-EJole thread. This thread is about how PATHETIC it is for EJ to be so happy at the prospect that while Sami, who is admittedly still in love with Lucas, and ALWAYS be in love with Lucas, will consider tossing him some crumbs because Lucas has cut her off.

Feel free to disagree about my opinion that EJ is acting like a dumb@ss but try to stay on topic.

Carry on!