WELL SAID! EJ should not be Sami's consolation prize just because Lucas dumped her.

ej looked like he had been handed the world just to hear sami say she was willing to see where this would lead (paraphrased)..and him kissing her was not a man who was unsure of what he wants..he wanted to kiss her, he wanted to comfort her, he wants to be with her....

but i guess anyone can curl up and live in denial...it is a free world.

Sami's been Lucas' consolation prize for years, and Lucas dumped her because 1) he recognized their relationship was toxic, and 2) he saw that Sami loved EJ and didn't want to be HER consolation prize.

I hope so too!







Most definitely!




ITA!




Sami was very revealing today. She wasn't pushed or coaxed into saying what she did. It came from her heart at a moment when she thought she'd lost EJ.





Nobody can have as much self respect as Lucas. He is after all completely in love with himself.

Bingo!

My, how times have changed. I remember you posting quite frequently on pro Lumi topics. At one time you were all about Lumi, I've read them.
that being said, EJ asked Sami if the only reason why she was saying that she had feelings for him was because Lucas ended it and she said NO....NOT HOW IT IS AT ALL. She said that because regardless of Lucas ending things, she would still have those feelings. Lucas knew that and decided to get the hell out of dodge. From the minute EJ came on the screen, Lucas has been saying that she's "into" him and got the "hots" for him. Really, since the first week. It's no surprise that 2 years later, she still has the hots for him and is TOTALLY "into" him. I think Sami is the type of girl who doesn't break up very well. When has SHE ever broke up with anyone? The guy always breaks up with her, that way it's not HER giving up and she can't be blamed for not trying. I think she was just waiting for Lucas to give up so she could get together with EJ. Maybe in her subconscious, but it was there.

Marlena still loves Roman and has said so many times in the past, but noone truly believes that she doesn't love John with her whole heart and soul. Their stories and histories may be different, but The underlying thesis is the same. One woman....two men...one dangerous and sexy....the other a safety net. Marlena chose the dangerous John and Sami is going to choose dangerous, sexy EJ. This is not the end of this story by a long shot. I think there will come a time when Sami DOES say definitively that she chooses EJ OVER Lucas.

The show was great this week and it ended great with that tender, LOVING kiss that Ejami shared. You may find EJ pathetic, but I find him DETERMINED and FOCUSED. I love that about him. He never gives up because only LOSERS give up. EJ is NOT a loser.

A lot will keep denying what they are seeing.....the start of a GREAT ROMANCE between Ejami. Some folks just have too much pride to admit when they are wrong. But I have to say, it doesn't surprise me and it doesn't matter what people think of EJ as long as I love him....and I DO!

Oh, yeah, baby, it's ECOLI all the way. The "i" is tp signify plural (two: 1 Nicole and 1 EJ) and the name is to show how dangerous they are! To the elephant's ass that is ejami, anyway! Why else have threads devoted to what a tramp, gold digger, and drunk she is? Why, the same reason Lucas became the vilest wife abuser since Blue Beard!

Everyone thought she was a riot when she first came back, loved her fights with Sami, then...she and EJ started this slow burn that ignited and she becomes the DRUNK! TRAMP! GOLD DIGGER!

So what? If a rapist can be redeemed, why not her?

In fact, they will redeem each other. ECOLI!!!

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Yep, bloody diarrhea is dangerous. It can kill you. It wouldn't kill the elephant just the person who has it which would be EJ and Nicole. Either way you look at it. Ecoli are a disease that would require many antibiotics to cure. I still like Nicole. I actually though her and Phil had a little chemistry going on today. Just because I don't like Ecole doesn't mean that I don't like Nicole. I like her character, but Ecoli is not "sexy" dangerous, they are "diarrhea" dangerous.

Not a very good name for a supercouple. JMO

Don't you think that'd be obvious? Only people who hate EJ and Nicole should be calling them that name. I personally can't stand it.

LMFAO! Looks like I missed all the fun. Of course I agree.

EJ is not her second choice. Sami feels that she needs to be with Lucas because she is doing this for Allie. Lucas is the one everyone loves and they have Will together.

Also EJ is not pathetic...please. He loves Sami with all his heart. I believe Sami loves Lucas but she is IN love with EJ. They are so paralleling this to John/Marlena/Roman.

I like Nicole but not with EJ. She doesn't know everything about him. She thinks she is the best person because she isn't pushing EJ away. I can see where she is coming from but the man doesn't love her. She was his BC that's all. If they had a relationship it wouldn't because he loved her. I mean he even called Sami name out when they had sex. If anything she should have ended it but she continue. To me she is the real loser. I would have been see ya man but not here.

Go EJami!!!

hey EJ....ever heard of sloppy seconds?

Hee hee hee! We know.

GO ECOLI!


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Yeah and I'm sure if you knew the reason why you'd still laugh.

EJ: Why yes, I believe I have heard that term, in the gutter once, referring to what Lucas gets when Sami leaves our love bed and chases after him. Hmmm, funny you'd bring that up here.

Sami hasn't really been with anyone else since she and Ej married. So what's sloppy or second about that? She is his...and her stating she'll always love Lucas is benign....like most women will always have a love somewhere out there. No biggie...at all.

Yeah but if she had known that Lucas was coming back that night, she would have never slept with EJ. She more or less really "settled" for him because she thought Lucas wouldn't be coming back.

Then when Lucas did come back she left EJ without even a backward glance. Then she has been pretty clear with stating that she wants Lucas, chooses Lucas and wants a future with Lucas.

AND if Lucas had told her that he would give her another chance, forgive what happened with EJ and wasn't so confused about it all. If he told Sami that he loved her and they had a future together, Sami would have DROPPED EJ like a bad habit.

EJ = SUH-LOPPY Second.

[quote name='Soaper' date='Aug 15 2008, 02:42 PM' post='3414482']
Sami's only willing to give you a chance (no promises, no declarations of love...for YOU that is) because Lucas, the man she DOES LOVE doesn't want to be with her anymore.

I can't believe EJ is such a LOSER!

How is Nicole different from EJ in this scenario? Nicole went after a guy who only wanted Sami and told her up front that he loved Sami. He slept with her after the pain of a break-up with Sami. He called out Sami's name while sleeping with her. Anyone would know that EJ was not over Sami. Nicole made a choice to ignore everything he said and did and go after him anyway.

Of course Ej is Pathetic. That has been established many times over.

Sami loves Lucas. Ali plays her role as a woman in love with LUCAS. Bryan plays the role of Lucas as a man in love with SAMI. They are separated at the moment but I have zero doubt that they will be reunited.

IF this was an ejami moment--why was LUCAS the main part of the conversation??

Why would Elvis have to ask Sami what her feelings were about Lucas if he DIDNT already know she loved him so very very much?

Sami doesnt have a problem telling men she loves them. So why didnt she tell him she loved him if she did?

SAMI LOVES LUCAS. LUCAS LOVES SAMI!

This is a lumi story. No doubt about it.

^^LMAO. She would have dropped him like it's hot baby!

Sorry but I haven't read the whole thread. But I'm positive that EJ's self respect is quite intact! Sami makes EJ a wonderful person just as EJ makes Sami a wonderful person. They are so in love and I am really enjoying watching their love story unfold.

YES and also on July 4th Lucas was ready to tell Sami he was ready to forgive her and move forward. He told Nicole that he and Sami were in love.
Overhearing Ej brag to Nicole is what messed that deal up. IF Ej hadnt been running his foolish mouth then the triangle would be over now. All this is just conflicts to keep soulmates apart as soaps have been known to do.
Ej is going to get hurt--and I do believe he deserves every pain he gets!

OH MY GOSH YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!

^ITA that EJ will get hurt. I'm just wondering exactly how he's gonna take it when Sami and Lucas reunite.

Well Id like to say he will take it like a man---but I dont think that would be possible!

I think its time he feels some of the pain hes caused others!

With Lucas out of the picture it was easier for her to show her true feelings. No one didn't say she didn't love Lucas but she isn't IN love with him.

People that are saying EJ is a loser knows the true...we are getting EJami. I mean what do you call a person that knows she likes another man but doesn't want her to be with him so he decides to get together with her because he just found out his wife cheated on him with his brother. Sounds to me like he didn't want to be alone and he wanted to claim his territory. Remember Sami wouldn't have been with Lucas if it wasn't for EJ and his youthfulness telling Sami to make a choice her family or him. That was a mistake on his part. He didn't really realize that is what Sami always wanted and she wasn't going to give it up when they were standing there.

EJ made a mistake for saying that but he knows better now. They are rekindling their relationship and this time he won't screw it up! Hey at least the man doesn't yell at her all of time.

^Then she should have said she wasn't in love with Lucas. That's not what she said and that's not what she meant to say and that's not what that scene was meant for. It was purposely put in there to drive home that Sami although has feelings for EJ, she loves Lucas not like a brother but as in I want to spend my life with him and get it on with him. She would chose to be with Lucas if he would have her. They didn't put that in there for nothing and we already knew Sami had feelings for EJ and she still wants to be with Lucas over him, so this is nothing new or spectacular. It really wasn't needed but i'm glad the writers threw that in there. I guess they are giving Lumi fans and Ejami fans both a bone.

that is correct, ej loves sami so much he is willing to risk his heart for someone that may never love him the same way. its a leap of faith. and yes sami loves lucas. but that can never compare to the other type of love sami has for ej. i disagree ej is not a loser, he is a winner already no matter what cause he was willing to gamble on love. sami explained well i thought about her reasons for admitting those feelings for ej, and what led her to do so, and said she had been ignoring those feelings for some time, lucas knew it for months there was something between ejami, nicole knew ej was rebounding, ej would never deny being in love with sami, how can anyone feel scorned. everyones cards were on the table.

i love threads like this btw....

Sami was being honest for once on how she felt. She did say she loved Lucas but he moved on. But even Lucas knows the real reason he is not with Sami....bc Sami can't forget what she has with Ej. He saw it as everyone did,but only now Sami is realizing how much her "feelings" go for Ej. Ej is not pathetic.....he's a man deeply in love. How many women could only wish for someone who loved just them? Ej is pathetic to some bc he isn't fawning all over Nicole now. I sure wouldn't want to have to spend my life with Lucas hearing him rant and rave and belittle me every chance he gets. He turned Sami into the whining, sniveling person she is. I think Lucas is more pathetic for mentally abusing Sami every chance he got. It's not bad enough she begged and pleaded with him to stay with her even though she was married to Ej at the time and Lucas did tell her to move on. So she moved on with Ej...big flying flip!!!! I don't see Ej as being pathetic at all....Lucas knew how Sami felt about Ej, and that was the problem....she could never tell Lucas she didn't have "feelings" for Ej. She couldn't then and she can't deny them now.

I just think watching their love spill all over each other is so awesome. And I can't wait 'til NO ONE can deny the Ejami love. It's just a matter of time. I'll keep my gloating in check until then!! But, we are closer than we've ever been and that is VERY close!!

I don't think there is anything pathetic about a man who loves this much.

I say tomatoe u say tamatoe. LOL. We'll see what happens but the door is open both ways so we'll see which way the writers will end up going.

Wow...really...a Lumi story? So it must have been all about Lumi since Lucas was with Chloe and Sami didn't even check on him to see if he was OK when the purple gas started up. Didn't even mention him, matter of fact, until the convo. with EJ when he specifically brought Lucas up to her. She didn't seem to be thinking about Lucas during the red-hot kiss at the end (and who would?) She certainly doesn't seem to be putting up any kind of fight for the "love of her life".

EJ pathetic? Nah. He's got the girl. If you need to hear "I love you" from Sami to EJ just wait awhile. It will come.




You mean if EJ had kept the truth of what Sami told him to himself so Lucas and Sami could have continued their sham of a relationship while Sami secretly thought of EJ at every turn?

Exactly. If Lumi is the story, why aren't they having any scenes together except on 8/25 when he threatens to take Allie.? During EJ and Sami's conversation yesterday when Sami said she made one mistake, and EJ said "come on, Samantha, you know it's more than that," she did not disagree. The "more than that" is that Lucas can see that Sami's in love with EJ and hot for him. He's said it repeatedly. Goodbye and good riddance Lumi!

I agree that EJ seemed thoughtful during yesterday's episode. He's been burned by Sami's declarations about her feelings many times before. But he's a man--men are different (ask your husbands, or if we have any men posting here, please comment). They like a challenge. They like to have to fight to win the love of a woman. It's in their hard-wiring. I don't think that means EJ's pathetic because he's still fighting to win over a woman who's given him an awful lot of encouragement. I think that makes him a man!

^^ I agree Lucas is endgame, Ejami are happening whether you want to admit it or not.

if TPTB wants us to root for ejami, having sami in ej's arms a day after lucas dumps her isn't the way to do it. if she spent some time on her own and then chose ej, it would be one thing, but at this point, it's pretty obvious that she only wants ej because lucas wasn't interested.

I wouldn't exactly call their last tryst rape! Why is it this is the only thing people
can bring up. They've handled it on the show, it is still controversial as to being
a rape, so why can't we move on? It is getting so very, very old. The "I love you"
is coming. Will we be able to move on then?

ICAM. We all know if Lucas showed the slightest interest in Sami, she'd be back with him in a heartbeat.

EJ has ALWAYS been pathetic when it comes to Sami. He still is. I'll be very surprised if there is anything for EJ and Sami beyond them turning to each other in a stairwell while terrified. That's the only thing I am seeing happening on my screen, especially from Sami.

Exactly this is a soap storylines changed. Sami raped Austin, Luke raped Laura, Theresa raped Ethan, Ej raped sami can we move on???????? I have seen couples from different soaps move past rapes and now they are a supercouple. Ej has aplogized numerous of times for his past mistakes and it starting to get on my nerves how people keep talking about he raped sami. That happened like two years ago GMAB we all have our opinions to share what we think I`m not trying to change anyone opinion but the rape incident is getting old. Storylines have passed and I for one glad Ejami went through with the rape issue because they had a trial and now they can move past it and move on with thier life.

I avoid these threads, this board, mainly because I know in every single thread, 'rape' has to be mentioned. It seems like Lumi fans realize they have no argument so they throw the 'rape' card any time they can. They love the impact of that word. While I don't think what he did was moral, he did give her a choice, it wasn't rape, unlike what Sami did to Austin, what Luke did to Laura, what Jack did to Kayla, etc, but it seems like all they have to offer as an argument. It doesn't even matter that Sami is over what happened period, and willingly slept with him just a few months ago.

I don't pretend soaps imitate RL in the least, but if I were in the middle of nowhere, and my husband needed help, and a stranger passed by who refused to help because they were in a hurry or it was too risky, and I kept begging him asking for help, if he agreed to help in exchange for sex, I wouldn't have a problem making that choice (I wouldn't like it, but I know I'd do anything to help my husband). I'd actually be more worried that they would be lie and say that, then not help anyway. I wouldn't call it 'rape' any more than I call people who ask for sex in exchange for anything else 'rape'. I do agree it's despicable, but not 'rape'.

So much for avoiding these threads, but this has been building up for a while. I'm sick of that word being used.

Did you have audio to yesterday's show? EJ asked Sami specifically if that's why she was admitting her feelings for him and she told him specifically no.

And Sami has been so good putting how she really feels into words so far.

wait wait wait....you *believed* her??? sami brady? the character who has told more lies than any other on the show?

I don't believe for a second that Ej is pathetic loving Sami for two years. It shows the depth of the love he has for Sami. Heart and soul....today...tomorrow.....and always, is the way he feels about Sami. As Sami said "anything is possible."

I have stated in previous topics - love EJ, do not like Nicole or Sami . They are just alike! Your debating two of a kind. I think they should bring in a whole new character for EJ. Someone more attractive than him!! He by far is more handsome than Sami or Nicole is attractive!!!

They should wish they looked as good as he does!!!!

What a bitch! What a wimp he is to take this from that COW!!! "I love Lucas, but, hey, WTF, he dumped me and I need a nanny."

He IS pathetic if be buys that crap, and he deserves that fool if he does.

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I think Sami is gorgeous!

Nicole is more gorgeous.

ECOLI!!

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EJ has NOT loved Sami for the past 2 years!

GMAB. EJ has been OBSESSED with Sami for the past 2 years. Someone who loves you doesn't terrorize you, try to kill your fiance, try to terrify you while pregnant KNOWING that he could KILL the unborn twins.

Loving someone doesn't mean setting them up to think that they killed you.

Loving someone doesn't equate to threatening to kill off the members of your family unless you marry them.

When you love someone you don't force them to have sex with you. You don't belittle them while boinking them either.



Anyone who thinks those are the actions of a man in love needs to go sit on a couch with a good therapist for a few years.

EJ is a man obsessed, not a man in love.

And to answer those that think Lumi's just "throw out the rape card" because of it's impact... first off I am not a Lumi fan, secondly... shouldn't you be more upset that EJ raped Sami in the first place? Those of us who think pairing a victim with their rapist/terrorist is disgusting were given that card by EJ.

EJ did much more to Sami than just rape her.

To make a point, must I sit here and list all the hideous things Lucas did to Sami.
EJ was raised a Dimera and as his father told him, he must go after what he wants
no bars hold. EJ was fascinated with Sami from the start....then the obsession as
you call it (I call it the Dimera MO) took over, then given the opportunity EJ found
he not only desired Sami, he loved her. I will not go into the r---- again. It's
pointless with some but what I have observed is a man who little by little fell in
love with someone, did what he felt he had to do to have her, found out that was
not the right approach, sat back and looked at how the Dimeras handled things
versus how the rest of the world handles things, he changed from the Dimera ways
and now is waiting patiently until the woman he loves finally realizes she loves him
with the same passion he loves her. What a glorious moment that will be and when
she says I Love You Too! hopefully the debate will finally end.