sarah_lover
Oct 13 2008, 08:47 PM
QUOTE (Lily1 @ Oct 13 2008, 08:41 PM)

that's a really good question zdart. The writers never waste a moment in this script. Baldwin was so unreadable in that scene. Why?
Yeah, he was very hard to read in that scene. Personally, I think he is disappointed that Sarah couldn't pull the trigger, but at the same time, he understands where she is coming from because he is also starting to lighten up when it comes to Chuck. I don't think it has to be one or the other -- either mad at Sarah or ready to support her with Chuck. He has his own personal struggles, which I think this shows.
Texsky
Oct 13 2008, 08:48 PM
Well I don't think Chuck needed to use any deception at the end with Sarah. That scene would have been a lot more emotional if Chuck had just told her the complete truth from his heart...that his feelings for her were going to get her hurt, or worse. He didn't need to bs her at all, if in fact he did. Yes, I know that they're working him into the spy-world, but still, do we really want to see Chuck being a deceiver? Even if it's born out of love, I really don't. At least, not with regard to Sarah. It just wasn't necessary.
And I agree that Sarah was going out to the fountain to break things off too. Chuck just beat her to the punch.
shortpinoyguy
Oct 13 2008, 08:49 PM
QUOTE (FinChase @ Oct 13 2008, 08:47 PM)

I loved the part where they both pulled themselves together, squared their shoulders and went in smiling to play the "happy couple" part for Ellie and Awesome.
That was the most hardest part to watch because in the back of my head when Chuck was behind Sarah I thought he might give her a real kiss. I was wrong.
dark_dragon
Oct 13 2008, 08:49 PM
They really do have one of the best love story's on tv.And Chuck i think ddid what he needed to do but the Jill story line will throw a wrench into what he just said.Basicly look forward to Chuck teasing and really flirting with Sarah next episode cause he can't help it and neither can she.
Taliesinjoe
Oct 13 2008, 08:49 PM
yeah definately she is telling him that this is just temporary setback, that there's still hope for them.
FinChase
Oct 13 2008, 08:50 PM
QUOTE (tchula @ Oct 13 2008, 09:44 PM)

I thought she was wearing a lot of makeup too. I'ld like to see her with sexier hair and a slinky dress.
Maybe they'll come up with a storyline sometime where she has to come out to Los Angeles. I'd like to see her in action.
Lily1
Oct 13 2008, 08:51 PM
QUOTE (zDart @ Oct 13 2008, 09:44 PM)

Im pretty sure it was intended to be Casey telling Sarah... "it's ok, I've got your back"
... may be! It was certainly a loaded silence.
and yes, fin, definitely more makeup! Gotta be a little Roan on the side there!
tchula
Oct 13 2008, 08:52 PM
I love the Chuck/Sarah story, but I don't want it to be just about them. I want more Ellie and Awesome and more scenes at the Buy More. Anna has become one of my favorite characters. I really enjoy her with the little bearded one. I am going to watch again on hulu, but I'll wait until in the morning.
zDart
Oct 13 2008, 08:52 PM
QUOTE (Taliesinjoe @ Oct 13 2008, 09:49 PM)

yeah definately she is telling him that this is just temporary setback, that there's still hope for them.
Who? and when?
Taliesinjoe
Oct 13 2008, 08:54 PM
QUOTE (zDart @ Oct 13 2008, 08:52 PM)

Who? and when?
at the end of the episode when Sarah looks back to Chuck, her eyes basically said that, it's just a setback for now, but there's still hope. When? well i think this is gonna go to end season or even more further, but who knows?
shortpinoyguy
Oct 13 2008, 08:54 PM
QUOTE (tchula @ Oct 13 2008, 08:52 PM)

I love the Chuck/Sarah story, but I don't want it to be just about them. I want more Ellie and Awesome and more scenes at the Buy More. Anna has become one of my favorite characters. I really enjoy her with the little bearded one. I am going to watch again on hulu, but I'll wait until in the morning.
I love the way Casey called in for a background check on Anna as to recruit her as a spy and then Chuck objecting. That was hilarious.
zDart
Oct 13 2008, 08:55 PM
On a non-Chara note, Chuck getting those updates is a huge step. Hopefully it means they won't be so quick to kill him next time...
Taliesinjoe
Oct 13 2008, 08:55 PM
Hanna is kickass baby!! woooo LOL death match between Sarah vs Hanna, who wins??
dark_dragon
Oct 13 2008, 08:57 PM
They where looking at eachother basicly saying i really don't mean what i said but i had to say it to keep you safe.
zDart
Oct 13 2008, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (Taliesinjoe @ Oct 13 2008, 09:54 PM)

at the end of the episode when Sarah looks back to Chuck, her eyes basically said that, it's just a setback for now, but there's still hope. When? well i think this is gonna go to end season or even more further, but who knows?
Ah, I agree I wasn't sure what you were referring to. If they haven't at least let themselves go for a night by the end of season 2 It will be unrealistic. Human beings can't keep the kind of feelings those two have for each other at bay for that long. They will explode
Taliesinjoe
Oct 13 2008, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (dark_dragon @ Oct 13 2008, 08:57 PM)

They where looking at eachother basicly saying i really don't mean what i said but i had to say it to keep you safe.
Exactly
Lily1
Oct 13 2008, 08:59 PM
QUOTE (zDart @ Oct 13 2008, 09:55 PM)

On a non-Chara note, Chuck getting those updates is a huge step. Hopefully it means they won't be so quick to kill him next time...
zdart, you are so on the money tonight! Yea, the updated intersect means he is superior to anything they have at HQ. Ironically, Bryce really does have his back. Of course, the question is, wherever is Bryce getting it from?
FinChase
Oct 13 2008, 08:59 PM
QUOTE (shortpinoyguy @ Oct 13 2008, 09:54 PM)

I love the way Casey called in for a background check on Anna as to recruit her as a spy and then Chuck objecting. That was hilarious.
I was cracking up then.
WouldChuck
Oct 13 2008, 08:59 PM
Here's the thing I don't understand. Sarah is compromised whether or not she has a real relationship with Chuck. We saw this today. She couldn't shoot the Fulcrum agent because she cares too much about Chuck. She went after Chuck and the Fulcrum agent rather than with Bryce to get the chip. She's compromised no matter what her relationship is with Chuck. Her feelings aren't going to go away just because Chuck has "agreed" with the reasoning for not being able to have a relationship, and I'm very much hoping that the Jill arc gets Sarah to realize beyond any doubts that she really likes Chuck. I want Sarah to get really jealous and realize that she needs to do something. The ironic and spiteful thing about the show is after Chucks rant about never being able to know Sarah's real name or where she grew up or whatever, the he finds out what her real name is and where she went to high school.
Other than their relationship, I'm very curious to see what new information is on the data from the sunglasses. We saw at the end that Bryce did write down on his note to Chuck with the sunglasses that he thinks Chuck is a real spy. It can't solely be Bryce's decision to give the updated information to him, nor does he have the means to create a device like that by himself. Obviously their superiors gave it to Bryce to relay to Chuck, so I can't help but wonder why they don't consider Chuck a real spy.
And as a side note, I'd have loved to see what Ellie would have done if she found out it was Bryce.
RickFromIllinois
Oct 13 2008, 09:02 PM
When Chuck first started telling her how great she was and how all he could think about was them being together I thought that she liked everything that she heard. By the end Chuck knew that she was hurt and I think that she realized how hard it was for him to say it. She may even suspect why he said what he did. If he told her that it was for her own safety then she might argue with him about it, but she really couldn't say much to what he said. As time goes by allot of the reasons that he mentioned will no longer matter. Also, I still think that although Chuck will want to impress Jill when she returns, he will not be interested in restarting the romance. With the knowledge of how Sarah really feels, by Bryce's own admission Sarah chose Chuck over him, and by what they have been through together, I just don't see it happening for someone who dumped him in the past.
FinChase
Oct 13 2008, 09:03 PM
QUOTE (Lily1 @ Oct 13 2008, 09:59 PM)

zdart, you are so on the money tonight! Yea, the updated intersect means he is superior to anything they have at HQ. Ironically, Bryce really does have his back. Of course, the question is, wherever is Bryce getting it from?
I have to think it was planned by the CIA. If they had come to Chuck and said, "We want to give you an Intersect update", he'd probaby say, "Thanks but no thanks. I want out!" The only way to do it was to fool him. It will be intersesting to see how the next update is delivered. They can't keep trotting Bryce out to do it--although that was brilliantly planned. I thought there was something "special" about those sunshades, but I never guessed it was an Intersect update!
chuckfan23
Oct 13 2008, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (WouldChuck @ Oct 13 2008, 08:59 PM)

Here's the thing I don't understand. Sarah is compromised whether or not she has a real relationship with Chuck. We saw this today. She couldn't shoot the Fulcrum agent because she cares too much about Chuck. She went after Chuck and the Fulcrum agent rather than with Bryce to get the chip. She's compromised no matter what her relationship is with Chuck. Her feelings aren't going to go away just because Chuck has "agreed" with the reasoning for not being able to have a relationship, and I'm very much hoping that the Jill arc gets Sarah to realize beyond any doubts that she really likes Chuck. I want Sarah to get really jealous and realize that she needs to do something. The ironic and spiteful thing about the show is after Chucks rant about never being able to know Sarah's real name or where she grew up or whatever, the he finds out what her real name is and where she went to high school.
Other than their relationship, I'm very curious to see what new information is on the data from the sunglasses. We saw at the end that Bryce did write down on his note to Chuck with the sunglasses that he thinks Chuck is a real spy. It can't solely be Bryce's decision to give the updated information to him, nor does he have the means to create a device like that by himself. Obviously their superiors gave it to Bryce to relay to Chuck, so I can't help but wonder why they don't consider Chuck a real spy.
And as a side note, I'd of loved to see what Ellie would have done if she found out it was Bryce.
What Chuck was doing was trying to let Sarah down easy so she can deal with her feeling in order to let them go. And I certaintly wouldn't call Chuck's speech a "rant".
I do agree with you that his CIA/NSA superiors gave him the glasses to give to Chuck. There is no way he could do that on his own.
shortpinoyguy
Oct 13 2008, 09:05 PM
I don't know about you but I raised both my arms in victory when he Bryce realized Sarah has feelings for Chuck. Awesome basically giving the hard truth to Bryce all-the-while fixing him up in a painful was icing on the cake.
Lily1
Oct 13 2008, 09:06 PM
again, we always get back to the question of where Bryce gets his intel and resources from, whether he is playing double agent w/ fulcrum, working alone, or w/in CIA but in a sub org that is under the radar. He once said Chuck was his only friend in the world...
gotta check out "my own worst enemy." Intro scene looks good!
dark_dragon
Oct 13 2008, 09:07 PM
Im betting the Jill story arce throw's thing's out of control cause Chuck will be stuck between two girl's one who he used to date and the other who he loves.So this episode is really both a step forward and a step back cause they both speak with body languge how the other feel's for the other.And i love what captine awsome said to chuck at the end.They can only deny they'r feeling's for so long and it's reaching it's limit early in the season.
Taliesinjoe
Oct 13 2008, 09:07 PM
QUOTE (WouldChuck @ Oct 13 2008, 08:59 PM)

Here's the thing I don't understand. Sarah is compromised whether or not she has a real relationship with Chuck. We saw this today. She couldn't shoot the Fulcrum agent because she cares too much about Chuck. She went after Chuck and the Fulcrum agent rather than with Bryce to get the chip. She's compromised no matter what her relationship is with Chuck. Her feelings aren't going to go away just because Chuck has "agreed" with the reasoning for not being able to have a relationship, and I'm very much hoping that the Jill arc gets Sarah to realize beyond any doubts that she really likes Chuck. I want Sarah to get really jealous and realize that she needs to do something. The ironic and spiteful thing about the show is after Chucks rant about never being able to know Sarah's real name or where she grew up or whatever, the he finds out what her real name is and where she went to high school.
Other than their relationship, I'm very curious to see what new information is on the data from the sunglasses. We saw at the end that Bryce did write down on his note to Chuck with the sunglasses that he thinks Chuck is a real spy. It can't solely be Bryce's decision to give the updated information to him, nor does he have the means to create a device like that by himself. Obviously their superiors gave it to Bryce to relay to Chuck, so I can't help but wonder why they don't consider Chuck a real spy.
And as a side note, I'd have loved to see what Ellie would have done if she found out it was Bryce.
I guess that's the big question now and is up to Sarah to finally get out in the open with her feelings. And i really think that during the Jill episodes we will see her struggle to keep it quiet, and see probably flares of jealously exploding, i think.
And yes, i think government has accepted the fact that Chuck is the perfect receptacle for their secrets , cause human brain is the best computer ever.
DN1
Oct 13 2008, 09:08 PM
Does anyone agree these mixed messages are getting difficult to accept? That last scene of Ellie sharing the wedding stuff with Sarah and her looking back at Chuck made it quite obvious how the two feel about each. They are falling in love. BUT the conversation just prior to that meant to me, we have to wait. How long? That's the question. Let's not forget the final scene of season 1 when Chuck invited Sarah in to celebrate the engagement with him and Ellie and Awesome. Now, she's literally right in the middle of the happy couple. But back to my opening question. I want to enjoy an hour of television and not spend it watching a likable guy - and now a likable gal -- be emotionally tortured. That's not fun. And, is any romance in the future going to be for pure cover? As many of you have stated, Chuck's learning to be a spy so doing things for cover are going to get easier.
Sanchez
Oct 13 2008, 09:09 PM
The episode was great.. Michael Strahan was hillarious as a bully with his huge gap and Anna was awesomely hot.
shortpinoyguy
Oct 13 2008, 09:10 PM
QUOTE (DN1 @ Oct 13 2008, 09:08 PM)

Does anyone agree these mixed messages are getting difficult to accept? That last scene of Ellie sharing the wedding stuff with Sarah and her looking back at Chuck made it quite obvious how the two feel about each. They are falling in love. BUT the conversation just prior to that meant to me, we have to wait. How long? That's the question. Let's not forget the final scene of season 1 when Chuck invited Sarah in to celebrate the engagement with him and Ellie and Awesome. Now, she's literally right in the middle of the happy couple. But back to my opening question. I want to enjoy an hour of television and not spend it watching a likable guy - and now a likable gal -- be emotionally tortured. That's not fun. And, is any romance in the future going to be for pure cover? As many of you have stated, Chuck's learning to be a spy so doing things for cover are going to get easier.
I don't know if this fact of fiction or not but I read somewhere two characters will be having a love scene in a future episode. It may be a false statement in order to get Chuck fans riled up.
fukuokarm
Oct 13 2008, 09:11 PM
I think that every time Bryce was telling Chuck that it is Sarah's feelings for Chuck that is compromising her, that Bryce was only doing it so he would be able to get Sarah back. Bryce seems so childish in coming back a second time to say "I told you so" to Chuck. Again, the only reason in my mind that Bryce kept blaming Chuck for the problems with Sarah is so he could manipulate Chuck to break-up with Sarah so he would have a better chance with her in a later episode. However, Sarah wants Chuck and I don't think that there is anything Bryce could get Chuck to do or say that would change that because Chuck is a good guy who wouldn't do anything that would be a game-changer in the love triangle.
Overall, the episode was great. I love the little breaks from Charah at the Buy-More. Morgan and Anna have a great relationship as well. She is everything that Morgan is not.
zDart
Oct 13 2008, 09:13 PM
QUOTE (DN1 @ Oct 13 2008, 10:08 PM)

Does anyone agree these mixed messages are getting difficult to accept? That last scene of Ellie sharing the wedding stuff with Sarah and her looking back at Chuck made it quite obvious how the two feel about each. They are falling in love. BUT the conversation just prior to that meant to me, we have to wait. How long? That's the question. Let's not forget the final scene of season 1 when Chuck invited Sarah in to celebrate the engagement with him and Ellie and Awesome. Now, she's literally right in the middle of the happy couple. But back to my opening question. I want to enjoy an hour of television and not spend it watching a likable guy - and now a likable gal -- be emotionally tortured. That's not fun. And, is any romance in the future going to be for pure cover? As many of you have stated, Chuck's learning to be a spy so doing things for cover are going to get easier.
How long, is what I've been asking myself for awhile. How much longer can they put this off? How much longer can human beings hold these feelings back? Sooner rather than later they are going to explode. Do you think they could sell a Mr and Mrs Smith type thing? I can't help but think how "awesome" it would be if the 2nd half of this season built up to Chuck proposing at Ellie and Awesome's wedding and they made season 3 about them trying to manage spying and married life... I know Im getting ahead of myself here, but I can't help it =P
It would probably end up being a show killer. I just don't understand why they are portraying such a strong connection between these two if they arn't going to act on it?
DN1
Oct 13 2008, 09:13 PM
Just how certain are all of you that Sarah will be jealous of Jill when she has her story arc? It seems logical, but then again, didn't most of you think the break up would be Sarah dumping Bryce? I'm just wondering where the certainty is based.
chuckfan23
Oct 13 2008, 09:14 PM
I think we can all agree that this episode was very "deep" in many different ways.
travis01
Oct 13 2008, 09:16 PM
Actually now you mention it everyone Sarah did kinda break up with Bryce ecept in a very suddle way.Also with the help of Sarahs emotions and Awsome landing the hard shots to him that preatty much nailed that break up.
Travis
DN1
Oct 13 2008, 09:17 PM
QUOTE (shortpinoyguy @ Oct 13 2008, 10:10 PM)

I don't know if this fact of fiction or not but I read somewhere two characters will be having a love scene in a future episode. It may be a false statement in order to get Chuck fans riled up.
If it is false in order to do what you claim, it will be like the iceberg hitting the Titanic....
dark_dragon
Oct 13 2008, 09:17 PM
Sarah fight's bryce this season so something big must go down.So im thinking this break up is really really breif.
zDart
Oct 13 2008, 09:21 PM
QUOTE (dark_dragon @ Oct 13 2008, 10:17 PM)

Sarah fight's bryce this season so something big must go down.So im thinking this break up is really really breif.
Whoah, I haven't heard that... When does this happen?
DN1
Oct 13 2008, 09:22 PM
QUOTE (fukuokarm @ Oct 13 2008, 10:11 PM)

I think that every time Bryce was telling Chuck that it is Sarah's feelings for Chuck that is compromising her, that Bryce was only doing it so he would be able to get Sarah back. Bryce seems so childish in coming back a second time to say "I told you so" to Chuck. Again, the only reason in my mind that Bryce kept blaming Chuck for the problems with Sarah is so he could manipulate Chuck to break-up with Sarah so he would have a better chance with her in a later episode. However, Sarah wants Chuck and I don't think that there is anything Bryce could get Chuck to do or say that would change that because Chuck is a good guy who wouldn't do anything that would be a game-changer in the love triangle.
Respectfully, I disagree. I think what the producers want us to see is that Bryce is a good guy. Their message was lost in "Nemesis" so they made it VERY clear here. Case in point, during the dance sequence at the party that had us all riled up, Chuck was jealous as he watched but we learned was it was pure work with the two passing intel the entire time they made their intimate moves. Bryce is a pro. And Chuck is not, hence the constant comparisons.
chuckfan23
Oct 13 2008, 09:22 PM
^ Please NO SPOILERS!!
zDart
Oct 13 2008, 09:24 PM
QUOTE (chuckfan23 @ Oct 13 2008, 10:22 PM)

^ Please NO SPOILERS!!
sorry, PM it to me if you know what episode this happens in.
CLU
Oct 13 2008, 09:24 PM
I'm still thinking the same as before.. Chuck and Sarah are the "Break Up" and Bryce is with Fulcrum. Bryce is getting closer to Chuck and successfully separating Chuck from Sarah and later Casey. The fact that Ellie saw Sarah with her ex and Chuck playing it down means the Break Up is more than 1 episode in the making ... probably culminating with Jill showing up down the line. With the end of this episode, I can imagine that we'll see some flirting btw Chuck/Sarah, but nothing solid until something real presents itself.
shortpinoyguy
Oct 13 2008, 09:25 PM
QUOTE (DN1 @ Oct 13 2008, 10:17 PM)

If it is false in order to do what you claim, it will be like the iceberg hitting the Titanic....
I don't know how reliable it was...I just read it on some blog.
DN1
Oct 13 2008, 09:26 PM
Sarah didn't hesitate to shoot the villain who held Bryce at gun point. She couldn't pull the trigger when it was Chuck that was the hostage.
Taliesinjoe
Oct 13 2008, 09:26 PM
QUOTE (DN1 @ Oct 13 2008, 09:13 PM)

Just how certain are all of you that Sarah will be jealous of Jill when she has her story arc? It seems logical, but then again, didn't most of you think the break up would be Sarah dumping Bryce? I'm just wondering where the certainty is based.
Well there's never a certainty, but let's say that Jill arc is Lou's arc amplified by ten, imo. Cause u can see that Sarah, after getting dumped by Chuck, she really is sad/pissed, especially after Casey's remarks ( he's the best that guy LOL), and kinda warns Lou not to hurt him( a veiled threat in her voice for sure

), and her getting in the club, compromising his date/cover. And of course during almost the entire episode, her eyes are haunted. Now Jill, that is gonna be more challenging for her, cause they know each other very well, and even though Chuck most likely won't be a jackass, still Sarah most likely will think that he could fall in her arms, and thus her reacting to keep him from the sultry bitch.
Well i guess we have to wait now, darn!!
zDart
Oct 13 2008, 09:26 PM
QUOTE (CLU @ Oct 13 2008, 10:24 PM)

I'm still thinking the same as before.. Chuck and Sarah are the "Break Up" and Bryce is with Fulcrum. Bryce is getting closer to Chuck and successfully separating Chuck from Sarah and later Casey. The fact that Ellie saw Sarah with her ex and Chuck playing it down means the Break Up is more than 1 episode in the making ... probably culminating with Jill showing up down the line. With the end of this episode, I can imagine that we'll see some flirting btw Chuck/Sarah, but nothing solid until something real presents itself.
Dude if Bryce was Fulcrum, they would have Chuck already. Easily.
dark_dragon
Oct 13 2008, 09:28 PM
Yvonne talked about fighting Bryce in a interview i read.
chuckfan23
Oct 13 2008, 09:31 PM
QUOTE (zDart @ Oct 13 2008, 09:26 PM)

Dude if Bryce was Fulcrum, they would have Chuck already. Easily.
I agree. There is no way Bryce is Fulcrum now. The only way he could end up being Fulcrum is if he was somehow brainwashed or blackmailed into helping them. Sarah's alienation could also push him in that direction.
WouldChuck
Oct 13 2008, 09:32 PM
QUOTE (DN1 @ Oct 13 2008, 09:26 PM)

Sarah didn't hesitate to shoot the villain who held Bryce at gun point. She couldn't pull the trigger when it was Chuck that was the hostage.
Exactly. Sarah is compromised whether or not she lets her feelings known to Chuck. If it's affecting her personally, then why not get together for real with Chuck? Doing nothing about it isn't really going to solve much, now is it...
And also, how long is this season? Is it only 9 episodes? And how long is Jill's arc, because I recall hearing somewhere that it was 3 episodes, but I'm not certain.
Taliesinjoe
Oct 13 2008, 09:34 PM
after the alma mater episode, i started doubting of Bryce being rogue, and of course the nemesis episode kinda opens up the fog with bryce mystery. I won't say he's a good guy, cause being a spy u gotta be a bastard most of the times, but i seriously doubt he's with fulcrum, and i got good vibes from this last episode, he accepts that he lost Sarah for good, and he reconnizes Chuck as a potential spy, so i will say let's give him a break. this time
chuckfan23
Oct 13 2008, 09:34 PM
QUOTE (WouldChuck @ Oct 13 2008, 09:32 PM)

Exactly. Sarah is compromised whether or not she lets her feelings known to Chuck. If it's affecting her personally, then why not get together for real with Chuck? Doing nothing about it isn't really going to solve much, now is it...
Actually getting rejected usually has a sobering effect. The thinking behind it is that it will help her deal with her emotions.
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