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ER
OH, BROTHER
11-06-2008 10:00PM

BROTHER KNOWS BEST--COURTNEY B. VANCE GUEST STARS--Morris (Scott Grimes) takes Chaz (Sam Jones III) under his wing and teaches him some risky medical procedures much to the chagrin of Dr. Banfield (Angela Bassett). Neela (Parminder Nagra) gets upset when Dr. Banfield undermines her authority with her intern. Meanwhile, Gates (John Stamos) over steps his bounds with Sam (Linda Cardellini).

Show Cast: Linda Cardellini, John Stamos, Scott Grimes, David Lyons, Angela Bassett, Parminder Nagra

This episode sounds like a real yawn! I really dont like Neela right now.

GO neela!!.... how is the dead dr green reappearing?? not that i am oppose, i often wondered if he would some how appear... hmm almost like days of our lives

After read spoilers for this episode I almost think the same.
But for some others reasons.
Despite Neela's tears at the end of last episode, because Ray left, I think in the following episodes, despite the fact that Neela know that Ray does not like Brenner, She will continue to accept the advances of disgusting Australian Doctor!
Rather than depart Brenner, Neela accepts the invitation for to go with him ant his friends to Ike's! Poor Ray!
I bet was a man who wrote this episode.
No woman in her perfect mind commits the same mistake twice (Gate & Brenner uhg)or continues to relate to men like them.When she should go after Ray or fight for him.

One has to remember that Neela is still in denial when it comes to her feelings for Ray and she will still be smarting from Ray declining her invitation to spend the night. She is saying this more out of pain than because she honestly feels that way. She is probably confused by Ray's change of behavior from before Brenner's interuption and then after. Of course Neela is still very much on the surface where her feelings are concerned so she is not able to for some reason to read between the lines where Ray's words and actions are concerned. She can't see that Ray's decision to not spend the night had to do with Brenner and what that may have looked like from his perspective. She is only thinking about her point of view in all of this which may seem selfish on the outside but then Neela is a very introverted person when it comes to her feelings.

Please don't let Neela's behavior in tonight's episode cloud the bigger picture here in regards to the future of Reela. Neela took a big step in "Haunted" but we can't expect her transformation to be completed overnight. Despite being a quick-study when it comes to her profession, she is slow on the uptake when it comes to romantic relationships. As long as she doesn't give in to Brenner's romantic advances, we can feel pretty much assured that Neela will slowly emerge from her emotionally stunted cocoon to sprout her wings and fly to a new and better life with Ray.

GO REELA!
Sem1973

I am trying to figure out the actor that played the boy's father in tonight's episode. I looked on IMDB but it doesn't list him.

Carl Wethers. He was Apollo Creed in the Rocky movies. Also in Preditor

I, too, believe it was Carl Weathers, although he was not credited, and it does not show up in his IMDB profile / acting history. He has aged well since Rocky.

I hope you are right! I wasn't happy with her going to Ikes tonight. Was kind of hoping that she saw the light (finally) at the end of last weeks epi...she appeared to when we saw her crying at the window. As long as she doesn't go any further with Brenner...kind of glad they didn't go back to them at Ike's at the end...I had seen enough!

That is who I thought it was, Rocky IV was on AMC at the same time, I just wasn't for sure since even when I looked him up it didn't have ER listed under his name. It just seemed odd.

i too am very excited doctor green will be reappearing but confused as to how...

Why do I have a bad feeling about Gates and Sam living together? You just know that something is going to happen to cause drama and angst for the two of them, Alex and Sarah.

Gates has got to be completely clueless about Daria's crush on him and she is becoming a little pathetic. I think she is going to get her heartbroken by the time this story is over.

I think Morris is seeing Chas as a substitute for Greg and pushed him into things he wasn't ready for. I hope Morris gets his focus back soon.

I always thought Banfield had something in her past that was haunting her. Her marriage also looks like it is on shaky ground. From next weeks preview, we are about to find out why.

Neela and Brenner do not have even an ounce of chemistry together and constantly throwing them together isn't going to change that.

Could anybody else tell that she was lying to Brenner when she told him that she and Ray were only friends. Neela wouldn't even look him in the eye when she said it or even after she said it. They only started acting friendly towards each other after they were both drunk. The same pattern we have always seen with Neela, lying to herself and everybody else about what she wants and how she feels, then throwing herself at men she doesn't even know. It is starting to get a little old.

NEELA, come ON!

Ok, so she can't change overnight, but getting drunk with Brenner and the guys seems like a REALLY bad idea that can lead to no good!

I don't think I realized that she was going to be either so weak or so lonely or both that not getting what she asked Ray for (spend more time, spend the night) would lead to this so soon after their reunion! That's what makes for some tension in the storytelling, I guess. Even if it is annoying, at least it's not boring.

I, too, am really glad they didn't have another scene with Neela at the bar with the guys. That definitely would have been too much for me! I can't say that I noticed Neela lying to Brenner. To me it just seemed like her old usual "avoid the uncomfortable in whatever way possible" self. I think it was the same look she had when Brenner tried to talk to her at the hospital in front of Ray (just before Ray said Brenner seemed like a dick). I thought it was very disrespectful to Ray, so good thing he isn't around.

That was definitely Carl Weathers (Apollo Creed from Rocky). I haven't read anything about the Anthony Edwards epi, so I guess the writers are inserting Dr. Banfield into ER past with Dr. Green.

Oy. I KNOW I'm going to get flack, but I LOVED Neela going to hang with Brenner and his "Rugby buddies" at Ike's. Um...Ray left. AGAIN. Why shouldn't Neela get on with her life? *shrug* Just wondering. Brenner is charming. Neela IS single. She's not committed in ANY way to Ray. Why SHOULDN'T she have a bit of fun with Brenner? Why is it "disgusting"? Did you guys have the same feelings when the Ray/Neela relationship "started"? She was a married woman at that point. Were you "disgusted"? I'm not saying that I don't see Ray and Neela ending up together in the end (mainly because of the completely rabid "roomie" fans), but I don't see ANY problem with her having a little bit of fun in the mean time. FFS. Ray was a PIG when he first joined the show. Have you guys forgotten that?

"Samka" part two. Seriously. She FREAKED OUT when Luka asked her to move in with HIM (though she CLAIMED to love him), but now with Tony it's "Ok, might be a good idea!" Gimme a break. ;0

As for the rest of the episode, I liked it. I LOVED the scene with Morris and Chas in the ambulance bay. FREAKING FANTASTIC. I was waiting for a cheesy re-hash of something Carter/Doug/Greene/Greg/Luka had said. Instead it was fresh. AWESOME.

Loved the glimpses into Banfield's past. Good stuff.

Did anyone ELSE do a double take and go "Is that EVIL Alex or GOOD Alex????" Me, I'm thinking it's evil Alex, but I can't be sure.

I didn't agree with Banfield trying to tell Neela how to teach her intern. Last I checked, she was the Chief Of The ER, not Chief Of Staff, it wasn't her place to do that and then to get hateful with Neela and telling her that she wasn't discussing it with her. That she would talk to Dubenko about it and not her.

I totally agree. I love Ray and Neela as much as the next person, but she's still not yet fully attached to anyone. I think we all know that she and Ray are surely destined to be together, but as a single woman, she's definitely allowed to go and be with other people. I do think that a 'love triangle' is kind of old and played out. But if you look at it in retrospect, there is no commitment between she and ray yet. Plus, i don't know if it's just me, but i totally see chemistry between Neela and Brenner in that 'love to hate you' sort of way. He's grown on me.
I think they're just trying to show her as human. As far as she knows, Ray's back in Baton Rouge living his life without her. Any sane woman would want to blow off some steam by spending time with a gaggle of pretty rugby players rather than sitting at home waiting for the love of her life to IM her.

Brenner is a DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Neela...Well...I dont care about her anymore! She's a B****
How can I loved Neela character once?
God. I'm a woman and I respect myself!
Neela does not have a drop of decency!
I'm back to see ER when Ray's back again!
TrainerjenPerhaps your ideal type of man. For me Brenner is a man simply disgusting!

Ray was not a pig when entered when he joined the show. Because Ray did not take their love relationships into the County. Never had sex with anyone within the County. In addition, Ray did not need chasing women. They were women who went after him.
Brenner unlike Ray, is a sleuth disgusting.
It's my first post. I dont usually comment, but because I feel so disgusted with Neela's attitude , I did not resist.
It is not normal that a woman like her, talk about Ray ( her best and sweet friend) with someone as inconvenient and disgusting as Brenner. Abby was right when said to Neela that Ray must now wish never know her.
Neel had a personality so balanced and we falled in love with her. But now it is impossible to like someone like her. Selfish, always make the fake victim, indecisive and unfair. (girl Ray lost his legs!!! And is now a great man)
It is unbearable see Neela today, repeating the same mistakes with men and not learn anything with them.
But worst of all is accepting surround herself with these disgusting men, of which she had to be diverted.
How dare she speak for Brenner about Ray! Neela Shut up!
Only an old friend?
Why? Because he refused to spend the night with you?

Like someone said, I dont want see ER again without Shane West too. When Ray back, I back to see ER again.
And if Neela continue to behave like this. It is good that she will stay away from Ray and to be nasty and dirty with who she wants. Because Ray never hurt her, but Neela has hurt Ray several times.

And someone please tell Brenner to wash his hair, because it is too oily.

I felt this was a solid episode. Morris kinda ticked me off in the beginning with his teacher's pet act with Chazz. He had no business put Chazz in those procedures and it made me somewhat uncomfortable watching 3rd year attending behave so irresponsibly. But as usual, Morris finds a way to pull you in and make you root for him. By the end he did just that. You understood why he was so overzealous with Chaz and you could tell Banfield felt for him.

Speaking of Banfield, she remains such a mystery. I liked her interactions with her husband(Basset and Vance are married in real life). Even though it was very subtle and not overstated, you can tell there is pain and heartache between them. And I just like how Morris and Frank are gently breaking down the wall that Banfield has put up around her.

Back to Morris again, I also liked the subplot between he and the boxer's father. Morris was clearly looking at the father's situation with his son as a reflection of his own experience with his father. Morris' father didn't support him and never appreciated his skills and accomplishments as a doctor. I think Morris misinterpreted the same scenario with the father and son. I'm glad he saw the light in the end.

In terms of Neela, it was almost exactly the same situation with her and Gates in Graduation Day when she got drunk at Ike's after Michael's death. They are showing a lot of deja vu moments. It's like they keep happening over and over. You can see the parallels. Just like when her and Brenner went at it in the season finale. It was almost exactly like her and Gates in season 13. We keep witnessing the same vicious cycles. This is definitely a deliberate strategy by TPTB. I think they are trying to show Neela wrestling with the same problems, but the only difference this time is that she will overcome them.

To Trainerjen: For someone who has made it clear that they don't have any interest or investment in the roomie relationship, you sure like to talk about them.

To love22: I have tried to respect your opinion because you have claimed that you are a roomie fan. However, I don't believe you are a roomie fan and I think you should stop calling yourself one. I think you are a Ray/Shane West fan only. There is nothing wrong with that but I think it would be best if you no longer pretend to be a roomie fan. Your comments about Neela are always very negative and it's obvious you have an extreme dislike for her. A true roomie fan is one who loves, respects, appreciates, and understands both Neela and Ray. A shipper of couple has to like and embrace both characters. It is not one sided. You are clearly just interested in Ray and only care about when he turns up on the screen. I don't think your hatred and disgust for Neela will end anytime soon. So I think it would be best for you to stop shipping this couple because it is obvious you are not supportive of Neela and your negativity and insulting name calling is getting very annoying. It is also very disrespectful to those of us that are true roomie fans. I no longer consider you a roomie fan. I'm sorry.

G-UNIT I agree with most of your post. But I confess that often question me because they continue to be a Roomie Fan too.
I'm not give up on Roomies yet. But it's hard, when Neela spent almost 3 seasons wrestling with the same problems and put Ray in her love triangles.
I believe that Neela needs to resolve her feelings that she really wants in life. But I agree with the majority that says Neela should dispel Brenner and refuse his invitations for date or going out. And if she really needs to solve the problems , why not consult with Dubenko or with senior people within the county with certainty that open her eyes. (Frank, Morris, Sam and many others were so happy when Ray surprise her last week) Because the surround herself with Brenner she sinks to be more the problem than to solve.
I hope that Neela resolve their problems quickly and keep out of Brenner. Because what she said yesterday about Ray, no doubt fueled the Brenner's hope.

Sorry for my bad english. I hope G-unit ...I hope you do not get mad at me for saying that I do not agree Neela accepting Brenner invitation and talk that Ray is just an old friend.

Elsa, don't worry. I wasn't talking about you. I know you are a true roomie fan. I don't have a problem with people criticizing or questioning Neela. That is okay because we all do that to every character. But I do have a problem with people who continuously give insulting and degrading names to characters they supposedly love. It shows a very malicious intent on the part of the person. It is just a very nasty and negative attitude to have. It shows the lack of understanding someone has for a character. Character's evolve, some slower than others. As viewers, we have to have insight and watch attentively in order to see the story and character evolve from one phase to another. To simply put down a character who you claim to like time and time again simply because they don't do what you want them to do when you want them to do it is just ludicrous.

yeah, you are right! I no longer consider myself a Roomie Fan. I'm only Ray Barnett Fan.
I'm Shane West and Parminder Nagra Fan Fan, but not Neela Fan.
Maybe if Neela show me that she really deserves Ray!

I absolutely loved this episode. Loved Morris!! You can tell he's hurting so much from Pratt's death and is struggling to handle himself. I think it's brilliant to bring Chaz into the ER and see the interaction between him and the staff. It looks like Morris and many others are using Chaz as a Greg replacement and it'll be interesting see how it plays out. Scott Grimes is such an amazing actor. I also enjoyed Banfield's storyline and cannot wait for next week so we can find out what's really going on with her. I think we're going to warm up to her after next week.

As far a Neela goes, I'm a fan that hopes that Ray and Neela get their happy ending but i had absolutely no problem with her going to the bar & hanging out with Brenner. Ray and Neela do not have a relationship yet and she is free to do whatever she wants. Come on, let the girl have some fun in her life... she needs it desperately. I'm sure she feels rejected by Ray and wanted to hang out with someone that made her feel good about herself. Brenner seems to fill those shoes nicely. And although Brenner seems to have strong feelings for her, she seems very much in control and only wants to be his friend. And that's all she was last night, his friend. So cut the girl some slack...

Anyone know who played the homeless man in the "Oh Brother" episode? He was the guy with the paratrooper tattoo like Tony has.

Thanks!!

I thought that this episode was so-so. But I suppose, compared to last week it would've taken a lot to trump Ray returning!!

I am very excited to see next week's episode. I believe we'll get more of an understanding of Dr. Banfield's past, and maybe understand more as to why she seems so uptight and unhappy. Of course it will be awesome to see Anthony Edwards too!

As far as Neela going to meet up with Brenner and his buddies, I had mixed feelings about it. I agree with other comments saying that she is technically not dating Ray, so that shouldn't prevent her from having fun. We didn't see her really having any physical contact with Brenner either. Flirting a bit, but no kissing, etc. Even people who are dating, or even married flirt! I hope that maybe her and Brenner may be able to become just friends, and maybe it would be him who tells her to go after Ray, and to help her realize what her true feelings are! That would be a more positive scenario.

I can't wait for more episodes, but I don't look forward to ER coming to a close

Sigh. You're not going to get flack for saying you liked Neela hanging out with Brenner. Good for you. But you are going to get flack for your constant need to characterize Roomie fans ("completely rabid" as you recently called us). I thought this was a thread to critique the episode, not the viewers and fanbases who watch it. Considering that many members of this board have been here much longer than you, posting in-depth analyses about various storylines for several years, I suggest you check your bashing, subtle and otherwise, about particular fan groups at the door.

For someone who doesn't care about the Roomies, you presume to know a lot about their history. When Neela became self-aware of how close she was to Ray, she took immediate steps to remove herself from the situation so that she would remain faithful and true in her marriage vows to Michael. We were not 'disgusted' then because there was nothing to be 'disgusted' about with Neela -- it was painfully clear that she was trying to do the right thing. The tragic aftermath, involving everything from Michael's death to Ray's accident, is what makes this Roomie relationship both heartbreaking and complicated. But despite the past, we see a future for them because they truly were best friends from the start. Say what you will about Ray in the early days of S.11. The big difference is that Ray did not bed a woman and then snub/use/verbally abuse her the next, like Brenner does (or did, before TPTB started this transparent attempt to rehabilitate him -- obviously they are trying to make him more likeable as a potential love interest for Neela, a tactic they are obviousy taking because they need to stall until Ray's next appearance).

By the way, you may think of us a small, overzealous group, but clearly TPTB and TV critics acknowledge us -- as evidence by the fact that a departed character has returned, and there was tons of publicity surrounding it. In fact, Ray's return last week drew in 16 percent more viewers than the season premiere did. 'Nuff said!

That was very well said Sandal. I couldn't have said it better myself.

By the way, that Carl Weathers hasn't aged a bit. He looks just as youthful as he did when he played Apollo Creed.

True, but I felt like his TV makeup was not done well -- looked like he was wearing foundation or something.

I did find that opening scene with the woman in the gurney stuck to the MRI machine totally hilarious -- I was not expecting such a sight gag, and laughed out loud when I saw it!

Is Daria trying to flirt with Tony or trying to avoid flirting with Tony? She's, like, around him but then trying to get away... (the actress by the way, Shiri Appleby, is adorable). Loved Morris -- Scott Grimes is stepping up big-time as an actor,and I can so understand how Morris can't get over Pratt's death.

I am also enjoying Angela Bassett. She's awesome. Dr. Banfield is soo tightly wound; you can see it on her face, the way she purses her lips..she's so tense.. next week's epi, with my all-time favorite original ER doc, Mark Greene, is going to be soo awesome. Look for other familiar faces to appear as well!

In regards to Carl Weathers, I think it is fitting that he played a former boxer. I also agree that he hasn't aged a day in the twenty five years since he last played Apollo Creed.

I liked this episode.

Morris behaving wrongly towards Chaz cause hes Pratt brother was only natural, or at least I thought so.
It was obvious he hasnt got over his death.

Daria... so in love with Gates... wrong!

OMG When I saw Alex coming to the ER... hes huge!
I hate that of boys... they grow all of a sudden! Bet Linda doesnt like him being taller than her ROTFL!
I like Tony/Sam, I always hated Gates when he was running behind Neela, but he and Sam are a completely different story.

I really love Frank!
Hes so cute, trying to help Catherine with the cooking!
and I really like how she ended recognizing Morris -as a doctor- and Frank's help.
Very weird her relation with her husband, guess it has to do with what happened in a promo Ive seen.

^I really hated her when she tried to lecture Neela. She can advice Andrew cause hes new, but she cant tell Neela what to say. Im glad Neela told her that.

Uhm about Neela.
I consider myself both a Roomie shipper and a Ray & Neela fan.
The person who said Ray was like Brenner at the beggining really didnt watch ER's 11th season at all.

Neela going to Ike's?
Uhm, Ray came back in the 5th episode, I cant expect the tptb of ER to left her hanging till the end of the season.
She went to Ikes, she had fun. Nothing else happened.
She wasnt happy at admitting she and Ray are friends. Cause thats what they are now, though all know they arent, cause they are more.

I actually thought the episode on the whole wasn't too bad, particularly Morris and Chaz's storyline, but looks like the ratings took a tumble again - they lost over half a million viewers after last week's brief spike (8.64 million viewers, down from 9.16 million last week).
It was a good idea to have old cast members guest starring in scattered episodes this season, both for the viewers and the ratings - given that only 4 old cast members are left in the show. I am very excited about next week's episode, with all the old cast members scheduled to guest - I suspect the ratings will improve again!

One scene I thought was absolutely hiliarious was when the interns and chazz took the woman to the MRI room. I work in the medical field and technically if that would have happened in real like the woman probably would have died. form the impact but it made for funny tv.

I love angela bassett as an actress i have watch nearly all her movies. But I hate the role they have made her protray on the show. She is a total BITCH!!!!

I liked this episode. I enjoyed the scenes with Morris and Chaz. I understood why Morris acted the way he did with Chaz and I liked their scene at the end. Morris was honest about why he did what he did, I admire that. It's obvious he's still struggling with Greg's death but I think him and Chaz will help each other with their grief.

I didn't mind seeing Neela going to Ike's and having fun. Nothing happened between her and Brenner, so it's cool.

henia77 I totally agree with you in regards to Angela's character. She is a bitch, which is why I enjoy when she gets told off! I like that the staff isn't afraid to stand upto her

I actually thought it was a good episode- I enjoyed seeing Sam and Gates for the first time.. I think they go well, although it kinda reminded me of when Luka asked Sam to move in.
The morris and chaz moments were sweet, seeing morris talk about Pratt and how much he missed him was really sad but showed so much emotion.. glad to see that he isn't forgotten and how much he affected them.

I thought it was great when Dr Banfield got told by Neela as I didn't agree with when she started lecturing Neela on how she should treat her intern.. very harsh. But theres also something about Dr Banfield- she seems like a character that has been through alot although we don't really know what yet.

Neela with Brenner and his guys wasn't actually bad IMO.. she looked reluctant and her drinking with them didn't seem bad. Although she said her and Ray are only friends to Brenner.. she didn't look happy saying that and well at the moment they are only friends - she still needs time to understand her feelings and admit them.. but I also think she thought she was being rejected by Ray in 'haunted' when he left. I think it was fine as long as she doesn't sleep with Brenner again but having drinks with him is harmless and normal. I remember Ray even saying to her that she needs to go out and have a social life!

I am really looking forward to next week's episode. To be honest, I got all teary over the preview! Gotta pick up a box of kleenex and tell the hubby to leave me alone!!

OMG I'm glad I didn't watch. Brenner needs to buy himself a clue already.

Yep. Exactly.

I've ALSO watched ER for years (since the VERY first episode, BTW). I'm very sorry, but this isn't exactly a community you can "jump in" to. *shrug* You're a little bit of a "clique". Nothing wrong with that. But know what? I have NO apologies for my "opinions" and "analysis" Mine are JUST as valid as yours, and if you don't accept that, I'm sorry. *shrug* Sure you all have "been around" longer. And have posted "in depth" analysis. (which I could do as well...BTW). I still maintain that there is ZERO "chemistry" between Neela and Ray.

I'm in NO WAY "bashing" Ray and Neela. NOT AT ALL. I'm STILL sincerely IRRITATED by those who want freaking CARTER AND ABBY back together. Luka and Abby were the obvious "choice" and anyone who didn't see that is pretty sad.

*sigh* and I HATE that you get that "feel" from me. I don't mean for it to come off in that way. AT ALL. I made a mistake in calling the "roomie" fans "completely rabid"...blame it on a leeeeetle bit too much merlot.

My irritation comes from the "fans" who've "bashed" ME for saying "YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T FEEL THE RAY/NEELA LOVE!" I'm very SORRY, but I don't think I'm the ONLY one. I sincerely JUST DON'T GET IT. I don't. Neela was a MARRIED WOMAN. And the fact that there's SO many "Reela" fans who CHEERED Michael's death just kind of annoys me. Sorry.

I'll say it again,as I've said it a THOUSAND times before. I hope that the "roomie" fans get what they want. But I'm sorry. I'm not going to say that I HATE Neela hanging out with Brenner at Ikes. :shrug: I actually liked it, and I HOPE Neela ends up happy. I hope RAY ends up happy FFS. Oy.

I realize I'm a relative "newbie" here. Know what? Not every "newbie" is an idiot. And I FIRMLY believe that Ray and Neela aren't THE ER couple. *shrug* Sorry about that.

Not so much.

It's just that it's ALL that's talked about on these forums. I've made my feelings clear, and I'm sorry if I've offended. BUT...what I'm saying, is that there's MUCH more to ER than "REELA...SQQQQQQQQUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!" This episode had NOTHING to do with Ray and Neela, and people are ticked off that Neela had a COMPLETELY harmless "night out with the boys". *shrug*

Again, I don't care one way or the other if Ray and Neela end up together. But PLEASE don't shove the fact that they HAVE to be together down my throat! I don't see it. At all. If you do, that's fine and dandy, and AGAIN, I don't care one way or another. But the fact that you people seem to think that those of us who do NOT see it are complete IDIOTS just kind of makes me laugh.

Again. Whatever. I'm NOT invested in this couple. Just don't tell me I'm stupid for not seeing the so-called chemistry between them. *shrug*

A fangroup is by nature a 'clique,' if you ask me. No one asked you to apologize for your opinions (re-read my note, particularly the first line); you're entitled to have them just like roomie fans are entitled to theirs.



Okay, that's fine. I appreciate that you said that; we're not unreasonable.



Well, some fans can be very passionate about the couples they ship. But you have stated your position time and time again that you think there's "ZERO" chemistry between Ray and Neela. We get it. You don't have to keep repeating it everytime someone posts a pro-Roomie note. When you do, it feels like you are trying to pick a fight.



I'm a relative newbie myself. Nobody owns the board (other than NBC) or dictates that only pro-Roomie comments can be posted. My point was that the Roomie discussion has been going on for several seasons and there are lot of fans invested in it. You may not see chemistry there, but their history speaks to a future for them. But many of your posts carry a tone that implies that we're the "idiots" for shipping a couple that you feel has no chemistry at all. Like we just got this crazy idea to pair them, with no support from show canon. That's what is not appreciated here. If you don't like them, fine. Leave them be to the fans who do.

As for your feeling that the Roomies is all that's talked about on these forums, that's something you'll have to deal with if you read and post here. We're not apologizing for that. Obviously there are a lot of fans who ship them and have something to say. If fans have other things to stay about other characters, they are obviously free to post. It's not my fault they don't. It's the final season and Ray is scheduled for another appearance, so Roomie fans are not going anywhere.

We'll all just have to agree to disagree. That's all.

After reading this thread, I'm going to issue a reminder to everyone on both sides. Please refrain from making your disagreements personal. It is understandable that not everyone will agree on everything about the show or specific episodes, but, there is no need to get angry with those who hold opinions you don't. It's only a television show, there is no reason for things to get ugly or for anyone's feelings to get hurt, most importantly, this is the last season of the show, let's try to end it on a positive note. It someone's opinions bother you, ignore their posts, and if you find someone is attacking you, please pm me immediately.

Thank you for your cooperation,
JD/Forum Moderator

Thank you for posting that reminder Aziz! I think someone needed to come in and stop the bleeding before things got out of hand. I think we all should just respect each others opinion and not get personal. This is the last season and we need to focus on how special this show is rather than argue about who likes who and who doesn't. Thank you for reminding us of that Aziz.

To Trainerjen: I am here speaking on behalf of the roomie fans. I would like to make a peace offering to you as well as offer a possible to solution.

First of all, you have made it clear that Neela and Ray just don't do it for you and you are not interested in them together because you don't see any great chemistry with them as a couple. That's fine. I respect that. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm glad you come here to post your opinions. I'm happy for everyone who comes here to talk about this great show that is ER, especially during it's last season. I appreciate you as a fellow member to this board and appreciate some of the insight you give about the show.

The only problem that I have with you is that you go out of your way to counter everything any pro Neela and Ray(aka roomie fan) has to say. It is not necessary. No one here has provoked you or challenged you to do so. So when you do it out of the blue, it comes across as you trying to stir up controversy. You have made it clear time and time again that Neela and Ray as a couple don't interest you and that you don't see the big deal of them being together. You've spoken your piece, so why not stop right there? Why not focus on the episode and other characters rather than continuously trying to prove your opposing view on the roomie relationship? Why do you have to have some counter argument against each roomie fan all the time?

You even said in your post that "BUT...what I'm saying, is that there's MUCH more to ER than "REELA...SQQQQQQQQUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!" This episode had NOTHING to do with Ray and Neela, and people are ticked off that Neela had a COMPLETELY harmless "night out with the boys". The ironic thing is that even though you made that comment, your first post about the episode was almost entirely about your current perception about the roomie relationship since Ray left as well as questioning why roomie fans had a problem with her going to the bar with Brenner.

The point that I'm making Trainerjen, is that if you are not a fan of Neela and Ray as a couple, and if you don't get their relationship, and if you don't see any chemistry with them as a couple, and if you don't care to see them as a couple, and if you don't get why roomie fans like them so much, then just stop talking about them. Ignore it and focus on the episode and the other characters. If Ray and Neela aren't important to you, then it shouldn't matter what roomie fans say. So the simple solution is for you not to talk about Neela and Ray. You are under no obligation to since you don't ship the couple. Leave that to us roomie fans. I hope that what I said made sense to you and I hope that this solves the problem. I am officially dropping the subject and I hope we all can move on from this. Peace to you Trainerjen and God bless. No hard feelings!!!

Oh, please. The 'roomie' gang is pretty small (same posters, all the time) but vocal so replying to such posts is kinda the only thing to do. And "analysis"?! Squeeing and saying how cute a couple is doesn't quite qualify as an analysis. However, lucky me, this relationship doesn;t have any depth so I'm spared of the "analysis" suggesting that e.g. a Panda teddy bear is, you know, more than a Panda teddy bear.

I've tried talking about the show only, but gave it up because no one is interested.

Word of advice: don't take everything so personal and don;t be so defesive. It will make the convo go smoother. You don;t have to prove to anyone that Ray and Neela are a great couple. That's your take on things and be happy with it just like that. I don;t think it's a religion and people should be converted to it. I, for one, find SW's lack of acting skills a turn off and that he ruined the Neela character for me (who I completly adored in S10), but I get that teens find him somewhat attractive.
Just like the story; it's only a matter of taste. Some like comedy, I'm one for drama and angst. No need to write novels about how great the "soon to be" (probably) couple is. I get it. So did others.

Okaaay, Soooo, back to the episode...

Daria and Gates---puhleeez, this was so silly. And didn't Daria and the blond intern seem to be wearing similar dresses in the beginning--a dark tank dress of some sort--they didn't look all that professional to me. I liked Daria in her first epi when she seemed kinda spunky and brainy, now she just seems like a pathetic school girl with a crush.

Chazz and Morris--I was shaking my head watching Morris let him do all those procedures, I knew the outcome wasn't going to be good. But I really enjoyed the end scenes between Morris and Banfield and Morris and Chazz. By the way---we haven't seen many first yr med students in the ER, have we?

Banfield--She sure cracks that whip with her husband! I felt bad for him...Eager to see more of their relationship, including the flashback scenes next week...the previews seem heartwrenching.

Frank can cook? Lol! Veal Frankellini? Ha! Sounds like it would go well with Pasta a la Barnett---shout out to the Roomie fans!

Neela---I wasn't sure what was going to come out of her hanging out with Brenner and his buddies at the bar---I got more of a friend vibe than anything, which is cool...I am hopeful that there will still be a Ray/Neela happy ending!



Tiger Lily

Just a follow-up to my previous post...I am not going to tell people they cannot post to episode threads or discuss portions of them because they hold a view outside of anyone elses. I will come down on people for attacking other people for those views, regardless of which side they stand on. Again, if you don't like a certain poster's opinion, don't read their posts, but, I'm not going to tell them they are not able to voice those opinions.

JD/Forum Moderator

ITA re Daria! I have to go back and watch the Gates/Daria/Sam scenes in Haunted again (wasn't paying as much attention the first time around, as you know, Tiger Lily! lol) to see how this all started...

I'm glad that Frank is getting his share of the limelight in the final season. The way he went and got all the ingredients and gave it all to Banfield...that's all it took to make a small dent in her tough exterior. This coming from the guy who used to say, "are your arms broken? i'm not your personal secretary.."

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Yeah, thats another thing I forgot to mention.. Frank is really growing as well.. I think it was awesome how he insisting in giving those ingredients to her.. Dr banfield could only melt by the end of it. lol.

as we are in a democracy, let us continue to give opinion on ER and their episodes, and that this forum continues being "impartial", independent if like of the blue, green or yellow..... and without personal attacks

My opinion about episode

1) I think that it was a weak episode, the traumas were not touching
2) Morris is the best character of that season, sensitive and feeling responsible for Chaz, his best friend's brother Pratt, in spite of him to be wrong in teaching Chaz instead of the other interns
3)I liked Banfield to be angry with Morris and Neela for them to teach better their interns
4) Frank is so cute helping Banfield with the dinner
5) Neela - her inconstancy is a constant - she is lost, she doesn't know how to assume their feelings, and she only knows how to be happy drunk
6) I hate Brenner - he is a character totally dispensable in ER
7) I miss Ray, he makes necessary, I love the character and I liked him a lot in the last episode, it would like him to return in more episodes, and with more romantic scenes with Neela, and the proof of that was the audience of last week
8) I hope the next episode is better, the expectation is big

and to have wisdom and success in that we wished is not the quantity that matters, to real importance comes from the quality of as we followed the way

K@

Something to think about...

Brenner mentioned twice that he was now in charge of finding guest lecturers for grand rounds. This seems like a good way to get former Docs back to County (Carter, Benton, Cleo maybe even Ross). Neela mentioned that one of his choices was "way too expensive", I am assuming one of these docs will come back for a discounted rate.

Writers don't include things like being in charge of guest lecturers by accident. This would only be considered small talk and there is no other reason for it to be in the script.