Is there synopsis for 2X08. I didn't read one. There are spoilers out there so I kind of know what happens in that episode but I have not read it directly.

Also Josh and Chris are nuts to bring back Jill the way they are, she could have been used so much better. Oh well.

You know why we're all so p*ssed? This vehicle that is Chuck and Sarah has slowly been gaining speed since early in the first season. It reached a good highway speed by the last episode of season 1 with Sarah ready to kill a fellow agent for Chuck on that rooftop. And now, as if the producers feel they see the destination ahead AND are afraid of reaching it are slowing down, speeding up, almost coming to a complete stop, then accelerating again. That's just obnoxious. Don't you agree? Example? What the h*ll was the point of that "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" homage in "Seduction" when Sarah walks up to Chuck in the Buy More to the song, "Do You Believe in Love?" (nice fantasy sequence). This, naturally (yes, I'm being sarcastic), was followed soon after by "the talk" in the very next episode. C'mon. I think we are all feeling that the producers are afraid of the destination to which THEY set course from nearly the beginning of season 1 (remember Cerina telling Chuck that Sarah liked him waaaay back in "Wookiee"?)

You could always take the leap like I did DN1 and read the spoilers. But once you do, you can never go back. Never. Just kidding, I'm the type who can read the end of a book and still read it from the beginning as if I don't know what happened.

I read the spoilers and yet I don't feel disappointed...it just makes me more excited about seeing the episode when acted out instead of read on the script.

^I hear ya short. My wife always wonders how I can watch a movie over and over again even though I know the ending. It's like I can forget the ending and pretend I'm watching it for the first time.

You're right about watching it vs. reading it. The script barely touches what the show actually looks like.

One of my fave movies is Spaceballs with so many memorable lines and I never get sick of it.

Yeah...you can try to imagine the characters doing the scenes but it just isn't the same, which is probably why there is a fanfic thread created for such an occasion where we can live out or frustrations in the AU world with our two main characters together.

I second that

Chuck seeing Jill - I'm loathe to term it dating - has to start mission related in 2.06. What spills over into this episode is hard to say. Chuck is not field trained so, unlike Sarah and Casey, separating his unresolved feelings for Jill from the job is not something he will be able to do easily. Given the depth of his feelings the events of 2.06 must rekindle those feelings. I'm sure Chuck is very confused at the end of 2.06.

That being said, the whole idea of a weekend getaway really grates with me.

As long as the show doesn't pull the "I broke up with you and lied about dating Bryce to save you from being recruited to the CIA", I am open minded to anything. Now I'm really tempted to read spoilers....must...resist....must....

Trust me on one thing. Actually two
First if you read a spoiler you'll never stop ( as someone said before )
Second , if you will read the spoilers for the next few episode, you'll be more confused than now.

Sometimes i wish i never saw any spoilers, i would be less conflicted ( and confused )

The frustration arises because the pacing is all over the place. I'll give the show through the end of this season to smooth it out, otherwise - who knows. "Slow and steady" I can live with...but the yo-yo'ing just aggravates me to no end; it doesn't make me yearn for more.

Comedy makes you laugh. Drama makes you curious. But love grabs the heart & soul.

I agree with you but.
I believe the writers makes our hero and heroine deal with there demons from the past first. Sarah had to confront her past and because Chuck acted as he did she finally be able to open for him.
Chuck have to deal with Jill because she was his first big love who left him hurt big time. He have to close this episode of his life before really move on. If he choses Sarah over Jill for real, there will be no doubt in his feelings anymore in the eyes of Sarah.
There is about 10 years of Sarah's past ( some time with Bryce ) we don't know about , i guess we will have a closure from that too ( or at least with Bryce, they didn't have a real closure )
When all this will happen both of them will know that the others has real feelings ( remember even when you think the other loves you ,you still have some small doubt and you'll need to be reassured in some way ) they will be able to move forward with their relationship much faster.
So i don't like this emotional yo-yo part atm, but i feel it a bit necessary. BUT if this things will be resolved and they'll pull something else, i'll give up.
So i'll wait until the end of this season to see where it goes, but if i see more obstacles ( with only one reason to keep them apart for tension ) put in the way, i...don't know. Will see For sure i'll deeply disappointed for one

Josh Schwartz's experience mostly lies in romantic dramas: The OC, Gossip Girls. So it's these types of storylines he will fall to for ratings because it's his comfort zone. So expect lots of mindless romantic nonsense.

If this show was being helmed by Russell T Davies, then I think it would be wittier, have a more complicated espionage storyline, and still have humour and more balanced romance.

Yes, the show needs to get away from the "angst and jealousy" stuff. It's stealing oxygen from the other storylines.

And there are ways of dealing with that, of course, but apparently we'll never see it...so I guess it's a case of "what might have been?"

Second that. They promised a big shift in the story ( unexpected and fun ) from 2.14 so lets hope they will break the old traditions and go the unexpected way ( getting Chuck and Sarah together to ease the romantic tension and concentrate on action/comedy )
The whole Jill arc can foreshadow this, nothing would be more unexpected than Chuck and Sarah hook up for good after the whole Jill stuff. Wishful thinking i know, but you know hope never die

While I do agree that Chuck needs to close the Jill chapter of his life (once and for all) in order to have a happy, healthy relationship with Sarah, why can't he do that without bringing her back? In life, we don't always get a chance to get closure with an ex. Sometimes they leave (or we leave) and are never heard from again. That isn't to say that we will never have another relationship or even a better relationship with someone else in the future. That is why I have faith that this will all be mission related because in real life we don't all get a chance to reconnect with an ex to clear the air or whatever will close that chapter. I feel that Jill was looking for Chuck on purpose. I have no proof, just a strong sense of faith in the show we love.

Having closure live is more tension. You next girlfriend "to be " watching you while you try to find out your real feelings for your ex while you're with her is more tension. Bringing a new guest star who is famous is more ratings.

Agreed. My point is that I have faith that Jill's appearance is more than just a way to make Sarah jealous. I don't think the writers would pull something so lame. Jill's part of a mission.

I hope the same but the official synopsis suggest otherwise. I just hope it's misleading by purpose

Actually, I would like to read the spoilers, know what's going to happen, and then be able to kick back and enjoy some laughs and the romance. This IS a comedy so it's not like an M. Night Shyamalan film where spoiler ruin the reason I watch. I've rewatched every episode several times because the show is entertaining, just like I've seen "Slap Shot", "Animal House", and "The Blues Brothers" over and over. I enjoy the ride.

Here's a dilemma for those producers, though, with the entrance of Jill. IF Chuck dates Jill for real (as opposed to some sort of sting operation), they are going to have a tough time trying to justify it and not make Chuck look like a flake. Sarah is so ingrained in Chuck's life that she's one of Ellie's bridesmaids. Both she and Awesome have been active in the relationship, intervening when it appeared Bryce was getting in the way (remember them asking how Chuck and Sarah keep the spark alive -- and he goes back to Jill after that?!). And, Morgan knows how Chuck feels about Sarah (he points out how lucky Chuck is whenever he points her out entering the Buy More). How in the world can the writers explain Chuck moving on to Jill with all of this history that has happened in front of his friends and family. The only reason he would move on is because he and Sarah are only together for cover, something ONLY Chuck and Sarah know. Chuck can look like an incredible flake. Jill playing interference would've worked if it came much earlier before everyone knew, for real or fake, how our hero feels about our heroine. You know what I mean?

I got you, and you're right. Also how can they go back to fake their relationship after Jill leaves?
No one will believe Sarah forgave him that fast. Or they wont be a fake couple then? What would keep her there then?

Thats what i was thinking. It would be hard to explain the breakup between Chuck and Sarah since Sarah is so close to Ellie now.

Here's the thing, too: I'm a viewer so I want to sit back and enjoy the show -- and not come up with story line ideas. That's not my job! But there is an easy story line of Sarah pushing Chuck to become a spy because then they could be together. She can't admit her motives out right but it's obvious to us as we could see her being overly protective of our hero, which would also give way from some great material for Casey as he pumps out the jabs and jokes. Imagine the humor as Sarah slowly pushes her man into a world that isn't exactly an easy fit for him so she can have him as her boyfriend. Sarah addressed Chuck as 'Special Agent Carmichael' in that last scene in "Cougars".

I think Sarah want him to have a normal life because she is in love with him. She knows that being a spy is dangerous also you have to lie all the time and she knows that Chuck want better than that. Interesting idea tho

What is funny is that what is most dangerous for Chuck is to try to live a "normal" life because he would get a termination order placed on him from Beckman.

At this point, since Bryce gave Chuck the microchip to update himself and subsequently destroy the chip, isn't it impossible for Chuck to have a normal life? Unless there is a backup copy of the data elsewhere, it should be impossible to build another Intersect.

Also, eventually there is only so much info they can cram into Chuck's brain. Eventually the data will become out of date and Chuck won't need protection anymore. So probably within 10 years they can just let him live a normal life and not worry as any data extracted from Chuck at that point would be too old to pose any threat to the US.

Won't they just try and build another version of the beta intersect? Where did the data for that one come from? I imagine there's probably a backup somewhere. Would be kind of silly for the government to put all of it's eggs in one basket for the beta intersect so that when it was blown up there was no way to start over. I'm not sure if the writers are going to abandon that completely and Chuck can just be the permanent intersect or what. If they do that, at least the storyline for "Will Casey be able to pull the trigger" will be over.

I'm sure there's a backup of information somewhere in the agencies.

Truth is, Chuck will always be protected. Even if the information goes out of date, that information can be dangerous to the Government. Past missions, even though they're past, could be hazardous to the U.S' security because of what they entail. That's why the Government still has hidden files from decades ago to this day. Look at Presidents. Even though they're out of office, they'll have Secret Service looking after them and protecting them til the day they die.

Bryce told Chuck at the end of 2.03 that it was too late for Chuck to not want to be a spy. Obviously, Chuck is in denial since he told Sarah in the talk what he wanted in a normal life that they could never have.

Once he realizes that, its another barrier down in the list of reasons he gave Sarah as to why they had not future together.

Chuck and Sarah could be hooked up anytime, but that would destroy the romantic tension which seems to captivate viewers' interests the most...

There are spies that marry and have normal lives while off mission, such as Valerie Plame-Wilson, who took time off from field work to have twins, then returned for a short period before being promoted to Director of Operations. However, Sarah being Chuck's "boss" would make the show really boring, because then the only action scenes around would be involve Casey only...

Not to mention that with their minimum wage jobs at Buy More and Orange Orange, it's totally unbelievable that Chuck and Sarah could really settle down and afford a normal relationship. At least they ditched Sarah's Porsche. Don't know about the rest of you, but not even a spy gets paid that much. (I've been Director of Torchwood for years now and a Porsche is out of my budget, and I don't live in an expensive area either.) And Sarah's cover has always been minimum wage jobs.

Yeah it seemed like they were going to build another computer intersect. IMO, I would rather have intersects that can actually evade and run away from bombs.

Yeah but what if Chuck dates Jill for cover and doesn't let his friends and family know? So he'll be dating Jill for cover and Sarah for cover cover; all adding to the pressures of being in the spy world.

I hope the show does not use the excuse of Chuck hooking up with Jill because he wants a normal life. That would be lame-O! His break-up speech at the end of 2.03 about wanting a normal wife is fallacious at the core. What claim does Chuck have to normal. Chuck's current abnormality is a physical affliction called the Intersect. Sarah's path back to normalcy is a simple letter of resignation to the CIA. How does Chuck get back to normal: voodoo, exorcism, lobotomy, Vulcan mind erasure? Hee.

I got some great amnesia pills here at Torchwood 3. Help poor Chuck forget everything over the past few months...

Actually in 2.01 at the end when the Intersect blew up you could see all the agents with Graham removing their sunglasses as the new Intersect initialized - Graham put his on at the same time. So the agencies are definitely going to mobile with the next generation of Intersects.

Yeah but the General also was pleased when they retrieved the cypher, meaning they're going to make another intersect.

Yes and use it to create more mobile Intersects like Chuck, no? The computer Intersect is needed to act as a repository against which the mobile Intersects would update against.

I was under the impression from the tests that Chuck took at Stanford that people who can use the intersect like he does are rare. What if the men that were blown up with the beta intersect were all of the people that scored high enough to be considered for the project? If so it would take almost as much if not more time to find people and train them then to rebuild the intersect once more.

Hmm...maybe I'm not understanding the plot, but I got the same impression as above where the CIA and NSA wanted to make more Intersect agents like Chuck, except using real spies as the Intersect. However, wouldn't that multiply the problem they are already experiencing with Chuck, where they would have to protect these agents the same way? I mean, if one of these agents were captured, the spy could be tortured for information just the same way as Chuck. No one can be guaranteed to be immune to torture, so I don't see the advantage of having real spies with the Intersect over Chuck.

I could understand them having 2 Intersect facilities in undisclosed locations...that would make sense. But equipping spies with the Intersect? What if they decide to sell their information? Too risky...in fact, more riskier then Chuck, because they would know who to sell the Intersect data to...

I just watched that episode last night, and you are right. His professor said that Chuck's ability to retain subliminal information was amazing.

Yeah, and first they'll have to build the beta intersect. I think we've been told that they were working on it ever since the 1st one was blown up and they just got it up and running again in 2x01 when they added the cipher. So they probably won't have it running again for awhile.

Rare yes. Unique no. And since government agencies tag the most promising students they will have a greater supply of these type of people to pool from.

As for Interesect spies being out in the real world being risky, I disagree. Their Intersect status would be top secret plus they will be fully trained agents capable of making the necessary actions to protect themselves and their secrets.

They could also not be in the field but serve more of an analyst role.

Heres my theory. Remember the part where they say that they "must find out if Jill is involved" with her boss's biological weapon. My hope is that they way that they try and do that is by making Chuck get back together with her. Which makes sense seeing as how they have prior history. Then Chuck would say no more secrets because he wants Jill to tell him the truth about her boss/work. I think that Jill doesnt know about him being the intersect, sarah and casey being feds, and all that. For that reason, she gets jealous of Sarah (who was well known to be going out with Chuck). The only part I dont quite understand is how Chuck is going to explain it to everyone, especially Ellie and Awesome. I bet that this will be the writers chance to get some Ellie & Sarah scenes teaming up against Jill (although Sarah cant actually do anything since she will comprimise the mission). Any thoughts?

Good theory !

( and welcome to the forums )

That's going to be the weirdest part. How does Chuck explain the "break up" between he and Sarah to Ellie, Awesome, Morgan...etc? They just had a sudden falling out? Okay, but what happens when Jill leaves?

This has the potential to get really convoluted. I hope it doesn't though.

In think that he will say something along the line of Jill was his first love and at first he was overwhelmed and confused that she wanted him back. After spending some time with her he realized that there was no longer anything there and that Sarah is the one he loved. If I was Sarah I wouldn't buy a load like that but if it was for the mission then no harm no foul. If it looks like Sarah is alright with the line that Chuck feeds her then Ellie, Awesome, and Morgan will buy it too, although it does make Sarah look a little like a doormat.

It's just amazing how most of us switched ( including myself ) from :" OMG, the writers gonna destroy the show with the whole Jill arc , it's just not Chuck to hurt Sarah like that as the synopsis suggest "
to : " Chuck just going out with Jill for a mission and even if he have feelings for Jill he will realize that he don't want her and this will help the whole Charah thing "

Hope is a very strong factor in our live

No matter the excuse, I think Ellie will want to choke Chuck. And depending on how this plays out, I might want to see him choked.

I am still hoping that Chuck will only go out with Jill as part of the mission. I think that there might be the possibility that we will see Ellie actually get angry with Chuck. Devon will tell Chuck that he is un-awesome and Morgan will give Chuck a hard time too.

I wonder if Jill will give Chuck another explanation for dumping him for Bryce. If it's espionage related, then it's not something Chuck can tell Ellie, so Ellie will still want to choke Jill. Ellie will be so disappointed and stunned. She will be like, "Chuck, have you no pride?" Whether it's for cover or for real, Chuck's hooking up with Jill will have Ellie, Awesome and Morgan floored. You know how some relative makes you wonder sometimes. "OMG, I hope it's not genetic."