CHUCK
CHUCK VERSUS THE FAT LADY
11-17-2008 8:00PM

GREEN EYED MONSTER—JORDANA BREWSTER AND TONY HALE GUEST STAR—Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Jill (guest star Jordana Brewster) are enjoying the honeymoon stage of their rekindled relationship. The two lovebirds plan a weekend getaway but have to cancel at the last minute when Casey (Adam Baldwin) and Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) inform Chuck that he is needed for an immediate mission to find corrupt agents in the CIA. Jealousy erupts when Jill finally meets Sarah and learns that Chuck and his handler must pose as a couple. Chuck does his best to reassure Jill that his relationship with Sarah is purely business but only finds himself in more trouble when his mission does not go as planned. Meanwhile, corporate efficiency expert Emmett (guest star Tony Hale) is out to get Chuck and interrogates Morgan (Joshua Gomez) to get some dirt on his best friend. Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay and Julia Ling also star.

Show Cast: Zachary Levi, Yvonne Strahovski, Adam Baldwin, Joshua Gomez, Sarah Lancaster, Ryan McPartlin, Mark Christopher Lawrence, Vik Sahay, Scott Krinsky, Julia Ling

I thought it was vs The Rex. Is it changed or the spoilers were wrong ?

I would prefer vs the T-Rex. I could see certain individuals questionning the political correctness of this episode title.

The promo pics that showed up yesterday were said to be from 'The Fat Lady' episode...

In fact, i've never heard of this episode being called 'T-Rex'..or 'Rex'...

I don't believe the title is meant disrespectfully. I think it is a reference to the saying "it ain't over until the fat lady sings." For those who don't know what that means (as I'm not sure if the saying is used much anywhere than the US), operas were never over until the final aria which was usually sung by a larger sized woman. I'm not implying that the particular proverb itself is politically correct, just that it is a common saying.

I understand the saying...Used here in the UK too .

That was my first impression when i read the episode title...Opera, until the end etc..

Why would it mean anything else?

The official NBC press release:

GREEN EYED MONSTER—JORDANA BREWSTER AND TONY HALE GUEST STAR—Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Jill (guest star Jordana Brewster) are enjoying the honeymoon stage of their rekindled relationship. The two lovebirds plan a weekend getaway but have to cancel at the last minute when Casey (Adam Baldwin) and Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) inform Chuck that he is needed for an immediate mission to find corrupt agents in the CIA. Jealousy erupts when Jill finally meets Sarah and learns that Chuck and his handler must pose as a couple. Chuck does his best to reassure Jill that his relationship with Sarah is purely business but only finds himself in more trouble when his mission does not go as planned. Meanwhile, corporate efficiency expert Emmett (guest star Tony Hale) is out to get Chuck and interrogates Morgan (Joshua Gomez) to get some dirt on his best friend. Scott Krinsky, Vik Sahay and Julia Ling also star.

Show Cast: Zachary Levi, Yvonne Strahovski, Adam Baldwin, Joshua Gomez, Sarah Lancaster, Ryan McPartlin, Mark Christopher Lawrence, Vik Sahay, Scott Krinsky, Julia Ling

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How can Chuck be so insensitive to Sarah after he knows that:
1) Her father was imprisoned during her high school years.
2) Bryce abandoned her with no explanation.
3) Her high school life was terrible (She probably had no friends then).

Ok, I saw this earlier as well and I'm pretty pissed. Chuck can't be THAT forgiving that he would take Jill back. I'm really REALLY hoping that it's an act. But it's starting to seem that it's not.

One thing though, it says that Jill gets jealous when Sarah and Chuck have to pose as a couple. That must mean that Jill knows that they're all CIA/NSA which in turn means that she must be CIA or something clandestine like that. So her going out with Chuck means that she doesn't see a problem with asset/agent relations. Chuck and Jill could be a good thing in a sense that maybe Sarah sees that such a relationship could work.

Ok, it's going to be an agonizing 3 weeks!

So, it's Jill that get jealous. What on earth could they be thinking?

Wow. I didnt think they would get back together. Im pretty upset with that, but maybe something in the actual episode will justify it. Still, seems kinda cruel to Sarah.

Okay after reading this, the Chuckster is going to be loosing some fans.

1) Jill knows about Chuck and the Intersect. - National Security Anyone, his own sister cannot know but Jill can. Please
2) Chuck and Jill planning a weekend getaway- Seriously. She did Dump him right.
3) Chuck plainly telling Jill that his relationship with Sarah is only business. - Yeah on the surface but hell that boy was/in love with her. - Stupid Chuck
4) Jill gets Jealous of Sarah - Sarah should kick her ass.

This episode is only going to make the fans sour on our boy Chuck because they set Sarah up to be emotionally fragile and he is treating her like he never had feelings for her. Kick her to the curb so to speak. Please grow up Chuck.

As a Chuck fan this episode description sucks.

Tell me how treating Sarah like crap is going to make them stronger. I feel what they are trying to do is drive a huge wedge between these two.

Oh Well.

I agree. This is not what i was expecting from Chuck.

The synopsis for the episode makes it seem like Charah is kaput. Could the title be hinting that it's not over until the fat lady sings. Or maybe Team Chuck goes on a mission in an opera house. Did they film at the Disney Center?

I hope the description is just trying to decieve us, like the bryce proposing one kinda did.
I think chuck would be stupid to get back together with jill if it's not mission related, for one she dumped him just after he had been expelled(probablly worst moment of his life) and then hooked up with bryce.
I hope sarah gets to kick her ass to be honest

I am confused though. Why does Jill know, and who really cares if Jill is jealous does it add anything to the story. Also why make Chuck such a jerk.

I don't get this at all.

Also Chuck is never going on vaction ever. Ha Ha.

Also unless Chuck and Sarah get so mad at each other they just attack each other, this episode is going to really suck.

I guess Chuck's Nemisis is Bryce and Sarah's is Jill.

Yeah this doesnt make much sense. Things should be alot clearer after we see episode 6 though.

The only way I can contemplate Chuck and Jill getting back together being palatable is if Sarah encourages Chuck to do so. This may be her way of reciprocating back to Chuck because of the TALK. Seeing the two of them together, how well they fit with one another, and how happy Chuck is may cause Sarah to do her act of selflessness.


If that press release is accurate Chuck dating Jill and telling Jill that his relationship with Sarah is strictly business there are going to be a lot of pissed fans!

Yeah but I am not going to hold out any hope. Chuck has confidence when he is with Sarah but he has been pinning for Jill ever sense they broke up. Sarah never confessed her feelings to Chuck so it is perrogative to date Jill.

What aggravates me is not that I don't want Chuck to be happy and if dating Jill is making him happy. It is how the show runners are setting it up. It is like we are going backwards with the story.

Just speculation but after this crap Chuck is pulling and once Jill leaves Sarah is going to be so distant to Chuck. You think 1X11 was distant. I have a feeling that by 2X09 these two are going to be farther apart. The trust she has in Chuck will be shattered in a million pieces.

Then no more Chara for a while. She will be his handler and he will be her asset.

Back to square zero so to speak.

Of course this is just speculation but I have seen enough TV shows to know that is how it goes.

Something is telling me that the network is behind this. Why did they tease the episode in two weeks instead of this one. Why in all of the spoilers that we've seen, was there never a mention of Chuck and Jill getting back together? Is this a desparate ratings ploy?

I hope you're right Bill. I don't want to see Sarah get hurt or the network to make Chuck look like a jerk. I would rather see them keeping their feelings secret than hurting each other like this. Maybe 2x06 will help us understand.

Okay why would this generate ratings. I don't give a flying hoot about Jill. Chuck is a very likable character. Why build up his character and make him grow so much and turn him into a guy with no self respect.

I love the show Chuck but I am not holding my breath on this ending good.

This could hurt the ratings not increase them.

I'm hoping this is the case. I'm hoping that Sarah sees that Chuck is being torn between her and Jill and does something to force Chuck into Jill's arms. Or it's an act (I'm going to keep holding onto this one with dear life until I see the show).

One thing that makes me hopeful is that for episode 206, it says that Chuck flashes on Jill's boss. Does that mean that they will also be suspicious of Jill as well?

Kinda cruel? Sarah never had a life. She was raised by her conman father, moving from city to city without any chance of forming long lasting friendships with anyone. Then, her father is taken away by Director Graham at a very sensitive time in her life: high school. Plus those annoying spoiled teenage brats at her high school just kept picking on her for no reason, without any concern as to how much they were hurting her. Finally, when she thinks she has her life together, Bryce just runs off on her with no explanation, and perpetrates events that make him look like a rogue agent.

I thought that Chuck was written to be smarter and mature enough to sense these things. Obviously, he needs a good beating to knock some sense into him. Hopefully Awesome and Ellie will do something...

I think sarah will be suspicous about jill and if those are voiced to chuck he may defend her

Kick Jill's ass? I hope she kicks Chuck's ass...

This would help the ratings because of the extra romantic drama, but I would hope that the episode would make it so that Chuck is only seeing Jill as a friend, because there is a certain lack of moral ground for Chuck to just abandon Sarah given everything we know of her background, and I would prefer for once that TV teach some decent morals for a change. I'm not expecting conservative Christian values (like no sex before marriage), but at least treat the person who has been saving your life with respect and decency.

I realize Chuck told Sarah they could never be together, but he knows from Bryce that Sarah has feelings for him. Plus, from the vs the Cougars episode, he knows Sarah has suffered immensely throughout her life. So a mature person should be able to see this and treat Sarah with a little more compassion. I thought the show was making Chuck be that person, especially the way he was protecting Sarah at her reunion, but if Chuck were to just go back to Jill, then not only is he a treacherous coward, but a pathetic one with no self-respect at that. I realize nobody's perfect, but it really sets a bad example for the viewership.

Yeah but If I was Sarah I would be like to late, go back to Jill.

She needs to go on a vacation to LA or DC somewhere away from Chuck. Let Casey babysit and get dressed up head into a bar and hook up with someone.

This job she has right now sucks big time. She needs some fun in her life.

The way the promo is written as well as the photos with them it does not look like they are just friends. So looks like they took the moral low ground and destroy the character Chuck in the process.

Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Jill (guest star Jordana Brewster) are enjoying the honeymoon stage of their rekindled relationship. The two lovebirds plan a weekend getaway but have to cancel at the last minute when Casey (Adam Baldwin) and Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) inform Chuck that he is needed for an immediate mission to find corrupt agents in the CIA.

Honeymoon stage and lovebirds.

^Yeah but how many times have they tried to fool us only to turn the story a differnt way?

I think they've fooled us a different way many times, but this time, it's exactly how we see it.

My hopes right there. If Chuck hook up with Jill for real he will disappoint many fans. I know many of us like Chuck as a person, a honest caring guy, and even if he get blinded by his emotions from the past, he should realize what he is doing. Noone can tell me that he doesn't know Sarah's feelings, even when they had the TALK he saw her almost crying. Looking for his own happiness while step on other is just not Chuck's like . If he's really pursuing his happiness with Jill it's just shows the writers effort to keep the tension up, while they destroying Chuck's image in our eyes. Bad move, bad decision.

exactly the promo's for 'chuck vs the break up' were mainly focused on sarah and bryce, him proposing and them kissing etc. They may be doing to same with the arc leading us one way then going the other.
If you change just one word in that it would become a diffrent story
"Chuck does his best to reassure Jill that his relationship with Sarah is purely business"
Chuck does his best to convince Jill that his relationship with Sarah is purely business <-- would lead us to think a diffrent out come.
It may be wishful thinking but I hope Chuck and Jill arn't a real couple, I think he may need to get close to her for a mission like in 'chuck vs the seduction'.

I would hope you're right, but


is hard to imagine in other way but for Jill and chuck being a real couple

true fan guess we'll just have to wait and see how the Jil arc goes.
I don't think the writers would make us think that chuck is a bad guy, it is a light hearted show and think they would lose someviewers if not done propperly.

Another thing, it's just so impossible to believe that Chuck and Jill hook up that fast after everything happened between Sarah and Chuck in the last episodes. He should have some doubts at least, he should think for a bit , decide if he wants Jill or wait if maybe something happens with Sarah. But jumping back in the relationship with Jill so fast is absolutely unbelievable.

Maybe Chuck was given orders to get close to Jill because they suspect she is corrupt in some way. So Chuck has to tell Jill that his relationship with Sarah is just a cover.

Chuck (Zachary Levi) and Jill (guest star Jordana Brewster) are enjoying the honeymoon stage of their rekindled relationship.
I don't think Chuck is that big of a spy yet to fake this. Honeymoon stage relationship means sex for me ( beside many other things of course ).

Yeah that would be good. But I still get the feeling that it is as written.

Yeah! There you go, that's probably why Yvonne said that her Sarah character should get her own love-interest (not Chuck) to hook-up and have a little fun. And I thought they were testing the waters for a spin-off show with her starring in it. As far as I can tell from reading some of you posters here Sarah "the CIA Agent" is simply a basket case who fragile emotional state has her constantly thinking of how mean the girls were to her in high school, auh poor little thing ?. remember FOLKS red is for sarcasm. In another thread I had previously stated that I thought 95 % didn't get (Bryce/Jill/Charles Carmichael) characters, clearly I was wrong, and to add to that your preception how little self-esteem Sarah apparaently has for herself, and our hero Chuck is the cruel and insensitive "jerk" for even considering talking to someone who he spent most of his adult life with Reading this forum sometimes provides more comedy than the show, and in these difficult ratings times I really appreciate it. I realize folks here are just post raw emotions without really thinking about the show, but it's really funny to read.
Finally, I really like the latest NBC release for upcoming Epiosdes... Sorry, I don't watch Arrested Development... I had no idea that Tony Hale had Green Eyes and he played some kind of scary character?

Geez u guys should relax a bit, lol, i thought this was supposed to be a comedy, not a soap opera. If u are pissed, well stop watching and move on. but plz, i think the writers know what they are doing, so chill and enjoy the show

How many CIA Agents do you know cry because their fake boyfriend assignment tells them that they do not have a future together. Also last week they showed she had trust and daddy issues. She might be able to kick peoples ass but she is still compromised in every sense of the word.

and who broke up with him and hooked up with his best friend because Chuck got "fired" from the university..and didn't even give him a chance to explain or something. I don't buy this

Yeah I thought that about Gilmore Girls too. That show was well written and really funny. They foreshadowed the Laura and Luke getting married. But instead she sleeps with her baby's daddy and get married then divorced. And that lame ass ending.

Show runners create strong characters so we can relate. You don't find it cruel that you would set something up like Sarah and Chuck, make it so they are getting close. Then his ex comes back. But he has to crawl back to her forgetting all the crappy things she did. He also forgets about the feelings he has for Sarah. It sounds like another ploy to drive a huge wedge between the Hero and the Heroine.

If Chuck acts Out of Character from what we know of him then the viewing audience won't buy it.

They usually don't post fake show synopsis. I had a feeling Chuck wasn't going to handle this right. Sarah would be well justified to take on another love interest after Jill left. It's kind of upsetting that Chuck could be this stupid, i'll wait to see how this is written, but it doesn't look good.

People just need to take a deep breath. Just watch the episodes then criticize afterwards. People are jumping to conclusions. It is all speculation at this point (unless you've read spoilers). It's unclear whether Jill knows Chuck (along with Sarah and Casey) works for the CIA. For all we know, they could be just using a cover.

Lets just watch the episodes before we jump to conclusions and calling Chuck a coward and people complaining about the show. If you guys don't like what you see after the arc, then don't watch. I bet some people who are complaining right now will like the episodes, even if its not their most desired outcome.

Since I've read parts of the script for episode 7 and 8, just stick with it until at least the end of the arc.

Now if you said "real" boyfriend instead of fake boyfriend, I would have answered differently.

Just remember... Chuck never said that. EVER ! Chuck never said anything bad about Jill so far in the entire series. So your conclusions are based on speculation and hearsay.

You're right on this one, i apologize. Sometimes the episodes and Fanfiction get mixed in my head. Maybe this is one of the sign for being a Chuckaholic ?

Who's being critical, I'm talking hysterically funny here, go ahead chime in, love to here from 'someone who has read spoilers' . NBC has released some details on the episodes, thats what started some of the speculations. And, yes, your abosolutely right about people's probable reaction even if 95 % believe it's not their most desired outcome. Maybe some might... dare I say ... gain a new appreciation of the show and some of the characters, NOT A CHANCE, that would be too much to ask for.

I'll definetly wait until i see the whole Jill arc.
We all make hasty decisions in the moment of anger/surprise, see a bit differently after the rush of emotions cooling down.
I just hope the whole Jill arc will fit in the World of Chuck and we wont see any uncharacteristic moments. In this case, i'll probably gain new appreciation for the show.