CHUCK
CHUCK VERSUS THE GRAVITRON
11-24-2008 8:00PM

BETRAY ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME—JORDANA BREWSTER GUEST STARS --Chuck (Zachary Levi), Sarah (Yvonne Strahovski) and Casey (Adam Baldwin) make a shocking discovery about Jill (guest star Jordana Brewster). In the wake of his disbelief, Chuck is asked to find an agent called Leader and he willingly agrees. Meanwhile, Captain Awesome’s (Ryan McPartlin) parents are coming for Thanksgiving and Ellie (Sarah Lancaster) is determined to have the perfect Thanksgiving dinner. To make sure everything goes smoothly, she tells Morgan (Joshua Gomez) that he cannot come to dinner this year. Without any holiday plans to fall back on, Morgan is recruited by Big Mike (Mark Christopher Lawrence) to stand guard at the Buy More with Lester (Vik Sahay) and Jeff (Scott Krinsky). Julia Ling also stars.

Show Cast: Zachary Levi, Yvonne Strahovski, Adam Baldwin, Joshua Gomez, Sarah Lancaster, Ryan McPartlin, Mark Christopher Lawrence, Vik Sahay, Scott Krinsky, Julia Ling

The last episode in the Jill arc... should be exciting.

^ just thinking the same thing

Indeed, I'm most curious to see what state the Chuck/Sarah relationship is in.

What do you folks think?

I vote for it being better.

Are saying you think it will be better or you hope, lol? I don't know. I'm so confused. Which is exactly where I think they want us.

Hope and believe!

I think that's all we can do at this point is hope. The Jill arc is going to be cataclysmic, for better or for worse. I cannot think of a better way for JS to torture us all, on top of the 2 week wait for 2x06.

interesting title ...i'm guessing it might have something to do with a robot or a game???...dunno

It's a carnival ride.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitron

I've ridden those, makes you really dizzy...

I'm guessing Chuck and company are going to a carnival.

thanks for clearing that up...i wonder how that plays into the episode...can you imagine casey at a carnival or amusement park... ...all the kiddies running around...it will prob bug the hell out of him...he might even puke without the ride itself... ...and maybe we'll see chuck and sarah on a ferris wheel or a teacup ride professing their love (with a lot of eye gazing)...can't blame a girl for imagining comedic relief and romance

They are probably there for a mission so I don't see a ferris wheel ride happening, but I like your way of thinking. That would be an excellent slam dunk to the Jill arc.

I posted this on the 'Chuck Season 2' thread but I'll post it here also...


Another interesting tidbit regarding NBC's November sweeps

http://nbcumv.com/release_detail.nbc/enter...hesnovembe.html

Thanksgiving-themed episodes (all times ET) of "Deal or No Deal" (8-9 p.m.) begin on Friday, November 21 followed by "Chuck" (8-9 p.m.) and "My Own Worst Enemy" (10 -11 p.m.) on Monday, November 24, and "The Biggest Loser" (8-10 p.m.) on Tuesday, November 25. A new special with Rosie O'Donnell, "Rosie Live" (9-10 p.m.), will air on Wednesday, November 26 followed by part-two of the special Thanksgiving-themed "Deal or No Deal" (10-11 p.m.). The traditional holiday favorites "Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade" (9 a.m.-12 noon) and "The National Dog Show Presented by Purina" (12 noon-2 p.m.) kick off Thanksgiving morning on Thursday, November 27.


So it looks like the last episode of the Jill arc has a Thanksgiving theme to it.

So people go to the carnival on Thanksgiving or Black Friday? I thought Thanksgiving US families stayed at home, and on Black Friday get up early to shop, like in vs the Nemesis.

I am thinking Friends...Ross & Rachel...First Chuck loves Sarah...and she acts like she is not interested...then Sarah loves Chuck...and he acts like he is not interested...then it flips back the other way...they will get together...they will break up...it is great!

Jill and Bryce...they will end up being the bad guys in the end...

^^ Nice name.

Jill and Bryce are the "villains" as far as the Chuck-Sarah dynamic goes...

New promotional pictures released by NBC for this episode

http://nbcumv.com/entertainment/program_ph...amp;captions=on

The new pictures are on the first two pages, whici also includes pics from 2.09 (where we meet Awesome's parents). You can also check Spoilertv to see a larger.


But the pictures are interesting. We see what I'm guessing is the bad guy of the episode. And more pictures of Chuck and Jill. If anyone knows how to make the pictures larger, that will be appreciated.

Some Jill pictures look like she has the lie detector used on her.

Yea i wonder what thats all about.

Maybe it's just me projecting, but the solo shot of Sarah (3rd pic in the 2x08 set on SpoilerTV) sure looks like a moment that she's spied Chuck and Jill having an intimate moment. Not sure if it's the facial expression, the far away stare, the slack arms or the beginning of tears, but... something.

Or maybe I'm just nuckin futz.

You know what I'm finding the hardest thing to deal with......THE WAITING!!!! NBC keeps strategically releasing things so one minute we are somewhat calm about Jill, then the next minute they show something that gets our panties in a bunch. I want to see all 3 episodes NOW!!!! I can deal with whatever happens but patience has never been one of my strong suits.

.....taking deep breaths......thinking happy thoughts.......

MariosMom, at least we're in this together. We can do it! It's just 10 more days.

I just really wish a "catfight" between Jill and Sarah, Sarah as his cover/real gf, i wanna see what Chuck reaction will be, and most importantly, what Casey gonna do, or better, how much he will enjoy the moment lol

I'd be much happier if I knew what was going to happen. After seeing some pics, I feel badly for Sarah. She clearly loves the guy but has to keep those emotions in check. And she's always so noble about it when Chuck goes on a tangent (Lou, Jill). The character of Sarah is a far better person than I am. I'd be out there slashing the Nerd Herder tires rather than smiling and accepting it for what it is.

I feel badly for Sarah also. Much as Chuck has all these feelings towards her inside him just bursting to get out, at least he's able to be honest about it....Sarah is very torn between her heart and her sense of responsibility, and though Chuck now knows she has feelings for him, she has done very little to express it to him verbally (only thing I can think of that was verbal was her suggestion to him that he could have the life he wanted, with whomever he wanted). I guess I can't fault Chuck too much for momentarily having his head turned by another woman, because he is rejected time and again by Sarah, but when push comes to shove I think he will always realize that Sarah is already in his heart and there can be no substitutions.

SpoilerTV has additional pictures up with better resolution. There's one pic that caught my eye and could point towards what happens in the episode. Its the pic where Chuck is lying down. I'd post the link, but I think thats illegal on this board

Yeah I wonder what's going on there. Going to be a long while until we find out.

I know that picture, and that picture is speaking a hundred words. So yes, it's better not to link it, it's a spoiler for sure

That picture could mean any dozen number of things. All we can do is guess and speculate, like always.

I'm thinking that this is a case of gender difference. You see Sarah as the victim? I see her as the problem. One word from Sarah and they are together.

That picture on the spoilertv fits perfectly in one of the popular theory i read on this board, and thats why i said it would be a spoiler
Of course it still could be something entirely different

It very well may be gender difference. I agree with you in part because with Lou, Chuck could be conceived as the victim since Sarah told him that she didn't have feelings for him. But with Jill, Chuck "broke up" with Sarah.

Realistically, I see Sarah as a victim of her own life. Joined the CIA at 17 or 18. Never really had a deep, meaningful relationship with a man. Hooking up with Bryce seemed to be more lust and convenience. Now she finds a guy she truly loves and does not know how to have a relationship with him and feels she can't have a relationship with him.

It’s funny. There is definitely a gender difference in how we look at Sarah.

The guys often don’t like her very much. The Sarah in Crown Vic was pretty cruel. I also think that it’s inexcusable how she treated Chuck in Seduction. When someone you love comes to your room bearing a rose and a bottle of wine only to find your ex there, a normal woman wouldn’t let him leave without telling him that he didn’t have anything to worry about. One strategic smile during the mission prep could have soothed Chuck’s jealousies about what she was doing with Bryce (and would have made the mission more successful).

The gals seem to be willing to give Sarah a lot more benefit of the doubt.

They have made Sarah a lot more likable in the last few episodes. Maybe that's to crank up the Jill angst.

As a female, I do have to admit that at times I think gender has something to do with how we view the characters, but not always. Some weeks I'm very sympathetic to Sarah, but more often (especially those instances you mentioned), I am more sympathetic to Chuck. The one thing Sarah has done that bothered me the most was the rose/Bryce moment. To me, it's inexcusable that Sarah just let Chuck go and didn't say anything to him to indicate that he was mistaken as to why she and Bryce were together...because he was extremely hurt, and she obviously had to know that. Perhaps, though, that was by design....in Sarah's mind, although we know she doesn't want to hurt Chuck (from her commentary to Lou last season), she might believe it better to let Chuck think there is more going on between her and Bryce than there is, to create distance between them. She let Bryce know that she and he would not be crossing the line, and would keep it strictly business....but she never offered any suggestion of that change in her heart to Chuck. Emotionally close is not Sarah's comfort zone...and I think that is why I cut her some slack, her instinctive response to these feelings she's developing is to try and push it away. I expect that over the course of this series there will be a lot of push/pull....with Chuck and Sarah usually on a different page, when one of them is vulnerable to the feelings, the other will be in the "do what's right for the other" mindframe.

Just wanted to add....much as I hurt for Chuck over the rose/Bryce moment....there was a moment that made me hurt for Sarah also, and I don't think Chuck even had any indication how much it hurt her. When he was breaking it off with her, his comment that she would never be "normal". To me...Sarah looked like that stung her....and after seeing her pre-CIA/high school life, I would guess that normal is something Sarah perhaps on some level wishes for but just doesn't believe she can have.

Good points. IMO, there is one thing that TPTB has tried to change. Up until Breakup, it was obvious that Sarah controlled how much of a relationship she would allow. Now, they are trying to portray it as if Chuck is the one who is resistant. I’m pretty sure I don’t buy that. I’m still thinking that if Sarah said “Let’s make it work.” Chuck wouldn’t take too much convincing.

I’m thinking that the switch is intentional with the Jill arc. We have spent all this time feeling sorry for Chuck. He is in love with this woman that he can’t have and has to constantly watch her with other men. Now, we’re going to feel sorry for Sarah for exactly the same reasons.

I just hope we don't have to feel sorry for Sarah for a season and half(as we felt sorry for Chuck almost as long) . I hope the writers will let the romance run it's course and won't put any more obstacle in the way of Charah

Unfortunately, I'm sure we'll see plenty more obstacles. I'm actually just hoping that by the end of the Jill arc there is at least some forward progress for Chuck and Sarah. I will be extremely disappointed if we find that they more or less have to start over after Jill.

You know honestly i wouldn't mind if their relationship would advance very slowly even through 2-3 more seasons. All the little Charah moments fill me with beautiful positive emotions. But when their relationship advance fast ( or pretty much fast ) but suddenly stop, or going backwards it makes me feel i am robbed. I can live with a constant longing for happy end when i see they're learning about each other, start to respect each other more and more because it will leaves me with hope. But when they get in a situation which leave one or both of them hurt, it hurt me too.
If the writers put an obstacle in their way just to overcome it and come out stronger, it keep my hopes up, keep me happy, but if the obstacle there for the reason just to keep them apart longer, it makes me angry.

I agree, and that's probably the view of many.

Exactly....I think it will flip-flop a lot for the foreseeable future, as far as which of them comes off as sympathetic and which is holding up the obstacles to their relationship. For me, I can't see Sarah being the bigger obstacle though, as Chuck has pined for her for so long...as you said, even with him wanting to keep her safe, I don't think he could continually tell her no and keep her at arms length, as she has done with him. If she opened up to him and was straightforward about her feelings, he would fold like a cheap suit. lol

I despise triangle storylines, but even so I believe the Bryce storyline has been necessary. We had to see Sarah last season, torn between the two men, to fully understand the significance this season when she made a clear choice by drawing a "strictly business" line with Bryce. She is clearly no longer a woman who is unsure where her heart lies....her problem now is the struggle with the idea of a forbidden relationship. If they handle the Jill arc much the same way as Bryce was handled....that we need to see Chuck put his past relationship in perspective the same way Sarah has, then I'm not too bothered by it. So far the writers have been building Chuck/Sarah's relationship the right way, and I'm hopeful that they aren't going to take a side trek with it now and make it hard for some viewers to root for them, and continue caring. Even if something happens we don't like a lot at one moment, it could very well be important for the long term development. I like to think they are methodically putting the pieces in place so that when Chuck and Sarah are finally together they will be in a position to know that it really was what they wanted. Even if they still have a lot of obstacles to overcome (which they will, the "forbidden" aspect of their relationship will still be there), at least they will both know it is worth it.

But in the past they have made Sarah unlikeable. I mean, she has been cold to our hero who has been nothing but noble and unconditionally loves her. Do they now make Chuck unlikeable? That would seem very dangerous territory to me.

I share that concern, but I do think the writers are going to find a way to keep up Chuck's "good guy" image through this. They have to, or they run a substantial risk of alienating a good portion of fans. I do think Sarah will probably feel some pain during this arc, but I think somehow Chuck is going to be totally oblivious....perhaps Sarah will make him think that she doesn't care, and that he should pursue Jill? Sarah is the suffer in silence type, I could see her encouraging Chuck to be happy, and showing her real feelings only once she was alone. They certainly can't write Chuck as non-caring towards Sarah's feelings, as that wouldn't be in his character...he's shown over and over that he's sensitive to her feelings, what she likes and doesn't...it wouldn't make sense if suddenly his Sarah-radar wasn't working. lol.

It would be out of character for Chuck to ignore Sarah's emotions, especially since vs the Cougars, where he learnt what a miserable childhood Sarah had, plus that her father had been imprisoned. Hopefully the writers will keep Chuck as the nice guy and have him be sensitive to Sarah's feelings when around Jill. Otherwise, for all intensive purposes, Chuck should be beaten for being exceptionally callous and cruel to Sarah.

Plus it still would not make sense for Chuck to just abandon Sarah for Jill who dumped him at the lowest point of his life, without giving Chuck a chance to explain that Bryce lied about him cheating. Plus, to have intercourse with Bryce who accused Chuck of cheating would normally make anyone, especially Chuck, wary of being around her.

Captain, u might be rite, but also, let's face it, Chuck is weak. We know that he break up with Sarah cause he knows that it is probably better for her, he doesn't want her to get hurt cause she has feelings for him, now Jill comes back, he might drag his feet at first, but since he is weak, he will fall for her again, cause she knows how to push his buttons, i mean they dated for years. If Sarah will get pissed about this, well, she has to understand that she created the whole mess, not Chuck. She can't pretend that Chuck will wait for her until the end of the world. I'm sorry if i'm bashing on Sarah, believe me, i want Chuck & Sarah to hook up for good, but probably, after this arc, we will know if Sarah is considering do the big step, and most importantly, open up her secrets and fears to Chuck, cause so far most of the talking is done by Chuck, we rarely hear anything from her, we just see he feelings in the open, but words are way more powerful, especially with Chuck.

That picture we keep seeing of them togethor mean's something it's more then just a picture to them.They have shown it nearly every episode so it has significance.I just wonder what it is?

I'm not sure that I would consider Chuck weak. Maybe at the beginning of the show last season, but after all that he has been through, not now. As for Jill, she may have known what buttons to push when they were together, but after 6 years, she dropping him and shacking up with his best friend at college, getting the intersect and the time spent with Sarah, I think the buttons may have changed. I can understand how things may get hot between him and Jill at first, especially if he is ordered to get close to her as part of the mission. At first it will be mission related only, then he gets curious about why she dumped him in the first place, and then his ego kicks in. Here is the woman who dumped him all that time ago and now it appears that she wants to get back together. But I think that sooner than later reality will set in and Chuck will realize that the one he wants is Sarah. Also I don't think that Jill and him will go to bed together, although Jill will try to get him there.

I think the love scene is likely between Chuck and Sarah.I just have a gut feeling it will be them because like some have said a big moment of passion between the 2.But you know the cast won't say anything about it

I would be stunned if there is a love scene between Chuck and Sarah. Absolutely floored. I'm thinking it might be a flashback of Chuck and Jill in Stanford.

Thats an interesting idea. I never thought of that, but it seems very possible.

I think it's going to be a flashback of Chuck and Jill from college also. I would be thrilled if it were Chuck and Sarah, but I don't see the writers giving us that just yet....I think we may get some close calls this season, but they will always stop short of actually taking Chuck/Sarah that far. They can use it as a flashback to show the connection Chuck and Jill once shared though, and how much she meant to him then. I actually hope that is what they do, because if that's the case, I feel even more certain Chuck won't sleep with Jill during this little reunion....rather, they will reinforce sometime during this arc that Chuck now wants Sarah and has moved on from his past.