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I've only missed one episode this season and I can't figure out what Phil did that made the blue team hate him so much. He seems like a nice guy to me? What did I miss?

Agreed. I still like the show, but the blue team pettiness is pretty lame. What Phil did does not warrant this at all...

You know, I've watched it every night, and couldn't really tell you what happened. I think that Vicki just decided she didn't like him and Brady and Heba are her little puppets and they've all ganged up on him. One comment Brady made was that Phil "talked too much". I'm sick of it, myself!

some one else was asking, what exactly did he do? I've watched it every week, but couldn't tell you what set it off.

Heba & Phil never got along. Heba won a challenge and got to divide up the teams - she said she wouldn't split anyone, then split Amy & Phil, sending Phil to the other team. Brady told Heba that Phil approached him on the basketball court and said that Amy really needed to stay and they should get rid of Heba - I think it was a boldfaced lie and wouldn't trust a word that Brady or Vicky said - they're playing a dirty nasty game and don't deserve to be on the show. Heba & Ed are right behind them. I LOVE it that Bob has called Vicky out for what she is.

I'd like to know too. The only clue I got was one episode where Brady confided with Heba that Phil was talking crap about her. However, adults will gossip but not at detriment of embarrassing themselves like Vicky and gang did tonight. Maybe they will get booted? Would add for some deep drama. Vicky reminds me of one of those girls on the movie Carrie who made fun of Carrie. Old movie. You Might be too young to remember.

Phil told Brady that he thought Heba had too much power and the Ball-less wonder boy ran right back to Heba and told her.

Nice, sure Heba what nerve does she have to tell Philip to stop playing the victim, when her and her blue buddies are playing the "victim" they are horrible and dont deserve this show.

Phil DID admit he said something about getting Heba's hubby off the show and Heba did get all offended. That is what caused the rift. But?!? So what? It IS a game. It wasn't anything personal. Phil was playing the game and he was probably annoyed about getting split.....
Minor BS. Nothing to hold that kind of a grudge on.

Phil did not do anything as far I can see. I think it is pathetic how Heba, Brady and Vicky act. They seem to be sad and trashy people.

Phil did not bow down to Heba's bossiness in one episode. She wanted to be the one that ate some food and then made the decisions to keep or split up the teams. He didn't like giving her that power and ate a peanut butter cup. She had it in for him from that moment on. No one had elected her their leader, but she acted as if he had committed mutiny.

After that, he did say something to Vicky's husband about being in league together to vote off Heba. He was not nasty. He didn't say anything rude. He spoke in terms of game play. Brady immediately went and told Heba, except that he embellished the tale quite a bit...stoking her already bad attitude.

I will be SO VERY HAPPY when she and her evil crew get voted off.

I don't recall Phil saying anything to Brady on a basketball court......i just think that Brady had to come up with something to get Heba all worked up. Their little alliance is all going to back fire in the end anyways! But Heba, Vicky, and Brady are by far the lowest people I have seen on this show since it started. I hope every single one of them gets voted off in the weeks to come and then aren't the biggest losers at the finale either b/c they really don't deserve anything! I hope they watch this whole season when they get home and see what cold-heart people they are and are embarrassed for themselves for the way they have acted!

All Phil did was eat some Resses peanut butter cups, and when Heba asked him if he was eating anything, his mouth was too full to answer w/o making it obvious to the other players, so he remained silent. Heba took that to mean he was personally attacking her by not answering, and from that moment on she decided he was her #1 enemy. Vicki just followed Heba's lead, however she is 10 times worse than Heba has ever been.

I was really glad that Amy did what she felt was right, regardless of what the 3 bullies tried to force her into. However, I seriously fear for her life now. I honestly think that Vicky is truly evil and will do WHATEVER it takes to get rid of Amy now. Heba and Ed are not the nicest people I've ever seen, but I think they at least know where to draw the line - Vicky does not. Even Ed said she was crazy in the preview for next week. What does that tell you??? Her own friend thinks she's psycho!! I really hope someone is looking out for Amy's well being, and I don't mean other contestants on the show. NBC or the trainers seriously might need to step in.

If you remember Vicky saying "one of us will be the biggest loser winner at home and the biggest loser at the finale" you will understand that Phil did nothing. It is all game play. They have taken what my husband and I use to call our "date night" and turned it into oh well if we miss it we miss it. Of course we don't but still. Notice Brady and Vicky told Heba what Phil supposedly said but we have yet to hear it from Phil. I was so glad to see Brady go home! Way to go Amy, you made your momma proud tonight.

I have never posted before but I ran to my computer to see what everyone was saying about Vicky, Brady, Heba and Ed. I was literally cheering Amy on when she voted Brady off! She finally figured out that her "team" would have no problem voting her off in a (pardon the pun) skinny minute as soon as they had no black team players left. Go Amy! Don't you let those classless, evil blue team players get you down. I think NBC or the trainers need to step in to stop the bullying and threatening that is going on. It may be good for ratings but Vicky and Heba need to be accountable for their behavior. I can't believe that Vicky is a professional anesthetist. I bet she can't treat people like that in the real world. I'm sure glad I'm not one of her patients! I'd hate to think what she'd do to me if I ticked her off right before surgery! yikes.

I don't understand why they don't like Phil either. The only thing I can figure out that Vicky calls the shots. Like Bob said in so many words they are like puppets.
Thank goodness for tapping because no one on the blue team am I rudding for. Tonight I start fast forwarding at the weigh in when the blue team was on. I didn't want to hear them talking. I'm hoping Vickie will be off next wk. & the rest of the blue right after her.

I don't post either, but also ran to see what everyone was saying about the evil four. Wondered if I was the only one who prayed each week that Vicky/Heba/Brady would get voted off. And tonight they changed the rules on the one person who gets to come back. Every other session it has been the biggest weight loss who won that right. Was this a set up to get Ed back? Since day one they've ganged up on one person at a time. I think they ganged up on Phil because he was a real threat to all of them. I've never seen 4 such nasty vindictive people and was praying that Amy would listen to her Mom and realize that she'd be next in line if she just kept going along with them. Way to go Amy, you won my respect, too bad they wouldn't let you train with the black team, 'cause you KNOW Vicky is going to make your life miserable. Watching Vicky and Brady smirking at the table made me sick...when Amy announced her vote I Jumped up and shouted out loud YES!!! Honestly,when Vicky talks, I change the channel...hard to believe she's a professional ANYTHING! This show has turned into a sleazy soap opera, and I'm tempted to stop watching, after following it for the past 4 seasons. This used to be a good, inspiring show. Sure hope NBC looks deeper into personalities and character (or lack of) for future shows. Otherwise this show will not last another season.

During the "temptation" challenge, Phil was being "sneaky" and did not tell Heba that he was eating in the dark. He tried to take the power from her, he said that he didn't trust her having all the power to make the decision on the make-up of the teams. When she asked him if he was eating he said nothing and Amy P lied for him as well. In Heba's mind she was doing the right thing. She offered to "bite the donut (I mean bullet) and eat the food so she would gain control and keep the teams the same. When the lights were back on and she realized that Phil had eaten something and didn't tell her (his own teammate) I can understand why she would have gotten upset. He was being sneaky. However, Heba's reaction to it all was ludicrous. Amy C also ate something, so what did Heba do? She broke up the two families that she felt had double crossed her. This is a wise move for a "gamer," because those in the newly broken families were the NEXT 3 to get voted off the show. Unfortunately, Heba's comments have led me to believe that she didn't break the families for better "gaming" but to be spiteful to those that disobeyed her. If she had issues with Phil being sneaky, and felt he wasn't a good team player, I can understand that, but why not just move both Phil and his wife to another team?

Phil did absolutely nothing. The four blue people involved in the alliance have serious psychological issues that should be addressed.

If you watched the interviews during that episode, Phil said he COULDN'T talk w/o letting everyone else know he ate something, b/c his mouth was full of chocolate and peanut butter! He wasn't trying to be sneaky and hide it from Heba, he was trying to hide it from the other players. But Heba wouldn't even give him a chance to explain that - she automatically wrote him off as the enemy and never thought twice about it.

I did watch the interview and I know he said that he couldn't talk because his mouth was full, however, even if that were true at the time, he had plenty of time afterwards to tell Heba. He was whispering to his wife, and he walked up to the table and contemplated getting another candy. Also, if he wasn't being sneaky, why didn't he just tell Heba that he didn't like her plan.
I think he even admitted in that interview that he was trying to be quiet but he never thought that the paper on the peanut butter cups would be so noisy. I think Phil seems like a great guy and does not deserve to be treated the way 3 members of the blue team have treated him. However, he is a little bit of a gamer, and that is ok. It is a game. I also believe that he did talk to Brady (in my opinion)to "feel" him out regarding his alliance with Heba. He did so to try to save his wife. I believe that any spouse would do that. He was trying to play the game to keep his wife safe.
What I do not believe, is that he said hurtful things about Heba that Brady said that he did.

Yeah, it started with Phil trying to secretly eat the peanut butter cup so Heba wouldn't be picking teams. This put Phil on Heba's **** list and he further cemented that position by trying to form an alliance against her on the basketball court.

These shrewed gameplay moves, combined with the insanity trainwreck that is Heba kind of got the ball rolling on all the fun we see now.

I got angry at the comment that Vicky made in regards to Phil-actually all of the comments she made...anyhow, the one that got me the most was something along the line of Phil being a weasel and he did not deserve to be the Biggest Loser because he would not be a good role model for America...yes Vicky, you or Heba would be far better ones...please honey, you are far from someone that I would allow myself or any of my children to look up to...yes, this is a game, but please do not make yourself sound like a saint when you're the one that is the snake in the grass ready and willing to strike and stab someone in the back for your benefit...

I really do not understand why all that hatred and spite and other acts of childish behavior have to come to play during these shows...the only reality shows that have not had such BS are the American Idol and So You Think You Can Dance...it seems like all of the contestants get along and truly care for one another and hey, here is a novelty-Support one another and their success...

I find people like Vicky and Heba and anyone else who is willing to compromise their integrity, ethics, morality, self worth and loyalty-providing you had any of that to begin with-for some money to be no better than crooks, gangsters and cheats...not at all good qualities in my book...

Even if you're on a game show where strategy is key to you going far behaving such as that is inexcusable...I'm sorry to say that...I lose any and all respect towards anyone who resorts to such tactics...

I feel bad that Bob has to be their trainer as the entire team seems to be crooked...I'm glad that Bob made the comment that he made...of course, he did not say it to Vicky and he was sort of in cahoots with her when the teams got split up and Phil went to the black team...she got Bob and told him how angry she was and how she wanted him gone and how much of a loser he was because he was not a team player and was thinking about himself and himself only…I about lost it then too with Vicky and the all mighty Heba…those two are two of a kind and will stab you in the back or throw you under the bus soon as look at you…

the only reason why she was unhappy with the split was because he was a male and was going to give the blue team nothing but a clear path to victory because they would have both of the men on their team...

Ugh she makes me sick...she and that Heba chick...cannot stand them...they need to take cues from the Black team-especially that cute little Amy-I think that is her name, sorry, not good with remembering names...

WHO CARES if Phil ate peanut butter cups when Heba didn't want him to! I would've eaten more than that and made sure that Heba didn't have control. It's obvious that Heba and Vickie control their husbands to the point of wimpiness! They don't like the fact that Phil didn't want to be controlled by them!! That's all there is to that!!
Also, Vickie and Brady used the point that Heba was already p-o'ed at Phil to strengthen their alliance when they ran and told her what Phil said about voting her off. It was just game play and they blew it out of proportion.
Vickie's actions and comments are sooo totally uncalled for. I tell my kids..."Please, don't think that it's ok to act like that!"
I soooo hope that Vickie does not make it to the finale!

I think that it with Heba, and I think it is because she is very insecure and self-absorbed (just like Vicki is, which is why they bonded the way they did). She became obsessed with the way she perceived Phil's dislike of her. She kept harping about how he "didn't like" her. I stopped watching some time after that (got annoyed with watching her griping, cursing, and arrogance), but happened to watch tonight and then joined her so I could complain about this HORRIBLE, horrible season of B.L.

But honestly, even if Phil did something toward Heba, the thing is... she could not handle how she thought he didn't like her. She was obsessed, and became bound and determined to get him off the show. It wasn't so much what he did, but it was the fact that she felt that he didn't like her and that he had it out for her. I think both her and Vicki are extremely insecure people, and they have to "bully" or control others to make themselves feel good.

I was very happy for Phil and his wife tonight. His wife looked gorgeous!! So did the girl who almost won the challenge.

All Phil said was that Amy really needed to be there and was just trying to get Brady's support for his wife he didn't say squat about Heba...that part was a bald faced lie by Brady. and oh whaddya know now he's gone ain't Karma grand...can't wait for Vicky to get hers.

I cant believe the were soo mean to phil, he really didn't do anything to the blue team and he was nice enough to pretty much just stand there and take it when heba went off on him. vicky and brady made him a scapegoat to make sure they had Heba's loyalty it was a trick to keep them around but they were so icky about it i think they got what they had comming to them tonight. maybe vicky should learn to play nice.

Once the contestants were told they'd no longer be teams of couples and parents/children they had a temptation challenge. The winner of this challenge was going to be able to pick teams and the trainer for the teams. Whoever ate the most calories would be the winner, surprise the room is pitch black. Heba states that "Hey lets keep the teams the way they are, if you agree, I will go up and eat one thing, then I'll keep the teams the way they are." Or something to that effect. Well she goes up to eat some donuts and Phil goes to eat some Reese's peanut butter cups and Heba hears the wrappers. She soon finds out it's Phil and she FLIPS out. Since then she couldn't stand Phil, come on Heba, grow up!!! To put the icing on the cake, Brady and Vicky go stir up some more drama in Heba's room a few weeks after the temptation challenge. They tell Heba that Phil was trying to get Vicky and Brady to vote Heba off... which I think is a total lie. I believe Vicky and Brady made that up to make Heba hate Phil even more.

It just got worse from there and Heba, Vicky, and Brady constantly attacked Phil.

Poor phil just trying to play the game like everybody else and gets attacked for doing soo, I hope heba goes home and takes vicky and Ed with her. I guess thats me getting sucked into the drama

I think Phil didn't say anything during that challenge, not because his mouth was full, but because he already knew what terrible people they were and did not want Heba to have that power. I don't blame him.....he was obviously right in his assessment if that was the case. And he did talk to Brady on the basketball court but like you said, he was just trying to save his wife and did not say anything mean or nasty about anyone. I'm so happy that Amy C. voted for Brady....what a smart girl!! There is such a difference in character between the two teams....although I feel for Brady. I don't think he's as bad as his crazy wife and tries to get her to shut her awful mouth.

That's what I saw too, he didn't bow down to her highness and tried to save his wife, and for that she decided "off with his head!" Does anyone else feel that they sat down to watch the biggest loser but instead ended up in Wonderland where nothing makes any sense? This show makes me want to hurl!

I could not agree with you more. Poor Phil! He got ambushed. And the show makes less sense and gets less inspiring episode by episode. At this rate, I might as well watch Survivor instead of Biggest Loser.

I am so sickened by the Axis of Evil between Heba, Vicky and Brady and so tired of the negativity that I am doing something I have never done in any season of Biggest Loser before. I am actually rooting against Bob's team. I am renouncing the blue and rooting for the black.

And if this continues, I am afraid I am going to have to give up watching BL altogether. That will be a sad day...

Cheers!

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MatSen.

Well, from what I can gather....

One of the first episodes, it was clear that Ed and Brady weren't on good terms with Phil. One of them said something about Phil talking too much or whatever. I can't remember.

Then the whole temptation to make teams. Heba volunteered to eat something to keep the teams the same, arguements ensued.

Then that conversation that Phil admitted happened.

That is what we know from the show.

Vicky's blog does say that Amy P and Phil were spreading rumors back and forth between the teams. Is that true? I don't know, but it would explain quite a bit.

Who knows what happens when the cameras aren't rolling or what gets left on the editing room floor.

Heba and Ed didn't always dislike Phil. If you recall, they won the slip and slide challenge and gave the other phone call to Amy and Phil.
Regardless, her splitting him and his wife and calling him out in front of his (new black) team on the previous episode was uncalled for.

That's right!! Who died and left Heba in charge? She was already pissed off because the day before they (she) sent her husband home! I remember she made a comment during the "in the dark" challange something like "...Phil's beginning to **** me off..." Who the he** does she think she is? Phil didn't do anything wrong. And when Amy (Phil's wife) got voted off she made it clear how childish she really was. If I was Amy I wouldn't have even pleaded my case to her. She's not worth it! I hope Amy and Phil go home and win the 100 grand!

I'm upset that Bob has not stepped in and said something to these four miserable team players. I know it's a game, but when you play dirty and start hurting people's feeling by spewing your venum, I think Bob or the producers should step in. Phil did nothing to deserve the treatment he and his wife got.

I'll watch to the end of this season to see who gets there's in the end. After all there can only be one winner. But I will not watch it next year if they decide to go with family teams. I think there is too much emotion tied into the game. They should go back to all strangers. After all, if you have two family members doing this together, then you have the support at home and can do it at home. It's those that don't get support at home with friends and family, that need it more to be on this show.

PRODUCERS: HEAR THIS! BRING BACK STRANGERS!!!!

I totally agree! Bob needs to step in here! I think their poor sportsmanship, especially when they played that "joke" on Bob and told him "sadly" that Phil was back. Bob (Jillian, Ali, the director and the producers) should not allow the mean things that are being said either. Or the near fight that occurred in the kitchen. Last i checked this wasn't the Jerry Springer show.

I just want to say how good it feels to see that everyone who has posted on here has posted EVERYTHING I think and feel about "Flatsom & Jetsom (Vicki & Heba)

Hello,

I also watch all the time and phil did nothing, It is that vicki lady she is the most evil person I have ever seen on the biggest loser and I cant believe they are aloud to treat other contestents like she is treating phil.

I, also, have watched every single episode and am totally lost as to why Heba, Vicky and Brady (Ed, too?) harbor so much contempt for Phil. I found it ironic that Brady found himself describing his weight-loss transformation in much the same fashion as Phil in their respective "where are they now" pieces. Remember how Brady and Vicky rolled their eyes when Phil expressed his jubilation at his new-found healthy lifestyle?

The "Blue 4" have shown America their true colors, to be sure. What color of t-shirt best coordinates with a spirit of pettiness, poor sportsmanship and outright hatred? The four of them should be ashamed, as should their friends and family member watching from home.

I agree that Phil did nothing to bring this on. He did a couple of game playing moves that were mild in comparison to the "Blue 4". Phil didn't go along with them and they didn't like it. It's a pitiful display for a show that should be about health.

Thanks for discussing this on the show, Bob. You are being very nice about it, but still getting your point across, I think. I hope that Vicky's kids start rolling their eyes at her. Can you imagine them watching this episode?

I see your point, but remember it's the producers who have edited the episodes to show us the "blue 4" personalities. And BOB is no fool, he's been calling out Vickie for a few weeks about her constant game play.

Did anyone see Amy & Phil on the Today Show on Tuesday? Man, Amy looked f'n hot! She's down to a size six... a true beauty.

I suspect that the producers have edited the show in such a way that we all now hate the blue 4. I know my house all cheered when Amy voted off Brady. I just have a feeling it's all in the editing.

And I have to agree with a post on page one: if i were family or friends of the two evil couples I would be seriously evaluating that relationship and how they treat me, and their actions.

from the begining, it was all about the money, vicky said she'd be in first and brady 2'nd and they'd take all the money. she is apparently not afraid of what any of us think about her game play. her husband is alittle more subdued about it. but never the less, he thinks the same as her. it was all game play to up set phil to get him to miss his wife, so the other team would loose him, it happened. now i just hope everyone else prevails. phil and amy will rock on. and i am proud of who they are and what they stand for. they are awesome people.

First of all, please know that I like Phil.
However, he was "playing" the game too. Please watch the bonus scene with Heba and Amy from this week. Brady probably was not completely truthful in what he told Heba that Phil said (not to mention that was completely childish preteen garbage by going to Heba at all.) but he did say some things.
I wish Phil (and Amy) the best and would like to see one of them win the 100,000 but I can't agree with those that say he did absolutely nothing.

Phil made an attempt to keep his wife here, and he also tried to prevent Heba from having too much control. Heba has said, flat out, that she wants to control the game. That is not good for anyone but Heba. If I were Phil I would have done the exact same thing. With the exception of Amy C, the blue team's behavior on the last few episodes has been abhorrent. I don't think we've ever seen anyone as outwardly nasty as Vicky on this show. Blech.

Man, I have never taken the time to join a board like this over anything, never mind a reality TV show, but I am just so disgusted with the Vicky, Heba, and Brady. It felt great to read all of your comments. Phil seems like such a nice guy playing the game like any decent person would do to get by, but those three are pathetic. Ug. Vicky especially makes me retch when she is then all sugary sweet to Bob. She reminds me of those evil middle school girls everyone grows up with that are two-faced and mean-spirited!