PeacockPatrol
Jan 7 2009, 10:17 PM
TIME TO FIGHT BACK—Sarah (Deanna Russo) is not coping well with her father’s death and decides to leave town. Concerned, Mike (Justin Bruening) goes looking for her and in return gets the answers he has been searching for about his past. Meanwhile, the NSA has decided to dismantle the SSC now that Dr. Graiman (Bruce Davison) is dead and they can then move forward with KITT’s nemesis KARR. With Torres’ (Yancey Arias) permission they take out KITT’s (voiced by Val Kilmer) chip that contains his personality and memories and place it in KARR (voiced by Peter Cullen). Upset by what has happened, Mike, Sarah, Billy (Paul Campbell) and Zoe (Smith Cho) devise a plan to find where KITT has been taken and get him up and running and destroy the evil KARR once and for all.
waldo28
Jan 7 2009, 10:50 PM
i cant wait to see this episode
Spyder01
Jan 8 2009, 12:07 PM
It's a pitty that Dr. Graiman isn`t more. But the story of this episode sounds good.
waldo28
Jan 8 2009, 08:02 PM
QUOTE (Spyder01 @ Jan 8 2009, 12:07 PM)

It's a pitty that Dr. Graiman isn`t more. But the story of this episode sounds good.
I understand them getting rid of the 2 FBI agents but not Graiman
ElectricPhantom
Jan 9 2009, 01:47 PM
I'm saddened that Graiman is going to perish but I think his death will make it more dramatic as more of us are connected with him as a character. Still...
Raymond_T
Jan 9 2009, 02:11 PM
QUOTE (ElectricPhantom @ Jan 9 2009, 02:47 PM)

I'm saddened that Graiman is going to perish but I think his death will make it more dramatic as more of us are connected with him as a character. Still...
I loved how he played against Hank, this past episode. I am really going to miss him... Unless the guy that dies next week turns out to also be a doppleganger!

Hey, it worked in the movie, right?!
ElectricPhantom
Jan 9 2009, 04:15 PM
QUOTE (Raymond_T @ Jan 9 2009, 02:11 PM)

I loved how he played against Hank, this past episode. I am really going to miss him... Unless the guy that dies next week turns out to also be a doppleganger!

Hey, it worked in the movie, right?!

*thwacks with a fish* Don't give them ideas. XD
Raymond_T
Jan 9 2009, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (ElectricPhantom @ Jan 9 2009, 05:15 PM)

*thwacks with a fish* Don't give them ideas. XD
What?!

It's has sort of become Bruce Davidson trademark! They did the same thing with him in the X-men movies!
stutart
Jan 11 2009, 05:28 AM
QUOTE (Raymond_T @ Jan 9 2009, 02:11 PM)

I loved how he played against Hank, this past episode. I am really going to miss him... Unless the guy that dies next week turns out to also be a doppleganger!

Hey, it worked in the movie, right?!

i personally like that idea, it would totally suck if they killed off the person that designed kitt
Raymond_T
Jan 11 2009, 08:13 AM
QUOTE (stutart @ Jan 11 2009, 06:28 AM)

it would totally suck if they killed off the person that designed kitt
Well, not so much that, as that Bruce Davidson is just one hell of an actor. One that should have received every kind of award years ago. Of all the characters on the show, he played his as a person you really care for. And the writing has him being the clue that kept every one together, including the robots.
Wrangler212
Jan 14 2009, 09:06 PM
Glad to see that Peter Cullen is reprising his role from years ago. He seems to be doing that a lot lately. Kinda cool.
James0991
Jan 14 2009, 09:22 PM
true about peter cullen I hope this epsode is as good as the last two
tamatt27
Jan 14 2009, 10:41 PM
QUOTE (Wrangler212 @ Jan 14 2009, 09:06 PM)

Glad to see that Peter Cullen is reprising his role from years ago. He seems to be doing that a lot lately. Kinda cool.
I, too, am very glad Peter Cullen is back. The latest trailer sounded more like his 'Optimus Prime' voice than KARR, though.
nitestarr60
Jan 15 2009, 12:03 AM
On this episode of Knight Rider, Mike and KITT track KARRs A.I. onto the set of the upcoming movie Transformers 2, where KARR possesses the empty Transformer shell of Barricade, who strikingly resembled KITT when he transformed into a police cruiser on the previous episode.
Is this show going to turn into the prequel to the return of TKR? At least the vehicles didn't turn into other types of vehicles. I hope the show stays on long enough for KITT to transform into ALL of the Ford vehicles. J/K!
overdrive
Jan 15 2009, 12:08 AM
As far Dr. Graiman being dead, we didn't see anything, so it would be very easy for them bring him back later. And if the SSC is no more (I hope), someone will have to foot the bills for KITT, I'm thinking maybe it's time for FLAG to return?
Grey_Fool
Jan 15 2009, 01:10 AM
Well, it is rumored that Kitt and Michael along with the team(minus the father and two FBI agents) are supposed to strike out on their own. We shall see what happens, but I have a feeling we may not have seen the last of the father and carrie.
MVAUTODUNN
Jan 15 2009, 03:02 AM
I saw the preview for this episode tonight and I've been very excited with peter cullen playing karr but the voice could use some digi sound otherwise it sounds too much like optimus prime. I'm still wondering how KI3T's memories and such are going to be turned into KARR and attack those that KI3T cares about. I still think there is a twist we haven't even thought of.
Grey_Fool
Jan 15 2009, 10:06 AM
less then a week gang, less then a week, and we will find out all the answers.
nessenj
Jan 15 2009, 05:21 PM
+1 here, I for one can't wait to see this episode and cleared out my wednesday night schedule!
Grey_Fool
Jan 15 2009, 08:14 PM
I'm going to have to race home to be able to catch it next week. i got stuff up until 6:30 that I can't get around.
waldo28
Jan 16 2009, 12:50 AM
i might have to watch it when they put it on the website
i really think this is going to be the episode that decides the fate of the series so i hope they don't screw it up. Since more people are going to reconise Peter Cullen's voice as optimus prime rather than as the original karr i think most will think it is ruined
Raymond_T
Jan 16 2009, 01:31 AM
QUOTE (waldo28 @ Jan 16 2009, 01:50 AM)

i might have to watch it when they put it on the website
i really think this is going to be the episode that decides the fate of the series so i hope they don't screw it up. Since more people are going to reconise Peter Cullen's voice as optimus prime rather than as the original karr i think most will think it is ruined
Ironically, the 'Optimus Prime voice' is not Peter Cullen's regular voice. And he used the same voice on KARR two years before Optimus Prime first hit TV screens.
K333R
Jan 16 2009, 01:50 AM
I think this episode's gonna be all kinds of epic. KITT vs. KARR saved the original series from cancellation so on the off chance that all the Negative Nancys out there are right, let's hope history repeats itself! I hope it sucks America into it's awesomeness and weaves it's turbo boost spell into the hearts of all. Especially the NBC execs.
Mattmann76
Jan 16 2009, 02:02 AM
QUOTE (K333R @ Jan 16 2009, 01:50 AM)

I think this episode's gonna be all kinds of epic. KITT vs. KARR saved the original series from cancellation so on the off chance that all the Negative Nancys out there are right, let's hope history repeats itself! I hope it sucks America into it's awesomeness and weaves it's turbo boost spell into the hearts of all. Especially the NBC execs.
Unfortunately, American Idol started. Knight Rider might take a bad hit in the ratings. Everything seems to due to that stupid show. I never understood the fascination people have for American Idol. It's just people singing.
KR85
Jan 16 2009, 03:28 AM
K.I.T.T vs K.A.R.R. So great and can't wait. I hope we are all over KARR is going to be a big robot. Hello what do you think the last latter stood for it the old K.A.R.R?! I do want to see this KITT go up agaist a super vehicle. Maybe a big truck? no not a semi, but I think a big SUV with weapons. Ford has them, it better use then having kitt transform into them.
1macgeek
Jan 16 2009, 05:52 AM
QUOTE (Mattmann76 @ Jan 16 2009, 02:02 AM)

Unfortunately, American Idol started. Knight Rider might take a bad hit in the ratings.
There is no might about it :
(Fox) American Idol - 15.1/24
(CBS) Old Christine - 4.8/8, and Gary Unmarried - 4.6/7
(NBC) Knight Rider - 3.4/5
That is the reality.
Eastcoastshadow
Jan 16 2009, 06:17 AM
First off no 18-wheelers please! That would only call out for a return of Goliath and then it would be a disaster I think. I am so excited for next weeks episode though. From what I have heard it will be insane and packed. SSC shuts down? KITT ends up in KARR but is still I am guessing combat ready? Wow. I mean where will he get repaired? (that is one thing not so great is that compared to the old indestructible KITT he now has sort of a shield coating). Also I agree with the funding and connections this is not like the old knight foundation of old. Oh and possibly David Hassalhoff is going to come back and play a role much like devin's?? All I know is I will be in front of my TV for the battle this week! Everything has been cancelled and I am going to treat it like a football game and shut off my phone I CAN NOT WAIT! Btw does anyone know anything more about KARR here? Is it the old processor or what? I noticed in the behind the scenes where they show the stunts they describe Torres as getting "plugged into the computer" when KARR captures him! Sorry for the long note I am just a huge KR fan, always have been, and love the new series!
oh and for the record I HATE American Idol lol
Grey_Fool
Jan 16 2009, 09:53 AM
I also hate American Idol or any of those reality tv type shows. They worked for a while during the writer's strike, but please people do not copy reality tv for something that is similar, they get old fast.
For example don't make something similar to American Idol, it gets old real quick and I tend to turn the tv off if it is on.
But I will be watching it, wild mustang KARR couldn't stop me.
ancientspark
Jan 17 2009, 07:16 AM
QUOTE (waldo28 @ Jan 8 2009, 08:02 PM)

I understand them getting rid of the 2 FBI agents but not Graiman
Nobody saw Graiman DIE....
This is TELEVISION...
He can EASILY return.... EASILY.
Argument I know will be put forth "But K.I.T.T. would know for SURE, right?"
WRONG!
Who CREATED K.I.T.T. Who could authorize K.I.T.T. to do ANYTHING?!?!
Think about it...
ancientspark
Jan 17 2009, 07:20 AM
QUOTE (Raymond_T @ Jan 16 2009, 01:31 AM)

Ironically, the 'Optimus Prime voice' is not Peter Cullen's regular voice. And he used the same voice on KARR two years before Optimus Prime first hit TV screens.
We KNOW that he originally voiced K.A.R.R. in 1982. NONE of the newbie FNG kids around will EVER step up and GET that he used that voice first on an EVIL character.... Only us NERDS will get that.
So yes, we're going to ALL hear about how Optimus Prime went EVIL on us and most of us old farts can sit back and laugh because we all know, that voice was evil to BEGIN with.
'nuff said.
ElectricPhantom
Jan 17 2009, 10:28 AM
American Idol- that which I abhor.
Really.
I wish there were some way to convince NBC to move Knight Rider's night to Monday or Sunday. A new show competing with American Idol is unfair- and Knight Rider has had an unfair and hard enough existence as it is.
Raymond_T
Jan 17 2009, 02:01 PM
QUOTE (ancientspark @ Jan 17 2009, 08:20 AM)

We KNOW that he originally voiced K.A.R.R. in 1982. NONE of the newbie FNG kids around will EVER step up and GET that he used that voice first on an EVIL character.... Only us NERDS will get that.
So yes, we're going to ALL hear about how Optimus Prime went EVIL on us and most of us old farts can sit back and laugh because we all know, that voice was evil to BEGIN with.
'nuff said.
My point was (before you went bonkers there) that everyone kept saying that Cullen uses his Optimus Prime voice to do KARR, when in reality he was doing his KARR voice to do Optimus Prime. And that while people think that that is his regular voice, that it really isn't.
Now please get the stick out of your @$$. I'm really starting to get sick and tired of you getting on people's cases here. If you can't simply join in the conversations in a civil way, don't join in at all...
elfman5555
Jan 17 2009, 04:33 PM
I am definitely interested interested to see this next show. This show has some in anticipation of what's to come. Can't believe KARR is back....
I am saddened to know that Dr. Graiman is gone. Not sure if that was the right thing to do, as far as the show goes. You know what's funny, that pilot reminds me of the guy who play Admiral Chegwidden on JAG.....
Anyway, I saw just a couple of seconds of the trailer and it looks great. Peter Cullen is a great actor. I have to agree. KARR almost sounds like Optimus Prime from the Transformers....
ancientspark
Jan 17 2009, 05:44 PM
QUOTE (Raymond_T @ Jan 17 2009, 02:01 PM)

My point was (before you went bonkers there) that everyone kept saying that Cullen uses his Optimus Prime voice to do KARR, when in reality he was doing his KARR voice to do Optimus Prime. And that while people think that that is his regular voice, that it really isn't.
Now please get the stick out of your @$$. I'm really starting to get sick and tired of you getting on people's cases here. If you can't simply join in the conversations in a civil way, don't join in at all...
Look, I was out of line for that I admit and I apologize to the younger generation from the 90's.
Look my only thing is this : The kids KNOW this is a series based off of an older show. Everybody knows that. However they don't stop and research the old show before they try to make broad general statements. I know that I didn't address the thing about peter cullen's REAL voice not being the KARR/OP voice but I thought that should have been an obvious thing. I was focusing on the ignorance to not actually look into the time the show was on and see for themsselves that KR was 1982 and TF did not start until 1984. And the MORE strange thing for me is I know that they really were just referring to the NEW 2007 movie and NOT really the G1 show. That makes me even more angry that they are stating that P.C. was doing Prime's voice FOR KARR when you'd have to have lived under a ROCK not to know that KR was an older show to begin with and that the TF movie was 2007 alone. HOW do their brains connect these facts? That's what I want to know.
I am all for sympathy and empathy and I love people in general with all of my heart. I just get uber-frustrated with people for not using the brain's given to them and excersizing a shred of intelligence now and again. I'm sorry that I hold people to higher standards than most people do but here's the heart of the matter :
Intelligence and smarts and wisdom, these are things that are GOOD, not evil. It's OKAY to stay in school and pay attention in class, do your homework and get a career of some kind. It's okay to NOT drop out and get into gangs and do all kinds of drugs while selling them to toddlers at the same time.
It's a good thing to want and aspire to be intelligent and to live well, and when people neglect to just stop and think before they spout crap out... that is a slap in the face to humanity. Too many people would rather have all the answers handed to them and not have to get a brain freeze because they really don't know much more than breathing, eating, sleeping and screwing.
I apologize for my statements on this board, especially those to people who can't find the time to spell and communicate with clear words without butchering the American language to death. I'm sorry you'd rather be aloud to just post whatever nonsensical garbage you want and then be aloud to complain when somebody simply corrects your post for YOUR benefit so that you can LEARN FROM IT and then NOT perform the SAME mistakes again and again.... instead I become the BAD guy because everyone's like "leave them alone" and I'm sick and tired of feeling sorry for apathetic LOOSERS who don't CARE enough to join the intelligent crowd of people who get jobs and help people and make America a BETTER place... instead you all sit on your asses with your thumbs up your holes and wait for the older generation to swoop in and save you and tell you EVERYTHING because you just once again opened your mouths and made some idiot noise that either didn't hold any water or couldn't find the bucket in the first place because the words themselves did not form any kind of intelligent sentence.
We're supposed to support this apathy when there are tons of people with real careers and jobs who do math and perform basic clerical functions with relative ease and FEED their families.... when all the newbie sheep are out there in internet cafe's or on mom and dad's laptops blogging out of their entire 14 years of life experience and they're high on drugs or even just energy drinks and starbucks but they dont understand or grasp the reason why they should be employed someplace and do their ABSOLUTE best at their jobs no matter what they are?!?!
I'm tired of supporting apathy. I'm tired of people who dont try. There are plenty of YOUNG people from their OWN generation that ARE trying and DO appreciate the finer things in life like being able to communicate clearly and have people understand them, and on top of all that... even make sense at the end of the day.
Raymond_T
Jan 17 2009, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (ancientspark @ Jan 17 2009, 06:44 PM)

Look, I was out of line for that I admit and I apologize to the younger generation from the 90's.
Okay, lets just leave it at that.
As for the old series versus the movie in Transformers, I think I've heard/read it all by now. Not just posting on Transformers boards, but as part of the news crew on Seibertron.com/news as well. From people saying that fake movie dvd's are released that turns out to be the 1986 Transformers movie. To people claiming that the guy who plays Optimus Prime in the movie sounds nothing like the guy who played Optimus Prime in the cartoon, and that he should have researched the part before trying to impersonate him...
Some people are just morons, and that's just putting it mildly. But I'm not going to waste my energy in anger. I rather try to set the record straight, and if they don't accept it, then they simply are not worth my time.
1macgeek
Jan 18 2009, 08:22 AM
QUOTE (ancientspark @ Jan 17 2009, 08:16 AM)

Nobody saw Graiman DIE....
How can you say that? I mean, we were given Gus and a flashy-light-thingy from the $0.99 bin at Radio Shack. If that's not conclusive proof he bit the dust, then what is?
Atol
Jan 18 2009, 09:24 AM
Let take Real life. Remember a few Days Jan 12, 2009 week ago that a guy jump out of a airplane to fake his death. Then the cops found him? Hello. Plane crash. Crazy but ture. MILTON, Fla. An Indiana businessman whose financial management companies were under investigation apparently bailed out of his small plane and let it crash in what may have been an elaborate attempt to fake his own death. Look it up.
Let take a shows that take the art of Faking death to a Art. Look up Soap Opera
Oh let take a look at Days of our lives a show on NBC. How many times has John and Stepheno and other cast has been Dead, coma and Poof they are alive. Most of them been in a coma or dead or vanished a few times each.
My point this is a TV show. So for a TV show standpoint could Graiman be alive? I say possable. Becuse this is a TV show.
And it give a Possabilty.
ElectricPhantom
Jan 18 2009, 01:44 PM
QUOTE (Atol @ Jan 18 2009, 09:24 AM)

Let take Real life. Remember a few Days Jan 12, 2009 week ago that a guy jump out of a airplane to fake his death. Then the cops found him? Hello. Plane crash. Crazy but ture. MILTON, Fla. An Indiana businessman whose financial management companies were under investigation apparently bailed out of his small plane and let it crash in what may have been an elaborate attempt to fake his own death. Look it up.
Let take a shows that take the art of Faking death to a Art. Look up Soap Opera
Oh let take a look at Days of our lives a show on NBC. How many times has John and Stepheno and other cast has been Dead, coma and Poof they are alive. Most of them been in a coma or dead or vanished a few times each.
My point this is a TV show. So for a TV show standpoint could Graiman be alive? I say possable. Becuse this is a TV show.
And it give a Possabilty.
With TV, it will always be a possibility. I suppose that's one of the beauties of it.
Let's hope if that is the case, they can write it well. :\
ashipper
Jan 18 2009, 05:19 PM
Argghhh...another season of American Idol torture
Just as we settle into enjoying KR on Wed nights, our show goes up against tv`s most moronic offerings. To the NBC bosses: Can you move KR to a better slot?
BTW Totally like the new look KR and have hope!!!! My 8yr old and I enjoy it immensely...he of course for the SFX and transformer like antics of KITT and moi for the eye candy

.
Ride on KR
darkboy90
Jan 18 2009, 06:09 PM
You know Atol is right some people have taken faking their own death to an art. Like how on smackdown and raw everyone thought that vince mcMan( didn't spell his name right did I?) that he died cause his limo blew up they even held a little funeral service for him on smackdown and they even posted it online on wwe.com saying he died. Then a week later he shows up on raw saying the he faked his own death and business went back to normal on both shows. So possibly graiman is alive hopefully. I hope his character comes sback on the show as a ghost or him alive again on the show. Hell even people still dont think elvis is really dead.
Raymond_T
Jan 18 2009, 07:12 PM
QUOTE (darkboy90 @ Jan 18 2009, 07:09 PM)

vince mcMan( didn't spell his name right did I?)
No, It's Vince (or Vincent Kennedy) McMahon.

And the storyline of Vince being killed was supposed to be set through. However, less then two weeks later the tragedy surrounding Chris Benoit (allegedly) killing his family and then himself took place. To continue the whole fake death theme when real murders were committed was in poor taste, so Vince McMahon scrapped the storyline himself.
Oddly enough people gave him a lot of heat that he pulled the fake death plot on RAW... As if he could possibly know that what happened would take place two weeks AFTER his scene aired.
Grey_Fool
Jan 19 2009, 12:36 AM
QUOTE (1macgeek @ Jan 18 2009, 09:22 AM)

How can you say that? I mean, we were given Gus and a flashy-light-thingy from the $0.99 bin at Radio Shack. If that's not conclusive proof he bit the dust, then what is?
I think we will see Graiman again one day. It's really simple to have him jump off of the plane and fall with having loss his memory or something like that or even kidnapped if we think the signal came from KARR or some other evil boss guy. We don't even know what the pilot was sorry for, even if you don't consider kidnapping, a million things could have been wrong with that plane. It did take a beating after all in the show.
Basically all we have is an apologizing pilot, blinking light, and KITT relaying a message that Graiman is gone. KITT didn't even say where he got the message from.
ancientspark
Jan 19 2009, 07:15 AM
KITT felt a great disturbance in the force.
Burn35
Jan 19 2009, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (elfman5555 @ Jan 17 2009, 04:33 PM)

I am definitely interested interested to see this next show. This show has some in anticipation of what's to come. Can't believe KARR is back....
I am saddened to know that Dr. Graiman is gone. Not sure if that was the right thing to do, as far as the show goes. You know what's funny, that pilot reminds me of the guy who play Admiral Chegwidden on JAG.....
Anyway, I saw just a couple of seconds of the trailer and it looks great. Peter Cullen is a great actor. I have to agree. KARR almost sounds like Optimus Prime from the Transformers....
Well, he WAS Admiral Chegwidden on J.A.G.
Raymond_T
Jan 19 2009, 05:10 PM
*gasp*
Two. More. Days!
1macgeek
Jan 19 2009, 08:54 PM
QUOTE (Grey_Fool @ Jan 19 2009, 01:36 AM)

Basically all we have is an apologizing pilot, blinking light, and KITT relaying a message that Graiman is gone. KITT didn't even say where he got the message from.
I really have to do all the thinking around here, don't I?!
It all so simple - KITT caused the plane to go down. That's how he knows. He was insanely jealous of the relationship between Dr. Graiman and Hank. It was obvious they both had to die because Hank was never good enough for Dr. Graiman; anyone could see that. So, KITT had no choice but to kill Dr. Graiman and that bee-yotch Hank.
Who's the bee-yotch now, Hank?! Huh?!
Tommyguard3
Jan 19 2009, 11:48 PM
QUOTE (ancientspark @ Jan 17 2009, 06:44 PM)

I apologize for my statements on this board, especially those to people who can't find the time to spell and communicate with clear words without butchering the American language to death. I'm sorry you'd rather be aloud to just post whatever nonsensical garbage you want and then be aloud to complain when somebody simply corrects your post for YOUR benefit so that you can LEARN FROM IT and then NOT perform the SAME mistakes again and again.... instead I become the BAD guy because everyone's like "leave them alone" and I'm sick and tired of feeling sorry for apathetic LOOSERS who don't CARE enough to join the intelligent crowd of people who get jobs and help people and make America a BETTER place... instead you all sit on your asses with your thumbs up your holes and wait for the older generation to swoop in and save you and tell you EVERYTHING because you just once again opened your mouths and made some idiot noise that either didn't hold any water or couldn't find the bucket in the first place because the words themselves did not form any kind of intelligent sentence.
I believe you mean allowed, and losers. If you're going to complain about "losers'" spelling you might want to make sure yours is correct.
Anyways...more importantly KITT did say where he got the information.
Mike: Sarah we got word from the SSC about the plane
that's pretty definitive wouldn't you say? Well definitive about the source not about the accuracy of the information.
Grey_Fool
Jan 20 2009, 12:16 PM
SSC huh? I missed that little detail, sorry gang.
KryptonKnight
Jan 20 2009, 02:40 PM
QUOTE (1macgeek @ Jan 19 2009, 05:54 PM)

I really have to do all the thinking around here, don't I?!
It all so simple - KITT caused the plane to go down. That's how he knows. He was insanely jealous of the relationship between Dr. Graiman and Hank. It was obvious they both had to die because Hank was never good enough for Dr. Graiman; anyone could see that. So, KITT had no choice but to kill Dr. Graiman and that bee-yotch Hank.
Who's the bee-yotch now, Hank?! Huh?!
macgeek, shut the f___ up! you're talking out of your butt! again! and spewing crap everywhere! again!
Raymond_T
Jan 20 2009, 03:00 PM
QUOTE (KryptonKnight @ Jan 20 2009, 03:40 PM)

macgeek, shut the f___ up! you're talking out of your butt! again! and spewing crap everywhere! again!
Easy there, Car of Steel. I think macgeek was just making a joke there...
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