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Yes. And, of course she slept with Bryce (if she wanted to), exactly for that purpose. (In fact, I have an amusing vision of Sarah going after MI6 or Bryce for sex, similar to when Tasha Yar went after Data in the first season of ST:NG.)

If she has a need, and she has and the ability to satisfy that need, why wouldn't she? Especially if she has her doubts about a real relationship with Chuck (whether because he continues to exhibit uber nerdiness, or he is the minded (she the minder), or some stupid professionalism, or because of some real or perceived danger (vis Casey/Beckman), and she was horny, why not have sex with a perfectly available stranger. (With MI6, there might also be no danger of physical attachment.) Or not.

What kind of person? Where are we exactly now in this show? Do we think the Sarah character acted "genuinely" in Santa Klaus? She knows how Chuck feels about her? We all have a take on why she killed Mauser the way she did. If, at some point she says ILY to Chuck or she acknowledges that she may be there to him, and they have some type of joint cathartic experience; why couldn't they get it on any which way but loose?

From tvguide.com - Robert Picardo interview under What's next for you?

And on Chuck — it's very interesting. They're doing a very big story arc about who created the "Intersect," which is this special super-computer system (stored in Chuck's brain), and I think I'm not speaking out of turn when I say I figure heavily into that story. There are lots of cool surprises and twists coming up.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Robert-Picardo...te-1001369.aspx

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I have a hard time believing that Sarah would simply sleep with someone for the sake of physical need. I think she would be more considerate based on how she knows Chuck's feelings. I always got the impression that the Mi:6 guy was more in pursuit of Sarah, than the other way around though.

Could you provide a hyperlink to the TOS. Thanks.

Could Robert Picardo be papa Bart? And could he have had a big part in creating the original Intersect?

<<truthseekr bites her nails>>

Has anyone had thoughts on the 3-D episode promo that is out? I can't stop watching it b/c it's the only new Chuck I've had in four weeks now. It's like the comic-con Season 2 montage.

And uh, Ms. Strahovski is "quite lovely" in her "evening wear" (Keeping it PG, yo...)

As considerate of Sarah's feelings that Chuck was when Jill came to visit?

The TOS are pinned at the top of the Forum in the post that says:

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http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?showtopic=760134

I'm all for a big Intersect arc if it'll mean the angsty will they/won't they aspect of the relationship takes a back seat. I could deal with it if for the rest of the season Sarah and Chuck grow together through experience, as long as it's clear to all that that's what's happening.

Sarah had by that time told Chuck several times that there was no chance of a real relationship between them. Once she even managed to lie while under the effects of a truth serum. Despite his feeling for her Chuck had to believe she was sincere. With Jill he thought he had a chance to revive what he considered a "normal" girl nerd-boy nerd relationship. He still had feelings for her and needed to revisit that chapter in his life to put himself at peace. That made him an easy mark for Jill.

While his relationship with Jill may have hurt Sarah, she has to share responsibility for that by acknowledging the fact that she rejected him.

In the end, he saved her from being shot by Jill and apprehended Jill which gave him closure to a tough time in his life and a chance for a fresh start in this new life which might include Sarah.

Obviously, I was fine with the way the Jill arc played out and saw no problem justifying Chuck's actions during those episodes.

Chuck did not know that Sarah loves him. In fact, he believed otherwise. Sarah on the other hand does know that Chuck loves her as he has made that very clear. She may not believe that she can trust him to be there for her because she has been abandoned by everyone in her life before but hopefully she will not trivialize his love by just having a meaningless fling. It would be fine however if Chuck is put into a position where he must fight for her and prove his devotion.

Why does everyone seem to forget that Sarah wasn't the only one who did the rejecting? (2.03)

I agree...they have been showing us all season how Sarah has become fiercely protective of Chuck, physically as well as emotionally. I think it would kill her to think she was the cause of the same kind of pain she heard in his voice when he questioned Jill about sleeping with Bryce (Sarah had a strong reaction upon hearing that conversation).

I also don't think Sarah would sleep with someone just out of need...that would seem to go against the character growth we've seen in her. She's coming to terms that she has very real and very strong feelings for Chuck. It would be a huge step back for her to turn her back on that and have a meaningless fling. Maybe there will be a temptation, but I think Sarah has realized her own feelings enough that she will not act on any of those temptations. She made it clear to Bryce that there would be no "Mr. and Mrs. Anderson"...she could have slept with him if she were that casual about it.

After ruminating on TOS, and our discussions earlier this afternoon (those items still posted, and those now removed), it occurs to me that POA maybe right after all. Charah will never be consummated. Our boy is going to be one unhappy puppy, forever. Unless the cover relationship becomes a cover marriage that somehow must yield . . . cover children.. See a recent post at the Chuck versus The Google Group site.

Hi all!

I'm not sure whether it's approved "spoiler site" but there's a short article about Dominic Monaghan's character on Chuck at tv.com (dated 10/22/08). I was watching the preview for 3D and saw the name "Tyler Martin" flashing on the screens at the Buy More, so I decided to google it.

Sounds like his character isn't quite Driveshaft material...

And I was so hoping for a rousing rendition of "You All Everybody".

And it was so considerate of him to make a point of letting Sarah know that he spent an amazing night with Jill and how he thought that Jill was "normal" the implication being that Sarah was not.l Obviously I was not fine with the way the Jill arc played out and had allot of problems with Chuck's actions during those episodes, and I believe that there are a few people who feel the same way. As for Chuck not knowing that Sarah loves him and in fact he believed otherwise, I thought that the whole reason for the "talk" in the Breakup episode was because Sarah was getting too close to Chuck emotionally.

I think the reason for the talk was that Chuck felt (per his conversation with Bryce) he was getting too emotionally attached. He talks about how he's the one who's fooled the most. And we had that beautiful reaction shot of Sarah really upset but trying to hide it.

I maintain that the "break-up" was Sarah and Bryce. She had firmly chosen Chuck by the end of that episode and Chuck, instead of making the smart (and probably telling) move and saying "Look we can't be together because I don't want to put you in danger, chose some confusing nonsense about him fooling himself into believing he could have something that he now thinks he can't (in that moment.)

One thing I kinda wouldn't mind seeing is his shock and awe in Santa Claus turning into a catalyst for something like a flash in that he all of a sudden knows everything about a situation and have him ask her "Do you really love me enough to kill for me?" Then I'd like her get all flustered and have a freudian slip.

Since Bryce told Chuck that Sarah had feelings for him and one of the big scenes was that Sarah was unable to "take the shot" when Elf Queen had Chuck, I am going to disagree. The breakup was when Chuck had the talk with Sarah because she was getting too close to Chuck.


I would too would like to see him ask her if she really loved him enough to kill for him. After all of the times that he has told her that he should have trusted her it would be nice if this once he did trust her enough to know that she had to have a good reason for killing Mauser and then actually figure out what that reason could be.

Chuck had the talk with Sarah because Bryce told him that her getting too close to Chuck was going to get her killed. He did it to protect her (in his mind). I am not saying that the whole Jill thing was the right move on Chuck's part but it was a necessary move in order for him to close one door and open another. Personally, I think they could have left the sex out of it and it would have been even better. It was not necessary for him to cross that line to move the story forward but that is the way it was written.

It would be a shame to make that mistake twice.

I get the feeling that it's going to be Sarah's turn to be the one that cools their intensifying relationship. It could mirror the last scene in vs. Break Up, where Sarah, for her and Chuck's own good, could tell Chuck why they wouldn't work out. Except, maybe, Chuck won't take it as well.
But, seriously, how long are the writers going to do this little dance? It's really getting old, and reaching a breaking point of believability. I hope the writers/ producers realize this show has the makings of Chuck and Sarah turning into a Mr. and Mrs. Smith-type of couple- and that would not be a bad thing AT ALL! Just because they get together and consumate the relationship doesn't mean they won't have problems. They would have to hide their love from Casey, Beckman, and the bad guy/ FULCRUM agent of the week. They might also have to battle the little things that make relationships so hard, like taking one for granted. There's so much more that can be explored beyond the "will they/ won't they" plot device. The Turk and Carla relationship from SCRUBS is a great example of how it can be handled. That couple loves each other, but every week they have some conflict that leads to a funny crisis. The writers can do that, to some extent, with Chuck and Sarah.

I still maintain that CHUCK should end in season 3 or 4, just so it ends on a high note and leaves without wearing out it's welcome, or jumping the shark. Then they could do a CHUCK comedy-spy action movie (if "Sex and the City" got it's own movie (which wasn't terrible)- why not CHUCK?)
I can see the teaser posters now:
*Agent Walker (with her looking hotter than ever holiding a gun on one hand and three of those little throwing knives she carries on her ankle in another)
*Agent Casey (with him wearing his NSA G-man outfit, looking ruthless),
*Agent Carmichael (Chuck sporting a goofy grin while wearing a tuxedo with a pocket protector in a geeky way, holding a pencil like a gun)
A movie would also allow the writers to raise the stakes: major characters can get shot, or killed; a massive shootout at the Buy More (with missle launches and heavy machine guns) could leave it destroyed; the plot could revolve around the "kill order" on Chuck; or Chuck having the mother of all flashes about an "end of the world" situation; or him being finally captured by FULCRUM.
Bottom line: the CHUCK franchise has a lot of potential that goes WAY BEYOND the Chuck and Sarah romance. I REALLY, REALLY hope the Warner Bros./ NBC suits understand that and act on it!

I have to agree with Silo about the Charah relationship. As fun as it is seeing both of them in awkward positions and sharing what appear to be real emotions you could do the same if they were together and hiding it from Casey and Beckman. Actually, it would probably be even better because they would have to get very creative to hide it from Casey. Picture Sarah going out the Morgan door in one of colorful revealing outfits and running into Captain Awesome or Morgan. That would be hillarious!

That being said, I have to disagree with you on the show only being able to run three to four years for it to end on a high note. In my opinion the fate of the spy aspect of the show will all depend on how solid the writing for the Dark Intersect arc is. If he is able to use both intersects together it would make him even more valuable. It may also need to be hidden from Beckman as now he won't be able to be replaced and it would give her more of a reason to relocate him. Maybe only revealing that he has access to the Dark Intersect's secrets to Sarah would bring them even closer together. There are many ways to add deception, romance, comedy, etc. to the show to keep all the members of this thread happy and have the show move along and grow for many more seasons. In the end though it all comes down to ratings. Another strike would probably kill Chuck.

like in vs. Seduction and vs Delorean. He came back for her both times

Hey, I've been reading these threads for quite some time and I just wanted to say that has anyone else pointed or noticed that in the promo video, when the narrator says "You'll feel the love of a beautiful woman.", just because it shows Sarah climbing on top of Chuck, does it necessarily mean that Sarah is the beautiful woman he'll feel love from? I thought this could be something to ponder over because knowing the writers, they've obviously somehow twisted the way we may have perceived the video.
Who knows, maybe this could be to provide angst or something but personally speaking, it wouldn't surprise me, if we've gotten the wrong end of the stick much like Sarah being swept off her feet by MI6 guy.

But I'm really interested in finding out what could be happening with the Dark Intersect and what problems/aids this could cause for Charah.

I'm guessing that scene in the promo with Sarah climbing on top of Chuck is probably one of those cheesy fantasy sequences which we've all come to love!

Great point about the importance of the Dark Intersect, Soulemanrx. And I totally agree that another strike will unfairly doom CHUCK. However, as CHUCK is currently constituted (working at Buy More, "will they/won't they"), those scenarios can only last so long. FULCRUM has already attacked the Buy More in one way, or another three times now. The audience won't buy (at least I won't), say in Season 6, for Chuck to still be working at the Buy More facing the same challenges of keeping undercover. Which means that at some point, the story they're telling will dictate for them to change things up dramatically to allow the characters to grow in ways that make sense (Chuck and Sarah moving forward romantically, Chuck moving forward professionally from the Buy More-why would a Stanford grad stay working there that long- really, FULCRUM threats, or a THIRD PARTY becoming more intense. And if Chuck leaves Buy More, how do you work Buy More plots-which are a great element of the show-into the show without taking away from the story at hand?)
I LOVE CHUCK! And the sharp, creative minds that produce the show are doing a great job. But when a show runs too long, it becomes the X-Files. No one cares about Mulder and Scully anymore (the fact that their last movie bombed badly proves that.) The logical thing to do with CHUCK is to take it as far as they can, and end it BEFORE they become the X-Files- which I see it as season 3, 4, or perhaps even 5 (which would be great for syndication). If they end CHUCK on a high, they can spin CHUCK off into movies. The whole 'Intersect' concept is that solid.

OMG---

I just read that Fletch himself is going to be on a 3 ep. stint of Chuck!!!

In keeping with the rules of the bboard, I won't reveal anything other than . . .

I'd like to get in my "chevy" and "chase" a few bartowskis.

I agree. I hope that for the 3rd season (well hope for it ) we will see a permanent add to team chuck, and i hope is gonna be agent forrest (tricia helfer in ep 18) and it will give another twist in chuck's life, especially when he's trying to have a real relationship with Sarah but he has to cover ups with the other agent...I really hope the writers will learn that ebing together will actually make the series way more entertaining and unpredictable.
On a side note, yesterday i had this crazy thought for an episode, and i thought one day at OO Sarah's real sister will show up ,(evangeline lily oh man i love her) freaking out Sarah cause she can blow up her cover for good there. Chuck gets in the OO and she notice them hugging, ofcourse Sarah tell him that she is her sister, who in her turn looks back to Chuck and give him an intense look. Chuck flashes on her, but he hides it well, cause he discovers that she's part of criminal organization (not fulcrum), he contacts Casey but he begs him not to tell Sarah. Tehy decide to contact the general and see what they could do. General tells Chuck to get more comfy with her, trying to get more info or maybe flash on something. OF course Sarah get suspicious , so tails Chuck and she's is dismayed to discover that chuck is seeing her sister tonite. Furious goes on to confront them, good thing Casey is there to stop her abd let her know what's going on. And so on......


Sorry my ignorance, but who's Fletch??

Chevy Chase to guest star on Chuck!!

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Chevy-Chase-Guest-1001672.aspx

Spies Like Us' Chevy Chase has been tapped to infiltrate Chuck.

Chevy Chase has signed on for a three-episode arc on NBC's Chuck, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

On the Warner Bros. TV-produced Chuck, Chase will play a mega-billionaire technology mogul who is accused by Chuck's father of stealing his ideas.

The funnyman's latest projects on TV included guest spots on Brothers & Sisters and Law & Order. He will also be appearing in features Not Another Not Another Movie and Stay Cool, both to be released in 2009.

Are you excited to see Chevy on a comedy show again?





This is great news!And I guess we know which Bartowski parent we will be seeing.
*this spoiler should be fine since it came from TVGuide*

Back in 1985, there was a movie that changed all spymedies that followed. Taglines for this genius film included:

"Meet the only guy who changes his identity more often than his underwear."

AND

"Fletch. Until last week, he was just another mild-mannered reporter fighting for truth, justice and a window office. Now he's being threatened, shot at, accused and arrested. And that's by the people he's trying to help. But there's still one thing even more dangerous than his work. His love life."

Okay, it wasn't that great a movie, but we still have our 80s nostalgia intact . . .

Does Fletch sound anything like our beloved nerd?

That's a great scenario, Taliesinjoe. I could totally see that being a CHUCK episode. But it makes me wonder, if Sarah does have a sister, she's probably a half-sister, or something like that, because otherwise she would've been mentioned in the vs. Delorean episode. From the dialogue of that episode, it sounded as if Sarah and her dad were alone.
But I love the concept, and it would be a nice little "betrayal of trust" episode to drive Chuck and Sarah apart.

Oh wow. Looks like the producers are going all out for this arc, that's good!! Robert Picardo, now Chevy Chase, now i wonder who's gonan be Chuck' s dad?? Any bets? i'll go for Josh Brolin or Robert Wagner.
Ty Silo, i know it's pretty raw but it could be a fun episode, and of course Charah at the end again, cause poor chuck was kinda forced to date the evil sister...still Sarah will have her payback lol. I won't say how

Hey all, great to see everyone is still posting like crazy...

For me, the show is about Chuck, and Charah comes in second to Chuck, imo. I think the staying power of the show ultimately lies with the development of Chuck, regardless of whether or not Charah is consummated. I really hope the writers hold off on that until well after the ILYs are more in the open, which would stay truer to Chuck's character. I like what some have posted in regards to stronger plotlines outside of Charah, ie the Intersect/Fulcrum stuff. I think that now Charah has so many people hooked, it is time to develop other plotlines. Don't get me wrong, I am insanely crazy about Charah (I've watched Chayne's vid I drove all Night like ten times already!), but I fell in love with the show based upon the first ep, where I felt an immense pull toward the character, Chuck. I want to see more stuff aimed at challenging him directly, via Fulcrum/CIA/Intersect. I think that Chuck is unique in his ability to "carry" the Intersect (I always wondered why the "kill order", you'd think they'd want to study him and find out more about his ability). I can see s3 and s4 developing the "spy" aspect of Chuck's character, in addition to moving Charah along, and the comedy will be seen in Chuck's stumbling efforts and in the Buy More characters. Beyond s4, however, I think we would have to say goodbye to Buy More, it just isn't realistic within the context of the show that Chuck wouldn't use his degree and move up the career ladder. At that point, the show would move more into the drama slant, and maybe we'd see less comedy, which is okay, imo.

Nice catch on the similarities to Fletch. Even though he doesn't change his identiies that much. It definitely is the 'fish out of water' in a spy game them.

Well I know that the ratings are still going to have a lot to do with it but with the upcoming storylines and constant big name guest stars, I don't see how we're not going to have a season 3.

Feb. 2nd needs to get here quickly because I think that my head is about to explode with all of the anticipation!

I have a feeling that Chuck's dad is going to be a good guy who was just trying to protect his kids. I also think that whatever it is that we find out about him, it will also lead to Chuck wanting a more "non-normal" spy life, maybe leading Sarah, Casey, and Gen. Beckman starting to trust him a little more.

Does anyone else find it weird that Chuck doesn't get paid some sort of salary from either the CIA or NSA? I would be pissed if I had to put that much work into covering up everything from my sister, have my life put in danger on a regular basis, clock in all those extra hours and get nothing out of it. I guess they got him a degree from Stanford for his troubles but what's the good if he can't use it.

Also, the point about him having to leave the Buy More eventually is definitely a valid one. I mean his sister gives him crap about it all the time. Now that he has a degree from Stanford you think she would really be putting the pressure on for him to leave. How are the writers going to justify all this?

Ok, the writer in me easily explains away the lack of compensation for Mr. Bartowski...

Chuck is a secret (albeit, it seems not the best kept one) but since Fulcrum has infiltrated the CIA, NSA, FBI, LAPD and several private sector industries (including the pharmacuical and bio tech) Chuck's name CANNOT appear in any official information, such as payrolls, allocations of funds, or staff lists (note in v. the Sensei, when Casey used Chuck to open the Castle door, the computer listed NOT KNOWN.

It is also the reason I believe they haven't pulled Sarah off the mission yet, (come on, they know something is up there with her and Chuck) but because things are still working, they do not want to risk widening the circle of who knows Chuck is the Intersect. Fulcrum is still looking for Bryce, for that.

That's a good argument there, i think if he's gonna be staying along the ride and play the human intersect for good, well he is way more then an asset, so he needs to be paid imo. About the Buymore situation, they need to do something about it , cause, as u said, his sister is always on his back keeping him pestering why he keeps staying there, especially now that his has his degree. Maybe they could promote him ass.man or even manager too in that case, but Buymore location imo is compromised now, Fulcrum now suspect alot , they should either put more government ppl as coverups in the store, or give Chuck another cover job.

hey Chayne , did u get a look at my scenario some post before? what do u think? it's plausible? funny? I appreciate ur comments there

Some opinions about this have been said before. The NSA/CIA are already spending alot of money protecting him. Wherever there is a money trail then they are probably worried it would get traced back to Chuck. Also he is considered an asset, not an agent.

It's sad they are going to have to leave the Buy More eventually. But as you said it is compromised, Fulcrum won't stop. One way to take the crew with him is to open his own computer store/operation. That's his dream anyway isn't it. It would get his sis off his back about doing something bigger and he could bring some of the Buy More crew with him. Namely: Jeff, Lester, and Anna to fix computers. Morgan could do sales (i.e. trying to setup contracts with companies for service, etc.) which would actually be hillarious because he is such a horrible salesman. John would have to come along, well because he's the muscle. I can't really figure out where Big Mike figures into this being such a Buy More die hard, but it's a possibility.

So u telling me that someone like Prof Flemming, an asset that recruited ppl in Stanford, wasn't getting paid?

now that i like a lot man, and it's totally possible in terms of storyline. I would put Casey in charge as ass.man, Chuck of course is the boss . only thing is Sarah, cause if the new store is in the same plaza, np there, but if not , they need to relocate OO near him.

Silo, I like where your head's at! I totally agree with you about wanting to see the character development all the way through in hopeful seasons to come; beyond Buy More, beyond Chuck the Asset (instead perhaps Chuck the Agent). I made a similar comment about the Mr. & Mrs. Smith potential of Chuck awhile back in this thread. This show has a lot of potential, I think it's why we all love it so much!

Tricia Helfer, Robert Picardo, AND Chevy Chase!! gotta love this casting...

I think too much of the image and tone of the show is invested in the Buy More for them to move on. As Chuck's usefullness as an asset develope the Buy More will just become more of a cover thing to him. He already doesn't seem to care much about it. At some point he may be considered a real agent or analyst, with pay, and the Buy More will remain as his "day job" mainly just because it is rich in comedy to give up on. I would expect Ellie would eventually become aware of his government work and not needle him so much about moving on.

They can make Sarah have her own real estate agency- Virtual Realty, across from Chuck's Computer store. It's a perfect cover for her, she moves up professionally, flexible schedule, and she doesn't really have to a lot of sell houses, just enough to keep her cover. Besides, in the Pilot episode, she said she had a real estate appointment and that's why she left Chuck her number. Perhaps it could be an interest of her cover-self. Plus, some of those real estate agents are very stylish and hot, which means they can give Sarah a wardrobe upgrade of much finer clothing. And, the best part of this cover...official people like Casey and others out in public can actually call her AGENT WALKER, and say it's just because she's a real estate agent.

It seems prity well known among all the back up people that he is a analist. He could be payed as a freelance analist. He could also demand a better cover job. He could also make other demands on how he wonts to live his life.

The CIA budget (and likely the NSA budget) at the granular level is a secret, as is the payroll of its officers in the clandestine service. I have previously posted on this thread's other parts on this Board that TPTB have to move Chuck from the Buymore, though he could still be in the same complex, as a computer consultant with a knock-out assistant.

As I have posted about the 2d season to come elsewhere with the additional info that we now have, the writers are likely moving Chuck to action. In this regard, lol, isn't it funny that Sarah and Casey are as much a prisoner of Chuck for their knowledge of him, as he is of them. And, if he goes, so do they! Maybe they all go rogue to save themselves.

There is a famous literary analogy from Asimov vis Sarah and Chuck. I will ruminate on it elsewhere.