I believe that KARR will have something to do with the Mike's past that he can't remember.

Wondering if maybe the writers will fix K.I.T.T.'s Dash Board Voice Interface? The Virtual eyeball int he center of the dash board just doesnt do K.I.T.T justice. Any chance you will change it? Maybe something close to the 80's version?

I saw tonights episode and I'm very interested in what they do but I wanted to say a few things about what you said.

MVAUTODUNN there are a couple of things wrong with ur plot.
1. Garth's mother should either be dead or decripit by now its been more than 25 years since her and were together took on micheal and kitt.
(I mention that she had already past away)

2. The old a.i. has been transfered into a different body than the old trans am in knight rider 2000.
(The idea is that the "movie" foundation goes belly up and kitt was again dismantled)

3. The foundation isn't the same foundation like in the old days so that foundation building and the knight industries building should have been destroyed by now.
(We all know that many times that buildings sit for years if noone wants them with old equipment.)

4.You said nearly destroying the new kitt so the new one wouldn't have to be rebuilt.
(take in the idea that the parts of KITT we saw in Greymans garage was him rebuilding the old KITT, they would use KITT while they "fix" KI3T)

5. Even if you are in a coma you still age so that would mean garth would have to as old as the old micheal. (Not sure that matters, but that would explain why he looks as old as micheal sr)

6.No person can be in a coma for 25 years someone would eventually pull his plug.
(Anyone with enough money and desire can keep someone as long as they can pay or decide its not worth it, didn't we have a huge court case a few years ago about that?)

7. The old micheal already said why he left micheal and his mom in the pilot movie you know the tv movie.
(He never really said "why". We know that if he was still working and what happened to the first wife we know why, it would be nice to have that "interaction" with his father. It was only said he had "obligations" that even he couldn't give up even for him.

LOOK deep inside the eyeball into the red lines and realize that the original display is STILL being used.... look carefully. its there and for me, it's grown on me.. but its still the original, just in a different style.

Are the Knight Automated Roving Robot and Knight Auto-cybernetic Roving Robotic-exoskeleton one and the same?

On one hand, seeing the progress that had made with this KARR, you would quickly say yes. But it would be very ironic that this KARR would have the same programming fault of self-preservation as the original. And if they didn't have any previous encounter, why would this KARR go out of his way to try and destroy (this) KITT?

The Knight 2000 series did have the ability of wireless internet, for a lack of a better term, seeing as they were active in a time when such things didn't excist yet. Without his vehicle body, the CPU could never have send a strong enough signal to do anything. Suppose that KARR lay buried in the rubble he was put in by Michael and KITT for many years, just being there doing nothing. Then suddenly he came in reach of a mobile phone network and the ability to surf the net... KARR should have been smart enough to find a way to work himself back into the FLAG frame and become the next prototype of the next model of Knight Industries. And get himself a new (better) body.

I have to say, with the current voice modulator, I half-expect KITT to say "Hello, Dave!".

Hmm... interesting spin...

If this series is a continuation of the old series, then I don't find it very logical that Graiman would repeat the mistake he made when he allowed KARR to be self-serving. With that said, I believe that KARR has somehow found a way to survive and obtain a new body. I think that KARR will be around for a while, provided that he is as dangerous as they said he is (killed 7 people). I am a bit confused as to how the girl is linked to KARR. Does KARR have people working for him, or does some other rougue orginaztion controll him? I can't wait to see how this plays out.

After reading the episode recap, it may be that this KARR could be different from the one seen in the original series. Given that Mike has some sort of memory of KARR leads me to believe that KARR was some sort of military experiment that was used in Iraq, which would explain Mike's recollection of him. Also, the fact that Graiman mentioned that having KITT's brain in KARR's body would make him the ultimate weapon, further suggests that KARR has a military connection. His exoskelton also looks like a roving military android/drone. I think fans will be somewhat disappointed if KARR turns out to be a drone or android instead of a rival, antagonistic vehicle. It just won't be the same. We'll see.

This show sucks and if they have any dreams of salvaging it: Stop with the quick shaky camera movements, get acting coaches, fire the writers and find some people who have actually seen the original series, stop trying to sell the crap out of Ford, stop with the blatant skin shots (ok, sex sells but good story lines and good acting sell better), and finally, bring in the Hoff to kick some ass!!!

Every opening sequence of this show makes me want to vomit. I tivo it and am about to stop my tivo from continuing to record it. It's the passionate fans of the original that continue to watch it just in hopes that it gets better, but I really don't think it has any chance of making it. I don't think that anybody else is tuning in and it's only a matter of time before NBC and Ford realize the huge mistake they made. I guess the dumbing down of American society has a lot to do with it unfortunately. Other shows are following suit. Terminator on Fox advertises the crap out of Dodge and even did an entire show with only Dodge commercials. I guess all of us 'smart' people have to cope with this fact and get by in a dumbed down America. Wish the writers of this show were smart and not pressured to be dumb by the media and celebrities, then we would have a good show on our hands and not a blatant sex and car advertisement. EITHER FIX THIS SHOW OR CANCEL IT!!!! Don't put a bad memory of Knightrider in people's minds.

The new Knightrider show makes David Hasselhoff cry!!!!!!!

Compare this to TKR (TEAM KNIGHT RIDER), which I've recently had the unpleasure to watch this is far above what that show was and better than the KR 2000 movie. I have to admit that car makers are trying to shove cars in our faces that in our current (economic times) cannot afford, or get loans for. I wish they would cut it out but I'm not going to downplay this show as a result. Each episode has been getting better, and better and as long as they continue to develop the story and the characters I think we will see another great knight rider. I mean how many years has power rangers ran? That show went from cheesy to ok to so cheesy my kids won't watch it. I do kinda miss the old "could you not say trans-am" on the show mentality but we all know marketing is what car makers depend on. So far the shows ratings are very good for the time slot and unlike some other car shows (Viper which you never knew when it was going to show) with tivo and DVR options most of us have we will continue to record it and enjoy. I would say give it a chance through at least this season and hopefully early next before you make final decisions. As it is most of the major automakers may not survive as they are right now. This car maybe a relic of our times.

I think the return of KARR would be cool. Maybe the robot we saw is like the evolved form of KARR, or perhaps the AI could've been transferred from the T/A into the robot. Who knows?

Garth, I definitely don't want to see him. The idea of KITT having an evil twin is fine, as cars can be mass produced. The idea of Michael having an evil twin who isn't even related to him is one I always found stupid, even when I watched the original as a kid.

KARR, yes. Garth Knight, no!

It doesn't bother me. If they were to put in the old voice interface from the 80s, everyone would call it cheesy retro. Better to have an updated version that somewhat approximates the original, like with 08!KITT's optical scanners; they're different, but fans of the old series know what they are.

I won't be disappointed if it's the old KARR's CPU in a more advanced body and he's burning for revenge against anyone named KITT or Michael.

There is one person who could of found KARR's CPU, and this is a big leap. But in Season 2 of the 1980's series we were introduced to Garth Knight, in the episode Goliath Returns Goliath was destroyed but it didn't mention anything about Garth. He could be still alive and my have found KARR's CPU.

I know its a big leap but it could be possable.

but I was a question for the writers for Knight Rider..

Why did they change the name of KARR from the Knight Automated Roving Robot to the Knight Auto-cybertronic Roving Robot?

Why did they change the name of KARR from the Knight Automated Roving Robot to the Knight Auto-cybertronic Roving Robot?
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I don't think tht they changed the name of KARR. I think that this is a second KARR.

Hello again everyone.

This time around I'm going to fling myself headlong into the debate arena and ask that ever imposing question that needs a topic all it's own:

What do you think they are planning with KARR? Could it be the original? How? Is it a new KARR? Why? What do you think of his design (given that a Trans Am is out of the question thanks to Pontiac/GM)? And ultimately, what do you think could happen?

_{I'm unsure if anyone else caught it, I'm sure some of you must have, but if you rewatch frame-by-frame the scene in which KI3T shows blueprints of KARR on the screen, it starts with an actual car then in each blueprint becomes more and more like his final form (as if he transformed over time from a car to the android-like form).}

Personally, I am a fan of entertainment. I don't like spoilers and I don't like to guess that which you know will come. I just sit back, relax, and enjoy. I'll form my opinions on what was displayed afterwards.

As for the question itself. I do hope the KARR is the original KARR. (And not just because I hope that that means that they will reprise Peter Cullen for the voice ). The Knight Industries were designs far ahead of their time. Now that the rest of the world has caught up, things could get interesting. I've seen people complain about the fact that KARR in this series is a robot of sorts. Aside from the fact that the word Robot is in his name, it is actually a logical progression, if this is the original KARR. As the original series explained it, KARR has a way of using people for his own purpose and if possible change them to do his bidding. And that is simply due to the fact that as a car, his precise actions are very limited. It would be a viscious circle for KARR. He is by definition a loner, and programmed for self-preservation. Yet he NEEDS human interaction to keep himself running and to execute any action or mission he wants to achive. If he could evolve into something more self-sustaining, like an android, to have limbs and more mobility, if would be much more equal to his personality. Not to mention that it does make him more dangerous and more powerful then he's ever been. Certainly something KARR would like to obtain...

At the end of the episode KITT v KARR after Karr is destroyed we see his CPU lying undamaged on the floor with the LED blinking. My thought is that someone discovered it and created a new shell for it (the robot), could it be that Garth is still out there?

You know, even if Garthe would still be out there, I don't think dealing with KARR would be his game.

I would rather expect someone like Marco Berio to search for KARR. And since according to the episode 'Killer K.I.T.T.', Berio was a former employee of FLAG/Knight Foundation who has intimate knowledge of KITT²'s inner workings, one could suspect he was also on the team that initially created KARR.

But like I said earlier, with the growing mobile network that KARR should have eventually been able to tap into since the mid to late 90's, it could be that KARR found a way to pull himself back together, which would fit his profile much better, I think.

You've basically hit the nail on the head as far as I see it in regards to KARR. I believe it makes perfect sense that he's an android-like creature now- it also makes him more interesting. I quite like the upgrade.

ok if this is a new KARR who would want to rebuild him knowing what he is programmed to do? It doesn't make sense, but I did some more thinking and Mike said that he met KARR before. So is KARR part of Mike's past that he doesn't remember...

I just hope they continue with this story because the writers just brought up a bunch of questions that I hope they answer.

Think about the frist movie Parts of Kitt 3000 been stolen. This last show some of Kitt 3000 been stolen? unsure. Frist Karr is in the unknown. Mikes past is still unknown and that one FBI agent is unknown. The only hint is Michael might not like him later.

1 One thing CPU dont hold info even in cache.

2 Hard drive hold info, even over time. broken and formatted they still hold some info untel over written. Alot of crimes been solve due to this fact. When you format they take the frist letter off the files and it formatted. Like File *rime.exe Adding the C will make Crime and you can get parts of the info from it. It not be Whole but the base of the info could be gain from the files.

3 Crimes Been solved by a Broken CD. That been broken in 20 parts. CSI techs glue the parts back and was able to read the info. Which solve a Murder.


To Cypal Remember Mike was a young kid when Micheal knight was in 1980s. I think Karr was rebuilt In Knight rider 2000. I am not 100% sure. I was a kid lol.

I think power rangers is still on with their new one jungle fury. Karr coming back is a good idea but they need to give him more stuff than they did in the original he died so easily in the original that it didn't make any sense since he was suppose as strong as kitt was.

To Cypal Remember Mike was a young kid when Micheal knight was in 1980s. I think Karr was rebuilt In Knight rider 2000. I am not 100% sure. I was a kid lol.
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KR2000 had nothing to do with KARR except that Devon was unhappy that the Knight 4000's programming almost hit a deer in a simulation because it recognized it as a non-threat instead of a life form. But that is a streatch. KARR was never mentioed by name.

What vehicle will Karr be?looked like a dune buggy/dragster,I wonder who will do the voice?what ep does he appear in?

Speaking frankly: I'm pretty sure that we all want it to be a Trans-Am, however that seems unlikely considering that GM/Pontiac wants nothing to do with it... what fools they be...

I think it's very saturated.

It has the original, the KR2000 and the globe which is a 2008 original ALL wrapped in one.

Pick ONE, they don't need all three. The voice modulator from the tele-movie and the KR2000 version works best for me, since it simulates actual technology.

C

Well the pilot did nothing really for modulating voice... not really. I did like the screen display but it lacked the voice visualization that all the other KITTS had and so the series did a good thing I feel. IT's still got the three bars, but its also futuristic.

Remember... the VERY first voice modulator for K.I.T.T. that lasted like 2 years was a FLASHING RED SQUARE.

The red square lasted only a few episodes, not two years.

To me, it's overly complicated; they should just pick one option and go with it. I stand with liking the Audio Scope version most, but if they reverted ONLY to the original voice modulator, I'd be just as pleased.

I'm willing to believe that Graiman-- not Knight Industries or FLAG-- might've rebuilt Karr from his CPU up and intended him for military use, and that's what we saw in Living Dead.

I'm also willing to believe that Graiman thought all the original Karr needed was a better start in life, more attention paid to teaching him what, besides himself, was worth fighting for... and reused key elements of Karr's programming in another AI with the same name. I mean, honestly, it's a really big jump from being programmed to protect yourself and going KILL ALL HUMANS or what have you. Even the original Karr had to be taught to be as bad as he was... although he turned out to be an apt pupil.

The only thing that baffles me is the new acronym. Is it Knight Auto-Cybernetic Roving Robotic Exoskeleton, which would make it Kacrre, or Knight Autocybernetic Roving Robotic Exoskeleton, which would give us Karre, or are the C and the E just kind of left off so we can have Karr, or another Karr, the way the only difference between the two Kitts' names is whether the first T stands for a two or a three? And if he's a whole new character, why not just name him the Knight Auto-Cybernetic Exoskeleton and use the perfectly servicable acronym Kace?

Aside from the nitpicky stuff (and the hoping I'm not being handed another legacy character), I'm quite happy to go along for the ride and see what happens. *grins*

I'm kinda back and forth with what might come out the K.A.R.R. we saw in this episode. Exoskeleton would indicate it would still need a "driver" and the AI would be support and control of the systems. I hope they make this a "real" bad enemy. It reminded me of the REX from metal gear. The recent notice that the 2 fbi agents and sarah's father will not return for season 2 might have something to do with K.A.R.R. I'm going to keep watching at the edge of my seat.

From the first they started talking about KARR I was anxious to see what they would show he was. Since, after all, he was KITT 1.0's prototype in the original series and therefore also a Trans-Am. I was pretty disappointed to see he was turned into some kind of transformer and then realized that they also changed what KARR stood for. Then in thinking about it more, realized that since KITT now is a Mustang(pretty upset about that too, they could have pre-released the Camaro, at least it would have been a brother to the Trans-Am.....)and that GM is obviously not anywhere near this series. The change could very well be as simple as they were not allowed to reference or show any form of a whole Trans-Am and therefore had to change what KARR meant. I do realize they showed pieces of the original KITT in the movie in the garage. But they were pieces and as far as I can remember didn't show a Pontiac logo.....anyway, I was pretty sad that they had to change things around but never the less this is yet again a break-through series.

Actually, they showed the whole car in the movie...

Garth was associated with KARR on the PC game of Knight Rider though.

First off everyone is missing some info on KITT, the last episode of the original KR "Voo Doo Knight" did not tell nothing about Michael Knight retiring, only Knight Rider 2000 did that. Yes KITT's AI was put in the new KI4T, however on Team Knight Rider KITT's AI was stolen by Mobius from the situation room. Why just Garth Knight come back and KARR? KARR could be in his original body as his parts was left out in the desert. The Hoff did want KI2T back in his original body in KR 2000, but a chip was missing. Just because KITT was dismantled does not mean his MBS does not work. I would suggest bring back Garth and Goliath, KARR in his original body, KRO and his driver(somehow) vs. Michael Knight and his son, KI3T, original KI4T with the cop woman, KI2T after getting him back from Mobius in his original body, Dante, Domino, Attack Beast, Plato, Kat and their drivers as well as Bonnie and April.

I believe they are making more practical sense on the mythology of a prototype to KITT this time around. With KARR, we see he is no standard vehicle, his A.I. is paralyzed now that he carries no neural network. This is a stripped down version of what KITT basically is. Now, with the backstory on KARR's assault and killing 7 people, I'm going to have to say it was due to a hack. There is no way they would screw up this royally, similarly in the way the first series explained KARR's warpath.


And please please please don't let this KARR be the original. It will make this show more ridiculous than it has to be.

the viper has already been used back in the days with the show V.I.P.E.R. . . i believe pontiact didnt want the trans am used any more so what better care then the iconic mustang i dont see why people would have an issues with this i love the car so im happy with it

I still think Mobius WAS Garthe Knight. His broken body being the result of Goliath going over the cliff with him in it. The KITT of TKR did say that he knew Mobius very well, after all. So at the very least it could have been someone we had seen in the original series.

BTW, KITT's MBS was removed by season 4.

They put it back, cos he was still driving through walls. It sprays right on, you just have to know how to make it.

KITT's shell itself was always bulletproof and made of a strong material. So he could still crash into normal walls and stuff. But they took out the formula for the MBS and gave KITT the Super Persuit Mode to compensate. The writers did this to add an extra element of Danger to KITT and Michael, because the general notion was that the stories would have gotten dull if there was no chance of hurting either KITT or Michael.

Shelby's are classic American cars. The Corvette wouldn't have worked because it has no feel to it. Not to mention when they go on chases off road the corvette would be a pathetic choice to use. As for popularity, gurantee you that the Shelby has more fans than the Corvette. The Shelby has been here way longer than the corvette and the fans are die hard fans. The Shelby was a perfect choice for K.I.T.T. and I am thrilled it is.

I'm hooked on the Shelby. Even before the pilot, I wanted one of my own. :] Now KITT solidifies my goal of acquiring one (or at least driving one) someday.

my choice for kitt would have been a nissan 350z but since it isn't made from an american made car company like pontiac and ford is. So it wasn't picked for the show. The corvette isn't all that special it has been seen in a ton magazines and in a couple of movies like tokyo drift and redline. Im guessing the producers of the show wanted a car for the show that nobody has seen or recognized. Muscle cars can beat exotics like the corvette any day without nitrous. Also you cant really add upgrades to an exotic car like the corvette. Exotic cars can go up to 200mph. Muscle cars can be tuned with the right mod parts to go over 250mph.

I like the new KITT. Granted, the original KITT will probably always be the best since that's what everyone bases their opinions on, but this is the new KITT for THIS generation. I guess what I'm trying to say is DAMN, KITT looks good! And he sounds even better! I don't know if I could imagine him as anything else now..

IMO, I would prefer KITT to be a car that is slick, streamlined, but tough. The trans-am did that. However, it came down to FORD offering the most advertising money, and thats the way they go now a days. It's why I miss the 80's, back then it was more about the show then it was about the money.

I mean, I like Mustangs, but I'd never in a million years see KITT in that form, so it's always a bit distracting.

Talking about a car's power and popularity is one thing, imagining a supercar is another.

Since the Trans-am is no longer in production, I did wish they'd chosen a car that was cheaper to manufacture, so they would be more willing to do real-time stunts with the cars. And as I've said, as well as many others; let's get some practical turbo boost and Ski-mode shots into the show, even if just every couple of episodes, and put a KITT body over a cheap-a$$ chassis.

C

In "Knight of the Juggernaut" he lost his MBS for that episode as a result of Devon, not being the real Devon Miles. Devon was drugged to give out the base component of KITT's MBS to fragment KITT's shell, Bonnie needed the real Devon and the other guy who knew the other element to remake the MBS, as the third person was killed when Elizabeth Knight and Garth drugged him for his element of the formula. Therefore, the MBS was most likely reapplied without them showing it being done after they got the real Devon Miles back. As tedious as it may seem KITT should be able to analyze his outer skin to tell what elements were used in making up his shell. As he said before Goliath was armored with his shell.