Kitt lost his MBS and anything on him that was made of plastic or melt-able in Junk Yard Dog in season three, too, and they sprayed the MBS back on him once he was rebuilt. His shell is just a Trans Am, it's that coat of bulletproof lacquer that lets him barrel through walls. And cars. And trucks. And anything else that's interesting to barrel through.

I was under the impression that it was the MBS that made the shell endure the acid, as it was said that the acid normally would eat through anything, including steel. And if you look at the episode, everything that wasn't protected by the coating was indeed destroyed...apart from the tires, but we'll let that one slide.
What they sprayed on KITT later on was just black paint.

That's how I always viewed it.

Well, it wasn't acid, either, it was toxic waste. And if it were going to eat through everything that wasn't MBSed, it would've left his windshield alone-- all the glass was MBS-coated, too. However, you're right that the black paint isn't the MBS-- Kitt was fully MBSed when he was still in primer, and the MBS on Goliath was gray. So all in all, it's kind of a confusing question.

*headtilts* I may just have to add 'MBS' to Firefox's dictionary, as the little red lines are starting to get silly.

I don't know....in reality,KITT could've been any popular muscle car.Maybe even a diffrent variant.The Saleen S281 might do.

I hate to prove you wrong, but the Corvette was around before the Shelby. Carroll Shelby himself was around, but he didn't start making Shelbys till 1962, the Corvette first appeared in 1953. And the first street cars of Shelby didn't start appearing until 1964, and they were the GT 350

It a sign of the times man,I personal love what they have done with the show and far it for me to be a tv critic all though i have spent many hrs in front of the tv but if you ask me they have taken an old concept and improved on it. They have expanded the story and made it better than what it was. I was tired of seeing the same old effects week after week. I would just like to see bonnie or April from the old show make a cameo. I also would like to add that I'm not really a fan of having Val Kilmir as the voice of KITT ( although he is great at it , PLease don't get me wrong) I just think he is such i big Hollywood star and for him to do voice overs it"s like killing his career ? I'm I wrong ? PLease tell me if i am. IN all I think the show is great I hope it sticks around for at least 5 years. Longer than any last years shows after.

Well thanks for letting me say my peace and I'll be interested in seeing what everybody has to say abou the show.

are you serious ?! the Ford Mustang is THE ultimate muscle car, everything else want's to be a muscle car because of it and of course there's the following problems with the other choices too..

Pontiac GTO - Try Holden manaro, that's all it is - we call it a vauxhall manaro here in the uk.
Chevrolet camaro concept - beaten to the mark by Transformers movie
Dodge viper - too much fibreglass, it'd fall apart.

i understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions - which is just as well as in my personal opinion, i think the trans am is about as good looking as a door stop

Since when did an American Icon car become an exotic? The corvette never was nor will it ever be an exotic. Secondly, because of the weight of muscle cars you will have a very hard time having them reach 250 mph. A z06 hits 195 mph right off the lot. And yes you can upgrade corvettes....just ask Ligenfelter or however you spell it. They have upgraded vettes and hit close to 250. Lastly, very very few cars anyway can hit 250 mph....the last one being the Veyron in 2005 I believe.

stinger1j have you played racing games, the corvette is labeled as an exotic. The corvettes cost like 50 grand so it is an exotic. Exotics are cars that are car that are not owned by big named companys like ford, nissan, toyota,etc and are somewhat rare cars.
I have seen other muscle cars like the impala, camero, dodge viper, and the gtos all in different movies and video games. They probably choose the mustang because it wasn't asscioated(not sure if I spelled it right) with any of those and because ford is also funding it even though ford is doing really bad in sales. There are other cars that can hitt 250 like the car they used in xxx: state of the union it called the cobra something.

you can tune skylines, supra's etc etc to hit 250mph - the Audi R8 was supposed to be capable of it, but i think they bailed on that idea. Corvettes aren't really exotic tbh, you can buy them on ebay lols.

ok...um, you're argument proves my point not yours. If your argument is that to be an exotic it's not owned by one of the big automakers, how do you figure that GM is not one of the big automakers? Secondly, considering that you consider a viper to be a muscle car (which it is not) and that is it 40 thousand more than a corvette you have a lot to prove. This arguement has nothing to do with video games, it has to do with what car or cars the producers and directors wanted to use. They decided on the mustang before ford came on. So I'm assuming from your argument that the Viper is an exotic muscle car?

btw, the corvette starts at $46 thousand and viper at $85 thousand.

Really? Hm, I thought it would make more sense and tie the "universe together" more if it were the Original KARR. But that's just my opinion. :]

The trouble with bringing Karr back into it as a full on self sustaining android is that he should <-- big should, be able to destroy knight industries without too much problem. Already in these first 7 episodes, they've shown that their security is not what someone should expect a secret government agency to be ! The problem being that if Karr destroys the lab / knight industries..that'd kinda be the end of the show !

There's no way Ki3t would be able to deal with an android / cyborg or what-ever if it's self sufficient with it's own AI. Also as a 'rogue' Karr would probably know more than Ki3t does as Ki3t's intel is limited to what the 'foundation' has uploaded to him, where as Karr would be able to hack into military networks etc etc. I believe it could prove to be a very interesting episode, or even perhaps double episode if Karr should return.

As an interesting side thought... someone mentioned Sarah getting a new 'boyfriend' in another thread.. what if he's not what she thinks he is... i.e not human but a machine...

Oh, interesting twist! I too have pondered whether they would take it as far as cyborgs or not. If done well, that could make sense.

atleast it would give mike a proper reason for not being happy with her choice ! lols !

So long as it's well-handled, I totally don't care-- plotwise, I'm along for the ride, and the situation with Karr is one of the more intriguing things they've done.

You learn something everyday. I could have sworn that the Shelby was here before the corvette. Yes I know the original Shelby was a GT350. I still stand by my statement though and say the corvette would be a poorly choice for KITT. The Pontiac Trans-Am was a classic in its day and so is the Shelby. Shelby is the perfect choice to be KITT.

I agree, I don't think the vette would have worked for this show, or this KITT.

to be honest, i think there are very few car's that could work as kitt - the mustang in itself is an automotive icon - the shelby badge is the cherry on the cake ! plus, the GT500 is capable of over 650hp with very little work done to it making it pretty quick, the style of the car also works for kitts image, it has an agressive stance to it making it seem more imposing and bad ass !

ok, so i thought about this some more and i remembered this..

Episode 6 ( Knight of the Living Dead) around 31 - 32 mins in, kitt says "By the time he was decomissioned, he was more cyborg than robot"...

now i'm reeeeallly intruiged

an exotic would be a lambo or a ferrari even a lotus (that would be a pretty cool kitt) but not a chevy or dodge anything, the exotic means it is not native and chevy and dodge are american car companies. just an fyi

I know that, you know that, most of the other people know that. But apparently the video game wiz doesn't

Sorry to rain on the parade... but on THIS WEBSITE is a list of exotic car manufacturers.. corvette, ford and dodge are all on the list !!

so i guess the only difference would be personal opinion on what is classed as as exotic car...

i might also add, that i don't see most of the cars in that list as exotics..

Problem is, I'd almost guarantee that the website is a foreign (non-american) website. They are listing cars that aren't even made anymore. I'm sorry, it would take a little more than 25 thou to purchase a nice DeLorean.

what i think is that the army, needing a new weapon, looked in past experiments and found KITT/KARR. the new KARR is based on both KITT and KARR, but they changed the programming from protecting human life to self preserevation because 1. it is a machine meant to kill and 2. it is probaly expensive so they only built the one. they gave KARR the abillity to self program so that he could learn and adapt to what ever situation KARR would be in. KARR then was attacked, and to protect himself, went awol, killing everybody. the reason he became a cyborg and did not stay a car is either he was built that way for war and cannot transform like current KITT or that he did that in order to interact directly with objects and not be relient on anything or anybody else.

I'm not sure that KARR adds much to the drama right now. I really like how the show is keeping the drama each week with new plots - the KARR thing - I think it could be kinda boring - I think a lot of us are tired of the whole cyborg thing right now.

The one thing I remember from the episode that would EXCLUDE the original K.A.R.R. would be a comment about the central processor/neural net. Dr. Graiman said there were only 3 neural nets that support K.I.T.T.’s files…. K.I.T.T., the back up and K.A.R.R.

If it were the ORIGINAL (1980’s) K.A.R.R., his neural net would NOT be able to support the NEW K.I.T.T.’s files and his more advanced hardware. Unless they are using the original processor design… in which case… if it was advanced enough to use 25-years later… why not use the original K.I.T.T.’s neural as well?

Seems to me that Knight Industries made the same mistake twice… using the same acronym for the prototype… and again the NAME for K.A.R.R.… they use a different one… or at least EXTENDED

Knight Automated Roving Robot
Knight Auto-cybernetic Roving Robotic Exoskeleton

There been a few times when Kitt or the Foundation was indanger of loseing files. I think the Newest Show might hold more info then frist beleave. Let me start.

The frist Movie there could be some files of kitt taken. Due to computers lost.
Mikes Past and what he was doing? Who he was related to and so on. Still unknown.
Knight of the living dead. Another time the files of Kitt could be taken.
The last show shows Someone Who was looking into Kitt and a fake car was use.


Ok here what I am looking at. Karr chip was found so someone wanted to see what on the chip so it was hook it up to a computer and the chip started talking to the person. Then ask to find people. Which starts to do research on Kitt 3000. So there about 5 to 12 shows of this happening.

Karr and a few other Techs related to kitt 2000 and kitt 3000. Make Karr Reborn. The car can be anything. To add to the danger have Michael knight Father and Son. Karr want revange. So the frist person he wants is Michael knight Father is in fbi hidding. So Mike and Kitt 3000 has to find knight before karr dose. Then destory Karr before Kitt 3000 is destoryed.

Another factor is when you make software it always back up. So kitt 3000 can be change into a new verson of Karr. Basicly a virus of Kitt. Where someone can build a Karr useing kitt software and reprogram and parts of Karr cpu.

I am just tossing ideas I hope this helps.

very interesting idea's there Atol !

How's about this one... Hoff decides he wants back in... Knight industries tell's him to go jump, so he goes and steals the bits of Ki2t and puts him back together.. then realises there's no 'neural' chip thingy thing (yes that's the technical term ) so he digs about and finds Karrs and plugs it in to Ki2t..

K.A.R.R. didn't die in the original Knight Rider.

In fact, in Knight of the Living Dead they specifically talk about him being reactivated (by the military?), and rebuilt into a cyborg instead of a talking car, and show schematics of him as a humanoid robot body on a trike chassis. They flash by very quickly but you can see enough.

And the Prof mentioned that he "won't have another K.A.R.R. on his hands" and that K.A.R.R. is deactivated again, this time for good (yeah, right), so I guess an upgrade didn't change his mind much and he went rogue again.

I really hope to see K.A.R.R. back in action... kind of hoping they'd make him a Dodge Charger (like my own car, heh), but with the kind of money trouble that the Big Three are in, I don't know who will pony up the dough for a TV appearance... Maybe nobody will, and K.A.R.R. will end up returning as the "robot on a tricycle".

Here is what I see based on what I've seen, and read. We know the original K.A.R.R. cpu was intact after the last battle with KI2T. The version we saw in knight of the living dead, KARR was called Knight Auto-cybernetic roving robotic-exoskeleton. This would suggest that this KARR needed a Operator and replaying the episode he could transform from a mustang to a robot. The DR. said "if they were to put KITT's brain into KARR's body" suggesting that KARR's programing was removed or destroyed. If someone would find the "original" KARR cpu and install it into this body it would be very bad news. I think that would break into the Hoff, as we know it is being discussed of him coming back. I figure to take a Devon type role. Revenge would be KARR's motivation against KITT, and both Micheals. Thats how I see it but they might go totally different.

I read people complaining of Charles Grayman being called the creator of KITT when he was not mentioned in the old series. Perhaps he meant he was the creator of KI3T and not KI2T, who was created by Wilton Knight and Devon Miles. I think Grayman probably researched Knight and Miles' work on KI2T and based KI3T on that work.

No, Charles Grayman was the inventor of KITT. The old series never told who exactly invented the Knight Industries. Wilton Knight created the Knight Foundation and build KITT (and KARR) through his resources. Knight was described as a self-made millionaire who was an adventurer in his younger days. With the creation of the Knight Industries vehicles he wanted to keep his dreams alive. But it was never suggested that Wilton Knight invented the AI that became the original KITT. And as far as I know, it was never discussed who developed the specs and/or designs. So Graiman's character does fit perfectly within the Knight Rider lore.

He actually say's in the pilot episode about building ki2t too

Building, not inventing.

i know, i was just pointing out that he built it

I was just emphasizing your pointing out!

Anyone ever saw Knight Rider 2000? KI2T's memory chip was planted in a cops brain. I was thinking maybe someone found KARR's chip and did the same thing or something to that effect. Who knows how KARR comes back as. KARR never died in the original series. Holf put KI2T in his Chevy and at the end KI2T was then put in another car which was supposed to be KI4T. Click here for more on Knight Rider 2000.

To be precise, it was KITT's computational chip that was used as a memory chip for Shawn McCormick.

Thanks for clearing that up Raymond_T.

Wait..can someone fill me in on what we DO know for sure,from like past episodes and the original about KARR? and what we are assumeing?

I read a few of the posts and looked on wikipedia..but im still slightly confused.

I'm getting the whole 4seasons pack of the original for christmas..so i'll try to get caught up soon.

What exactly do you want to know?

tbw, wikipedia is the devil. They are great for established facts, but since every Larry, Jack and Moe can enter whatever they like, half of the time the info is incomplete, faulty, or filled with personal conclusions that were never the intend of the writers or part of the issue on hand.

For the longest time wikipedia claimed that KARR was voiced by Peter Cullen both times, when he clearly only did the first. Paul Frees was KARR in the second appearance.

im not exatcly sure what i want to know..cause idk how to word it. but like from the original and the new remake what do we know fer sure about KARR?

But in Junkyard Dogs, FLAG recalled KITT's design team to rebuild him and Grayman wasn't among them. Was he?

No, but no one in that team claimed to have invented KITT either. They were the original team that developed all of KITT's systems. Developers and inventors are not the same thing. So it still fits.

Developers do the inventor's bidding. :-D

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/07/spy-sho...00-gets-jalopd/

Autoblog has some spy shots of the new [slighty disguised] 2010 Shelby out on a test drive.

Looks like a large mouth Bass.

C

Actually so does blogs.internetautoguide.com
They have both the coupe and convertible spyshots of the 2010 Shelby GT500

http://blogs.internetautoguide.com/6333675...hots/index.html

http://blogs.internetautoguide.com/6282868...hots/index.html

smart, i'll definately be ordering my 2010 mustang in cow print... should blend in nicely !!!