Full Version: Comparing Diets
How is the Biggest Loser different from Weight Watchers??? Any advice on which one is better or are they sort of the same???
I've done weight watchers before, but its been about 6 years. You have a lot of "point" counting and such. You can use fresh food or buy their frozen food. And of course there are the weekly meetings that you have to go to. I haven't tried BL.
I do WeightWatcher's online since we don't have any meetings in my area. Basically the main difference is that with WW you count points and with BL you count calories. For me, counting points is less work but it's still about watching portions and not eating more than my body really needs to function and workout. Both plans are great and it's really about which plan works best for you, as not everyone likes WW and not everyone likes counting calories. With Weightwatchers I think some people's problem is that they tend to eat alot of processed junk and just count points, when they should be trying to get in the 8 healthy guidelines that WeightWatchers sets out for them (Drinking water, fruits and veggies, dairy, healthy oils, protein, etc)and anything else should be extra. That can be said about counting calories though to. If you go to WeightWatcher's meetings you don't have to speak and participate if you don't want to and no one can see your weight when your being weighed except for you and the person weighing you, and since they were overweight at one time themselves they are not going to judge you for how much you weigh, if you lost, gained, etc.
There is also a non point counting plan called the core plan where you can eat lean proteins, whole grains(not bread) and fruits, veggies and fatfree dairy and not have to count points for it, just go by your hunger signals (Which for many of us is something we are not able to do yet obviously)and then you have 35 points a week you can use if you want to eat bread and other stuff that is not on the core plan.
I myself find that if I do the points plan and just try and eat alot of core like foods I do better. WeightWatcher's has alot of frozen meals and ice creams but honestly, like all over frozen foods they are full of processed chemicals and stuff so I think your better off just eating the real thing in a smaller portion if you want ice cream. It might be a point or two higher than the fake stuff but at least it only has like three ingreadiants. Milk, cream and vanilla, etc. Ingrediants you can pronounce and know what they are LOL
Even though I do WW I have the BL cookbook, workout dvd and other stuff.
There is also a non point counting plan called the core plan where you can eat lean proteins, whole grains(not bread) and fruits, veggies and fatfree dairy and not have to count points for it, just go by your hunger signals (Which for many of us is something we are not able to do yet obviously)and then you have 35 points a week you can use if you want to eat bread and other stuff that is not on the core plan.
I myself find that if I do the points plan and just try and eat alot of core like foods I do better. WeightWatcher's has alot of frozen meals and ice creams but honestly, like all over frozen foods they are full of processed chemicals and stuff so I think your better off just eating the real thing in a smaller portion if you want ice cream. It might be a point or two higher than the fake stuff but at least it only has like three ingreadiants. Milk, cream and vanilla, etc. Ingrediants you can pronounce and know what they are LOL
Even though I do WW I have the BL cookbook, workout dvd and other stuff.
I did WW a few years ago and like the point system but of course you have to do alot of figuring with a special slide or book on hand. What I found is that approx 1 pt = 50 calories.. so it was easy to eyeball things. So if you figured out your point allowance and compared that calorically...it was still a controlled eating plan. So if something had 150 calories I would designate it 3 pts.. The real point system is a calculation based on 3 components of a food.. Calorie, fat and fiber.. But as I said it is roughly 50 calories per point.. and the goal of WW has always been to eat healthier.
Consumer Reports had a run down of the diets in an issue this past year and WW was rated near or at the top. I think most of us have belonged to WW more than once.. But I know it's not for me... My daughter did great counting points.. But then regained when she stopped and slid back into old eating habits.. I think the goal should be to make it a lifestyle change.. One cannot count calories, fat grams or points indefinitely.
Get regular exercise, eat sensibly, more complex carbs (whole grain products) less simple carbs.. (sugar) and cut the bad fats..
If the OP is looking for a good option.. They should check out Sparkpeople.com.
It's free...and you probably can custom make your own plan.. You can track your eating and it will tally up your calories and fat, carbs etc.. They have TBL fan groups and forums for every type of diet out there..(the non quack ones) It can be a great complement to any program you do choose to try. But it can easily stand on its own..
Educating yourself rather than following a particular diet is going to the best way to go. Spark people can offer that and a community of support who are at various stages of their own journeys.
Consumer Reports had a run down of the diets in an issue this past year and WW was rated near or at the top. I think most of us have belonged to WW more than once.. But I know it's not for me... My daughter did great counting points.. But then regained when she stopped and slid back into old eating habits.. I think the goal should be to make it a lifestyle change.. One cannot count calories, fat grams or points indefinitely.
Get regular exercise, eat sensibly, more complex carbs (whole grain products) less simple carbs.. (sugar) and cut the bad fats..
If the OP is looking for a good option.. They should check out Sparkpeople.com.
It's free...and you probably can custom make your own plan.. You can track your eating and it will tally up your calories and fat, carbs etc.. They have TBL fan groups and forums for every type of diet out there..(the non quack ones) It can be a great complement to any program you do choose to try. But it can easily stand on its own..
Educating yourself rather than following a particular diet is going to the best way to go. Spark people can offer that and a community of support who are at various stages of their own journeys.
I agree, it's really about just eating less (and healthier options) and moving more. Actually for some people it can be about eating MORE (like those people that only eat one meal a day and think they will lose weight.)and moving more.
I think that in reality, I will get to a point with WW down the road where I will just be able to as you said, eyeball it in my head and automaticly know how much I should and shouldn't be eating and won't need to count every little bite that I eat, not because i've given up on WW, but because I will be eating the proper amount already that WW taught me to eat. In fact someday when I have learned all I can from the points program I may try and do the core plan which is the non counting plan and more about just watching portion sizes. It will take me a long time to get to that point but I will get there eventually. I think the main thing is to make sure that getting to goal weight isn't the end of watching portion size and exercise.
I think that in reality, I will get to a point with WW down the road where I will just be able to as you said, eyeball it in my head and automaticly know how much I should and shouldn't be eating and won't need to count every little bite that I eat, not because i've given up on WW, but because I will be eating the proper amount already that WW taught me to eat. In fact someday when I have learned all I can from the points program I may try and do the core plan which is the non counting plan and more about just watching portion sizes. It will take me a long time to get to that point but I will get there eventually. I think the main thing is to make sure that getting to goal weight isn't the end of watching portion size and exercise.
I am on WW and it works for me pretty well. I also use other tips from other places like BL and it helps. When I really follow it, I lose about 2lbs per week. After a while, things you use regularly you will know the points in your head (like most bread, one slice is 2pts) I also have a point calculator and take it with me -its small and fits in my purse easily.
I joined WW a month before the first season of TBL aired. I've lost my weight with WW. I'm a big believer in the program. That said, I have TBL books as well as a club membership (both a good for getting ideas no matter what program you do). I find WW to be the easier approach for me. Counting Points is way easier than counting calories since the numbers are smaller. And with WW, you count down rather than add up, so you know how many Points/calories you have left over for the day. I find WW to be more flexible, too. You build treats into the program rather than viewing them as a cheat that needs to be worked off. But both programs are great and very similar (eat less, move more, make it a lifestyle NOT a diet, etc.). You can't go wrong with either one. So, pick the one that works for you and your life. 
And you're all right. After a while, you can look a food or even the nutrition label and know the Points Value. It's kind of funny.
And you're all right. After a while, you can look a food or even the nutrition label and know the Points Value. It's kind of funny.
HEY THERE!!
my name is marah and i love biggest loser... well i wondered if next season u could compare different diets like one team do the special K diet, one team does the Atkins diet ,one team does the weight watchers diet ,one team does the heathly choice diet ,one team does smart one diet ,and have one team do the biggest loser diet...It would make the biggest loser wayyyy more interesting cause u have all those diets...
think about it and email me about it at marahlane@Gmail.com
thx
marah
my name is marah and i love biggest loser... well i wondered if next season u could compare different diets like one team do the special K diet, one team does the Atkins diet ,one team does the weight watchers diet ,one team does the heathly choice diet ,one team does smart one diet ,and have one team do the biggest loser diet...It would make the biggest loser wayyyy more interesting cause u have all those diets...
think about it and email me about it at marahlane@Gmail.com
thx
marah
QUOTE (homeschooler101 @ Jan 17 2009, 04:48 PM) 
HEY THERE!!
my name is marah and i love biggest loser... well i wondered if next season u could compare different diets like one team do the special K diet, one team does the Atkins diet ,one team does the weight watchers diet ,one team does the heathly choice diet ,one team does smart one diet ,and have one team do the biggest loser diet...It would make the biggest loser wayyyy more interesting cause u have all those diets...
think about it and email me about it at marahlane@Gmail.com
thx
marah
my name is marah and i love biggest loser... well i wondered if next season u could compare different diets like one team do the special K diet, one team does the Atkins diet ,one team does the weight watchers diet ,one team does the heathly choice diet ,one team does smart one diet ,and have one team do the biggest loser diet...It would make the biggest loser wayyyy more interesting cause u have all those diets...
think about it and email me about it at marahlane@Gmail.com
thx
marah
Just to let you know, you are posting at the discussion boards for fans.
But, interesting post and it will probably generate some discussion.
The thing is, and we are currently kind of discussing this on another thread...TBL doensn't do "Diet" as in the way you are describing.
They eat healthy and reduce calories. I think Bob puts more of an emphasis on lower carb (at least in the past he did), but certainly not drastic like Atkins (bad bad bad).
Not that I'm any expert, but that Special K diet is ridiculas. If you are going to have only cereal three times a day you are probably going to lose weight. If one were to ever do that, they should at least pick a cereal that is remotely healthy. Low or no sugar, high protein, and lots of fiber (Go Lean has all that, as does oatmeal). But no matter, don't do that!!! We need a variety of foods in our daily diet. Not just one food or one food group.
But, i know that's not your recommendation. You were just listing diets.
Anyway, I think whatever they are doing it is working well. One must lose weight the same way they will maintain it. Maybe the calorie allottment will change, but the food choices need to stay the same.
JMO on all this.
All calorie controlled diets work- if you stick to them. Burn more calories than you eat and you lose weight. * (For people without thyroid conditions etc)
You could do a pizza diet, and as long as you ate less pizza than your body needed, you would lose weight. You might not be healthy, but you would lose weight!
Some of the diets you mentioned aren't well balanced and wouldn't sustain the contestants' bodies and health, with the huge amount of exercise that they do.
You could do a pizza diet, and as long as you ate less pizza than your body needed, you would lose weight. You might not be healthy, but you would lose weight!
Some of the diets you mentioned aren't well balanced and wouldn't sustain the contestants' bodies and health, with the huge amount of exercise that they do.
Wasn't there already a show like that?
My Dad gained 8 pounds when he did Atkins... 
That "diet" makes me ill. It's sooooo unhealthy. I agree with what Bob said in one of the seasons. Cutting carbs out totally is how sedentary people lose weight. You restrict someone's diet and cut out major food groups, they are going to lose weight.
Unless you are like my Father, who could and probably did for the two weeks he was on Atkins, eat his weight in bacon, steak, and cheese. He was so mad because he only wanted to lose like 10 pounds and gained 8 so then he had 18 pounds to lose.
That "diet" makes me ill. It's sooooo unhealthy. I agree with what Bob said in one of the seasons. Cutting carbs out totally is how sedentary people lose weight. You restrict someone's diet and cut out major food groups, they are going to lose weight.Unless you are like my Father, who could and probably did for the two weeks he was on Atkins, eat his weight in bacon, steak, and cheese. He was so mad because he only wanted to lose like 10 pounds and gained 8 so then he had 18 pounds to lose.
QUOTE (Brooke @ Jan 17 2009, 08:04 PM)
Just to let you know, you are posting at the discussion boards for fans.
But, interesting post and it will probably generate some discussion.
The thing is, and we are currently kind of discussing this on another thread...TBL doensn't do "Diet" as in the way you are describing.
They eat healthy and reduce calories. I think Bob puts more of an emphasis on lower carb (at least in the past he did), but certainly not drastic like Atkins (bad bad bad).
Not that I'm any expert, but that Special K diet is ridiculas. If you are going to have only cereal three times a day you are probably going to lose weight. If one were to ever do that, they should at least pick a cereal that is remotely healthy. Low or no sugar, high protein, and lots of fiber (Go Lean has all that, as does oatmeal). But no matter, don't do that!!! We need a variety of foods in our daily diet. Not just one food or one food group.
But, i know that's not your recommendation. You were just listing diets.
Anyway, I think whatever they are doing it is working well. One must lose weight the same way they will maintain it. Maybe the calorie allottment will change, but the food choices need to stay the same.
JMO on all this.
But, interesting post and it will probably generate some discussion.
The thing is, and we are currently kind of discussing this on another thread...TBL doensn't do "Diet" as in the way you are describing.
They eat healthy and reduce calories. I think Bob puts more of an emphasis on lower carb (at least in the past he did), but certainly not drastic like Atkins (bad bad bad).
Not that I'm any expert, but that Special K diet is ridiculas. If you are going to have only cereal three times a day you are probably going to lose weight. If one were to ever do that, they should at least pick a cereal that is remotely healthy. Low or no sugar, high protein, and lots of fiber (Go Lean has all that, as does oatmeal). But no matter, don't do that!!! We need a variety of foods in our daily diet. Not just one food or one food group.
But, i know that's not your recommendation. You were just listing diets.
Anyway, I think whatever they are doing it is working well. One must lose weight the same way they will maintain it. Maybe the calorie allottment will change, but the food choices need to stay the same.
JMO on all this.
i think atkins is the best diet b/c people r eating wayyy to many carbs/sugars!!
i think it would be an interesting show if the biggest loser people could do that!!!!!
and yes atkins does work my sis has been doing it for 4 days and she has lost 6 pds!!
QUOTE (on my way now @ Jan 17 2009, 08:18 PM)
All calorie controlled diets work- if you stick to them. Burn more calories than you eat and you lose weight. * (For people without thyroid conditions etc)
You could do a pizza diet, and as long as you ate less pizza than your body needed, you would lose weight. You might not be healthy, but you would lose weight!
Some of the diets you mentioned aren't well balanced and wouldn't sustain the contestants' bodies and health, with the huge amount of exercise that they do.
You could do a pizza diet, and as long as you ate less pizza than your body needed, you would lose weight. You might not be healthy, but you would lose weight!
Some of the diets you mentioned aren't well balanced and wouldn't sustain the contestants' bodies and health, with the huge amount of exercise that they do.
well i thought that they could just follow the things that the diets say to do and the trainers wouldnt do anything!
like the special k
it says to exercise at least 30 min a day
etc etc!
i think it would be more interesting other than watch people work out bigg woop
QUOTE (vbarkley @ Jan 18 2009, 03:36 AM)
Wasn't there already a show like that?
nope
QUOTE (kj4ever @ Jan 18 2009, 11:02 AM)
My Dad gained 8 pounds when he did Atkins... That "diet" makes me ill. It's sooooo unhealthy. I agree with what Bob said in one of the seasons. Cutting carbs out totally is how sedentary people lose weight. You restrict someone's diet and cut out major food groups, they are going to lose weight.
Unless you are like my Father, who could and probably did for the two weeks he was on Atkins, eat his weight in bacon, steak, and cheese. He was so mad because he only wanted to lose like 10 pounds and gained 8 so then he had 18 pounds to lose.
That "diet" makes me ill. It's sooooo unhealthy. I agree with what Bob said in one of the seasons. Cutting carbs out totally is how sedentary people lose weight. You restrict someone's diet and cut out major food groups, they are going to lose weight.Unless you are like my Father, who could and probably did for the two weeks he was on Atkins, eat his weight in bacon, steak, and cheese. He was so mad because he only wanted to lose like 10 pounds and gained 8 so then he had 18 pounds to lose.
sry but my dad did it for a week (not really doing hardcore) and lost 10 pds in a week!!
u say its unhealthy
eating salads and being "healthy" can work but atkins is wayy beter, but the 1st 3 days r brutual b/c your body isnt used to not HAVING SUGARS, WHY, BECAUSE WE EAT WAYYYY TO MANY SUGARS... ....then like the 4th day u can eat half a plain burger and u will be full.... my sis has been doing atkins for 4 days and she has lost 6 pds already(mostly water weight) but in like 3 days her body wont have any sugars soo it will eat her fat... presto...... instint weight loss,and what bob said ummmm if there diet works soo well then how come people will lose 1 or 2 pds or even gain on biggest loser.. if his diet is soo good people should be losing 10 or more pds a week, toward the finale they should lose 7 or more......the main food groups r breads,pasta=CARBS 101, veggies=can have but still have natural sugars,fruits=MORE NATURAL SUGARS..fats=aka weigh gain and dairy=preety good milk has alot of sugar sooo
if u eat a banna before workin out ... u will have to burn those carbs and sugars FIRST then u will start burning fat=weight loss
see what atkins does is takes alll the bad stuff=sugar away so your body needs nutrients,eventually turning on your fat!!!!!!
DUHHHHH
ITS NOT A "BAD" DIET!!!!
SRY
plus u can buy atkins shakes and bars and u can have meat cheese eggs bacon sausage!!!!
sry but your dad probally did it wrong
!!!!
thx
,me
QUOTE (homeschooler101 @ Jan 18 2009, 06:24 PM)
i think atkins is the best diet b/c people r eating wayyy to many carbs/sugars!!
i think it would be an interesting show if the biggest loser people could do that!!!!!
and yes atkins does work my sis has been doing it for 4 days and she has lost 6 pds!!
i think it would be an interesting show if the biggest loser people could do that!!!!!
and yes atkins does work my sis has been doing it for 4 days and she has lost 6 pds!!
No, see you are equating sugars with all carbs.
Yes, sugars are carbs. Yes, foods that contain sugars contain carbs.
But, those are simple carbs. Yes, we need to eliminate them, or at least cut down on them.
But we NEED complex carbs in our diets.
Atkins controlls all carbs, not just sugar carbs! You need to understand the difference.
I don't disagree that you will lose weight on Atkins, and Atkins is not a low calorie diet like some think. I know a friend who made a sugar free cheesecake that she got from the Atkins site, and she ate the entire cake in one day, in addition to her other food. (a whole block of full fat cream cheese in that, plus like 4 eggs, etc). She continued losing. Her insulin was not spiked and the food did not turn to fat. Yes, Atkins works to lose weight. The only people who say it doesn't don't have experience with it. However, it is not long term and it is not healthy. What happens when you eventually want to add carbs back in? (good carbs...not sugar) That's when the body has a really hard time with it, and the fat just rolls back on. I've seen it...or should I say, read about it on the Atkins boards. It was quite predictable.
Short term? Maybe, if you don't mind being constipated I guess.
It does work to lose weight. However, it backfires after about a year. If you spend any time on the Atkins site, which I have (even though I have never done it), you will see everybody having trouble after a certain amount of time. The body rebels.
No matter. Even if it didn't rebel, it is not healthy. Any "diet" that cuts out fruits and restricts vegetables is not healthy, no matter how much your dad or anybody else loses on it!
Honestly, the best way to lose weight is by losing the same way you will maintain. Not cutting out two vital food groups: fruits and veggies.
The idea is to keep blood sugar levels level. Not running high and low. You don't need to go cold turkey on all carbs to do that.
I stink at knowing the science of how this stuff works. I only remember what to do...not why. But this is pretty basic.
QUOTE (Brooke @ Jan 18 2009, 09:10 PM)
No, see you are equating sugars with all carbs.
Yes, sugars are carbs. Yes, foods that contain sugars contain carbs.
But, those are simple carbs. Yes, we need to eliminate them, or at least cut down on them.
But we NEED complex carbs in our diets.
Atkins controlls all carbs, not just sugar carbs! You need to understand the difference.
I don't disagree that you will lose weight on Atkins, and Atkins is not a low calorie diet like some think. I know a friend who made a sugar free cheesecake that she got from the Atkins site, and she ate the entire cake in one day, in addition to her other food. (a whole block of full fat cream cheese in that, plus like 4 eggs, etc). She continued losing. Her insulin was not spiked and the food did not turn to fat. Yes, Atkins works to lose weight. The only people who say it doesn't don't have experience with it. However, it is not long term and it is not healthy. What happens when you eventually want to add carbs back in? (good carbs...not sugar) That's when the body has a really hard time with it, and the fat just rolls back on. I've seen it...or should I say, read about it on the Atkins boards. It was quite predictable.
Short term? Maybe, if you don't mind being constipated I guess.
It does work to lose weight. However, it backfires after about a year. If you spend any time on the Atkins site, which I have (even though I have never done it), you will see everybody having trouble after a certain amount of time. The body rebels.
No matter. Even if it didn't rebel, it is not healthy. Any "diet" that cuts out fruits and restricts vegetables is not healthy, no matter how much your dad or anybody else loses on it!
Honestly, the best way to lose weight is by losing the same way you will maintain. Not cutting out two vital food groups: fruits and veggies.
The idea is to keep blood sugar levels level. Not running high and low. You don't need to go cold turkey on all carbs to do that.
I stink at knowing the science of how this stuff works. I only remember what to do...not why. But this is pretty basic.
Yes, sugars are carbs. Yes, foods that contain sugars contain carbs.
But, those are simple carbs. Yes, we need to eliminate them, or at least cut down on them.
But we NEED complex carbs in our diets.
Atkins controlls all carbs, not just sugar carbs! You need to understand the difference.
I don't disagree that you will lose weight on Atkins, and Atkins is not a low calorie diet like some think. I know a friend who made a sugar free cheesecake that she got from the Atkins site, and she ate the entire cake in one day, in addition to her other food. (a whole block of full fat cream cheese in that, plus like 4 eggs, etc). She continued losing. Her insulin was not spiked and the food did not turn to fat. Yes, Atkins works to lose weight. The only people who say it doesn't don't have experience with it. However, it is not long term and it is not healthy. What happens when you eventually want to add carbs back in? (good carbs...not sugar) That's when the body has a really hard time with it, and the fat just rolls back on. I've seen it...or should I say, read about it on the Atkins boards. It was quite predictable.
Short term? Maybe, if you don't mind being constipated I guess.
It does work to lose weight. However, it backfires after about a year. If you spend any time on the Atkins site, which I have (even though I have never done it), you will see everybody having trouble after a certain amount of time. The body rebels.
No matter. Even if it didn't rebel, it is not healthy. Any "diet" that cuts out fruits and restricts vegetables is not healthy, no matter how much your dad or anybody else loses on it!
Honestly, the best way to lose weight is by losing the same way you will maintain. Not cutting out two vital food groups: fruits and veggies.
The idea is to keep blood sugar levels level. Not running high and low. You don't need to go cold turkey on all carbs to do that.
I stink at knowing the science of how this stuff works. I only remember what to do...not why. But this is pretty basic.
true
true!!
Good points.
The best way to lose weight is to adopt a "diet" that you can live with forever.
The best way to lose weight is to adopt a "diet" that you can live with forever.
QUOTE (vbarkley @ Jan 18 2009, 02:36 AM)
Wasn't there already a show like that?
I guess I was thinking of this:Four Popular Diets: Which Is Best?
And this:
Four Diets Put To Test
Which diet is best for you? A new study put four popular diets to the test and The Early Show's Dr. Emily Senay has the results.
Basically, they said any diet you stick to (of the 4 chosen) will help you lose weight.
QUOTE (ArlingtonLisa @ Jan 19 2009, 01:06 AM)
Good points.
The best way to lose weight is to adopt a "diet" that you can live with forever.
The best way to lose weight is to adopt a "diet" that you can live with forever.
yes my diet is atkins!!!
QUOTE (vbarkley @ Jan 19 2009, 04:13 AM)
I guess I was thinking of this:
Four Popular Diets: Which Is Best?
And this:
Four Diets Put To Test
Which diet is best for you? A new study put four popular diets to the test and The Early Show's Dr. Emily Senay has the results.
Basically, they said any diet you stick to (of the 4 chosen) will help you lose weight.
Four Popular Diets: Which Is Best?
And this:
Four Diets Put To Test
Which diet is best for you? A new study put four popular diets to the test and The Early Show's Dr. Emily Senay has the results.
Basically, they said any diet you stick to (of the 4 chosen) will help you lose weight.
ok thx
home schooler do you work for Atkins?
Atkins will never work long term; check back in a year and let us know how much weight you gained back.
Atkins will never work long term; check back in a year and let us know how much weight you gained back.
It is all about lifestyle and getting to know yourself and the way your body works. I have had many people ask me what "diet" I am on? My response has been its a lifestyle and I made some changes, and have been learning how my body acts, reacts and works its best.
BUT if you need to use that word "diet", I like the post from kj4ever
BUT if you need to use that word "diet", I like the post from kj4ever
QUOTE
from kj4ever "When I first decided to lose weight and had an appointment with my doctor, I told him I wanted to go on a diet. His response? "You are already on a diet. Everyone is on a diet. Diet is the food and drink people consume. Now your diet can be made up of reese cups and pizza, or it can be a balanced diet with vegetables and healthy food."
It kind of took the "power" that whole word has away. The negatives away, and it changed my life I didn't think about "I have to eat this because ugh, I'm on a diet, but these are the foods that will incorporate my diet." It may sound silly, but it had a profound affect on me."
It kind of took the "power" that whole word has away. The negatives away, and it changed my life I didn't think about "I have to eat this because ugh, I'm on a diet, but these are the foods that will incorporate my diet." It may sound silly, but it had a profound affect on me."
QUOTE (the_quiet_one @ Jan 20 2009, 01:15 AM)
It is all about lifestyle and getting to know yourself and the way your body works. I have had many people ask me what "diet" I am on? My response has been its a lifestyle and I made some changes, and have been learning how my body acts, reacts and works its best.
BUT if you need to use that word "diet", I like the post from kj4ever
BUT if you need to use that word "diet", I like the post from kj4ever
This post was so good. I lost about 50 pounds before and ate a lot of reduced fat processed meals. Stuff that I could pop in the microwave. It was lower in calories, but still a fair amount of fat and sodium. I was hungry all the time. Well I gained almost all of it back. This time around I am really committing to choosing healthy foods and recipes that I can feed my whole family and feel good about. I have really tried to learn about what different foods do for me so when my daughter is old enough I can teach her. I really want everying I eat to not only taste good, but to be doing something good for my insides. I love it because I am cooking more at home than I ever have and I make the same meals for my hubby as for myself, I just eat less. I know that he is healthier and I am continuing to loose weight AND I'm not hungry. He told me last night that the past 3 weeks have been some of the best food I've made. I will admit though I still have my stash of 100 calorie teddy graham packs and reduced fat ice cream for when my sweet tooth kicks in. I feel proud though. The same box of teddy grahams and 1/2 gallon of ice cream have been in my house for over 3 weeks.
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Jillian would never approve using those diets. She firmly believes in 100% organic or as close as possible, and real foods. NO ONE can live on 2 bowls of cereal a day and one meal, that's ridiculous and not maintainable.
And any of those healthy choice, lean cuisine, smart ones boxes are GARBAGE. Is there even any real food in them? It's all processed and artificial garbage.
The entire point of TBL is to change your lifestyle, not just "do a diet" until you lose weight.
And it's obvious from those that do not maintain the healthy lifestyle, they put the weight back on.
And any of those healthy choice, lean cuisine, smart ones boxes are GARBAGE. Is there even any real food in them? It's all processed and artificial garbage.
The entire point of TBL is to change your lifestyle, not just "do a diet" until you lose weight.
And it's obvious from those that do not maintain the healthy lifestyle, they put the weight back on.
^^what about TBL meals
OK!! I just signed up for this! I'm really excited now! I'll let ya'll know how it is once I've tried it!
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I'm not sure what word should replace it, but most "diets" don't seem to work. BL tries to get that point across, but I don't know how well it is working (I live in the fattest state in the USA). I wish there were some way to really drive home the point that a whole life change is needed to loose and maintain your own correct weight, not a diet.
Sorry about the rant, but I just saw an ad for some fad diet not long after BL and couldn't help but wonder how many people are going to order this "miracle" and waste lots of money rather than doing it right. Poor Bob & Jillian really have it stacked against them.
Sorry about the rant, but I just saw an ad for some fad diet not long after BL and couldn't help but wonder how many people are going to order this "miracle" and waste lots of money rather than doing it right. Poor Bob & Jillian really have it stacked against them.
Actually I always that diet was die with a t at the end! 
When my husband went to Seattle for his kidney transplant there was a young female patient that was also receiving a new kidney.
She was taking diet pills that cause her kidneys to shut down. The doctor(s) believe that her kidneys were already weaken before she started her "diet" and the pills cause her kidneys to shut down faster.
When my husband went to Seattle for his kidney transplant there was a young female patient that was also receiving a new kidney.
She was taking diet pills that cause her kidneys to shut down. The doctor(s) believe that her kidneys were already weaken before she started her "diet" and the pills cause her kidneys to shut down faster.
Lifestyle. Fuel.
To the person who is extolling the virues of the Atkins diet - are you aware of a condition called ketoacidosis? This is the condition which results from the breakdown of fats and proteins in the body when the body does not receive enough carbohydrates to fuel the body's cells. This results into ketones being released into the bloodstream; ketones are toxic and can kill a person when levels become too high. It is believed that the creator of the Atkins diet died from complications of ketoacidosis.
QUOTE (CCricket @ Jan 21 2009, 10:41 AM)
It is believed that the creator of the Atkins diet died from complications of ketoacidosis.
That is an urban myth. Dr. Atkins was a 72 year old man who died from blunt head trauma after falling on the ice on the way to work.
A few years before his death he did suffer a heart attack from a heart condition he had previously been diagnosed with. His doctors believe his heart condition was viral, not caused by diet.
QUOTE (CoMountainQueen @ Jan 20 2009, 06:30 PM)
Jillian would never approve using those diets. She firmly believes in 100% organic or as close as possible, and real foods. NO ONE can live on 2 bowls of cereal a day and one meal, that's ridiculous and not maintainable.
And any of those healthy choice, lean cuisine, smart ones boxes are GARBAGE. Is there even any real food in them? It's all processed and artificial garbage.
The entire point of TBL is to change your lifestyle, not just "do a diet" until you lose weight.
And it's obvious from those that do not maintain the healthy lifestyle, they put the weight back on.
And any of those healthy choice, lean cuisine, smart ones boxes are GARBAGE. Is there even any real food in them? It's all processed and artificial garbage.
The entire point of TBL is to change your lifestyle, not just "do a diet" until you lose weight.
And it's obvious from those that do not maintain the healthy lifestyle, they put the weight back on.
well organic has alot of carbs!!
if u have a 3 healthy choice dinners once a day u would lose weight
smart ones or a healthly choices r wayyyy better for u than a big hamburger and fries!!!
QUOTE (homeschooler101 @ Jan 22 2009, 06:52 PM)
well organic has alot of carbs!!
What in the world?
You may want to stop commenting until you do a bit of research. You are seriously jeapordizing your credibility here.
QUOTE (homeschooler101 @ Jan 22 2009, 06:52 PM)
well organic has alot of carbs!!
if u have a 3 healthy choice dinners once a day u would lose weight
smart ones or a healthly choices r wayyyy better for u than a big hamburger and fries!!!
if u have a 3 healthy choice dinners once a day u would lose weight
smart ones or a healthly choices r wayyyy better for u than a big hamburger and fries!!!
I'm confused. I thought you were doing Atkins? Unless I am unaware of a separate line by either of these brands, they are not low carb. Healthy Choice does have some meals that are very low carb (I only found 2-3 in a list), but not as a whole. Some of their meals have 50 and 60+ carbs. I am not aware that Smart Ones is low carb at all. Am I wrong here?
Are you playing with us?
QUOTE (CCricket @ Jan 21 2009, 10:41 AM)
To the person who is extolling the virues of the Atkins diet - are you aware of a condition called ketoacidosis? This is the condition which results from the breakdown of fats and proteins in the body when the body does not receive enough carbohydrates to fuel the body's cells. This results into ketones being released into the bloodstream; ketones are toxic and can kill a person when levels become too high. It is believed that the creator of the Atkins diet died from complications of ketoacidosis.
Low-carb diets put a person into "ketosis," which is a very different process from "ketoacidosis." Ketoacidosis is most closely associated with insulin deficient diabetics and people who consume large amounts of alcohol. Also, Dr. Atkins died of head trauma as the result of a fall.
QUOTE (MomAt40Pls @ Jan 23 2009, 12:36 PM)
Low-carb diets put a person into "ketosis," which is a very different process from "ketoacidosis." Ketoacidosis is most closely associated with insulin deficient diabetics and people who consume large amounts of alcohol. Also, Dr. Atkins died of head trauma as the result of a fall.
Thanks MA40Pls, I always get those confused too. I'll promptly forget once again, but I appreciate your explanation.
Actually, I never knew what Ketoacidosis was. I thought it had something to do with ketosis too, but in different situations.
It is so confusing to me.
Thanks!
Ketosis and ketoacidosis are very closely related. Being in a state of ketosis leads to an increase in the acidity of the blood, acidosis, hence the term ketoacidosis. It's not solely related to alcohol or having diabetes.
QUOTE (Alaskanole @ Jan 19 2009, 09:06 PM)
Atkins will never work long term; check back in a year and let us know how much weight you gained back.
I've been a low carber for almost six years. I lost down from a size 16-18 to a size 4 and have remained in a 4 ever since!
I eat plenty of fruits and vegetables -- I am just selective about which ones I eat. I have a very well-rounded diet, feel great, and have plenty of energy.
Isn't it better to say lifetyle change as opposed to diets because with any diet you will lose weight but if you don't change your lifestyle you will gain the weight back.
QUOTE (CarolinaGirl19 @ Jan 25 2009, 05:55 PM)
I've been a low carber for almost six years. I lost down from a size 16-18 to a size 4 and have remained in a 4 ever since!
I eat plenty of fruits and vegetables -- I am just selective about which ones I eat. I have a very well-rounded diet, feel great, and have plenty of energy.
I eat plenty of fruits and vegetables -- I am just selective about which ones I eat. I have a very well-rounded diet, feel great, and have plenty of energy.
If you eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, you are not a "low carber" as fruits and veggies are chock full of complex carbs. Sounds like you are a "low simple carb" eater and/or you eat fruits veggies based on their glycemic index.
I have recently eliminated all refined carbs and simple sugars from my diet. I am eating tons of lower glycemic veggies and fruits. I am now in size 6 jeans with a goal of size 4. As a result in my change of diet, I have not had one headache since I started in early December, and I was having at least one or two completely debilitating headaches a week. I suspect I am eating a similar diet to yours and look forward to getting back to my old size 4's. Your success is encouraging to me.
Hello everyone,
I rarely watch the show (am going to add it to my DVR!) but am thinking of following the biggest loser weight loss plan. I have some questions after going through the site. How does the plan work if you work full time and don't have too much time to cook, are the recipes easy enough? How about keeping track of food, is it like a weight watcher point system?
I am definitely in need of changing the way I eat. I am overweight and am miserable. It seems like there is a lot of people who follow this plan who I could talk to so I won't feel so alone anymore.
Thanks!!!
I rarely watch the show (am going to add it to my DVR!) but am thinking of following the biggest loser weight loss plan. I have some questions after going through the site. How does the plan work if you work full time and don't have too much time to cook, are the recipes easy enough? How about keeping track of food, is it like a weight watcher point system?
I am definitely in need of changing the way I eat. I am overweight and am miserable. It seems like there is a lot of people who follow this plan who I could talk to so I won't feel so alone anymore.
Thanks!!!
If you have the money...you can join the delivery of food plan.
I think its either Biggest Loser's and or Jillian's.
I dont think you really have to follow all their recipes to get going. But with the exercise follow steps to eating healthy.
Watching percentages of fats/carbs/protein. watching calories. eating small potions 5 times a day, increasing metabolism. Eat lean meat. Lots of veggies. dont skip breakfast!. drink water.
thought I'd throw things out there.
I think its either Biggest Loser's and or Jillian's.
I dont think you really have to follow all their recipes to get going. But with the exercise follow steps to eating healthy.
Watching percentages of fats/carbs/protein. watching calories. eating small potions 5 times a day, increasing metabolism. Eat lean meat. Lots of veggies. dont skip breakfast!. drink water.
thought I'd throw things out there.
QUOTE (jaime101 @ Feb 23 2009, 12:52 PM)
Hello everyone,
I rarely watch the show (am going to add it to my DVR!) but am thinking of following the biggest loser weight loss plan. I have some questions after going through the site. How does the plan work if you work full time and don't have too much time to cook, are the recipes easy enough? How about keeping track of food, is it like a weight watcher point system?
I am definitely in need of changing the way I eat. I am overweight and am miserable. It seems like there is a lot of people who follow this plan who I could talk to so I won't feel so alone anymore.
Thanks!!!
I rarely watch the show (am going to add it to my DVR!) but am thinking of following the biggest loser weight loss plan. I have some questions after going through the site. How does the plan work if you work full time and don't have too much time to cook, are the recipes easy enough? How about keeping track of food, is it like a weight watcher point system?
I am definitely in need of changing the way I eat. I am overweight and am miserable. It seems like there is a lot of people who follow this plan who I could talk to so I won't feel so alone anymore.
Thanks!!!
Before you start, make sure the plan is right for you and that you would be eating enough for your own personal body needs. As it is, the Biggest Loser diet calculations for weightloss provide that I eat no more than 1,256 calories a day to lose weight whereas I can't be under 1,700 because of lean body mass composition.
QUOTE (Sweetvirgo @ Feb 23 2009, 01:54 PM)
Before you start, make sure the plan is right for you and that you would be eating enough for your own personal body needs. As it is, the Biggest Loser diet calculations for weightloss provide that I eat no more than 1,256 calories a day to lose weight whereas I can't be under 1,700 because of lean body mass composition.
I think a lot of people make the mistake of eating too little.
On this web site, I saw a post which said "I'm eating 700 calories per day. Is this too little? I'm losing weight, and almost at goal, so I hate to give this up" (not a direct quote, but something close to that).
No one responded to her post and I couldn't believe it. You know at 700 calories per day, she's losing a whole lot of lean muscle mass with her body fat, which means that the minute she starts eating even in a healthy way, she's going to start piling on the body fat like nobody's business. I almost responded to her, but then I noticed her post was months old. I wonder what happened to her.
I am trying to limit my carbs to help me lose weight. If what I am eating has fiber, do I subtract the amount of fiber from the amount of carbs?
No, you cannot subtract the grams of fiber when counting carbs. They still count in your total and they still count as calories. It is good to look at the fiber content in your foods and make sure you are choosing higher fiber foods when you can and lower sugar foods when you can.
When food labels subtract the grams of sugar alcohols and fiber from the total carbs, they are telling you the "net carbs" which is a marketing term to appeal to people on low carb diets. They are still calories. The benefit of eating foods with a low "net carb" value is that it will have a low glycemic impact and will not leave you with an insulin crash in a couple hours.
When food labels subtract the grams of sugar alcohols and fiber from the total carbs, they are telling you the "net carbs" which is a marketing term to appeal to people on low carb diets. They are still calories. The benefit of eating foods with a low "net carb" value is that it will have a low glycemic impact and will not leave you with an insulin crash in a couple hours.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/25/best....ref=mpstoryview
Diets targeted at carbohydrates, proteins or fats result in similiar results, as long as calorie intake was reduced.
Diets targeted at carbohydrates, proteins or fats result in similiar results, as long as calorie intake was reduced.
Total Carbohydrates include digestable and undigestable carbohydrates. The undigestable carbohydrates are the fiber carbohydrates. The food fuel (measureable as Calories) in fiber will not enter your blood stream from your gut (though the same fiber might provide food fuel to a cow or some other animal with different digestive enzymes than what a human has). That food fuel passes straight through from your mouth to exit at the other end, flushable right down the toilet.
Net Carbohydrates are the Total Carbohydrates minus the fiber. For each net carbohydrate you eat, you get about 4 Calories.
Food labels vary on how they count Calories. Some include the Calories from the fiber; most I've seen don't; and there are some that are just all screwed up completely when it comes to the math. I don't know if there is a regulation that requires the Calorie count to not include the fiber, but if there is you can't count on all the labels being correct anyway.
The labels that include Calories from fiber are including what you can absorb and burn or store plus the ones that you flush. Most of the time, you should simply use whatever Calorie count is given on the label. For a high fiber food, you can do the math to check for yourself. I have a black bean label with me so I'll show you an example for one serving according to this label. The 9 Calories per gram for fats and the 4 Calories per gram for carbohydrates and proteins are rounded numbers from the statistical values that have been obtained in experimental work.
Total Fat (0.5 grams) (9 Calories per gram) = 4.5 Calories
Total Carbs (21 grams) (4 Calories per gram) = 84 Calories
Fiber (6 grams) (4 Calories per gram) = 24 Calories
Protein (7 grams) (4 Calories per gram) = 28 Calories
The Total Calorie count including the fiber is 140.5 Calories. Without the fiber the Calorie count is 116.5 Calories. The label says 115 Calories per serving, thus this label does not include the fiber in the Calorie count. The 115 is the net Calorie count . . . the one that counts because it is what you absorb from the gut and can burn or store.
How does the "two types of fiber" for health make any sense if both types are pooped out? One of the very good things about fiber is that it can draw some of the fat you eat, including cholesterol, right through the gut with it. It prevents some of the fat from being absorbed and lets you eat then flush those few fat Calories trapped in the fiber. For sure one type of fiber is better than this than the other, but it might be that only one type of fiber does this. It has been awhile since my biochemistry days and my old brain has forgotten this detail. Anyway, in addition to taking a bit of fat down the toilet, fiber in the gut also helps reduce cholesterol already in your blood. HOW? During digestion in the stomach, the gall bladder pulls cholesterol from the blood and puts it into the stomach. With plenty of the absorbent fiber there in the stomach, some of that cholesterol goes to poop and some gets reabsorbed. The net effect is a lowering of blood cholesterol. This is why whole grain oats are so good at repairing bad cholesterol numbers in blood work.
Fiber helps you feel more full with less Calories in your stomach. Fiber is also good in that it slows down digestion. Food stays in the gut longer so you stay full longer. Fiber in your meal reduces the glycemic index in that meal, which means you have less of an effect on insulin. High glycemic meals spike your insulin big time, which leads to a big blood sugar drop later on that puts your appetite out of control.
Net Carbohydrates are the Total Carbohydrates minus the fiber. For each net carbohydrate you eat, you get about 4 Calories.
Food labels vary on how they count Calories. Some include the Calories from the fiber; most I've seen don't; and there are some that are just all screwed up completely when it comes to the math. I don't know if there is a regulation that requires the Calorie count to not include the fiber, but if there is you can't count on all the labels being correct anyway.
The labels that include Calories from fiber are including what you can absorb and burn or store plus the ones that you flush. Most of the time, you should simply use whatever Calorie count is given on the label. For a high fiber food, you can do the math to check for yourself. I have a black bean label with me so I'll show you an example for one serving according to this label. The 9 Calories per gram for fats and the 4 Calories per gram for carbohydrates and proteins are rounded numbers from the statistical values that have been obtained in experimental work.
Total Fat (0.5 grams) (9 Calories per gram) = 4.5 Calories
Total Carbs (21 grams) (4 Calories per gram) = 84 Calories
Fiber (6 grams) (4 Calories per gram) = 24 Calories
Protein (7 grams) (4 Calories per gram) = 28 Calories
The Total Calorie count including the fiber is 140.5 Calories. Without the fiber the Calorie count is 116.5 Calories. The label says 115 Calories per serving, thus this label does not include the fiber in the Calorie count. The 115 is the net Calorie count . . . the one that counts because it is what you absorb from the gut and can burn or store.
How does the "two types of fiber" for health make any sense if both types are pooped out? One of the very good things about fiber is that it can draw some of the fat you eat, including cholesterol, right through the gut with it. It prevents some of the fat from being absorbed and lets you eat then flush those few fat Calories trapped in the fiber. For sure one type of fiber is better than this than the other, but it might be that only one type of fiber does this. It has been awhile since my biochemistry days and my old brain has forgotten this detail. Anyway, in addition to taking a bit of fat down the toilet, fiber in the gut also helps reduce cholesterol already in your blood. HOW? During digestion in the stomach, the gall bladder pulls cholesterol from the blood and puts it into the stomach. With plenty of the absorbent fiber there in the stomach, some of that cholesterol goes to poop and some gets reabsorbed. The net effect is a lowering of blood cholesterol. This is why whole grain oats are so good at repairing bad cholesterol numbers in blood work.
Fiber helps you feel more full with less Calories in your stomach. Fiber is also good in that it slows down digestion. Food stays in the gut longer so you stay full longer. Fiber in your meal reduces the glycemic index in that meal, which means you have less of an effect on insulin. High glycemic meals spike your insulin big time, which leads to a big blood sugar drop later on that puts your appetite out of control.
OMG!!! This means that Ryan, you have been right all along. The shock!! The horror!! Oh, the humanity!!!! There is no miracle cure for obesity that will allow people to eat KFC, McDonald's, and Pizza Hut until they burst and still lose gobs and gobs of weight. There is no miracle cure in which the only exercise one has to do to drop massive loads of weight are tv watching, video game playing, and text messaging. It's just good old fashioned reduction of calories and increase in physical activities. Calories in, calories out.
And that loud noise we're hearing is the collective groan of not only the ones who DON'T want to follow the ONLY effective way to lose weight, but from the swindlers who take money from the ones who want the easy way out. Darn you, Ryan.
And that loud noise we're hearing is the collective groan of not only the ones who DON'T want to follow the ONLY effective way to lose weight, but from the swindlers who take money from the ones who want the easy way out. Darn you, Ryan.
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