Episode 19 ended with Sylar hiding in Danko's apartment with the rabbit from his dad's on Danko's counter top. Now we come back to this episode and no Sylar?? We have Dank shaving and nothing.What the hell happened..and I am just supposed to go along with it like ohh it was a great episode. Why the hell was Tracy frozen stiff? What you ran out money for CGI? That part was crap.why are you running the show into the ground? So tracy is dead .Daphne is dead? But out of her dream sequence you see her dead..so he was flying in a dream with a dead woman. We the viewers are losing interest.when you don't follow a plan. I assume you have a story line..this is going the way of season 2...*&&^^$7..

Wow dude. I think you're a little out of touch, most everyone seems to think this was an excellent episode.

We all have our opinions. We all like the show, but episode 19 and episode 20(tonight) have nothing to do with each other. Go back watch episode 19 then figure out where Sylar went or what happened. It made no sense.

I wouldn't say they have nothing to do with each other. The end of 19 was obviously intended as a sort of false cliffhanger. Sylar may not have meant to still be there when Danko got home, and snuck out when he got a chance.

P.S. Me calling you "out of touch" was in reference to your "we the viewers" comment. I meant no disrespect. Yes you are entitled to your opinion, and it has just as much merit as mine. I just wish you hadn't tried to speak for everyone when it seems like the majority of people who have posted in response to tonights episode seem to disagree with you.

True I agree with you there most ppl..seem to think tonight's episode was great. it was god to see Micah, Angela on the run? not really buying it. but hey shepp will be sheep. I am sure after Sylar made it clear he needed a challenge in hunting down agents..that yeah you're right...He would just sneak out the apartment. You're thinking makes complete sense now..lmao.

just no nathan...

Why would Angela not be on the run? With Nathan outed, the two people he was protecting became immediate targets.

I think there was some time between last week and this week, and next week I think they will fill us in to what happened in that time.... I.E. the stuff between Danko and Sylar....

I wouldn't be surprised if the start of next week picks up right at Sylar hiding in Danko's apartment....

^ what she said... i was a little disappointed though...it was as if BF wanted to disassoicate himself from the rest of the show...

I agree with the original message (ihinds) this episode was quite a let down. The whole Sylar thing was off - I agree you would think this episode would continue with the rabbitt sitting on the table and Danko coming in with Sylar on the other side of the wall - it is like the writers change there minds and just change the story - like no one is going to remember what happened the previous episode. I honestly have to say this was one of the most disappointing episodes. It is kinda like a train wreck - you don't want to see it but feel compelled to look.

Dude, no offense but you should watch again. You obviously didnt understand quite a few things that happen.

It seemed obvious to me that Sylar was the one that strung up Doyle for Danko.

He didn't have to be seen.

yes sylar probably did string up doyle. it think someone kinda explained it in an other thread. that he strung him up and left.
the alarms going off the front door is open and danko having to close the door could have been sylar leaving. still i was/am angry it was not continued in a more understandable way. it was kinda like the elcpise part 2 when its OMG look sylar and elle kissing! omg look HRG has a gun aimed right at them...nice clifhanger then we come back to se sylar and elle in a sleeping bag on the floor leaving us with this time rift.

I thought it was pretty good.... It is a lot better than some of the past episodes...... I really enjoyed the last two (19 and 20)... But to each its own

oh yeah I must admit I was a little disappointed when they didn't show Dranko and Sylar... I hate how they hyped that up.

I think the rabbit scene occurs later, chronologically, than the Puppet Master showing up as a "gift." Confusing, I'll admit. Next week should clear things up.

No. Not excellent. They, it seems, are still trying to clean house.

Ice Girl is now dead, but not---she will be back.
Speedy is dead, again, cause we though she'd been shot dead, but she wasn't.
Hiro got his powers back, but not all the way. The baby, the one time Deus story device serving its purpose.
Dr. S got captured, just so he could escape with most of the group.
Ando learned he could attack with his power. He is now a Z Fighter like he's always wanted to be.
Micha, the annoying kid from the start of the show, is back and, he's now the best of all the heroes---which doesn't say much for everyone else and can only help to push Claire, the other teeny out the window untill she's had enough time to mature or die.
Peter's mom got away....


Ok, from this point on the show has started for me. It took all this time to get here, which is really now the distant collected part TWO of S1. Really, think about it---not much that happened from S2 to now has really spilled over. Everything has been either killed off, erased, no longer applies or been brought back from the crap it turned into: Sylars bad story and Nathan being the silly-turned bad guy. All the extra characters are either gone, dead or no longer matter. Every stupid, out of place side story or manipulated strange plot (the eclipse, the virus, the undone futures) is now gone, with little or no mark to show for it. Except, for the heroes are now known...which makes sense since a BOMB did blow up over NY.

Really, this is S2 now for me.
This is it; if the show can't move on from here...I'm done; I've given them enough rope. If they hang themselves this time, I can only walk away.

Nnoooooo..... Tracy Strauss -- your so-called "Ice Girl" -- I am (and many, many others pretty are) convinced she's got that "big fat cut to BLACK"; she will not come back, she's Ssoooo Dead...
Now... Ali Larter, the actress, on the other hand? Oh yes, it's pretty much a GIVEN she'll return...
But as sole, surviving sister of the [seperated at birth] triplets... as Barbara.


No she was NOT shot dead.
She was shot IN THE FRAKKING SHOULDER area...
Gunshot wounds in shoulder -- actually Daphne's case: the outer-chest / shoulder-region -- are VERY SURVIVABLE.
They hurt do "like a mutha-f----r" but IN OF THEMSELVES... they ARE NOT LETHAL...
That's why there was a [forced/contrived and... I'm sorry to say it but... disingenuous] way for Matt to actually wind up in Building 26, a few episodes ago..

Now...
IF a wound -- like the one Daphne suffered -- is indeed left improperly treated or untreated for a protracted period of time [24 to 72 hours, or longer... depending on the overall strength of the victim's Immune System] then the victim may verly likely die from Spetic Shock...
The doctor saw and declared aloud that the wound had "gone Septic"...


Antibiotics -- why we NEED them...

Aren't you GLAD that you DIDN'T have to fight in a War BEFORE 1914?




Deus Ex Machina [literally from Latin: "The god in the Machine"]
If you're going to refer to a literary and theatric/dramtic plot-device... Please... pleeease... do so, correctly? I know this IS the Age of Vanishing Civilization... But still... Please?

And as for the baby being such?... Come on! Let's wait a bit and see, before we can rightly declare Matt Jr. as just that... No?



Regarding all that... hmmm......
For the most part...?
I REALLY AGREE with you!

To everyone who doesn't keep up with the finer points behind the scene's one major thing happened between episode 19 and 20. Bryan Fuller came back. He use to be with the show then he left now episode 20 was his first show back, so some hiccups between 19 and 20 was expected.

And as for Tracy, she is SOOO not dead! There is no way, NO WAY, they could bring micah back then kill pretty much the only person he know's on the whole show and leave a kid alone like that. There is just too good of a plot line to explore with Tracy.

And plus if they just keep switching clone Nikki/Jessica's with other look alikes, I think there would be a riot, lol.

So you're saying since he kinda related to her as a mother figure of sorts that there's no way they'd kill her off and leave him mother-figure-less?

Alright, just to point out. I know what Deus EX Machina means. ITs why I said it, and just cause I don't want to type the whole thing out like some people...doesn't say otherwise. So plz, think before you just assume things. Not everyone wants or feels the need to type with their dictionary at the ready. You might want to display your information as if we were going to look them up, I don't. I also don't have the time to change all the colors and faunts of my words...so, plz, as you said. PLZ.

You can tell Tracy really is not dead, how? She winked. The whole purpose for that scene is to show us she is still alive.

The baby does have a purpose. Linked to the Matt, the babys mother, and Daphnes death. For volumes now, Matt has been "searching" for a family due to what happened in the end of S1. That's part of the reason he was so attatched to the idea of Daphne. Now, even though Daphne is gone, Matt DOES have a family. He DOES have something he has been looking for, and it's actually real this time. Because of this, whoever thinks the baby "served its purpose" is far off from the truth.

So I guess you are counting on a T2 style ice melting and forming back together into a T-1000 (Tracy-1000 that is) glob of water, ice chips, blood, bones and brains then magically reforming into an alive person???

Yea, that will be awesome

The point of that scene was that some SFX guy figured out how to do something that looked cool and wanted to do it.

Now, back to answering the OP - At this point the show has pretty well established that they do not flow cliffhanger scenes from one episode smoothly into the next. I don't really like this, but it's done sometimes in comic books so I think they are going with that theme. The most glaring example was when HRG had Sylar and Elle in his sights, but the next episode started with them scrogging on the floor.

So the answer is, they intentionally create more drama in the cliffhanger scene to raise expectations (one might say they are misleading the viewers) and then continue with the somewhat more mundane plot the next episode.

I really didn't much see the point of puppetmaster being dropped off at all to be honest. What exactly did it add to this episode? Maybe more significant in the future, we'll have to wait and see.

I dont know how their going to do it, but the wink obviously showed she was not dead. "Looking cool" would be dumb if it showed that a person who was really dead could not have possibly been dead because they winked. Dead people dont wink, nuff said.

Besides... If you watch the commentary with Bryan Fuller on the episode on the NBC heroes homepage, he confirms she is not dead, and that it was specifically why they added the wink, so dont make assumptions

Also, he confirms that the Puppetmaster was supposed to have a scene at Building 26 where he said he was "tired of running" and fought back, which got cut.

If you are right about Tracy I will be seriously bummed. Not that I dislike her or anything, but that is a big stretch that will probably be explained as well as the eclipse.

I'm expecting them to show what actually happens this time, so explanation wont be as neccessary.

Fuller mentioned that he was aware of what people think though, which is why he said what I had in the spoiler above, so they probably have something in mind for explanations/etc.

Brian Fuller has talked about Tracy many times. He wants her to have a bigger and better storyline for Season 4, and he also talked about developing her power.

One reason why I was excited about Cold Snap was that we were going to see Tracy use her power in a different way. It's been talked about for a while now in interviews and stuff.

If developing a power that has been rarely seen at all is as bad as the eclipse, especially when seen through the eyes of Bryan Fuller, then you're going into this with the wrong thoughts and obviously have no faith in him. Fuller is going to do great things for Tracy (if you remember, he was a big part in developing Nikki in Season 1).

I completely agree with everything. I don't see the point of Sylar dropping Doyle off, but I assume we'll find out tonight. But for the OP to complain that much about a great episode is ridiculous. I do agree that I was wondering about episode 19's cliffhanger then about Danko shaving and (I'm assuming) Sylar leaving and causing the alarms to go off. Besides that, the entire episode was exciting.