Ben McKenzie stars as rookie patrol officer Ben Sherman in NBC's new drama series "Southland."

McKenzie was born and raised in Texas. Following his graduation from the University of Virginia, where he was a foreign affairs and economics major, he moved to New York to pursue acting.

While in New York McKenzie appeared off-Broadway in "Life is a Dream" at the Soho Rep. Additionally, he performed in numerous productions at the Williamstown Theatre Festival, including "Street Scene" and "The Blue Bird," and also at the University of Virginia in "Measure for Measure" and "Zoo Story." He later moved to Los Angeles where he landed the lead role on "The O.C."

Recently, audiences saw McKenzie star in the critically acclaimed independent ensemble drama "Junebug" which premiered at the Sundance Film Festival.

Most recently, McKenzie starred opposite Al Pacino in the thriller "88 Minutes," and received praise for his solo turn in the independent film "Johnny Got His Gun," based on a novel by Dalton Trumbo.

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From 2003-2007, Benjamin McKenzie set hearts a’flutter as Ryan Atwood on “The O.C..” Now, he’s starring as a rookie LAPD officer in producer John Wells’ April 9-premiering “Southland” — and getting recognized on the street.

“We’re shooting almost all of it on practical locations. About five or six days out of a seven or eight day schedule, we’re out in Hollywood or Downtown L.A., which is great for the look and feel of the show,” he says. Fans have gathered at the location sites.

“Sometimes, they ask me, ‘Why are you dressed as a cop?’ You also get the people who actually think you are a cop,” Ben adds with a laugh. “I’ve had people come up and ask me for directions.” And? “Sometimes, I give them directions. Sometimes, I have to say, ‘Ma’am, or Sir, I really couldn’t tell you. I have no idea.’”


With his new role and maturity, no doubt there will be a shift in the fan base of the handsome actor who’s dated the likes of Zooey Deschanel, Emily VanCamp, and Rachel McAdams. He recognizes, “There won’t be as many teenage girls, probably, watching a cop show. We’ll see.

“‘Southland’ is an interesting mix, because the characters will have arcs — it’s not a procedural. The stories involve ongoing relationships in the characters’ personal and professional lives. I hope people who were fans of ‘The O.C.’ embrace this show as well. Some — many — will watch it, I think. The ones that haven’t been as engaged in cop shows might be drawn to this one. It’s similar to ‘ER’ in that it’s a show that revolves around a certain profession, but it’s about these characters as people.”

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Can't wait to see Ben McKenzie back on tv each week! Hope this series does well right from the start and we get more than the scheduled 7 episodes!

^I hope so too. The promos had me all excited for this show and Ben's storyline seems very interesting.

Have seen casting spoilers for Ben's family, so hoping he has a good personal storyline as well as being the rookie cop!

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Do you guys know if Ben was at the ER finale party? I know some of the Southland cast were there.

I haven't seen Ben in any of the clips of the ER party so far. I did see Tom Everett Scott, but he was there as part of the ER cast (2002-2003) not as part of the Southland cast. But I am on a few Ben Mckenzie sites, so if I see any pics of him or anyone else I will let you know.

Ben Mckenzie on The Ellen DeGeneres Show to promote Southland


Ben will be appearing on The Ellen Show on Thursday, April 2.

From the show’s website:

BEN MCKENZIE (“Southland”): He was the dreamy one on “The O.C.”! Actually, that may not narrow it down, but I do know he’s handsome. Now he’s starring as a rookie cop on the new series “Southland”… from the creators of “ER”! And he’s such a gentleman! Last time he was here, he brought me some homemade guacamole! (I’ve got my fingers crossed that tortilla chips are next!) He also told about the abandoned pit bull named Oscar that he adopted — and I can’t wait to get an update!

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love ben mckenzie! I'm glad he's got a great role and hope the show goes well Seen him on Ellen today.. their interview was too short! Can't wait for the show to start, it looks like it might actually be worth watching

Just finished watching the pilot on line. Looks real good. I think Ben is an extremely talented, yet so far, unappreciated actor. Maybe a quality show like this will showcase his talent and make him a superstar. He is just as handsome and talented as Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise.

ITA, I would take Ben over Brad or Tom anyday. He does a great job in this pilot episode. I think viewers will be pulling for Officer Sherman to make it as a cop right from the start!

I'll chime in that Ben does an amazing job. Two years away from the small screen is... two years too long. With a minimum of words, he makes the maximum impact. From the thinly-veiled naivete and wide-eyed demeanor to the rather fierce determination to withstand whatever his training officer- and others- threw his way, he was spot on. Because of his probationary, newbie status, he has to be in "watch and learn," and "speak when spoken to" mode. Somehow, he says far more with expressions and body language than any quantity of words could convey. While observing and reacting, he manages to be the most compelling person on screen- downright mesmerizing at times. It's about far more than what his character is doing or seeing. Ben takes the viewer right into his head and heart to glimpse and share what he is thinking and feeling.

That moment of realization following the shooting, when he's alone in the midst of all the mayhem, is riveting. During the whole aftermath at the crime scene, Ben walks us through an unexpected, surreal, unwelcome rite of passage as each consequence unfolds.

He lets the raw, honest emotion come through too, whether he's admitting the value he places on a life- no matter what the seasoned veteran judging him might think- or when he's connecting with the young girl in the hospital waiting room. That exchange is so gentle, but still powerful. Ben really has his character bond with the girl and identify with her in a way he hasn't with anyone else all day because of the book and a shared experience. What could be dismissed as small talk becomes much more.

Hats off to Ben for such an engaging portrayal. He's made me care and has me invested.
He's definitely earned an engraved invitation for a standing weekly appearance.

I just watched the pilot of Southland, and I generally liked it, though I'm not sure yet if I'll keep watching. Watching the show, I was surprised to discover that it was much more of an ensemble cast than the ads had lead me to believe. I found Ben McKenzie as Ben Sherman to be a charismatic and complex character. But I found myself much less interested in the other characters and their stories. If I continue to watch, it will be to learn more about Ben Sherman. I only hope the show doesn't weigh down his character and story with unrelated and less compelling narratives.

I hope the other characters recieve more depth, the way that each of the characters on LOST got their own back story, while the drama mostly revolved around the relationship between Jack, Sawyer, and Lock. Just as long as we don't get one of those shows where you miss and episode and your out. LOST and Rescue Me are two of my favorites that I end up giving up on because I fall behind.

ITA agree with everything you have said upandover! And I couldn't have said it any better, great post!
With all the interviews Ben has been doing this week, we all know he is well educated and quite an accomplished speaker, so the fact that Ben has to play a mostly silent rookie in the premier episode, and does it so well, conveying so many emotions with body language and facial expressions, makes it even more obvious what a great actor he is! That being said, I can't wait until he does have more lines in upcoming episodes! Hope there are many more episodes to come! Great show NBC...good luck Southland!

I think they should focus more on Ben also. It was nice to see the other police officers too, but liked the Ben Sherman part better.

Well I am a Ben fanatic, so of course more air time for Ben's storyline is fine with me! However, I think in order to capture the largest audience possible, fleshing out the other characters is very important. People watch shows for different reasons and different characters, so the large cast is a way to attract as many viewers as they can. As long as they keep Ben's storyline frontburner, then it's ok with me to delve more deeply into the other cast members, that way it's win/win for everyone!
John Wells style of television is to encompass many characters and storylines. And since I really want this show to succeed, I am willing to invest some of my viewing time to learning about the other characters on the show.

I like the ensemble, the cast is amazing and very well put together. If it focuses more on Ben Sherman and no one elses insecurities or at home problems like real cops and detectives have to deal with,once they introduce the different characters and their own struggles it shows the reality of it all, because cops dont only have struggles during "work time" you never know whats going on behind closed doors. I think the show is going to unfold like that and if it does i see it going for a long time just like ER.

Ben's reviews have been really good so far. He's a great actor and I'm glad a larger audience is getting to see him in action!

I definitely agree with your sentiments about Ben, ILB, both in this most recent post and the previous ones as well. As you noted, striking a balance and juggling character development is important, and a tall order. It's impossible to please all viewers in any audience- or even a majority. With a rather large cast, either some will have to have more primary roles, or storylines will have to intersect consistently.

While the rational part of me understands the meaning of "ensemble," I'll also echo Kobin and Elochai in saying that, while each piece is a necessary and significant part of the whole, that I know my focus will be on Ben (Sherman and McKenzie- this could get confusing). Admittedly, I was drawn to the show to begin with because of Ben (McKenzie), but the pilot reinforced and cemented that motivation. Certainly, I was engaged during the entire episode, but for a number of reasons, I found myself paying closer attention to, and caring more about some characters than others. There are degrees of interest, and while I may be interested in all the characters and how they fit and interact, I'm most invested in Ben. His is the story- and history- I want to learn about most within the larger context (with Michael's/John's and Regina's/Lydia's secondary). With only 6 episodes definitely remaining (at this point, anyway), I (selfishly) really hope the writers explore that. The pilot made brief introductions, but raised so many questions. When it comes to Ben, I'm really eager to discover some of the answers.

Thank you, also, for your kind words in response to my own earlier thoughts and observations. I'm glad you share those opinions as this particular ride gets started.

I'm beginning to like Ben too !

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Ben McKenzie is a great actor..
..not to mention incredibly cute!

[that's just a plus]

Loved learning a little about Ben's past last night. We know there is much more to his story, can't wait to see it unfold! Maybe we will see his family soon.
Great episode, can't wait for next week!

I liked the pilot but episode 2 was a bore. I admit, the only reason I watch is because of Ben McKenzie. If the writers and producers are smart, they will focus new episodes more on his character and exploit his true acting ability. What drove viewers wild and got them hooked on the OC was his ability to express his feelings without ever saying a word. To me, this is what makes him such a fine actor. NBC has a gem in Ben and I hope they don't blow it.

Just saw tonites show "See The Woman" he was outstanding many times in specific s/l's but at the end with his father being there, just after telling Cooper about him, the dead stop and an military about face and walked out of the 5 star restaurant what will power. Real true cop grit & guts! Kudos

As ILB said, it was great in Mozambique to have the hints to both Cooper and Chickie- however measured, general, and evasive- about Ben's family and past. Of course, as with those characters, it only served to whet the appetite for more. Tonight, Ben elaborated somewhat, but certainly was holding back and setting limits, whether while paying lip service for the therapist, or grudgingly relenting to Cooper's prodding. It had seemed as if Ben's training officer/partner might be backing off at the retirement party, but that wasn't the case, apparently. With just the glimpse of Ben's father, now I'm really eager to have the writers explore what appears to be a very unsettling and painful relationship for Ben. Details, details...



Like you, horswman, I felt there were times when last week's episode dragged when it came to some of the scenes involving the baby plot. It wasn't that scenes were unnecessary, exactly, but several just seemed to linger and were drawn out. Part of me may have felt that way because I started watching- and watch- for Ben McKenzie and his character Ben. The others that click for me, such as Cooper, Lydia and- to a lesser degree- Chickie, are a bonus. As I posted previously, the rational side of me recognizes that this is an ensemble and needs that whole cast engaged in order to work. The selfish hypocrite in me wants as much focus on Ben's character as possible because I find him so compelling. Last week, I found myself wanting more transition and follow up to the events from the pilot, especially with Ben's burgeoning relationships and interactions as he tried to find his place. This week, with the backstory and the evolving dynamic between Ben and Cooper, was right in my wheelhouse.

Ben McKenzie is certainly well-spoken and a very effective, standout ambassador for the show. That comes through during the promotional interviews without a doubt. So much of that intelligence and charisma comes across on the screen in his character as well- quite often without any words at all. As you observe, that's very rare in acting, which should be so much more than reciting lines. Ben doesn't just have the audience listening, he draws them in and really challenges them to watch and pay close attention. Don't blink indeed. I definitely hope that the writers and producers are aware of his talent and give him opportunities to shine.

Let's hope, first and foremost, that NBC gives Southland the chance it deserves and that Southland gives Ben (or both Bens) his as well.

Upandover....again ITA with all that you have written, we are definitely on the same page...all the stuff with the baby last week (Mozambique) was borderline tedious and uninterestng, but the Cooper/Ben dynamic is soooo intriging, I can't get enough.
This week in See the Woman, we did get some nice info on Ben's backstory, but also the impression that he has yet to reveal all about the incident when his mom was beaten, as well as the relationship with his dad. I can't wait to get more airtime on those particular storylines! I am afraid though, that the remaining time (only 4 more episodes) will not be enough for the viewers to get to the real story of Ben's past! NBC has GOT to pick this show up for a full season. Wonder how long they will leave us hanging before they (NBC) let us know if they have ordered more seasons......

I'm more than happy to share a page, ILB. It's good to know someone else senses some of the same things and has some similar thoughts.

Honestly, I like the changes in pace so that the show isn't mainly focused on the job and what relates only to the characters' professional roles. Slowing things down and introducing the personal so that it is character driven is essential. Backstory is critical and uncovering the layers within the person and personality are musts. That wasn't the issue last week, when we only had bits of backstory and little follow through to what was started in the pilot. What bothered me in Mozambique was that I found myself clock watching and trying too hard to stay interested for a variety of reasons while clamoring for what had hooked me previously. I wasn't very invested in the story despite being invested in Lydia, so I guess I was longing for more balance between that plot and Ben's introduction, along with a continuation of the dynamic between Ben and Cooper. Had there been more attention paid to their relationship in transition, as was the case this week, I would have been riveted to the screen so I didn't miss a detail.

As you say, their interplay and interactions are intriguing. They draw me in immediately and make me pay attention. It was great to see some of the very realistic and gradual changes. Ben is relaxing- slightly- but still very aware of his station as he watches and learns. He hasn't stopped being the keen observer who knows he's under scrutiny, and he hasn't stopped scrutinizing Cooper since the outset. That surveillance never ceases. Cooper just hasn't been so aware of it since he's the teacher calling the shots. He's been watching and evaluating Ben's performance while Ben has been studying him and filing it all silently away. It's interesting to witness that in the midst of the other action.

Even though they may be striking opposites with age, social standing and experience between them, as they learn from and about one another, they find some common ground to build on. That had to be a surprise to the senior officer, who has no idea what makes Ben tick (much to his frustration), but still pushes his buttons and tries to write him off with various sarcastic comments and jibes. Cooper finally goes on a fishing expedition and poses direct questions to Ben, who is still very guarded and unsure of his standing, as well as Cooper's motives. Ben proves himself to be the master of the redirect and rather shrewd with dispensing any revealing personal info. He plays it close to the vest and draws Cooper out instead. He may be younger, but he's holding his own.

With the hints we get from both of them about their lives, the question becomes how much more is forthcoming, and who or what the source will be. Ben definitely has walls up and is protecting himself. Cooper is able to trust Ben more than the reverse. He's in a better position and it's in Ben's best interest to keep the confidence- not that he'd have anyone to tell. It's not clear if Ben has anyone he can trust, and he's wary of Cooper, only trying to placate him for some peace. When it comes to Ben, it's pretty clear that so much is painfully unsettled when it comes to his father. It's actually easier for him to relive a childhood trauma than broach the subject of Ben, Sr. There has to be a lot there to unearth and sort through for Ben. It was obvious when he was with the therapist that he hasn't begun to deal with it, or something- or someone- keeps fueling the fire.

With the format of the show to date, 4 more episodes certainly won't do more than scratch the surface with Ben's backstory. We've only just met his father and had only a few brief references to him. His half-sister has only made an appearance and Ben's only dropped vague hints about his mother. The cast was at the NBC Universal Summer Press Day event yesterday. I'm hoping that's a positive sign from the network and that it bodes well for a guaranteed full season in the fall. Right now, it's sweeps, so who knows how important the numbers are in the equation. I'm definitely with you. I want more- and in writing. ; )

In terms of "just scratching the surface" with Ben's character, after rewatching this episode, a few more things struck me. We have the references and brief intros to both Ben's half-sister and Ben's father. In terms of Ben, Sr., it's pretty clear from Ben's cryptic, evasive, minimal facts- both to the therapist and to Cooper- that he only placates with a sense of resignation, is very uncomfortable with the topic of his father, and parcels out very limited and general information quite carefully. It's more about what he doesn't say than what he actually says. His abrupt ending to the therapy session and his curt, protective "end of story" to Cooper both speak volumes. He seems almost desperate to keep control and prevent anyone from delving too deeply. That makes me really wish we'd been able to witness some of the earlier exchanges with the first therapist to compare and contrast. It also makes me truly hope that we'll explore far more in terms of past and present with Ben's relationship and dynamic with his father- for starters. That's far too important and compelling a connection- or disconnect- to ignore and gloss over. This one should be all about the details and how they affect Ben and his interactions with the people in his life, including Cooper, since he seems bent on discovery for whatever reasons.

Although we did see how several of the veteran cops responded to Ben after the shooting, suddenly noticing and going out of their way to recognize and include him, we didn't see anything about the so-called "Burn Squad" exchanges and how Ben coped with that process. I wish we'd had at least a glimpse of that. Now we only know that Ben is both unsettled by the shooting, and the reactions of people who may have never been put in his position- certainly not so early. We'll never know if the internal investigation and review factored in that or what was involved.

I agree that there's probably a lot more going on between Ben and his father than he has said so far. While his anger about the incident with the crooks at the house is understandable, his behavior towards his father suggests that the guy wasn't repentant at the time or possibly for some time afterward. Indeed, he may never have made an apology or expressed genuine guilt.

Clearly Ben hasn't forgiven, and this is well-known. His half-sister appeared to have higher hopes for he meeting than were fulfilled.

This is really great, because it provides something to drive Ben. As Cooper has noted, Ben is not from the kind of background that generally produces cops. So this helps explain the anomaly that is Ben.

Still, it would have been nice to see him tell his father that he shot and killed someone. That might forestall any more unannounced dinner appearances.

ITA there is definitely so much more to learn about Ben's past, his family and his childhood. Clearly in Ben's therapy session he was deverting the attention from himself and onto asking the therapist questions about herself, while you could tell from his body language that he was holding back alot. Loved the tidbits we got of Ben's sister(s) and his dad...lots to explore there, wish there was more time. Wondering how much is being edited out for time reasons, maybe episodes should be 90 minutes instead of 60!
Here is link to actress named to play his mom and when she will appear: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20090428/LA06398)
I believe this is a "legitimate" site...hope it's ok JD.

Obviously Ben is getting a little more comfortable in speaking with Cooper, while maintaining the knowledge that he still has alot to learn.

Also seems like NBC is flipping the air dates for episode 4 and 5, so tomorrow will not be the gang episode shown in previews....hopefully we will get more Ben/Cooper airtime in this episode, as the "Gang.." previews showed more of the detectives. I think they must be doing some re-writes and editing to maintain continuity when showing episodes out of order...we will have to wait and see. Wondering if all the awesome reviews of Ben and Cooper have prompted the changing of the schedule.
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch.asp...p;view=listings

The very superficial, almost drive-by therapy session definitely raised more questions than it answered. One can only speculate if Ben was disappointed that Dr. Breslow(?)- and I think that was the name used for the first therapist- had suddenly pulled a vanishing act. We only had a hint at what their rapport might have been at Dewey's "retirement" party. One can also only speculate if Ben welcomed the opportunity to take advantage of the new therapy's 2nd day status and obvious inexperience. She seemed all too willing for him to turn the tables, dictate the tone and call the shots. Then, he could hide behind the badge, wear a blatant facade, and make a quick escape. While she certainly didn't do him any favors, she seemed relieved not to do more than go through the motions. Maybe she sensed that anything more would be an exercise in futility, but that's also a testament to just how troubled Ben is by the unresolved issues of both the shooting, and at least the one known childhood incident that was so traumatic.

As you note, Psionycx, this lays some foundation in terms of Ben's motivations, but it has to be only the tip of the iceberg. Without follow up, hopefully immediately, while the subject and interest is most heightened and fresh, we can't begin to speculate on what the state of Ben's family life was like leading up to events of that one night. We can't know how or when all was set in motion and what Ben's father did- or didn't do- in the aftermath and how he may have reinforced his patterns of behavior over time. Since more than a decade has passed since the beatings, that must only be one piece- however integral- of the sordid and complex puzzle. As the adult and parent, it would have been Ben, Sr.'s responsibility to act as such. Apparently, that wasn't the case.

Like you, ILB, and as I already posted, I really did enjoy the "little tidbits" of backstory we received, both in the workplace setting and in the glimpse into Ben's personal/family life. Still, I'd have to say I'm wary about the writing in terms of development and follow through after there was nothing involving I.A., the "Burn Squad," or earlier therapy sessions. It seems Ben has no confidants- that we've met- as he's quite an enigma who may not really "fit" anywhere at this point. Certainly, Cooper, with whom he has a limited, cautious comfort zone on the job, isn't alone in questioning his career choice, and if "Dude!" is any example (and this is someone who doesn't even know Ben, just barely by sight and name) of the people closer to his family, then he must be alienated from that orbit too.

Right now, I'm just hoping that we get backstory- and more in depth. The writing may be mirroring Ben's own approach of rationing information, but bringing in other characters involved will be the perfect way to reveal more through combined perspectives and interactions. We can't know the motivations, but I also hope that the switching of the episodes might be a response either to viewer interest or a way of reorganizing the upcoming episodes for more consistency and continuity without interruption. I guess tomorrow night will begin to answer that. 90 minutes would definitely come in handy- especially witih only a few remaining episodes guaranteed!

Anyone else really miss Ben last night? So much for anticipating more with his father and more of the classic dynamic with Cooper. Apparently, others noticed the void and not in a positive way. It was one of the first topics of discussion at work this morning (which should at least be an indication that the show has a following and one that's invested already), and was mentioned in multiple emails. I didn't even know my mother watched the show, but I guess she kept waiting for more of Ben and Cooper and their interactions (personal and professional). It seems that many were waiting more than they were watching. We were all disappointed at the end of the hour.

Despite choosing to introduce backstory for detectives, I'm not quite sure why there wasn't time for scene or two with the patrol officers, since they're such an integral part of the makeup and feel of the show. There's been time for the detectives in each episode. I guess we all got hooked on a good thing and really noticed when it was gone. I was surprised by how many people have been watching and felt strongly enough to put in their two cents. Good to know Ben, Cooper, & Co. have some vocal fans. Now, if we could just have the characters in every episode. That's worth watching.

I think that everyone really missed Ben, and Cooper, last night! It was like they just ripped the heart out of the show and the body was flopping around a bit before dying.

They should have, at the very least, used Cooper and Ben when Lydia went to go arrest the murderer. Indeed, based on past reactions I think that our boys would have been more sympathetic to Lydia's crusade. It would have been nice to hear Lydia and Cooper discuss the "politics" of the department (like the downtown tourist shooting spectacle). I just know Cooper would have had some choice words.

Ben would have been more taken with the idea of getting the murderer. You just know that he wouldn't have been as jaded and indifferent as the detective crowd was. I get that there is a difference between the patrol guys (making arrests) and the detectives (solving cases) but we've already seen the uniforms and the detectives working together previously and in this case I think that Ben being involved in particular could have led to some good interactions with Lydia, as would Chickie and Cooper.

But also I think McKenzie manages to put a nice range of emotions on his character and I like to see that. A lot of the others seem to have one emotion apiece.

Honestly, I had noticed some positive buzz in passing last week, but the lack of Ben and Cooper (too), seemed to have struck a nerve in a number of circles. I guess I should be assured so many are watching, notice and care. I have to say that your description and analogy are graphic, but good!

As you say, I also noticed that there were opportunities to have Ben and Cooper cross paths with the detectives. That got my attention during the show, and I was all the more disappointed when it didn't happen. We haven't seen much interaction between the two groups and I'd like to see Ben and Cooper with Lydia occasionally, since all are very good actors and each character would complement the other. Putting them together when there's a chance would be a great way to teach us more about each of them, while also showing the differences in age, experience, background, and other defining qualities. I think we already know that they're all decent and share a certain integrity and compassion. That's been clear in their connections with others. Maybe there was a conflict in filming that prevented it, but I'm sure that could have been adjusted.

Since both Ben McKenzie and Michael Cudlitz both have such strong presence and a real charisma on the screen, I think that made their absence all the more obvious. Even with very few words, the dynamic between them sizzles. I'm not sure that the writers and producers understand how amazing and rare that is. When it comes to the layers of emotion, they excell, especially Ben McKenzie. He makes that an art form, so watching what could be a more mundane scene becomes something else entirely. It's not just about watching him, but feeling right along with him.

Heads up, NBC!

I watched the episode in shock at each commercial break that Ben hadn't appeared. I understand the time needed to flesh out the other characters, but we now have more tedious backstory on the detectives than the best part of the show, the uniformed officers, especially Ben of course. To just drop the momentum of last week's episode, and more specifically the last scene Cooper and Ben had together as they told each other at least part of their personal stories and then to get no follow up a week later.
Can only hope they knew what they were doing in switching the two episodes because there isn't much time left to get a strong viewer backing and ratings down by 14% is not the way we want to see this show heading.
NBC needs to recognize that the core of the show is Ben and Cooper and give them back their airtime. One of the things that makes this show stand out is that it is not just another detective show...can't even count how many of those there are out there now, we don't need another one.
Of course I will continue to watch the last 3 episodes, but won't rewatch this one and be grateful for Ben time on screen!

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It seems many of us agree. See the Woman heightened the emotion and reached some peaks with Ben and Cooper and Ben and his father. Even though it was quiet, there was real intensity between the partners, with one forthcoming and one giving in to some pressure, but still evasive. The very powerful scene between Ben and his father packed a solid punch, with Ben McKenzie really selling it so no words were necessary in the moment. However, the impact was so strong and the momentum so great, that it begged for some immediate attention in some form. But instead of building on that, there was a total vacuum that was extremely poorly timed.

Ben may have been our guide in the pilot because he, like us, would be seeing everything for the first time with a very different view from the seasoned cops. We were given hints of his backstory because he- and it- were compelling. None of that has changed. His perspective is still fresh and will be for quite a long time to come; and it's certainly unique, both because he's learning and because of how his background has shaped him. Even with only scant information about him, it's clear that Ben has a personal story that's anything but tedious. Nothing proves that more than how intrigued and baffled Cooper is by him. Ben has him curious enough to repeatedly attempt to get answers with his constant barrage of questions, and to go so far as to tell one of his own secrets- to a kid he barely knows. He can't figure him out and he can't let it go. He wants to know more- and so does the audience.

Much of the credit has to go to Ben McKenzie, because he brings so much subtle depth and dimension to the character. While watching him at any particular moment, there's no doubt that there's a lot going on, much being hidden, and small bits being carefully revealed, but controlled. Michael Cudlitz gives Cooper layers as well, which makes their dynamic so electric and very real. It's not that some backstory shouldn't be introduced for the detectives, it's more about prioritizing, pacing, and riding the wave that's been created while gradually incorporating more in time. Ben and Cooper were selected to have certain positions for a reason, logically because they would be engaging. They are. Providing the all-important follow through before digging too deeply and too broadly in other directions would seem to be the next step. It's what many viewers seemed to be expecting.

As you say, they're the core of the show, and it takes skilled actors, special characters and strong interactions to set a show apart. When the focus is solely on detectives (some of whom just don't have the same kind of charismatic personalities as a Ben) with far less compelling stories and dynamics, the result is flat and has a repetitive feel. There are plenty of those shows already, but this isn't one of them. Hopefully, there won't be another void like this. The anticipation of wondering how Ben would react to Cooper after their exchange and the surprise meeting with his father, made the disappointment of nothing hard to swallow. It was such a perfect building block.

ITA (again), unfortunately if history is anything to go by, we won't get that immediate follow up (ie, the next day on the patrol beat with Ben and Cooper) to Ben and Cooper revealing such intimate parts of their pasts to each other. Just like in the pilot the natural next episode would have involved all the IA interviews, Ben's first therapy sessions, Ben and Cooper discussing it more etc...and we didn't get that in episode 2, so I am thinking we will not get the satisfaction of follow up to that awesome Ben/Cooper scene.

That said, the news that we got picked up for another 13 episodes is too exciting for words. I know our ratings have slipped a bit, but I still think Southland is a fantastic show and just needs to find it's groove. Writers, producers etc need to focus on what is working on the show (and which characters) and concentrate on telling the stories the audience can get invested in and right now it's Cooper and Ben. So much rides on their stories being told, they are the best and brightest characters on the show and so easy to get attached to.

I did re-watch episode 4 "Sally in the Alley" again, even though I said I wouldn't. And just knowing ahead of time that Ben was not going to appear made it easier to handle. I even tried to pay more attention to the detectives stories...some were ok, some I still cannot warm up to and some just will not hold my interest. IF they ever decide to air another episode without Ben, NBC needs to put up a warning at the beginning of the episode! And although I found "Sally in the Alley" to be watchable the second time...when it was over, I felt I was still cheated out of the best actors and storylines of the show, I felt Southland wasn't quite Southland.

Since two episodes were already switched, ILB, I'd have to say I'm not expecting any immediate follow through to the scene between Ben and Cooper. It's certainly true that history isn't on our side with the writing. Everything doesn't have to be completely linear, but both the scene between Ben and Cooper, and the related glimpse of one between Ben and his father were like lighting two fuses- and then the lack of anything afterwards was like dumping gallons of water over them. Nothing like just negating something so powerful and promising...

The same thing had already happened with the total absence of the IA process, which would have been fascinating, not just from a procedural POV, but for the impact on Ben and his psyche. Moving from seeing him in the hospital waiting room with the girl to facing the uncertainty of the review with trepidation (and everyone seems to dread IA) would have been a very significant and engaging transition to witness. And if Cooper has questions about Ben and his motivations, I'm sure he'd have something to offer- and ask- about the "Burn Squad." I guess we should be grateful that we had that split second of so-called therapy, not because it was a therapy session- since it wasn't- but because of the pyschological insights Ben provided with his avoidance, deflecting and false bravado.

I've very happy that NBC has decided to order at least another 13 episodes. Hopefully, with a little more security, they'll truly find the focus to prioritize and stay on track with what really works and resonates. Please? So far, two incredible opportunities for obvious exploration and immediate attention have been squandered, or at least overlooked for now. We're 0-2. Not such a great score. We can only hope that the writers will revisit and won't repeat the mistakes. It's such an intelligent show, that I hate to see it falling short of all it could deliver. Ben and Cooper are the best and brightest because of the acting and due to the energy, emotion and dymanic they create and bring. That's a precious commodity and a driving force.

I won't be watching Sally in the Ally again. Once was definitely enough! The final part of your closing sentence really sums it up. I felt cheated and shortchanged. Whatever had just aired wasn't "Southland," at least not for me. There had better not be another episode without Ben, but you may have something with a warning or disclaimer- only they'd better post it a week in advance. Ben and Cooper are integral and Ben is very much the catalyst in many ways, as we saw at the very outset. No Ben makes for a very hollow, forgettable show, and one that doesn't feel at all like the "Southland" that captivated so many viewers that first night.

Not to change the subject, but I just had to share the funniest thing I've heard today: when the website Pink Is The New Blog announced Southland was renewed for a second season a few days ago, it did so in an article titled "Ben McKenzie Has The Right To Remain HAWT"!

Also - loved seeing Ben throw down tonight.


"This is how we do it in Southland, (bleep)!"

I saw that too about being Hawt! so true. just watched tonight's episode "Two Gangs" and judging by the previews at the end for next week...looks like Ben's going to get some action off duty! Looks Hawt!!
Looking forward to next week's show, but sad that it's coming to an end so soon.
But loving it while it's here!!

Love to see Ben in action!

LOL! Oh The O.C. memories!

It was definitely to see Ben tonight after last week's absence. Yes, it could be a long summer in that respect!

I liked the potential of the "garbage calls," but I was kind of disappointed that each one was so brief, and that there wasn't more interaction between Ben and Cooper as a result. I was resigned to the fact that there wasn't going to be a scene set closely after the exchange in the parking lot, but suddenly we see them with a much more relaxed banter and Cooper even asking Ben what he "wants to talk about," with the implication that they may be shooting the breeze for the duration of their shift- in between the garbage. They certainly weren't at that point the last time we observed them working, with Cooper bent on pulling some answers- or at least one- out of Ben as if he were pulling teeth. It was basically relentless and pretty tense.

Tonight, there was much more of a comfort zone and Cooper was clearly still the training officer, but Ben was more relaxed in his presence and more involved, even in little ways. We've missed out on watching this transition and seeing this relationship and characters develop. It seems that Ben has taken some pretty major steps forward in terms of progress and Cooper is more accepting, and even starting to rely on Ben, as in the "throwdown" of the lovely "Dennis" in tattoo land. I would have loved to have watched some of this happen instead of what we've had on screen instead.

I did love that they could blend in some touches of humor along with the more mundane aspects of the job, and that it's all a learning experience for Ben. "Garbage calls" or not, they're more firsts. Some of the balance of power has shifted with Ben coming to Cooper's aid as any dependable, committed partner would. With youth comes a certain quickness and strength that is an advantage, and Cooper will have to acknowledge that they have to be more equals despite their roles. Still, it's hard to know whether to see Cooper's dismissal of Ben's hand when he offered assistance as anything but something unnecessary, a show of pride, or reminding him of certain boundaries. It's also hard to determine exactly what the question about where Ben learned that particular move, which again surprised Cooper, was meant to imply. Has Cooper given up on the Beverly Hills badgering, or is it more good-natured now? Ben seemed to take the safe tactic and went for the short answer. It's anyone's guess if he was simply being serious, or if he was challenging his superior to take his best shot. If we'd seen more of their dynamic in different situations since the revelations in the parking lot, we'd have a lot more to go on.

I did enjoy seeing Ben again and watching him more at ease in uniform and in his interactions. It made me realize exactly what was missing last week. I still can't help wondering what has happened in between where we left off and this week. There seemed to be quite a few gaps with the comfort zone, the self-confidence, and the way that Cooper seems to perceive Ben and how they relate to one another. I guess I'm greedy, since I want to know what was missing.

Bottom line? Welcome back, Ben. You were missed. Now, if only the writers could get a handle on continuity and balance, maybe we'd get some questions answered in the two remaining weeks.

It was great to have Ben and Cooper back, and in an odd way the angry bear should be grateful for Ben's summer camp skills. Most cops would have just clubbed him with a nightstick. Stupid goon calls the cops for something that is more lawsuit-worthy than being a crime, and ends up assaulting an officer, which is probably going to put him behind bars with that "Dennis" tattoo on his back. Maybe not the best strategy.

This was, sadly, another missed opportunity for some dialogue between Ben and Cooper though. It seems like they're more at ease working together now, and even have a tentative friendship forming. But the last we saw Ben was his encounter with his father and I would have liked to have seen some follow-up dialogue on that. Especially since Cooper's father is criminal scum I could see Ben looking to talk to Cooper as it carries less exposure of vulnerability. It's easier to commiserate about a bad parent with someone who also has one.

I'm pretty impressed with Ben so far. I had only seen bits and pieces of his work on the O.C. (my niece watched the show) and wondered how he'd do in this role. I think he's stepped into it nicely. He and Cooper seem to be the characters I have the most interest in thus far. I like the detectives, Nate and Sammy (don't care for his stupid wife and could do without any of that) but Ben and John are really why I have been tuning in. I was very disappointed that they didn't appear at all in SITA and this week's still featured far too little of them. As I said in the main thread, they need to find a better balance. One that includes Cooper and Sherman in every episode. I'm really more interested in the uniform cops than the detectives at this point.

I am glad to hear that it got an order for 13 episodes. I hope this show sticks around long enough for them to find a comfortable footing and are able to gain loyal viewers.

I find myself wishing Jay Leno bombs. lol.