Oh that would definitely be a game changer, but how is she gonna kick butt with a bun in the oven. That's just no fun.

She could still handle a weapon - AND be cranky!

I have actually be DYING in wait for this exact scenario. It would be very Neo in The Matrix ("I know Kung Fu"), but makes absolute sense. We know from vs. the Dream Job that Chuck can actually access information on demand, and it seems silly to think that there wouldn't be information in the Intersect on different fighting styles of the various baddies the CIA/NSA has encountered (X Bad Guy is a karate master, W Bad Guy uses jujitsu, etc.), with a breakdown of the moves they favor, allowing Chuck to defend against them, especially when he has the Fulcrum Intersect in his head as well, so he would certainly have access to all their training information on all their agents, and any special techniques they've developed.

It's going to be a long, lonely spring and summer after this episode....

Not if NBC runs Season 2 again (uninterrupted ) to try and get more people watching, that is of course assuming that they renew it. But of course they are.

True but I prefer hand to hand combat. Any idiot can shoot a gun but a bad*** beats people down without one.

And Alias did the cranky pregnant spy thing and it was a little too ridiculously corny for me.



I like this idea. That would be awesome and very Matrix-ish, which I just watched on TNT.

I really don't think I would like this so much because it really makes him less human and more of an all powerful and omnipitant person and you can't do anything with that as proven by the matrix which failed on the 2nd and 3rd movies. If it did happen I would want it to be something he couldn't control but just activate on it's own when his life or a loved ones life is in real and immediate danger (kind of an emotional trigger).

Sorry but our friendly neighborhood Spiderman has the patent on that, its called Spider sense.

yeah but i don't mean just a warning signal i mean actually knowing how to fight and do spy moves. If he gained those abilities I would want it to be under extreme situations.

I think besides the initial suspension of belief with the intersect in Chuck's head scenario, the writers are trying to keep the show rooted in reality.

I have a feeling that the heart to heart of Chuck and Sarah takes place on the beach in the sand just like at the end of the pilot where she asks him to trust her, it would be returning full circle to the beginning of the show.

We'll see what happens in this episode. Not sure there will be enough time for Chuck+Sarah dynamic simply because the synopsis indicates it will be action-packed.

As for trust, I thought in vs the First Kill, Chuck told Sarah twice he trusted her, and Sarah ran off with him at the end of that episode to keep him from becoming bunkered.

I think this episode will be Chuck defeating Fulcrum and saving his sister's wedding. Sarah and Casey may not even figure majorly in the action sequences of this episode...after all, the show is called Chuck, right?

Here's hoping Chuck will finally get a break and at least get Sarah to agree to a "real" relationship with him.

i'm gonna take a guess and say by chuck saving Ellie's life, "the ring" is her wedding ring and Roark has done something to it (poison, bomb, w/e) to kill her, therefore making their dad's life a living hell. *hoping i'm wrong*

One thing I have thought about as the possible game changer, could be that while the intersect information is out of his head. He could still use the "intersect computer" in his head. Remember in the Dream Job episode he figured out the combination to the door, and that information wasn't in his head. Maybe he can now use the computer that has been put in his head as a tool on missions. It would still make him useful to the CIA and NSA and would be a reason to keep him teamed up with Sarah and Casey. Any thoughts on this?

That sounds like a great idea, that would be awesome if that was to really happen

Oh that would be so sweet! I can totally see that scene now; perhaps right after the wedding, or before, when they are in their formal attire... Sarah Walker gorgeous as usual, strands of hair blowing in the wind and Chuck looking more like Charles Carmichael, a more confident and even more lovable version of the man that sat in the sand a couple years before.....mmm... ahhh Them returning to the beach after pretty much two years would be such a defining moment for the season finale, especially since the last time they were there, niether of them knew that within two years they'd become inseperable (albeit more by force than love at first). Ok ...waking up now

Keep going. Good stuff :-D

The only "sad" thing is it may feel too much like closure for me. It's almost like that puts the button on the show, closing the loop.

Of course, you could always have Casey come descending in his new Crown Vic converted HoverJet (james bond meets back to the future) on the shore and interrupt the final moment, as he yells at them to get going, because it turns out Beckman is an undercover Fulcrum after all, and have been using Team Bartowski to secure the Intersect 2.0 for her own operations and have basically been using them all along to take down a rival Fulcrum group...

That would be a nice setup for Season 3...

Or Bryce Larkin sending him yet another mysterious email. But then I think Chuck would know to be suspicious.

My take on that was that the Intersect contained a lot more information in it than previously believed and before it would only flash on occasional things that might trigger it at the time but when Chuck learned how to use it he could get it to flash on codes and passwords and other information (like sarah walker's childhood, and sarah walker's teen years, and sarah walker's recruitment, and sarah walker's first assignment.... and... well... pretty much sarah walker )

I had thought about that also, but passwords wouldn't be in the intersect. Passwords are change every few months for security reasons. I know in the army we HAVE to change passwords every few months. So it would have been impossible for that password to be in the intersect. Chuck has only had one update to the intersect since it was downloaded, not counting the fulcum upload. But the likelyhood of a password being in the intersect would be very small.

Although if I was chuck after his dad showed him how to use the intersect I would be constantly trying to get info on sarah. Not like we aren't all thinking about her all the time anyway..

Hmmm... truee... OH OH OHHH.... MAYBE..... MAYBE CHUCK HAS WIFI IN HIS HEAD NOW AND CONSTANTLY DOWNLOADS NEW INFO ..........no.... ok fine then... you try something then Hmphhh. And yeah, i would definately be searching for info on Sarah Walker . You know... in reference to the current missions of course...ahem... yeahhh... i would never abuse that power in any way to look up all the information about her they have.

You guys bring up a good point, I wonder if the last episode will finally discover Sarah Walker's real name , remember in the flash back to teen sarah when daddy was there i think chuck vs the cougars, anyway at then end when she runs to the woods to get the money daddy left a cia agent steps up and asks her how does the name Sarah Walker sound as though he was giving her a new identity. It should be interesting to see if Chuck does find that info out.


Side note, what if its horrible like Mildrid Beasley, no offense to the Mildrid Beasley's of the world.

Speaking of "callbacks" to the pilot (which I just had to watch again tonight since I'm IMPATIENTLY waiting for tomorrow night!!)... right before Chuck goes on his "date" with Sarah, Ellie says "Aces, Charles." and Chuck says "A Dad quote. I'm impressed."

Now we see the promo where PapaB says "Aces Charles" while working on Roark's intersect. So it's nice to see that they are tying things to the pilot. It gives the show a very cohesive feel.

Also, I agree that if there is a Charah moment on the beach at the very end of "Ring", it will feel so much like tying up the series for good. I just hope that it would immediately be followed by Bryce Larkin interrupting a kiss and asking them to come along on his mission to take down Fulcrum (or whatever the new villain will be for Season 3) as rogue agents (game changer?). Because, I don't care what the majority of the viewers feel about him, Bryce is a good guy and has been looking out for Chuck since Stanford. And if Sarah clearly chooses Chuck, they shouldn't have any problems working together (well, maybe they'll have some problems) but that will just make it more fun. Seriously, It would be a shame to totally lose Matthew Bomer from this series. He's absolutely perfect every moment on screen. And as Chuck gets better with becoming a "spy", we'll need someone to keep him at "nerd status" so the show retains it's humble heart.

I totally agree that Bryce is a good guy and has always looked out for Chuck and have been saying that for a long time but it seems like most people are bent on hating him. I personally like him in the show and would like to seem him from time to time but I don't want him to be a constant because then the show would become a constant love triangle. And no matter what you say about Bryce backing off Sarah is still his old flame and there will always be some tension there.

^^ Well, it's good to know that someone else likes Bryce. If I had to bet, I would say that JS & CF were thinking that they created too perfect a character in Bryce and were afraid that it would deter our rooting for Chuck. But, alas, never underestimate the power of the underdog!

However, I still think Bryce is very useful to the story. As I mentioned in my post, it's a great device to keep Chuck at the nerdy level as he gets more and more talented in the spy world. No matter what, he will never be as suave, as cool or as handsome if compared to Bryce. And damn, that Bomer kid's got talent and two of the prettiest peeps on TV! (Sorry, I'm a mother of three. I have to control myself. ) (note: I would pick Chuck over Bryce anyday, but we have to keep our hero humble, and this is a great way to do that occasionally.)

Look at my screen name, I spent 5 years trying to convince Harry Potter fans that Severus Snape was protecting Harry the whole time. JKRowling gave us all the proof in the books that we needed. On that same line, I think JS & CF have given us enough evidence to show Bryce taking care of his "only friend in the world" as he called Chuck in "Nemesis". I absolutely love watching that scene where Bryce and Sarah are fighting back to back in the BuyMore. Chuck said "They are great together." But we see Bryce through our hero's eyes and perspective which is skewed by his very biased feelings of the events that happened with Bryce. I do hope that they address that fact in the season finale with PapaB.

I agree with both of you - while I can certainly understand folks not being please when Bryce incoveniently pops up and ruins a potential romantic situation for Chara, he's not a bad person. And I too would pick Chuck over Bryce.

I'll do you all one better, and say that I think that despite her unpopularity here, Jill is also a good-guy character. I didn't detect any agenda in v. First Kill, other than to redeem herself.

I saw in another thread, Snapegirl, that you agree with me.

I would not be surprised to see both Jill and Bryce both back to help Chuck and Sarah. Um... I fully expect it in season 3 or 4 (says the ever-optimistic Bucko). Wouldn't mind seeing them partner up, either. [Insert appropriate emoticon here!] But that won't happen in v. The Ring, though.

The jury is still out on Jill for me. I'd like to think she's going to redeem herself, but I won't believe until I see it. The thing that struck me in TFK episode was how I felt so sorry for her family. It was sad to watch her have to live a lie for them because of her choices. They seemed to love her so much and were so proud of her. That had to have broken Jill's heart - I think if there were any catalyst to make her change it would be that. I guess she's sort of like Sarah in that sense - she's been kinda hardened because of her circumstances. Of course, that's where our hero Chuck comes into play - he's Mr. Ice Princess Breaker...

Entertainment Weekly, one of the approved major media spoiler sites says:
Included in the finale:
The return of Bryce (3/14)
The return of Jill in the season finale (1/25)
I suspect we're going to find out the allegiance of everyone.

Ziglord, thanks for blacking out the spoiler, this close to the show I want the surprise, now must not peek must use self control.

Ziglord,

Could you please post the links to the articles for your Entertainment Weekly spoilers? I also appreciate your use of the spoiler brackets.

Thank you.
JD

Not sure if this has been mentioned but they described this as the 'game changing' epsiode to lead into season 3 if there is a season 3. I've been tossing around ideas and the biggest change I could come up with was to kill either Chuck or Sarah off. I use the term "kill" loosely.

Let me explain,
Don't know if anyone has said this yet....

Initially the obvious choice would be Sarah while the devious choice would be Chuck.

Fake Chuck's death. He goes along with it to ensure that everyone is safe away from him. Including the woman he loves. She would be reassigned away from any danger Chuck is hiding from. While on the new mission or on the way to it she notices something wrong and starts putting the pieces together that Chuck is alive and goes after him. Cue Season 3.

On the other hand, if they did kill off Sarah, it would be a much worse way to go, as it would likely include deceiving Chuck, which would be very bad. Of course if he was "in on it" and "Sarah Walker" is killed and up pops "Jenny", that would be ok too but it doesn't quite lead into the new season as smoothly.

Just some thoughts on how this episode could tie into the Season 3.

As requested here are the links:

The Return of Bryce
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/ask-ausiello--1.html

Question: Anything new on Chuck? -- Laura
Ausiello: "This just in: Jordana Brewster's returning as Chuck's ex Jill in the season finale!"
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/01/ask-ausiello--2.html

I suppose it would have been courteous of me to add these in the first place. I'm still new to the message board medium. Thanks for understanding.

Ziglord

Thank you for posting those links. Unfortunately now I won't be able to sleep, eat, or think about anything else until the finale comes on.

By the way everyone who doesn't know you can now pre-order your copy of Chuck Season 2 on amazon.com.

As for devious game changing events in the finale, I stil can't get past what Roarke said "and you remember I was always good with the ladies." and Chuck's dad saying "the man who stole everything from me." I don't know if they'll put it in the finale or save it for the third season (which MUST happen), but I'm thinkin I know where mama bartowski went.

It could be as simple as he had her killed because the dad wouldn't comply.

I'm of two minds on that. My first thought is to agree with you, maybe she's one one of the Fulcrum elders, it could make her the first parent figure on the show who is truely diabolical. But, when dad mentioned Ellie looked like her mother it didn't seem to be with any bitterness or grief, so maybe not.
I'm still liking the idea she was his handler/protector but the data seems contradictory on what happened.

these boards are going to be very addicting very quickly. i believe bryce will be the shocking death because my friends and i have thought he would return by the finale for the season. i think everyone who says he is always protecting chuck is very right. maybe he will lay his life on the line for chuck by pulling a cole barker and taking a shot for chuck but it proves fatal. he will, in his last moments, reveal a very key piece of information that he discovered while being "deep" undercover. this will very possibly be the game changer for season three. i also think that bryce may tell chuck about some connection with all the omaha references.

I would love that but where is Casey???? without Casey is not the same i'm sorry, Casey is the glue of team imo, and plus he's freaking hilarious Just think all the nice things he will give us with Bryce in the mix too.....Oh man just imagine!

well he should be in the finale , but since he has a new show, it won't be that shoking that he will die. Either that or he will disappear for good , we will only know about him through references and mentioned in debreifings from his findings i guess. But i think he will die saving all of em, he's a misunderstood hero imo.

ide like to say that i actually think this thread will reach close to 100 pages seeing as vs. the colonel has 30 pages and yet to air. i think that will hit around 80 pages maybe too.

i agree bryce is misunderstood i think people assume he is rooster blocking chuck but in reality he had no clue chuck liked sarah until vs. the break up when he was with sarah and chuck brought a rose and awesome told bryce that its chuck that sarah is into.

Next week looks awesome!!! What do you think happens when Sarah yells? Was it Bryce?

Well, they've been building up the last several episodes as a possible series finale (chuck/sarah together, the marriage, intersect gone etc) just in case they do get canned

But again, hopefully they dont, one of the best shows currently on television

Somebody got a haircut!

sarah screaming dont shoot dont shoot in the promo has me scared. i know its the shocking death but i know it wont be sarah or chuck but i have a bad feeling it is

Wow did the clip for next weeks Chuck VS the ring look good or what. And the return of Bryce too.

Good catch ! Keeping fingers crossed

Omg the preview looks CRAZY when Sarah screamed at the very end I had chills

Bryce returning! Ellie being kidnapped! Chuck wanting to be a spy! Oh man, next week's episode's going to be off the hook!

Maybe its Bryce that dies. It would keep chuck feeling like 2nd place and probably play around with their relationship once he decides to press the button and put the intersect back in his head for season 3 :-)

the finale preview looks great but like i said sarah screaming like that dont shoot has got me really worried. and i think chuck doesnt have the intersect in for the start then roarke says hes gonna kill the bride papa b says you aint a spy dont go and some how chuck kicks arse to help save ellie

Fulcrum killed bryce?